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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:31 pm

martin_p wrote:Here’s you saying you’re wrong about everything. We can all play that game Wrongo, you’ve taken your swivel eyed lunacy to new levels today!
Is that one point to Ringo now!!

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:33 pm

martin_p wrote:Here’s you saying you’re wrong about everything. We can all play that game Wrongo, you’ve taken your swivel eyed lunacy to new levels today!
So despite your quotes being kosher and there for all to see on the other thread your reduced to trying to claim I'm making it up. :lol:

I've just won the Gala Bingo National Link £20,000 jackpot!

:lol:

Like I say Marty , like I correctly predicted with Bercow, you've been pivotal. ;)

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:49 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:So despite your quotes being kosher and there for all to see on the other thread your reduced to trying to claim I'm making it up. :lol:

I've just won the Gala Bingo National Link £20,000 jackpot!

:lol:

Like I say Marty , like I correctly predicted with Bercow, you've been pivotal. ;)
Well all the quotes are there apart from the one you made up, but keep lying Wrongo (everyone has at least one talent).

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by KateR » Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:54 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:For God's sake...THEIR!

for goodness sake get a life :)

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:56 pm

martin_p wrote:I assume you have some evidence of me saying that then. As you know Wrongo, evidence is everything!
First you say I've no evidence

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:00 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:First you say I've no evidence
Post #4205 is the one I asked for evidence for. You haven’t got it.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:00 pm

martin_p wrote:. You do know it's NOT Bercow that will define what the vote is don't you? He's just the the facilitator Wrongo
martin_p wrote:. He’s done exactly what I said he can do, DECIDE on which amendments to allow. If you can link where I’ve said otherwise then feel free .
martin_p wrote: No his role wasn’t pivotal. What has it changed? I asked you this once before and you didn’t answer. He acted within his remit, it’s his job to serve parliament not the government. And if you’re going to argue his role is pivotal then something has to ‘pivot’. .

Then I provide it.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:02 pm

martin_p wrote:Here’s you saying you’re wrong about everything. We can all play that game Wrongo, you’ve taken your swivel eyed lunacy to new levels today!
Then you claim I'm making it up!

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:03 pm

martin_p wrote:So you DON’T have a link then. Thought not.
Then you reckon you can't see the quotes I've linked!
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:04 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Then you reckon you can't see the quotes I've linked!
You don’t understand what a link is either then.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:04 pm

martin_p wrote:Well all the quotes ARE there apart from the one you made up, but keep lying Wrongo (everyone has at least one talent).
Then you admit the quotes are there!!!!!

I'm starting a new bingo card here Marty.

Where's me dabber!? :lol:
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by summitclaret » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:04 pm

Normally I would be appalled at such actions. However with tossers like Grieve around ot us hardly a surprise. If its going to be done now is the time.

I don't condone breaking the law but anything else is on and the HOC is to blame.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:05 pm

Eh? Is there a post I've missed Summit?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:09 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Then you admit the quotes are there!!!!!

I'm starting a new bingo card here Marty.

Where's me dabber!? :lol:
And you can’t read.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:26 pm

martin_p wrote:And you can’t read.
Let's summarise -

1 First you say I've no evidence

2 Then I provide it.

3 Then you claim I'm making it up!

4 Then you reckon you can't see the quotes I've linked!

5 Then you finally admit the quotes are there!!!!!

What a , full house providing, palaver you've had to put yourself through this morning Marty.

And all because of the fact that you simply can't bring yourself round to admitting that Bercows role has, just as I predicted, been pivotal!

You taken pig headed stubbornness to stratostophic new heights Marty! :lol:

If Carlsberg did obstinate...



Eyes down ladies and gentlemen........

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:30 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Let's summarise -

1 First you say I've no evidence

2 Then I provide it.

3 Then you claim I'm making it up!

4 Then you reckon you can't see the quotes I've linked!

5 Then you finally admit the quotes are there!!!!!

What a , full house providing, palaver you've had to put yourself through this morning Marty.

And all because of the fact that you simply can't bring yourself round to admitting that Bercows role has, just as I predicted, been pivotal!

You taken pig headed stubbornness to stratostophic new heights Marty! :lol:

If Carlsberg did obstinate.......
You can’t even accurately represent what has gone on over the last couple of hours, so the chances of you remembering things from last year are slim. By the way, you quoting your own post where you claim I’ve said something isn’t evidence I’ve said something.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by summitclaret » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:35 pm

summitclaret wrote:Normally I would be appalled at such actions. However with tossers like Grieve around ot us hardly a surprise. If its going to be done now is the time.

I don't condone breaking the law but anything else is on and the HOC is to blame.
Sorry for not quoting. It was in reply to post 4250.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:39 pm

Sorry for not quoting. It was in reply to post 4250.
I suspect they won't need to on the M20!
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:42 pm

Ringo McCartney October 2018- " Bercows role will be pivotal"

martin_p wrote: No his role wasn’t pivotal. What has it changed? I asked you this once before and you didn’t answer. He acted within his remit, it’s his job to serve parliament not the government. And if you’re going to argue his role is pivotal then something has to ‘pivot’. . .
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Tall Paul » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:46 pm

lol Ringo

Please, for the love of God, stop.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by KateR » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:48 pm

going to be interesting to say the least if the EU says "no you can't have an extension, you have to leave 29 March"

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:49 pm

Then Parliament have a decision to make.

One they have already voted on twice and rejected btw.

And i'm not talking about Mays deal.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:51 pm

None of the noises coming from the EU suggests they won’t grant an extension of some sort. I think the bigger question is will whatever the EU offer be acceptable to parliament.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:53 pm

Tall Paul wrote:lol Ringo

Please, for the love of God, stop.
2 to tango long fella ;)

I'm done for the day to be honest.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by android » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:54 pm

Martin would it really pain you that much to admit that Ringo was right about Bercow? It would be a lot more straightforward (and more honest frankly) than endlessly arguing over the precise form of words that you used to disagree with him way back when.

As for the bully boy Bercow himself, surely he has to go soon, whether he is successful in preventing Brexit or not. He has become like the referee who thinks the game is all about him. You can just imagine him sprinting half way across the pitch to theatrically brandish a red card -chest out, chin out - look at me! look at me! LOOK AT ME!!! Indulging his act was all very entertaining and funny up to a point but we are long past that point.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:01 pm

android wrote:Martin would it really pain you that much to admit that Ringo was right about Bercow? It would be a lot more straightforward (and more honest frankly) than endlessly arguing over the precise form of words that you used to disagree with him way back when.

As for the bully boy Bercow himself, surely he has to go soon, whether he is successful in preventing Brexit or not. He has become like the referee who thinks the game is all about him. You can just imagine him sprinting half way across the pitch to theatrically brandish a red card -chest out, chin out - look at me! look at me! LOOK AT ME!!! Indulging his act was all very entertaining and funny up to a point but we are long past that point.
So what, I should let him tell lies about what I said?

Bercow will not change the outcome of Brexit.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by android » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:39 pm

Oh well, it was worth a try.

Don't underestimate Johnny boy. His childish behaviour yesterday may not achieve much in the end but he has already wasted yet more time with this completely unnecessary 11th hour diversion. One thing is for sure, if a motion for a 2nd referendum comes around again (would be 3rd time I think) you don't need to worry about Bercow using some obscure 1604 incident to block it - Bercow will find a way of allowing that to be put - unless he thinks his side will lose of course!
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:31 pm

android wrote:Oh well, it was worth a try.

Don't underestimate Johnny boy. His childish behaviour yesterday may not achieve much in the end but he has already wasted yet more time with this completely unnecessary 11th hour diversion. One thing is for sure, if a motion for a 2nd referendum comes around again (would be 3rd time I think) you don't need to worry about Bercow using some obscure 1604 incident to block it - Bercow will find a way of allowing that to be put - unless he thinks his side will lose of course!
Back in October 2018, I also pointed out that Bercow had quietly announced, back in May 2018, that funds would be set aside for EU parliamentary elections in June 2019. I questioned why would that be necessary if we were leaving on 29th March 2019? I said it was adding to my growing suspicion that there was a well funded and organised political class and establishment plot to thwart democracy.

Aggi, I think it was, brushed it off as simply contingency planning...

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brex ... -dcgtlskl9" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by TheFamilyCat » Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:59 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Back in October 2018, I also pointed out that Bercow had quietly announced, back in May 2018, that funds would be set aside for EU parliamentary elections in June 2019. I questioned why would that be necessary if we were leaving on 29th March 2019? I said it was adding to my growing suspicion that there was a well funded and organised political class and establishment plot to thwart democracy.

Aggi, I think it was, brushed it off as simply contingency planning...

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brex ... -dcgtlskl9" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Or was it greenmile?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:03 pm

aggi wrote:I guess, as you say, it's different mindsets. In the mind of many, particularly younger people who've grown up in a global world, the nation state isn't the thing that binds us together.

Personally (and I'm not sure if I'd describe myself as the younger generation) I'm more likely to be out in the pub with someone from Budapest rather than Boston on a Friday night. A lot of my colleagues are European, a lot of my friends are; I view the mingling of cultures as a plus, not something to be afraid of.

I've spent a fair bit of time in Japan which is quite insular and I found it a bit weird, I'd prefer to be part of an inclusive rather exclusive society.
I get that. I enjoy the company of many friends who hail from different cultures too. That’s why I welcome the close relationships we have now with European people. Though nothing beats getting out with old, old friends where our jokes, interests and love of beer are similar.

I would point out though that mental health (especially in the young) is at an all time worst level. I suspect that this is not just better “coming out”, and better counting. I suspect that many young people feel insecure and scared (more than before). I work a lot with psychologists and psychiatrists who tend to share these views. I feel many of the reasons are the things I alluded too, about lessening of the old “comfort blankets” like family, community, village life and, yes, religion. I don’t see that the wealthier 2019 person is happier than the 1979 one. I’m sure I was happier in the 70s and 80s growing up than kids are today.

It’s a bit like the unrelated economic arguments for leaving the EU - if everything was rosy, there wouldn’t be a debate, but it isn’t. It’s only getting worse.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:08 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Or was it greenmile?
Irrelevant really. But Mystic McCartney may yet be proven to be the UTC message board soothsayer once again.

Putting funds to one side in May 2018, for elections that we are supposed to take no part in over a year ahead. Looked dodgy back then. It looks far less dubious following the pivotal actions in parliament of John Bercow. The very same Remoaner who actually announced the ring fencing would take place!


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brex ... -dcgtlskl9" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"John Bercow’s committee sets aside nearly £1m for post-Brexit EU election

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Erasmus » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:19 pm

Crosspool, I take your point about the decline in our sense of community but I don't think being in the EU has much to do with that or that leaving the EU will change it in any way. It comes from the rise in the culture of free market capitalism which bases its ideology on the individual as a consumer. The economic system will always shape the culture and our economic system leads inevitably to a growth in individualism.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Greenmile » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:46 pm

martin_p wrote:If you can get him to repeat that you can have a point!
I'll see what I can do, as long as I don't have to share my points with that imaginary nobhead Greenmile.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by keith1879 » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:47 pm

Even after blocking Ringo this thread is still horrific.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Greenmile » Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:48 pm

keith1879 wrote:Even after blocking Ringo this thread is still horrific.
Presumably it's only about three pages long, though.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by aggi » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:03 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:I get that. I enjoy the company of many friends who hail from different cultures too. That’s why I welcome the close relationships we have now with European people. Though nothing beats getting out with old, old friends where our jokes, interests and love of beer are similar.

I would point out though that mental health (especially in the young) is at an all time worst level. I suspect that this is not just better “coming out”, and better counting. I suspect that many young people feel insecure and scared (more than before). I work a lot with psychologists and psychiatrists who tend to share these views. I feel many of the reasons are the things I alluded too, about lessening of the old “comfort blankets” like family, community, village life and, yes, religion. I don’t see that the wealthier 2019 person is happier than the 1979 one. I’m sure I was happier in the 70s and 80s growing up than kids are today.

It’s a bit like the unrelated economic arguments for leaving the EU - if everything was rosy, there wouldn’t be a debate, but it isn’t. It’s only getting worse.
I don't think either of us are really qualified to comment on mental health, especially in young people. For instance there are large correlations between social media and mental health issues and social media isn't going to go away once we leave the EU.

My view is that staying in or leaving the EU isn't going to make a difference to things like family, community, village life and religion (in fact I suspect we'd probably lose more churches if immigration was cut, anecdotally immigrants appear to make up a disproportionate number of congregations). I'm not sure what things you think will change when we leave the EU to recover the things you listed.

It requires a concerted effort from the Government: investment outside London, in youth services, public transport, creating jobs, etc.

However, when you look at the "Northern Powerhouse" investment it's been pretty poor for instance. Same with the rowing back on electrifying a load of the railway lines. I would suspect (although it may just be that they were better at advertising) that EU grants went to more disaffected areas than future government grants.

Your post makes me think that you want to turn back time to a "better" time and part of that reset is going back to when we weren't in the EU. The trouble though is that the world has moved on, the cat's out the bag.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by aggi » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:05 pm

It's amazing how many things Ringo claims to have been right about without being able to provide any evidence. I can see why that "discussion" on evidence took so long now.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:30 pm

Your post makes me think that you want to turn back time to a "better" time and part of that reset is going back to when we weren't in the EU. The trouble though is that the world has moved on, the cat's out the bag.
Spot on. There is a reason support for Brexit gets higher the older you are, and this is it.

You can't turn back time for yourself so why try to for everybody else?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:54 pm

aggi wrote:It's amazing how many things Ringo claims to have been right about without being able to provide any evidence. I can see why that "discussion" on evidence took so long now.
"May 2016 - government via the treasury claims a Leave vote would lead to upto 820,000 extra joining the unemployment ranks." From the treasury's own website.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/brit ... ysis-shows" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This was claimed by Remoaners to be clear evidence that brexit would be disastrous for the UK

This is how Full Fact the independent charity, saw the evidence

Claim

"Before the EU referendum George Osborne claimed up to 820,000 jobs could be lost within two years if Britain chose to leave.

Conclusion

Correct. Mr Osborne did claim this. He was referring to Treasury analysis which said the worst case scenario following a leave vote could increase the number of unemployed people by 820,000."

https://fullfact.org/economy/whats-happ ... -leave-eu/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Today, we have record levels of employment. At the very point at which what was previously called EVIDENCE that a vote to Leave would be disastrous, claimed we'd have upto an extra 820,00!!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47622415" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


"UK employment at highest since 1971" BBC 19 March 2019


"“…a record number of Britons are now in work and more foreigners have jobs than before the referendum… Before the vote George Osborne claimed up to 820,000 jobs could be lost within two years if Britain chose to leave.”

Daily Mail,


When I've pointed out that the evidence turned out to be bare faced lies after they failed to materialise.

The glib response that tried to brush reality under the carpet was. "Er , that was never evidence or, promises. They were simply predictions . They were forecasts that have yet to come to fruition!

Question - when does evidence morph into forecasts or predictions?

Answer - when the passage of time shows them to be embarrassing lies.

Lies now being told again by the very same people and being gleefully swallowed by the very same gullible fools who , once again claim to have found new evidence that brexit will have a negative impact on the uk.

Question - when are forecasts assumption and predictions being claimed to be evidence that brexit will have a negative impact on the uk?

Answer - before the event has actually taken place.

Question - if we do Leave and history repeats itself and the evidence is shown to be lies again. What will the mugs who perpetuated and believed those lies call them?

Answer - they'll call them , forecasts and assumptions that simply haven't materialised. Or forecasts that have yet to come to fruition!

If, which is looking more likely , we don't actually leave. It means that certain Remoaners will claim to have had evidence for an event that never actually happened! :lol:

You really couldn't make it up!
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:02 pm

Point to aggi.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:09 pm

Ringo McCartney October 2018 - "Bercows role will be pivotal"

martin_p wrote: No his role wasn’t pivotal. What has it changed? I asked you this once before and you didn’t answer. He acted within his remit, it’s his job to serve parliament not the government. And if you’re going to argue his role is pivotal then something has to ‘pivot’. 



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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:12 pm

martin_p wrote:Point to aggi.
"Let's summarise -

1 First you say I've no evidence

2 Then I provide it.

3 Then you claim I'm making it up!

4 Then you reckon you can't see the quotes I've linked!

5 Then you finally admit the quotes are there!!!!!

What a , full house providing, palaver you've had to put yourself through this morning Marty.

And all because of the fact that you simply can't bring yourself round to admitting that Bercows role has, just as I predicted, been pivotal!

You taken pig headed stubbornness to stratostophic new heights Marty!  

If Carlsberg did obstinate......."




Martin_p - the mutton-headness that just keeps on a giving!

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:27 pm

That a total of 4 points for me in the last two posts.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:29 pm

Love this

Country on the verge of a No Deal disaster and Ringo is arguing that he's right (when he isn't) and being backed by another Brexiteer (for the only reason that he wants Brexit as well).

if that is post-Brexit UK, then we are so ****** its untrue.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by aggi » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:35 pm

martin_p wrote:Point to aggi.
I got an emoji, isn't that a bonus point?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:50 pm

aggi wrote:I got an emoji, isn't that a bonus point?
I think he edited that in, but yes, bonus point!

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Claret-On-A-T-Rex » Tue Mar 19, 2019 6:53 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:If he did his job properly he'd stop Theresa May from having Meaningful Vote 3 after her deal has been rejected by Parliament TWICE.
Oh look! That was me :)

I claim to be right about the things I AM RIGHT about!

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by South West Claret. » Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:31 pm

South West Claret. wrote:Brexitiers getting more desperate by the day see link :D

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-ne ... rKFM03epT8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Apparently this pathetic temporary inconvenience from this mob of Little Englanders will be replicated over a number of motorways so be prepared to alter your travel plans if need be.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Greenmile » Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:58 pm

What are the chances of these brexiters taking responsibility if any emergency service vehicles are delayed as a result of their little protest? Probably about the same as them accepting the blame for all the grief caused from their previous stupid decisions (ie it will all be the remoaners’ fault)
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by South West Claret. » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:08 pm

Greenmile wrote:What are the chances of these brexiters taking responsibility if any emergency service vehicles are delayed as a result of their little protest? Probably about the same as them accepting the blame for all the grief caused from their previous stupid decisions (ie it will all be the remoaners’ fault)
No doubt.

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