Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020

[aggi]

What are the chances of these brexiters taking responsibility if any emergency service vehicles are delayed as a result of their little protest? Probably about the same as them accepting the blame for all the grief caused from their previous stupid decisions (ie it will all be the remoaners’ fault)

Here's one I prepared earlier

https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/brexit- ... er-bridge/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Lancasterclaret]

That one in particular I don't understand.

Unless those particular yellow vests are unbelievably thick (possible but not that likely), surely they would know its all being filmed, and let emergency service vehicles through?

Thats a good look, rather than a bad look, and in the social media age, you'd think they would get that.

[Darthlaw]

i wonder if these remainers would be so concerned if they found out it was an elderly Leave voter inside the ambulance..?

Obviously when they shut the same bridge for their remain protest, no ambulances could have been affected, could they?

[South West Claret.]

Not a like for like coparrison so pretty irrelevant comparison.

[Lancasterclaret]

Now May gets the full "Downfall" treatment

https://www.captiongenerator.com/1330732/May-vs-Bercow" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Lancasterclaret]

Jeez Darthlaw, you genuinely don't know the difference?

Seriously?

One planned so everyone knows what routes are affected

One not, so no one knows.

Brexit is turning peoples brains into mush.

[Lancasterclaret]

Defending a yellow vest protest by absolute nutters for one reason and one reason only.

They want Brexit.

Just how far are you willing to back Brexit Darth?

Just how far?

[Darthlaw]

Not a like for like coparrison so pretty irrelevant comparison.

Fair point. Remain closed multiple bridges, rather than just the one. :

http://www.cityam.com/269263/major-dist ... -shut-down

[aggi]

i wonder if these remainers would be so concerned if they found out it was an elderly Leave voter inside the ambulance..?

Obviously when they shut the same bridge for their remain protest, no ambulances could have been affected, could they?

Have you just picked a random protest and pretended it's a remain protest? I mean, there's a big banner saying "Climate Emergency". Did you not wonder about that? The caption tells you who it was for the hard of thinking

[Darthlaw]

Your lot accept major disruption then show mock rage over a minor roadblock which breaks up on camera, albeit slowly, and is reported as ‘moving on’. I’ve seen that bridge have longer traffic jams.

You guys are laughable.

Go back to wishing your elders in to the grave so you can get your precious second referendum? Maybe there’s plenty of space to bury them on ‘your’ moral high ground?

[Lancasterclaret]

Jeez, I never even noticed that.

Still, lefty sandal wearers eh?

All count I guess

[Lancasterclaret]

Your lot accept major disruption then show mock rage over a minor roadblock which breaks up on camera, albeit slowly, and is reported as ‘moving on’. I’ve seen that bridge have longer traffic jams.

You guys are laughable.

Go back to wishing your elders in to the grave so you can get your precious second referendum? Maybe there’s plenty of space to bury them on ‘your’ moral high ground?

Oh boy, he's gone all in

Christ, Brexit really does turn people into absolute tools.

We are so ******.

[aggi]

Fair point. Remain closed multiple bridges, rather than just the one. :

http://www.cityam.com/269263/major-dist ... -shut-down

And now you've linked to a story saying who they are whilst calling them Remain. Is this all getting too much for you?

[South West Claret.]

Fair point. Remain closed multiple bridges, rather than just the one. :

http://www.cityam.com/269263/major-dist ... -shut-down

Yes and they also notified the authorities and services.

“The group has declared itself in "open rebellion" against the government, and said it had informed London police and emergency services of the roadblock on the bridges ahead of the event.”

[Darthlaw]

Oh boy, he's gone all in

Christ, Brexit really does turn people into absolute tools.

We are so ******.

So no denial, and still remainers claim the moral high ground, I notice. You guys are hilarious.

Never change. Lancaster, never change.

[Darthlaw]

Yes and they also notified the authorities and services.

I’m sure said services were delighted then. “Sure, it’ll only take us an hour to circumvent the blockages but you did tell us so....”

Just be honest for once and admit any protest would cause disruption, not just the Leave ones.

[Devils_Advocate]

Ringo's getting some stiff competition lately.....go Darthbrain!!

[Darthlaw]

And another one of Lancs lackeys arrives...

[South West Claret.]

Think about it DL there is a significant difference between a hold up on the motorway against a hold up in a very big city like London.

More hospitals in London and but less around motorways.

[Lancasterclaret]

So no denial, and still remainers claim the moral high ground, I notice. You guys are hilarious.

Never change. Lancaster, never change.

It is a fact that more Brexiteers die each die and more remainers become of voting age. No gloating, no laughing, nothing at all but a "fact".

Still, i suppose if you think that a 40 odd year intertwining of a country with 27 others can just be wished away without any real hassle, then you'll believe absolutely anything.

[Lancasterclaret]

darth is going to wake up in the morning with a sore head and vague recollection that he might have posted online when ******.

You've gone full Ringo lad. You never go full Ringo.

[Lancasterclaret]

Anyway off to bed for me.

Tomorrow we'll be nine days to a disaster all of our own making, and those responsible will still refuse to accept any responsibility, still refuse to accept that its not going to improve anything and will still blame people like me for pointing it out.

What a time to be alive eh?

[Paul Waine]

Think about it DL there is a significant difference between a hold up on the motorway against a hold up in a very big city like London.

More hospitals in London and but less around motorways.

Hi South West, I guess you know that there is one of London's major hospitals on the south side of Westminster Bridge? St Thomas' if you were wondering.

To be fair to the remain protestors - they managed to make shopping in Waitrose a lot less crowded.

[South West Claret.]

Hi South West, I guess you know that there is one of London's major hospitals on the south side of Westminster Bridge? St Thomas' if you were wondering.

To be fair to the remain protestors - they managed to make shopping in Waitrose a lot less crowded.

Shop right and vote remain you know it makes sense

[martin_p]

Your lot accept major disruption then show mock rage over a minor roadblock which breaks up on camera, albeit slowly, and is reported as ‘moving on’. I’ve seen that bridge have longer traffic jams.

You guys are laughable.

Go back to wishing your elders in to the grave so you can get your precious second referendum? Maybe there’s plenty of space to bury them on ‘your’ moral high ground?

To be fair to Darth Brexiteer protest never attract enough people to cause disruption. People’s Vote march circa 600,000, Brexit Betrayal march circa 60.

[Damo]

What are the chances of these brexiters taking responsibility if any emergency service vehicles are delayed as a result of their little protest? Probably about the same as them accepting the blame for all the grief caused from their previous stupid decisions (ie it will all be the remoaners’ fault)

I hope you can prove that every single Brexit supporter on here has blamed every negative aspect of everything on remoaners.
If not you are a liar

[Damo]

Jeez Darthlaw, you genuinely don't know the difference?

Seriously?

One planned so everyone knows what routes are affected

One not, so no one knows.

Brexit is turning peoples brains into mush.

This is a perfectly valid point.
If elderly leave voters knew that all the bridges were closed, and still got ill or had an accident then it's their own stupid racist fault

[Damo]

It is a fact that more Brexiteers die each die and more remainers become of voting age. No gloating, no laughing, nothing at all but a "fact".

Still, i suppose if you think that a 40 odd year intertwining of a country with 27 others can just be wished away without any real hassle, then you'll believe absolutely anything.

If it's a fact then I'm fairly sure it should be easy to provide some hard evidence

[Bfcboyo]

Anyway off to bed for me.

Tomorrow we'll be nine days to a disaster all of our own making, and those responsible will still refuse to accept any responsibility, still refuse to accept that its not going to improve anything and will still blame people like me for pointing it out.

What a time to be alive eh?

Cameron has retired a very wealthy man , let him enjoy it.

Now lets get those coal mines, steel works and dock yards fired up.

What a time to have lived!

[Greenmile]

I hope you can prove that every single Brexit supporter on here has blamed every negative aspect of everything on remoaners.
If not you are a liar

Wrong again. I made no such claim.

You’re not very good at this, are you?

Edit - here’s my post again with a little bit of emphasis added to help you see where you went wrong...

What are the chances of these brexiters taking responsibility if any emergency service vehicles are delayed as a result of their little protest? Probably about the same as them accepting the blame for all the grief caused from their previous stupid decisions (ie it will all be the remoaners’ fault)

[Greenmile]

If it's a fact then I'm fairly sure it should be easy to provide some hard evidence

You want evidence that old people die and young people get older???

[martin_p]

If it's a fact then I'm fairly sure it should be easy to provide some hard evidence

It is.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.inde ... html%3famp

[martin_p]

So it looks like May is only asking for a short Article 50 extension (despite threatening that if the WA wasn’t agreed before the EU summit she’d have to ask for a long extension).

I’m not sure what her plan is here (assuming she even has one of course) but it seems a dangerous one. She can’t be planning a radical rethink in a short extension, so will probably tell the EU she’s convinced she can get her WA agreed. I’m not sure the EU will buy that.

[Lancasterclaret]

And the political commentators this morning are saying its making a "No Deal" so much more of a reality.

She can't seem to understand that she is the PM of a whole country, not just the leader of a hopelessly split Conservative Party.

[Lancasterclaret]

Now lets get those coal mines, steel works and dock yards fired up.

What a time to have lived!

Not sure if that is a serious post or not mate, but the reasons why they all closed down in the first place are all still there, if not even more so.

And leaving the EU does not change any of that in the slightest.

[Lancasterclaret]

This is a perfectly valid point.
If elderly leave voters knew that all the bridges were closed, and still got ill or had an accident then it's their own stupid racist fault

Not at all

Yellow vest protestors just turn up and block bridges, no one knows when they are going to do it.

Planned marches (whatever the reason) have to notify the authorities so authorities can make contingency plans

Thats the crucial difference.

In this, not only does Darth not get this, but he also couldn't find a pic of people who voted against Brexit blocking the emergency services in.

In stuff like this Damo, we are the good guys!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[martin_p]

She’s certainly looking to appease the Brexiteers with a request for a short extension. And it certainly looks like she’s determined that the only options are her twice defeated WA and driving the U.K. bus over the no deal cliff.

The only other possible interpretation is that she’s hoping the EU says no to a short extension but offers a longer one with provisos attached that she then puts before Parliament. At least she can then tell the Brexiteers that she tried and a long extension is the nasty EUs fault. It’s a risky game though. I’d prefer the PM not to be playing poker with the future of our country.

[Paul Waine]

It is a fact that more Brexiteers die each die and more remainers become of voting age. No gloating, no laughing, nothing at all but a "fact".

Still, i suppose if you think that a 40 odd year intertwining of a country with 27 others can just be wished away without any real hassle, then you'll believe absolutely anything.

Hi Lancs. leaving aside your psephology predictions - is "Brexit voting" recorded as a cause of death on death certificates, btw?

Did the EEC/EU really have 28 member countries when the UK (and Ireland) joined in 1973? It would be interesting to see how many who post on here have good knowledge of the history of the EEC/EU all the way from the Treaty of Rome.

You know my view: when the Lisbon Treaty and Article 50 was drafted it should also have included the withdrawal rights and obligations of any member state opting to act on Article 50. The treaty should also have been completed by defining the relationship between the departing member state and the continuing members of the EU post-withdrawal. If the EU had thought to do that, firstly, everyone would have understood the single meaning of brexit - no hard, no soft, no brino etc etc and etc again - and we would already be living somewhere in the future.

There's never been any good reason for all this "hard fought" negotiation between the EU and the UK. With a bit of forethought The Lisbon Treaty could have sorted it all. Who knows, if we'd had this certainty none of this long drawn out arguments and "young, university educated people" wouldn't be wishing their parents dead so they could enjoy their inheritance.

[Lancasterclaret]

The annoying thing is that I think if the majority of Brexiteers actually thought about it, then they would understand that getting this right is far more important than getting it done quickly.

Crashing out into a disaster just increases the chance of people going "Hang on, we were much better off in".

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Most of them know it's important to get it right Lancaster, it's massively condescending to think they don't know that.

The issue is the politicians couldn't organise a drinking session in a brewery at this moment in time.

[Lancasterclaret]

Hi Lancs. leaving aside your psephology predictions - is "Brexit voting" recorded as a cause of death on death certificates, btw?

Did the EEC/EU really have 28 member countries when the UK (and Ireland) joined in 1973? It would be interesting to see how many who post on here have good knowledge of the history of the EEC/EU all the way from the Treaty of Rome.

You know my view: when the Lisbon Treaty and Article 50 was drafted it should also have included the withdrawal rights and obligations of any member state opting to act on Article 50. The treaty should also have been completed by defining the relationship between the departing member state and the continuing members of the EU post-withdrawal. If the EU had thought to do that, firstly, everyone would have understood the single meaning of brexit - no hard, no soft, no brino etc etc and etc again - and we would already be living somewhere in the future.

There's never been any good reason for all this "hard fought" negotiation between the EU and the UK. With a bit of forethought The Lisbon Treaty could have sorted it all. Who knows, if we'd had this certainty none of this long drawn out arguments and "young, university educated people" wouldn't be wishing their parents dead so they could enjoy their inheritance.

Hi Paul, with the greatest respect in the world, that doesn't actually help at the moment! (even though I agree with you with hindsight this could all be have been handled a lot better)

I want us to find a way through this so we don't crash out on a "No Deal". The level of debate on here suggests a hardening of the Brexit position, which as none of them have accepted that a "No Deal" is a really, really, really, really bad idea shouldn't surprise me, but it still does.

We need a leader in a situation like this, and we haven't got one.

[ClaretAndJew]

We are to lose an estimated £1 TRILLION due to Brexit.

https://www.ft.com/content/016171be-4a7 ... 5d44fb3577" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Lancasterclaret]

Most of them know it's important to get it right Lancaster, it's massively condescending to think they don't know that.]

Not meant to be condescending Sid, but I guess I'm getting a bit annoyed at the refusal to accept reality

If they understood how important it was to get it right, then they wouldn't be telling me that a "No Deal" and a "short, sharp shock" is a good idea?

Mainly because it won't be a short, sharp shock.

The idea that other countries will sign trade deals (and all the other stuff) super quickly just to bail us out of the **** without doing proper democratic due process is pure unicornism.

The only possible explanation I can think of is that they are hoping that the EU caves in and gives us all the benefits of membership, but without having to do anything, which is again, pure unicornism.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Not meant to be condescending Sid, but I guess I'm getting a bit annoyed at the refusal to accept reality

If they understood how important it was to get it right, then they wouldn't be telling me that a "No Deal" and a "short, sharp shock" is a good idea?

Mainly because it won't be a short, sharp shock.

The idea that other countries will sign trade deals (and all the other stuff) super quickly just to bail us out of the **** without doing proper democratic due process is pure unicornism.

The only possible explanation I can think of is that they are hoping that the EU caves in and gives us all the benefits of membership, but without having to do anything, which is again, pure unicornism.

With competent politicians we can get trade deals done in a relatively short time, part of that reason will be our current standards of products/services etc will exactly match those of the EU, we can use that to our advantage.

No Deal isn't the best idea, but right now it isn't the worst one either because the continual dragging out of the leave process is just making this more uncertain and by default worse.

As for short sharp shock, how do you know the length of the shock, or are you making a prediction based on the opinions of others?

No one knows how long the sharp shock will be, but again it's all going to boil down to the competency of our politicians to get deals done quickly with the minimal amount of fuss.
Seeing as they're more arsed about dick waving at each other though...

[Lancasterclaret]

New low for the Daily Telegraph today as well

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47634365" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[GodIsADeeJay81]

BBC link?

[ClaretAndJew]

Yeah but it talks about the DT, read the ******* article.

[Lancasterclaret]

With competent politicians we can get trade deals done in a relatively short time, part of that reason will be our current standards of products/services etc will exactly match those of the EU, we can use that to our advantage.

You don't know what you are talking about.

Find me an example of two big industrial nations trade deals being signed in a "relatively short time" frame.

For comparison

Canada- EU - seven years
Japan-EU - bit longer
TTIP - still going on

I get the desire and I definitely get that we need it desperately, but there isn't any evidence that these things can be done quickly and suggesting it is is one of the reasons we are in this mess in the first place.

[martin_p]

No one knows how long the sharp shock will be, but again it's all going to boil down to the competency of our politicians to get deals done quickly with the minimal amount of fuss.

So I think we can assume from that it's more likely to be longer than shorter!

[GodIsADeeJay81]

You don't know what you are talking about.

Find me an example of two big industrial nations trade deals being signed in a "relatively short time" frame.

For comparison

Canada- EU - seven years
Japan-EU - bit longer
TTIP - still going on

I get the desire and I definitely get that we need it desperately, but there isn't any evidence that these things can be done quickly and suggesting it is is one of the reasons we are in this mess in the first place.

So a deal with a group of 27 nations will take just as long when they're negotiating with just one?

Impressive heel dragging going on there.