Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020

[martin_p]

What will bring you out of the woodwork to answer a simple question?


Has John Bercows role been pivotal 

Yes 


Or 


No?

Can anyone else hear an annoying whining sound?

[Imploding Turtle]

What will bring you out of the woodwork to answer a simple question?


Has John Bercows role been pivotal 

Yes 


Or 


No?

Let me sleep on it. Ringo, Ringo, let me sleep on it.
Let me sleep on it and I'll give you an answer in the morning

[nil_desperandum]

124,000 as at March 2018.

I think the Tories would win the election if they appoint anyone who appears to be competent. .

Correct, but I just can't see Ken Clarke being persuaded to stand at his age, so that rules that option out.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Can anyone else hear an annoying whining sound?

What are you going to spend all your points on?

[martin_p]

What are you going to spend all your points on?

A 'Bercow for PM' mug.

[RingoMcCartney]

Can anyone else hear an annoying whining sound?

Can anyone see somebody avoiding answering a question to save embarrassment?

[RingoMcCartney]

A 'Bercow for PM' mug.

A special mug, for a special mug?

[Tall Paul]

And Mays pledge to not fight another GE does clash with her victory in the leadership election in Jan.

And if anyone trusts a word she says, then well I've got some magic beards to sell you.

Magic beards sound brilliant.

[AndyClaret]

But that splits the Tory Party, which allows Corbyn in.

There are no winners here

Not if there's a general election.

[martin_p]

Oooh, emergency Brexit debate about to happen.

[martin_p]

Not if there's a general election.

Depends whether the ex-Tory MPs decide to stand as independants in their constituencies.

[nil_desperandum]

Not if there's a general election.

Well there weren't any last time, (except the DUP Party of course), so what makes you think there'll be a winner this time?

[nil_desperandum]

Depends whether the ex-Tory MPs decide to stand as independants in their constituencies.

Of course they would, and if standing on an "Anti - no deal" ticket hopefully they other parties would give them a free ride, because in most cases they are seats that the other parties can't win.

[summitclaret]

My prediction for what happens next:

1. Labour says they will support May's deal if there is the referendum offering Remain or May's deal.
2. The House of Commons passes it.
3. The EU allows an extension for the referendum. (Unless one of the Presidents vetoes it!)
4. The Electoral Commission rejects the proposed question for the referendum.
5. Everyone sits on their hands saying "what do we do now".

Of course, step 3 may fail - no extension for the referendum. In which case, Parliament will probably pass May's deal and the delay and confusion carries on for another two years.

And hopefully, and hopefully soon, May and Hammond both resign. Clarkson couldn't have made a bigger mess!

Won't get through your number 2.

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

I told you guys weeks ago, Brexit is DEAD.

Either the UK crashes out with no-deal, which isn't an option as it would mean the death of the UK, both physically and economically, or Article 50 is revoked.

You have been and still are merely witnessing the death throes.

[martin_p]

Won't get through your number 2.

Ewwwww! (sorry, childish )

[nil_desperandum]

Won't get through your number 2.

Absolutely guarantee it would be passed if the only other option is leaving on March 29th with "No deal".

[dsr]

Won't get through your number 2.

They would if Labour supported it. If Labour could ever make a decision, this would be (mostly) in their hands.

[RingoMcCartney]

Brexit would mean the death of the UK, physically

Bring out yer dead!

[aggi]

And then the question is whether it is a general election under a Tory leader appointed by MPs, or whether there is time for the membership to have a leadership vote.

If the Tories could appoint a competent leader in tune with the membership who is offering a solution, when up against Labour under Corbyn who appears to have no opinion on Brexit, then it could be decisive.

The trouble (for both parties) is how in line the electorate is with the party members. There's all the talk about how popular Corbyn is with the members for instance but you need to translate that to votes. The members are generally going to embody the strongest ideals of the party which isn't necessarily what the voters are looking for.

Leadership talent in both parties is a bit thin on the ground. I can't really think of any Tory MPs who have impressed in the past few years whilst this has all been going on.

[Caballo]

I told you guys weeks ago, Brexit is DEAD.

Either the UK crashes out with no-deal, which isn't an option as it would mean the death of the UK, both physically and economically, or Article 50 is revoked.

You have been and still are merely witnessing the death throes.

Agree with your sentiment re Brexit. You need to row back on the hyperbole a touch though, the UK has survived bigger shocks, both physical and financial, than leaving the EU could ever inflict.

[RingoMcCartney]

I told you guys weeks ago, Brexit is DEAD.

Either the UK crashes out with no-deal, which isn't an option as it would mean the death of the UK, both physically and economically, or Article 50 is revoked.

You have been and still are merely witnessing the death throes.

Cheered me right up sunshine!

What subjects are you looking for to doing at big school?

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

Agree with your sentiment re Brexit. You need to row back on the hyperbole a touch though, the UK has survived bigger shocks, both physical and financial, than leaving the EU could ever inflict.

Hyperbole?
A hard border in Northern Ireland and the return of terrorism until Northern Ireland leaves the UK (soon).
Scotland leaves the UK (very soon).
All financial and automotive companies leave the UK for Europe (immediate).
Thousands of businesses who trade with the EU go bust (immediate).
Farmers go bust (immediate).

Hard Brexit is the self-destruct button for the UK, it was always a scare story and never a credible option.

Theresa May used it as a stick to beat Parliament with but she can't use it against the EU because they are prepared to take the hard line.

There are various things that can happen next, including *no-deal which are...

1: May resigns or calls an election and long extension (No Brexit).

2: Article 50 revoked (No Brexit).

3: Second referendum and long extension (No Brexit).

*No-deal is not included because it simply isn't valid.

[Jakubclaret]

I told you guys weeks ago, Brexit is DEAD.

Either the UK crashes out with no-deal, which isn't an option as it would mean the death of the UK, both physically and economically, or Article 50 is revoked.

You have been and still are merely witnessing the death throes.

Nonsense, unless 17.4 million people are suddenly & radically going to change their minds & in conjunction with massive wholesale reforms within the EU, just means the agony will be prolonged until June at the very latest, clearly around 3yrs thrashing out the intricacies will need to be done for the objective to cross the line.

[Lancasterclaret]

Brexit isn't dead at all, but its risking it a lot more than it needs to be by these tactics.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Nonsense, unless 17.4 million people are suddenly & radically going to change their minds & in conjunction with massive wholesale reforms within the EU, just means the agony will be prolonged until June at the very latest, clearly around 3yrs thrashing out the intricacies will need to be done for the objective to cross the line.

A lot of them will be in prison though for the civil disobedience they keep promising from behind their keyboards so it’ll be fine.

[RingoMcCartney]

Hyperbole?
A hard border in Northern Ireland and the return of terrorism until Northern Ireland leaves the UK (soon).
Scotland leaves the UK (very soon).
All financial and automotive companies leave the UK for Europe (immediate).
Thousands of businesses who trade with the EU go bust (immediate).
Farmers go bust (immediate).

Hard Brexit is the self-destruct button for the UK, it was always a scare story and never a credible option.

Theresa May used it as a stick to beat Parliament with but she can't use it against the EU because they are prepared to take the hard line.

There are various things that can happen next, including *no-deal which are...

1: May resigns or calls an election and long extension (No Brexit).

2: Article 50 revoked (No Brexit).

3: Second referendum and long extension (No Brexit).

*No-deal is not included because it simply isn't valid.

How many coffins will we need to order?

[Lancasterclaret]

I see some confusion in the press, even in the FT, about extension. Once the European Council has agreed to an extension, the 29 March date in the UK's Withdrawal Act no longer matters. Under EU law the UK remains a member state, and EU law is supreme.

Tweet from an EU law expert, which is potentially explosive. Got to admit though, looking to see if there is anything else to back it up.

Certainly if the case, more fuel for Mrs May to get her deal through.

[dsr]

Hyperbole?
A hard border in Northern Ireland and the return of terrorism until Northern Ireland leaves the UK (soon).
Scotland leaves the UK (very soon).
All financial and automotive companies leave the UK for Europe (immediate).
Thousands of businesses who trade with the EU go bust (immediate).
Farmers go bust (immediate).

Yes - hyperbole.

You seem to think that all trade with the EU will cease when we leave. It won't.

As for the Irish Republic erecting a hard border with Northern Ireland - I doubt it. And we know the UK won't. As for Scotland, once they know that they will have to erect a hard border with England if they rejoin the EU, and that they will have to pay billions a year for the right to free trade with England if they don't rejoin the EU, it's possible they might decide not to leave after all.

[Lancasterclaret]

As for Scotland, once they know that they will have to erect a hard border with England if they rejoin the EU, and that they will have to pay billions a year for the right to free trade with England if they don't rejoin the EU, it's possible they might decide not to leave after all.

Guess it depends on whether they think all this sovereignty is worth the trade hit eh?

[dsr]

The trouble (for both parties) is how in line the electorate is with the party members. There's all the talk about how popular Corbyn is with the members for instance but you need to translate that to votes. The members are generally going to embody the strongest ideals of the party which isn't necessarily what the voters are looking for.

Leadership talent in both parties is a bit thin on the ground. I can't really think of any Tory MPs who have impressed in the past few years whilst this has all been going on.

the electorate is broadly for Leave. But in a sense it doesn't matter much what the electorate is for - if the Tories stand for leave or if the tories stand for Remain, they will still get more votes than Labour if Labour stands for sticking its head in the sand and waiting for it to go away. What is Labour's policy on Brexit - if they have one?

[Lancasterclaret]

the electorate is broadly for Leave.

Ok, not 100% sure about that but lets run with it!

If both Lab and Cons said they wanted to leave, then it would be about other stuff. And the Conservatives would be on the back foot straight away as they are the government that isn't doing a good job about anything.

[RingoMcCartney]

Ringo gets a lot of stick for not knowing what he is on about but t-rex takes it to a whole new level of stupidity.

I get a lot of stick cos I have a different world view and opinion to the a vocal minority.

I get a lot of stick cos I smoke out posters who make false accusations without backing them up with evidence.

I get a lot of stick cos I ask simple questions that other posters avoid answering to save embarrassment.

[dsr]

Guess it depends on whether they think all this sovereignty is worth the trade hit eh?

Exactly. In the previous Scottish referendum, the trade hit wasn't even mentioned - it was assumed it would be a fair deal between two amicable countries. Now, they won't be so sure. Whether the belief that England will be nasty encourages them to stay, or encourages them to leave, is in doubt. It would obviously encourage you to stay, but I wouldn't expect the Scots to grovel before the mighty England, so I think it would encourage them to leave.

[Lancasterclaret]

I get a lot of stick cos I have a different world view and opinion to the a vocal minority.

I get a lot of stick cos I smoke out posters who make false accusations without backing them up with evidence.

I get a lot of stick cos I ask simple questions that other posters avoid answering to save embarrassment.

You get a lot of stick because you treat people like the **** of the bottom of your shoe. Be honest with yourself mate.

[Devils_Advocate]

Ringo gets a lot of stick for not knowing what he is on about but t-rex takes it to a whole new level of stupidity.

This has gotta be some kind of Alan Partridge style parody account, I cant believe this is a real person.....Aha!!

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Wrong but we do need a “first Informed referendum”.

If Leave won again, would you want another referendum for some other random reason?

Informed and People's vote would've been used, so better get that thinking cap on incase.

[Lancasterclaret]

Exactly. In the previous Scottish referendum, the trade hit wasn't even mentioned - it was assumed it would be a fair deal between two amicable countries. Now, they won't be so sure. Whether the belief that England will be nasty encourages them to stay, or encourages them to leave, is in doubt. It would obviously encourage you to stay, but I wouldn't expect the Scots to grovel before the mighty England, so I think it would encourage them to leave.

It was more a dig at your stance on the EU. I think they are more likely to leave if we crash out on a "No Deal" as its a terrible deal for all.

I'd be amazed if they didn't declare a UDI on March 29th to be perfectly honest.

This **** is so not worth it.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Guess it depends on whether they think all this sovereignty is worth the trade hit eh?

They'd be trading Westminster for Brussels (eventually).

I suppose they'd prefer being dictated too by Europeans over those horrible English folk.

[Billy Balfour]

the UK has survived bigger shocks, both physical and financial, than leaving the EU could ever inflict.

Shocks? Hang on. Brexit was supposed to lead us to the sunlit meadows of beyond. Now people are talking about how we survived wars and stuff.

[RingoMcCartney]

You get a lot of stick because you treat people like the **** of the bottom of your shoe. Be honest with yourself mate.

Wanted :

Full length mirror required. Must be able to deliver to Lancaster.

Wanted :

Industrial standard flashlight to help search for evidence of racist and homophobic posts.

[Right_winger]

Hyperbole?
A hard border in Northern Ireland and the return of terrorism until Northern Ireland leaves the UK (soon).
Scotland leaves the UK (very soon).
All financial and automotive companies leave the UK for Europe (immediate).
Thousands of businesses who trade with the EU go bust (immediate).
Farmers go bust (immediate).

Hard Brexit is the self-destruct button for the UK, it was always a scare story and never a credible option.

Theresa May used it as a stick to beat Parliament with but she can't use it against the EU because they are prepared to take the hard line.

There are various things that can happen next, including *no-deal which are...

1: May resigns or calls an election and long extension (No Brexit).

2: Article 50 revoked (No Brexit).

3: Second referendum and long extension (No Brexit).

*No-deal is not included because it simply isn't valid.

Oh where to start with this lot..

N Ireland majority want to be part of the UK. There won’t be a hard border unless the EU forces it which would raise dissent against the EU on both sides of the border.

Clearly you know nothing about Scotland to come up with such an woefully inaccurate comment. I wouldn’t be listening to the noise from the SNP either as they will be turfed out at the next election.

It’s very bold of you to predict what’s going to happen because no one has a clue.

It’s clear the only tactic May has is to bulldoze her deal through by any means possible. I don’t see how MV3 comes back to the table in this session unless something substantial changes. The EU aren’t going to agree to short extension unless their is a plan in place, looking unlikely at preset.

A long extension gives the establishment and EU time
to find a way to subvert the result. This would mean the end of May, the govt and the Tory party . Revoking article 50 at the last minute is the nuclear option which would result in chaos for Westminster. Again the same results would occur as a long extension .

No deal.. is the only viable option if May cannot get substantial changes to the WA.

I can’t say Iv any idea how it’s going to pan out.

Will the queen be forced to step in and dissolve parliament?

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

They'd be trading Westminster for Brussels (eventually).

I suppose they'd prefer being dictated too by Europeans over those horrible English folk.

Who wouldn't?

[Lancasterclaret]

Shocks? Hang on. Brexit was supposed to lead us to the sunlit meadows of beyond. Now people are talking about how we survived wars and stuff.

Imagine being in the bunker during the blitz and then finding out that 52% of the bunker voted for the bombs to be raining down. Bet our legendary blitz spirit wouldn't possibly be something to be proud off eh?

[Mala591]

Question:

Does anyone have a list of current Labour MPs who's constituencies voted to leave the EU ?

Thanks

[Right_winger]

It was more a dig at your stance on the EU. I think they are more likely to leave if we crash out on a "No Deal" as its a terrible deal for all.

I'd be amazed if they didn't declare a UDI on March 29th to be perfectly honest.

This **** is so not worth it.

Scotland cannot declare UDI. That’s an act of war against The UK.

There isn’t the support for it either. More people voted to leave the EU than they did for the SNP anyway.

Typical SNP noise.

[Lancasterclaret]

Wanted :

Full length mirror required. Must be able to deliver to Lancaster.

Wanted :

Industrial standard flashlight to help search for evidence of racist and homophobic posts.

Pretty easy actually.

Just click on your name, and I get your full list of posts.

All I need is the time to go through pages and pages and pages of utter worthless ****.

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

Ringo gets a lot of stick for not knowing what he is on about but t-rex takes it to a whole new level of stupidity.

But I will be RIGHT.

When the dust settles and all this bullsh*t is done, the UK will still be in the EU, possibly with the added bonus of no more Tory party.

[Claret-On-A-T-Rex]

Imagine being in the bunker during the blitz and then finding out that 52% of the bunker voted for the bombs to be raining down. Bet our legendary blitz spirit wouldn't possibly be something to be proud off eh?

Imagine getting your weak little country kicked out of the EU by France.

[Lancasterclaret]

But I will be RIGHT.

When the dust settles and all this bullsh*t is done, the UK will still be in the EU, possibly with the added bonus of no more Tory party.

Bold claim. I still don't see how we remain to be perfectly honest, though the PM is giving it a jolly good go by forcing it down to the wire.