Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020

[Jakubclaret]

Find me a post where you state you don’t believe something he’s said and I’ll happily retract my statement.

Well Tommy Robinson says lots of things, maybe it could be wiser to not assume, I shouldn’t have to prove something I haven’t said, it’s upto you to prove I have said this.

[Greenmile]

Well Tommy Robinson says lots of things, maybe it could be wiser to not assume, I shouldn’t have to prove something I haven’t said, it’s upto you to prove I have said this.

You can’t, can you?

[Jakubclaret]

You can’t, can you?

So it’s upto me now to prove to you to that I don’t believe everything Tommy Robinson says despite you claiming weirdly that I do, that is very strange.

[Greenmile]

So it’s upto me now to prove to you to that I don’t believe everything Tommy Robinson says despite you claiming weirdly that I do, that is very strange.

I’ve provided my evidence. I’m just asking if you have any evidence to counter it. You don’t, obviously.

Edit - here’s some more

http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... =2&t=29254" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Jakubclaret]

I’ve provided my evidence. I’m just asking if you have any evidence to counter it. You don’t, obviously.

Evidence you’ve provided threads on old TR posts where I’ve said he’s a likeable chap & misunderstood & nothing to suggest that everything comes out of mouth is gospel which i allegedly believe, I’d get to work, I won’t be countering your nonsense any longer.

[Greenmile]

Evidence you’ve provided threads on old TR posts where I’ve said he’s a likeable chap & misunderstood & nothing to suggest that everything comes out of mouth is gospel which i allegedly believe, I’d get to work, I won’t be countering your nonsense any longer.

Because you can’t.

[Lancasterclaret]

Ah yeah,Mr Selmayr.
You remainers have kept quiet about him..

Can't recall where but I've read somewhere that he has big plans for the UK ......none of them to our advantage though.

Any of you remainers care to enlighten us on this chap?

Probably not really worth pointing out to you that the EU is made up of lots of different countries, with lots of different ideas of how to proceed, and that is reflected in the make up of the EU hierarchy.

"The EU are sticking together" roughly translates as "Merkel has decided"

That would be true if the EU was run by Germany. As it isn't, then its not. Its not in the interests of the 27 for us to leave on a No Deal or to put too much pressure on us.

We've got another chance to sort this, so we'd better take the oppurtunity

[SmudgetheClaret]

If any remainer was in doubt that this once great self determined country is now completely subservient to the globalist mafia the doubt should of disappeared last night ..

the only saving grace is the genie is well and truly out of the bottle and the whole country can see it,expect some massive political changes
starting with the euros..bring it on

[JohnMcGreal]

So after a short meeting with Tusk yesterday we had to sit outside in the corridor while 27 other countries decided what to do with us.

All this control we're taking back. It feels so good.

[claretonthecoast1882]

So after a short meeting with Tusk yesterday we had to sit outside in the corridor while 27 other countries decided what to do with us.

All this control we're taking back. It feels so good.

In fairness if someone on here points out something that was said would happen in the event of leaving and hasn't happened you would be one of the first to say we haven't left yet. Surely that works both ways or was it claimed before leaving they would take back control ?

[martin_p]

If any remainer was in doubt that this once great self determined country is now completely subservient to the globalist mafia the doubt should of disappeared last night ..

the only saving grace is the genie is well and truly out of the bottle and the whole country can see it,expect some massive political changes
starting with the euros..bring it on

Far more people will blame the government than the Eau for this mess, mainly because it’s the government’s fault.

[JohnMcGreal]

In fairness if someone on here points out something that was said would happen in the event of leaving and hasn't happened you would be one of the first to say we haven't left yet. Surely that works both ways or was it claimed before leaving they would take back control ?

We're at the final stage of the process and last night is just a glimpse of what our future will look like. Out of power. Out of the rooms where key decisions are made. Our fate in the hands of other countries, and not just EU states.

It's absolutely criminal that we've reduced ourselves to this. And what for? It's a travesty.

[Imploding Turtle]

We're at the final stage of the process and last night is just a glimpse of what our future will look like. Out of power. Out of the rooms where key decisions are made. Our fate in the hands of other countries, and not just EU states.

It's absolutely criminal that we've reduced ourselves to this. And what for? It's a travesty.

It's a hilarious travesty.

[Lancasterclaret]

*messing about on phone, duplicate post*

[Rick_Muller]

This is what happens when you ignore common sense and try to please people instead of doing what’s right

[CrosspoolClarets]

This room where the big decision was made was one containing 27 leaders who were all handed a sealed envelope, inside which was their instruction on how to proceed. They debated it a bit, then went with the contents of the envelope. There were also occasions when Varadkar was told in no uncertain terms that the threat to Ireland of no deal did not warrant making the deadline June 30th (which he wanted).

Whereas we were free, had we chose, to leave in 7 days and 13.5 hours time.

So I would question which country has no power, and no control. Weak leadership certainly, but that is one problem that independence would eventually fix.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

So after a short meeting with Tusk yesterday we had to sit outside in the corridor while 27 other countries decided what to do with us.

All this control we're taking back. It feels so good.

So you'd rather the opposition was in the room whilst you're chatting about them, thus giving away important information they could use?

Ok...

[Lancasterclaret]

This room where the big decision was made was one containing 27 leaders who were all handed a sealed envelope, inside which was their instruction on how to proceed. They debated it a bit, then went with the contents of the envelope. There were also occasions when Varadkar was told in no uncertain terms that the threat to Ireland of no deal did not warrant making the deadline June 30th (which he wanted).

Source?

[Lancasterclaret]

So you'd rather the opposition was in the room whilst you're chatting about them, thus giving away important information they could use?

Ok..

You are completely missing the point being made.

[RingoMcCartney]

So you'd rather the opposition was in the room whilst you're chatting about them, thus giving away important information they could use?

Ok...

Who needs May in the room when you've got Grieve, Starmer, Clegg, Adonis and Tony "war criminal" Bliar.?

[Lancasterclaret]

Are they in the room?

Huge if true

[martin_p]

This room where the big decision was made was one containing 27 leaders who were all handed a sealed envelope, inside which was their instruction on how to proceed. They debated it a bit, then went with the contents of the envelope. There were also occasions when Varadkar was told in no uncertain terms that the threat to Ireland of no deal did not warrant making the deadline June 30th (which he wanted).

Whereas we were free, had we chose, to leave in 7 days and 13.5 hours time.

So I would question which country has no power, and no control. Weak leadership certainly, but that is one problem that independence would eventually fix.

Putting aside your other points, why will leaving the EU fix the problem of weak leadership?

[RingoMcCartney]

Are they in the room?

Huge if true

Huge!?

Where've you been all seeing political behemoth?

Common knowledge.

"Clegg leads pro-remain grandees on diplomatic mission to stop Brexit"

"Tony Blair and John Major aim to persuade European leaders that Britain can stay in EU"


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... top-brexit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Mr Corbyn was joined by shadow Brexit secretary Sir Keir Starmer for the talks,"


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45660640" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Brexit: Nick Clegg, Ken Clarke and Lord Adonis visit Barnier"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41807472" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... on-HQ.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Tory rebel Dominic Grieve insists he’s not out to destroy Brexit. So what was he doing addressing a secretive meeting in the EU’s London HQ of those plotting to reverse it?"

"Remainer Grieve 'to meet with Macron's government to discuss Brexit delay'by Westmonster"

https://www.westmonster.com/remainer-gr ... xit-delay/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Dominic Grieve hosts French minister for Brexit discussions on Article 50 and second referendum"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... s-article/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Treasonous duplicitous and treacherous rats.

[martin_p]

Jacob Rees-Mogg and his ERG cronies have always been Remain's best chance of stopping Brexit.

[Lancasterclaret]

You said they were in the room Ringo

Was that a lie?

(I'm dropping down a level of debate here to make a point)

[CrosspoolClarets]

Lancaster - source, The Times.

Martin - generally, in over 20 years of working at or close to board level, I have observed that the more autonomy a post has, the better leaders are attracted to it. I have no doubts this would be the same.

[Mala591]

A 'partial Brexit' is now the most likely outcome.

In the customs union
Closely aligned to the single market (but not in it)
Independent immigration, agriculture and fisheries policies

We will have to forfeit international trade deals

As long as we can have an independent immigration policy then it might be acceptable to leave voters.

But then again maybe not...

[Devils_Advocate]

You said they were in the room Ringo

Was that a lie?

(I'm dropping down a level of debate here to make a point)

You've got a lot of levels to go yet to reach Ringo's basement speakeasy

[martin_p]

Lancaster - source, The Times.

Martin - generally, in over 20 years of working at or close to board level, I have observed that the more autonomy a post has, the better leaders are attracted to it. I have no doubts this would be the same.

I don't think the rules that apply in business apply in the world of politics. You have to be a particular type of person to who want to be PM. Besides, at the moment it's her own party that are restricting her autonomy, not the EU.

[Lancasterclaret]

Lancaster - source, The Times.

Got a link Crosspool?

[TheFamilyCat]

As long as we can have an independent immigration policy then it might be acceptable to leave voters.

Shhh, that’s not why you all voted to leave, remember.

[RingoMcCartney]

You said they were in the room Ringo

Was that a lie?

(I'm dropping down a level of debate here to make a point)

Did I specify which room?

I'm assuming that when Adonis, Blair, Clarke, Starmer, Clegg and Grieve met various EU officials to plot against democracy, they chose not to conduct the treasonous talks in a field......

You don't even need to be in the room. Have telecommunications not reached middle class leafy villages yet.

Thanks for climbing down the ladder from your ivory tower.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

You are completely missing the point being made.

Explain away then.

From the comment it appeared they were moaning May couldn't sit in the room whilst the EU discussed what to do next...

[Lancasterclaret]

Did I specify which room?

I'm assuming that when Adonis, Blair, Clarke, Starmer, Clegg and Grieve met various EU officials to plot against democracy, they chose not to conduct the treasonous talks in a field......

You don't even need to be in the room. Have telecommunications not reached middle class leafy villages yet.

Thanks for climbing down the ladder from your ivory tower.

*Drops down some more levels*

*THINKS **** IT, HE'S SO DENSE HE DOESN'T GET IT*

*and climbs back up to the normal debating level*

[Lancasterclaret]

From the comment it appeared they were moaning May couldn't sit in the room whilst the EU discussed what to do next...

Not the way I read it

Its more of a moan that its got the stage where we no longer control our own future.

The EU have to grant us an extension for us to avoid blowing both our feet off.

[Jakubclaret]

We hardly had any control over our future before, what a sad pitiful excuse we've become, reduced to the abnormal concept of waiting for the approval of 27 other members for a wish to be granted, if that doesn't tell you something isn't right nothing ever will.

[Tall Paul]

We hardly had any control over our future before, what a sad pitiful excuse we've become, reduced to the abnormal concept of waiting for the approval of 27 other members for a wish to be granted, if that doesn't tell you something isn't right nothing ever will.

If only we could have a seat at the table where these sort of decisions are made...

[Jakubclaret]

If only we could have a seat at the table where these sort of decisions are made...

We did & for all the good it did for us. How about the concept that we could actually be capable of actually deciding something for ourselves, I guess when you've been doing something for that long you become conditioned not to think independently.

[TheFamilyCat]

We did & for all the good it did for us. How about the concept that we could actually be capable of actually deciding something for ourselves, I guess when you've been doing something for that long you become conditioned not to think independently.

You may have missed it but we have had a go of deciding it for ourselves. We couldn’t.

[Jakubclaret]

You may have missed it but we have had a go of deciding it for ourselves. We couldn’t.

We did on the 23rd June 2016 I'm not sure what else you could be referring to?

[martin_p]

The Brexit minister speaking in n the HoC is refusing to confirm that the next meaningful vote will take place on Monday as promised. More can kicking.

The Tory party needs some real leadership to stop this shambles now. The cabinet should resign on mass and MPss threaten to resign. Theresa May needs bringing down now before she does irreversible damage to the country.

[RingoMcCartney]

*Drops down some more levels*

*THINKS **** IT, HE'S SO DENSE HE DOESN'T GET IT*

*and climbs back up to the normal debating level*

Just as last week when you avoided defending Dominic Grieve having parallel rival discussions, by zooming in and obsessing with the fact that the source I used was The Sun. You've now gone tangential on the word "room"

Remoaner tactic - avoid defending the indefensible by either playing the man, use as much evasive, beating about the irrelevant bush as possible. Or mud sling using "racist" and "homophobe" if push comes to shove. Retreat back to kept in clover holier than thou, self affirming echo chamber.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Not the way I read it

Its more of a moan that its got the stage where we no longer control our own future.

The EU have to grant us an extension for us to avoid blowing both our feet off.

So instead of seeing it logically from a normal negotiation point, you're jumping off the deep end instead.

Now I understand your comment about me missing the point, when really we are looking at the same thing in different ways

[IanMcL]

House prices flattened? Good. They need to remain stable for years; if they do, then the first time buyers will more easily make a start in the market, the people who already own one house become neither richer nor poorer, and the people who own two or more will get poorer because their asset doesn't go up with inflation. We don't want house prices to fall because that leads to debt problems for people with mortgages; but we don't want them to rise.

At least, that's my view from right of centre. Doesn't the left of centre agree?

I think it was actually negative but did not wish to over sell! I agree that inflation would be a correct increase, in house prices. Nothing wrong with rental, at the right price.

[Lancasterclaret]

Yeah Ringo

Little bit of self awareness training here

Now who else obsesses about single words in posts? Who else?

[Lancasterclaret]

So instead of seeing it logically from a normal negotiation point, you're jumping off the deep end instead.

Now I understand your comment about me missing the point, when really we are looking at the same thing in different ways

Well, if you want me to agree that its daft that we should expect to be in the room at this stage, then yes it is.

But again, I don't think that was the point being made.

Its more to do with the decisions we have (or more likely haven't!) made that got us to this stage.

[AndyClaret]

Seen on twitter earlier.

[RingoMcCartney]

Yeah Ringo

Little bit of self awareness training here

Now who else obsesses about single words in posts? Who else?

"Homophobic"and "racist" two words you accused me of being.

Any proof yet?

Somebody even threw in "misogynistic" yesterday. Unsurprisingly, no proof.

[RingoMcCartney]

Seen on twitter earlier.

In the usurping of democracy, being ghoulish is allowed. Apparently.

[martin_p]

Seen on twitter earlier.

Wouldn’t pay too much attention to that, I can see at least three Russians and a North Korean on there. Fake news!!