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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:47 am

Words matter Darth.

You want to believe that people want Brexiteers dead. So you do.

Fair enough

Like you say, we got far bigger things to worry about at the moment.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by dsr » Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:50 am

Darthlaw wrote:As I said, semantics, but...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... referendum
The Polly Toynbee article is a strange one, because she quotes an article by Charles Moore that she clearly hasn't read. (Nor had the headline writer, which is why the headline doesn't represent the rest of the article.) Moore doesn't recommend that Brexit supporters boycott the proposed second referendum; he speculates as to what would be the result if they did, but makes no recommendation.

The problem with the second referendum is that it appears to be asking a completely different question. The suggested options to the follow-up question appear to be likely to be May's deal, or Remain. There will be no option to leave on sensible terms - the only option for leave will be under a deal that everyone (apart from May) hates. That is obviously an unfair question.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by South West Claret. » Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:51 am

South West Claret. wrote:It does indeed and the obvious solution to this irresponsibley led nonsense of getting on for 3 flaming years now by this useless money (ours by the way) wasting Government.

Some of us have been banging on about our “first Informed referendum” for most if not all of that 3 years as some of you know so I very hope the It comes to fruition.

By the way for any Little Englanders that still want us out I am assuming that if the referendum vote now will be to stay, where will you be emigrating too?
Further more the “first informed referendum” should consist of the original questions

A) Stay In.

B) Leave.

The sooner we get this organised the better as there will be no “relevant” reason not too.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by dsr » Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:53 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:New low for the Daily Telegraph today as well

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47634365" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Why is it low? Are you saying that Donald Trump should be "no platformed"?

It's not an editorial, incidentally. The BBC reporter has used the wrong word. It's a commentary.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:53 am

All things said, the best thing now is to take May’s deal after the EU offer more concessions tomorrow. It’s naff, but it solves the NI problem and gives reassurances that other solutions can kick in to stop the backstop.

Thinks its too late for that deal now Crosspool.

But who knows?
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by dsr » Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:54 am

South West Claret. wrote:Further more the “first informed referendum” should consist of the original questions

A) Stay In.

B) Leave.

The sooner we get this organised the better as there will be no “relevant” reason not too.
Exactly. We are well informed what the EU is like, and we are well informed that there will be no deal coming from them that the House of Commons thinks we should support; so why put it on the ballot?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Darthlaw » Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:54 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Words matter Darth
They do, that’s why you’ve gone from “no ones crowing about old people” to “still not wishing them dead”.

I’m wondering how many more posts before “Yeah, DL, but no one specifically said your gran Dorothy, though...”

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:56 am

South West Claret. wrote:It does indeed and the obvious solution to this irresponsibley led nonsense of getting on for 3 flaming years now by this useless money (ours by the way) wasting Government.

Some of us have been banging on about our “first Informed referendum” for most if not all of that 3 years as some of you know so I very hope the It comes to fruition.

By the way for any Little Englanders that still want us out I am assuming that if the referendum vote now will be to stay, where will you be emigrating too?
I'll wait for the result of the 3rd referendum

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:59 am

They do, that’s why you’ve gone from “no ones crowing about old people” to “still not wishing them dead”.

I’m wondering how many more posts before “Yeah, DL, but no one specifically said your gran Dorothy, though...”
Fine, I'll just edit my posts so they all say "no one is crowing about old people"

But I'm replying to what you claimed, which you can't prove.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:01 pm

Why is it low? Are you saying that Donald Trump should be "no platformed"?
With UK internal politics? With his record and rhetoric?

100%

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by South West Claret. » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:11 pm

dsr wrote:Exactly. We are well informed what the EU is like, and we are well informed that there will be no deal coming from them that the House of Commons thinks we should support; so why put it on the ballot?
You seem to be commenting and interpreting on only part of my recent posts.


If you go back and read again my recent couple of posts you may glean why.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by South West Claret. » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:12 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:I'll wait for the result of the 3rd referendum

That’s not required.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:16 pm

John Bercow "tweaking" what would normally be a neutral motion and making amendments legally binding, for votes this afternoon.

More pivotal moments from the man than has been kept in place , to help stop brexit.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/s ... -labour-mp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Beckett’s remarks are worth quoting in full: “Yes, if it comes to it, the constitutional future of this country, the most difficult decision we’ve made for hundreds of years, yes, it trumps bad behaviour.”

"If it is Labour MPs’ honest belief that they are actually so tactically inept that the only way they can guarantee not sabotaging their hopes of changing Britain’s trajectory over Brexit is to keep John Bercow in place: 

http://www.cityam.com/265892/jeremy-cor ... ing-brexit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry said with Parliament set to play a key role in the Brexit process it was “absolutely not the time” for the Speaker to step down, despite a report into harassment and misconduct in Parliament calling for a change of management in Westminster.

The inquiry, carried out by Dame Laura Cox QC, revealed shocking details of female workers in Parliament being groped, widespread bullying, and a culture of tolerance “cascading from the top down”.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:21 pm

Not sure who gets that last point from Wrongo.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:24 pm

martin_p wrote:Not sure who gets that last point from Wrongo.
Has Bercows role been "pivotal"

Yes


Or


No.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:26 pm

South West Claret. wrote:That’s not required.
Why's that then?

A 2nd one has apparently been required since the first one.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Darthlaw » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:33 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Fine, I'll just edit my posts so they all say "no one is crowing about old people"

But I'm replying to what you claimed, which you can't prove.
No need to edit, Lancs. best to leave them there so folk can see you changing the semantics each time.

You asked for people ‘crowing’ and I gave you examples. What more proof do you need?

I know you like Twitter so:
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:37 pm

That fine.

Its definitely a trend!

Would you like me to bring up all the twitter posts (and there are a hell of a lot) from brexiteers who are also massive racists and homophobes, or who want remainers shot for treason?

I don't, because I recognise that its nowhere near the majority.

This is pure Ringo btw. And like Ringo, you don't come out of it well.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:39 pm

Why's that then?

A 2nd one has apparently been required since the first one.]
2nd ref is the last option after everything else has been tried to avoid crashing out on a "No Deal"

The longer the PM or anyone else tries to push their version through against the wishes of the majority, then its more and more likely.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:42 pm

Darthlaw wrote:No need to edit, Lancs. best to leave them there so folk can see you changing the semantics each time.

You asked for people ‘crowing’ and I gave you examples. What more proof do you need?

I know you like Twitter so:
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Tread carefully pal. Provide Liecaster Claret with facts and he blocks you.

You see when a guy claims "I have the fortunate habit of always being right" is proven wrong. It shatters the lofty holier than though delusion.

Back to your point.

Remoaners clearly have a ghoulish fetish about the passing of leave voters. You pointing it out simply holds a mirror up to them.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:45 pm

For some bizarre reason Darth, I think I better mention something.

You know the homophobic and racist leave posters are not just on twitter. They are on here. Posting right now.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:46 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:2nd ref is the last option after everything else has been tried to avoid crashing out on a "No Deal"

The longer the PM or anyone else tries to push their version through against the wishes of the majority, then its more and more likely.
They've voted about a 2nd ref last week didn't they in Parliament and it wasn't passed??

So they can't keep asking for another one, especially as May can't keep asking for votes on the same deal she's tabled before..

Also, I thought legally we can leave without a deal regardless of the parliamentary vote on it recently?
I could be wrong, but if we don't agree one and the EU don't grant an extension then we can literally leave as we are.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by JohnMcGreal » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:48 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:I'll wait for the result of the 3rd referendum
So the next one, then.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:49 pm

I think, in the nicest possible way Sid, that your expertise on every single topic on here is wobbling slightly.

Changes can happen so both Mays deal and others can still be proposed.
Also, I thought legally we can leave without a deal regardless of the parliamentary vote on it recently?
I could be wrong, but if we don't agree one and the EU don't grant an extension then we can literally leave as we are.
No, that is quite correct, we leave on March 29th. But a "No deal" has been rejected by parliament and the its not what was promised and would be a disaster, so everyone is trying to avoid it.

Not doing a good job like, but trying to avoid it.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by dsr » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:50 pm

South West Claret. wrote:You seem to be commenting and interpreting on only part of my recent posts.


If you go back and read again my recent couple of posts you may glean why.
Even if what you wrote is not what you believe, it doesn't make it any less true. If there is a second referendum, it should not exclude the "unpopular" answers.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by JohnMcGreal » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:53 pm

dsr wrote:Even if what you wrote is not what you believe, it doesn't make it any less true. If there is a second referendum, it should not exclude the "unpopular" answers.
No, but it should exclude the batshit mental ones.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:53 pm

Government now backing down from what it promised last week.

More and more damage being done to parliamentary democracy every day by this absolute **** show of a PM.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:55 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:That fine.

Its definitely a trend!

Would you like me to bring up all the twitter posts (and there are a hell of a lot) from brexiteers who are also massive racists and homophobes, or who want remainers shot for treason?

I don't, because I recognise that its nowhere near the majority.

This is pure Ringo btw. And like Ringo, you don't come out of it well.
Show me a single racist or homophobic post I've ever made.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by dsr » Wed Mar 20, 2019 12:58 pm

JohnMcGreal wrote:No, but it should exclude the [deleted] mental ones.
That's the problem. There are a lot of Remainers, not just you, who think democracy should be restricted to those who have the "right" answers.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:05 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I think, in the nicest possible way Sid, that your expertise on every single topic on here is wobbling slightly.

Changes can happen so both Mays deal and others can still be proposed.



No, that is quite correct, we leave on March 29th. But a "No deal" has been rejected by parliament and the its not what was promised and would be a disaster, so everyone is trying to avoid it.

Not doing a good job like, but trying to avoid it.
On every topic?
Ok then.

As for this, I'm well aware of my shortcomings in knowledge, but then again the experts were shown up when the world didn't collapse after the referendum so I'm in good company it seems.

Good to know I've got something right though on here :roll:

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:16 pm

Show me a single racist or homophobic post I've ever made.
You are joking right? You know as well as I do that threads that include that (eventually) get deleted.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:17 pm

Some self awareness on one ability is always good Sid!

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:17 pm

Claim

Before the EU referendum George Osborne claimed up to 820,000 jobs could be lost within two years if Britain chose to leave.

Conclusion

Correct. Mr Osborne did claim this. He was referring to Treasury analysis which said the worst case scenario following a leave vote could increase the number of unemployed people by 820,000.

https://fullfact.org/economy/whats-happ ... -leave-eu/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

500,000 UK jobs lost if it left EU, new Treasury analysis shows (Archived)

"New Treasury analysis shows a vote to leave the EU would tip Britain’s economy into a year-long recession."


https://www.gov.uk/government/news/brit ... ysis-shows" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ABSOLUTE AND UTTER LIES.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Darthlaw » Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:18 pm

Lancs, I’ve said my bit and given proof, you’ve now switched from semantics to whataboutery. I’ve made my point, so I’m not engaging in another.

On a lighter note, I’m standing outside Parliament as I’m posting this. Topical or what?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:18 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:You are joking right? You know as well as I do they get deleted when you stir out of your cave.

Show me a single racist or homophobic post I've ever made.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:19 pm

On a lighter note, I’m standing outside Parliament as I’m posting this. Topical or what?
Shout some abuse for me will you!

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:21 pm

Show me a single racist or homophobic post I've ever made.
You don't do "evidence".

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Darthlaw » Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:21 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Shout some abuse for me will you!
For which side..? :twisted:

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:22 pm

Wonderful

EU not interested

Either May 29th or much longer one only.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:23 pm

For which side..? :twisted:
At this stage mate, they all deserve it.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:24 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Dunno, JRM says he going to vote for the deal, and that its actually "Brexit".
Lie.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:25 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:For some bizarre reason Darth, I think I better mention something.

You know the homophobic and racist leave posters are not just on twitter. They are on here. Posting right now.

Show me a single racist or homophobic post I've ever made.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:25 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:You are joking right? You know as well as I do that threads that include that (eventually) get deleted.
Show me a single racist or homophobic post I've ever made.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:26 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:You don't do "evidence".
You do lies.

Show me a single racist or homophobic post I've ever made.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by dsr » Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:29 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Wonderful

EU not interested

Either May 29th or much longer one only.
That's good news.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:30 pm

You don't do evidence

You spent 70 pages showing everyone that you'd argue absolutely anything rather than admit you were wrong.

That all you mate, thats all you are.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:31 pm

That's good news.
Think its probably good news for Mays deal chances getting through, but again, who knows!?!

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:34 pm

Lancaster wracking up the Ringo Wrongo Bingo points while my back is turned! Sneaky!
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Tall Paul » Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:34 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:Show me a single racist or homophobic post I've ever made.
Here you go Ringo

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by dsr » Wed Mar 20, 2019 1:34 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Think its probably good news for Mays deal chances getting through, but again, who knows!?!
Hope not. It's good news that it might mean the tactics of delay and confusion will stop on 29th March. But knowing how much our MPs like delay and confusion, I doubt that. But at least it means May and others will have to come down on one side of the fence or the other - for Brexit, or against Brexit.

If we get May's deal, we never get out. If we don't get May's deal, then even if they rescind Article 50, we eventually get out.

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