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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by summitclaret » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:21 pm

Of course we will survive but it won't be pretty.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Right_winger » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:21 pm

**** the Irish, extra bonus. Varadkar should have been more amicable in negotiations.

No deal full steam ahead please

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:23 pm

Isn't it Ireland that are already in financial trouble?

One of a small group of countries with the acronym P.I.G.S?
Portugal, Ireland, Greece and Spain that are all on their arses financially??

It was a while ago that I read about that story though I'll admit.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:23 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Oooh, 9 month delay mooted by EU if Mays deal fails.

Guess we'd have to do EU election though
Maybe the EU have twigged that the threat of no deal isn’t much of a threat to the members of the Tory party that May needs to support her deal. A nine month extension on the other hand....

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:27 pm

"Latest: Understand latest talks are indeed focussing on an initial extension ending on the 7th of May. But there's a Plan B fallback of dragging it out until the end of the year so long as the UK has said before April 11 that it will hold EU elections."
**** the Irish, extra bonus. Varadkar should have been more amicable in negotiations.

No deal full steam ahead please
Again, some evidence for your undoubted confidence would certainly help when you make statements that sound as confrontational as that.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:28 pm

If the longer extension is agreed I think it may make it more likely that May’s deal gets enough votes on Monday.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Greenmile » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:29 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Isn't it Ireland that are already in financial trouble?

One of a small group of countries with the acronym P.I.G.S?
Portugal, Ireland, Greece and Spain that are all on their arses financially??

It was a while ago that I read about that story though I'll admit.
I thought the “I” was Italy. And that they were the hardest hit countries in 2008. I may be wrong though.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:30 pm

Long extension means the ERG are more likely to vote for it.

But I think its Andyclaret who said that they are not enough on their own.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by summitclaret » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:33 pm

The EU and Ireland can sort this by giving way a bit on the trapstop.

Like the penny has finally dropped with Ireland. The EU have always said that they would protect Ireland.

I'd love it if the mafia had to back off on the trapstop.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by summitclaret » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:35 pm

Just found out that the EU are intending to allocate our seats to the other countries rather than have fewer. More snouts in the trough when they could have saved money. Typical EU.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by nil_desperandum » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:39 pm

summitclaret wrote:No chance whatsoever of that. Far more likely to be IDS of Davies
If that's what you think, then you are out of touch with reality.
IDS has no credibility even in his own party and Davis used to have support but totally failed as Brexit secretary.
Added to that it's mathematically very difficult for a potentially "no deal" candidate to get into the final 2 elected by the Parliamentary Party, (in order to be in the final vote of Party members).
As mentioned, Lidington might well command support from a large majority but for the ERG, (assuming he is prepared to take it on), otherwise the MPs most likely to get support from a majority of MPs are Hunt, Rudd or Javid.
(Gove is probably too toxic, and I think the majority of Tory MPs have now had enough of Johnson).
But if you think that IDS is in with a good shout as next PM then get a tenner on him quickly, as his odds are 150 / 1 (Even Esther McVey is only 50 / 1 !!!)

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:39 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Long extension means the ERG are more likely to vote for it.

But I think its Andyclaret who said that they are not enough on their own.
If the hardcore of 25-30 refuse to budge it’ll need some Labour help. But the long extension may make increased Labour support less likely.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by summitclaret » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:43 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:If that's what you think, then you are out of touch with reality.
IDS has no credibility even in his own party and Davis used to have support but totally failed as Brexit secretary.
Added to that it's mathematically very difficult for a potentially "no deal" candidate to get into the final 2 elected by the Parliamentary Party, (in order to be in the final vote of Party members).
As mentioned, Lidington might well command support from a large majority but for the ERG, (assuming he is prepared to take it on), otherwise the MPs most likely to get support from a majority of MPs are Hunt, Rudd or Javid.
(Gove is probably too toxic, and I think the majority of Tory MPs have now had enough of Johnson).
But if you think that IDS is in with a good shout as next PM then get a tenner on him quickly, as his odds are 150 / 1 (Even Esther McVey is only 50 / 1 !!!)
You have totally missed my point. I was talking about an interim pm. Someone bot associated with the shambles of the cabinet. There is not time for a tory members' ballot atm.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:45 pm

summitclaret wrote:You have totally missed my point. I was talking about an interim pm. Someone bot associated with the shambles of the cabinet. There is not time for a tory members' ballot atm.
Who is going to make the decision, and how?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by summitclaret » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:50 pm

The tory mps. I know some remainers might be awkward and insist on a run off, but the Tories are shitting themselves about tbe local elections and quite rightly. I think that they would just decide in private who was the interim pm and no ine else would be involved. Who with career prospects wpuld want it just now.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Thu Mar 21, 2019 7:53 pm

summitclaret wrote:The tory mps. I know some remainers might be awkward and insist on a run off, but the Tories are shitting themselves about tbe local elections and quite rightly. I think that they would just decide in private who was the interim pm and no ine else would be involved. Who with career prospects wpuld want it just now.
Political parties have rules, I would imagine the Tory party rules don’t allow that. And even if they did IDS would be about 315th choice with his colleagues.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by summitclaret » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:00 pm

If only 1 person puts their name forward that's it. However it looks like the EU are pushing for no conditions to 7th may and then 9 months. So that tells me that ireland are really worried about no deal (serves them right) and that 9 months is plenty of time to prepare for no deal and push for a proper canada plus deal on threat of that.

Now that the EU leaders are in charge and not the EC reality is dawning.

So if true no need for an interim pm.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by nil_desperandum » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:04 pm

summitclaret wrote:You have totally missed my point. I was talking about an interim pm. Someone bot associated with the shambles of the cabinet. There is not time for a tory members' ballot atm.
I may well have missed your actual point, but my reply is equally valid.
An interim PM, would obviously have to be someone high ranking who could command a majority in a simple vote of Parliamentary MPs.
It would almost certainly be Lidington, though historically you would expect it to be either the Chancellor (Hammond), the Foreign Sec. (Hunt), or the Home Sec. (Javid), so you still get the same result.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by summitclaret » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:11 pm

You may be right on the candidates for a permanent ballot. However in any situation Liddington is a remainer lightweight and i can see why you would like him as pm

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:13 pm

summitclaret wrote:You may be right on the candidates for a permanent ballot. However in any situation Liddington is a remainer lightweight and i can see why you would like him as pm
It’s not a case of wanting, it’s a case of what’s allowed.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by summitclaret » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:14 pm

It's all unravelling now. Chec republic really worried about sales of Skodas. Like I said Leaders are what matters not unelected ***** like Juncker.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:17 pm

summitclaret wrote:It's all unravelling now. Chec republic really worried about sales of Skodas. Like I said Leaders are what matters not unelected ***** like Juncker.
What exactly is unraveling? We know the EU don’t want no deal. They haven’t offered any concession on the WA and it looks like if we want an extension longer than 5 weeks we’ll have to hold european elections. A long delay also increases the chance of Brexit not happening.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by summitclaret » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:18 pm

It's taking ages for the we are all as one to agree. Love it. Maybe just maybe Davies et al were right about all along. Move on tbe trapstop you mafia.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by summitclaret » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:20 pm

Bring on the euro elections. The Brexit party will smash it.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:23 pm

summitclaret wrote:It's taking ages for the we are all as one to agree. Love it. Maybe just maybe Davies et al were right about all along. Move on tbe trapstop you mafia.
It’s called taking account of everyone’s views and achieving a consensus. You probably don’t recognise it as we haven’t seen it in this country for a long, long time.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by CombatClaret » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:23 pm

summitclaret wrote:Of course we will survive but it won't be pretty.
I don't remember that one the side of a bus.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by summitclaret » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:26 pm

I was talking about BFC !!!
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:27 pm

:lol: This brexiteer gets extremely angry when Shelagh offers to explain why what he's just said is wrong. He hangs up in a rage in case his bullshit might get exposed to him as bullshit.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/ ... e-fogarty/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by nil_desperandum » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:31 pm

summitclaret wrote:Bring on the euro elections. The Brexit party will smash it.
How can you be so sure?
It's a PR system not FPTP and the remain vote is pretty energised at present.
Tory, UKip and Brexit Party would all be dividing leavers.
(This is why May and the Tories are so desperate to avoid these elections).

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by CombatClaret » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:35 pm

summitclaret wrote:Just found out that the EU are intending to allocate our seats to the other countries rather than have fewer. More snouts in the trough when they could have saved money. Typical EU.
If your entire system is based on having X number of seats what do you expect, ebay the chairs?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by nil_desperandum » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:37 pm

summitclaret wrote:You may be right on the candidates for a permanent ballot. However in any situation Liddington is a remainer lightweight and i can see why you would like him as pm
I didn't say that I would like him, but he is at least a pragmatist and has some respect across the house. I also think that he is a statesman, (unlike e.g. Johnson, Davies or Corbyn) and would command some respect if he represented the UK at talks.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by CombatClaret » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:40 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote::lol: This brexiteer gets extremely angry when Shelagh offers to explain why what he's just said is wrong. He hangs up in a rage in case his bullshit might get exposed to him as bullshit.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/ ... e-fogarty/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"We answered a simple question"

There in lies the rub, It wasn't simple and neither was the answer. Lied to.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by summitclaret » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:42 pm

There will be virtually zero votes for tory and nil for the now clearly racist UKIP. In view of Farage's very clear condemnation of islamaphobia today I will be voting for the brexit party in any euro election.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by summitclaret » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:45 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:I didn't say that I would like him, but he is at least a pragmatist and has some respect across the house. I also think that he is a statesman, (unlike e.g. Johnson, Davies or Corbyn) and would command some respect if he represented the UK at talks.
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what we need right now is toughness IDS has it he really has. Not a good permanent pm but right now he is.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by SmudgetheClaret » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:45 pm

More bad news for the EU..

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/0 ... -election/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:51 pm

Sharing a fake news site as "bad news" probably isn't having the effect that you think it has.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:55 pm

Methinks a 3 way poll will be coming up in the coming weeks:

A) May’s deal
B) No deal on May 7th
C) Extend A50 until Dec 30th

That is the choice facing MPs, and they will have a steer from the people before making it.

For what it is worth, I expect the poll (but not the MPs vote) to be evenly spread three ways. May will then say only a minority want to extend beyond May (the month, not the PM) and she will put B to the Commons, saying it is B if it is voted down.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Mar 21, 2019 8:58 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:Methinks a 3 way poll will be coming up in the coming weeks:

A) May’s deal
B) No deal on May 7th
C) Extend A50 until Dec 30th

That is the choice facing MPs, and they will have a steer from the people before making it.

For what it is worth, I expect the poll (but not the MPs vote) to be evenly spread three ways. May will then say only a minority want to extend beyond May (the month, not the PM) and she will put B to the Commons, saying it is B if it is voted down.

Still desperately trying to ignore the reality that most people don't want us to Leave the EU any more, eh Crosspool?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:00 pm

Think if she comes back from Brussels with an agreement, then "No Deal" is totally dead.

Which would swing the ERG behind the deal, but the attitude of the DUP becomes crucial.

If another plan is found that doesn't have any separation of UK/NI, then they might back it, and that could include Lab/Lib Dem/SNP/others plans as well.

Got to be honest, think its a good compromise from the EU here. No one wants a "No Deal" and this avoids it and give the UK plenty of leeway to find its way out of the EU.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by summitclaret » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:03 pm

She really needs to go on the offensive tonight to get movement on the trapstop. Ireland is shitting it about no deal. Push push push

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:06 pm

Where are you getting that from?

The backstop is not going to move.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:10 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Where are you getting that from?

The backstop is not going to move.
They have their delusions and god dammit they're gonna stick to 'em.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:10 pm

Gentle reminder of the reality of what we are doing here

https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/11 ... 0228913152" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by summitclaret » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:16 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Where are you getting that from?

The backstop is not going to move.
I am saying that some countries will move on the backstop now they and not the EC A are in control. So far it's been the EC in the driving seat. Now that the leaders see the reality on their economies they will demand movement. All they need to do is move on the false traps top and give us a level playing field in the trade discussion.
Ion

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:19 pm

But they won't, because without the backstop there is no point to that agreement from the EUs point of view.

This deal is actually pretty good for May as well. it gives her plan a chance.

I mean, it would have helped if she hadn't gone all banana republic president last night but still

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by keith1879 » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:25 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote::lol: This brexiteer gets extremely angry when Shelagh offers to explain why what he's just said is wrong. He hangs up in a rage in case his bullshit might get exposed to him as bullshit.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/ ... e-fogarty/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Some of the comments on the thread below make the right wingers on here look almost reasonable. Almost.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Darthlaw » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:26 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Gentle reminder of the reality of what we are doing here

https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/11 ... 0228913152" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
i don’t get it :?

So we’re blasting Theresa May to a random hotel on a minor street in Brussels and expecting the locals to be gutted we’re leaving?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:31 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:Methinks a 3 way poll will be coming up in the coming weeks:

A) May’s deal
B) No deal on May 7th
C) Extend A50 until Dec 30th

That is the choice facing MPs, and they will have a steer from the people before making it.

For what it is worth, I expect the poll (but not the MPs vote) to be evenly spread three ways. May will then say only a minority want to extend beyond May (the month, not the PM) and she will put B to the Commons, saying it is B if it is voted down.
Except if the offer is as has been reported tonight we only have until April 11th to agree to an end of the year extension. That’s three weeks away.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:33 pm

A not so gentle reminder of how our MP's got us here............

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NyixQ54vS8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Mar 21, 2019 9:35 pm

A not so gentle reminder of how Brextremists react to people making decisions they don't like. Thankfully in this instance the neanderthal was able to restrain himself a bit.

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/1751877 ... er-brexit/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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