Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:07 pm

Yeah Ringo

Now, back to the self awareness training

Now who else obsesses over single words in posts? Who else?

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:12 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:We did on the 23rd June 2016 I'm not sure what else you could be referring to?

As you’re boasting that “the people decided” then it’s probably best to remind you that on 8th June 2017 they decided again, this time to trust Teresa May to lead this.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:13 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:We hardly had any control over our future before, what a sad pitiful excuse we've become, reduced to the abnormal concept of waiting for the approval of 27 other members for a wish to be granted, if that doesn't tell you something isn't right nothing ever will.

Remind us all again how many times we lost votes at the EU.
Was it something like 50 times out of 2,500.
Not to mention our veto, which of course we will most likely lose if we are actually stupid enough to leave briefly and then apply to rejoin.
Can you incidentally name anything that we voted against that has affected your life?

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:17 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:"Homophobic"and "racist" two words you accused me of being.

Any proof yet?
.

It's difficult to find evidence in posts that the MODs had to delete, but for the sake of clarity and to help clear your name, would be able to enlighten us as to why one thread after last season's Brighton game was deleted and you coincidentally "disappeared" from the site for a while after that?

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:26 pm

The question I keep asking myself is this:

Is Brexit in any form that is on the table, whether it is May's deal or No deal WTO rules, anything like what was promised by the Leave campaign? If it is not (which it isn't) then why the f#ck are we as a country proceeding with this charade and continuing because its "the will of the people" - It's not the will of the people is it...? anyone who claims it is must be seriously deluded.

For the record, and I have confessed my sins and explained my reasons for doing so previously on this forum, I voted Leave. I did not vote for no deal Brexit under WTO rules, nor did I vote for May's version of leave.

As a pragmatist, I would suggest that revoking Article 50 would be a sensible option. We then return to the status quo in regards to EU membership and as a country get our political act together (hopefully!), and rid the Tory's of May; rid Labour of Corbyn and have a General Election where the parties can outline their position in relation to the EU and we can then democratically decide, with an informed view (what we were all lacking previously) how we want our country run - please dont give me this "ahh, but we had a democratic vote and we voted to leave" read my comments above for what I think about that.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:32 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Yeah Ringo

Now, back to the self awareness training

Now who else obsesses over single words in posts? Who else?

Arrange these words.

Evasive proof stop homophobic being your racist where's I'm.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:36 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:It's difficult to find evidence in posts that the MODs had to delete, but for the sake of clarity and to help clear your name, would be able to enlighten us as to why one thread after last season's Brighton game was deleted and you coincidentally "disappeared" from the site for a while after that?

"Clear my name!?"

Haha!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:38 pm

Yeah Ringo

Now, back to the self awareness training

Now who else obsesses over single words in posts? Who else?

Mala591 · Post by **Mala591** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:49 pm

Rick_Muller wrote:
For the record, and I have confessed my sins and explained my reasons for doing so previously on this forum, I voted Leave. I did not vote for no deal Brexit under WTO rules, nor did I vote for May's.

Did you vote for:
Independent international trade policy
Independent agricultural and fisheries policy
Independence from European Court of Justice
Independent immigration policy

If yes then you voted for May's deal because that is what it will deliver.

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:49 pm

I wonder if Theresa May will be throwing a party at Chequers this weekend to celebrate her last week as the worst Prime Minister we've ever had...

...and the DEATH OF BREXIT!

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:51 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Yeah Ringo

Now, back to the self awareness training

Now who else obsesses over single words in posts? Who else?

When people claim they have "evidence" of an event that hasn't happened yet and may never happen, and are given ample opportunity to provide it yet fail. Don't have a pop at me , have go at them for being unable to have the courage of their convictions and provide examples.

Talking of which. "Racist" and "homophobic" any joy ?

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:00 pm

Mala591 wrote:Did you vote for:
Independent international trade policy
Independent agricultural and fisheries policy
Independence from European Court of Justice
Independent immigration policy

If yes then you voted for May's deal because that is what it will deliver.

Nope, none of the above directly. I admit I was influenced by social media campaigns which attacked immigrants - things like "Eastern Europeans are getting free social housing" etc, when I was faced with housing issues myself; I took the £350M bus message with a pinch of salt, but still I was influenced by it because I am on long term NHS care; taking control of our sovereignty was an issue too, but what exactly is control - do we actually have it now or will we? (genuine question!); I partially wanted to f#ck over David Cameron too and my vote was partially a protest vote against the Tory leadership and in all honesty I never expected Leave to win, how wrong was I eh, hence my wish for pragmatism now.

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:02 pm

Mala591 wrote:Did you vote for:
Independent international trade policy
Independent agricultural and fisheries policy
Independence from European Court of Justice
Independent immigration policy

If yes then you voted for May's deal because that is what it *will deliver.

*won't

May's deal is as done as she is, in fact her deal is one mighty nail in her coffin that half of the Tory party will gladly knock in next week.

The EU played a blinder, they ensured the Brexit process will survive beyond May, the best you can hope for is the softest of Brexits, a Brexit-in-name-only: including a customs union, the other remaining options being no Brexit or second referendum/general election, both of which result in no brexit.

You may also get the added bonus of watching the Tory party split in half next week when May resigns/is kicked out.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:05 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Well, if you want me to agree that its daft that we should expect to be in the room at this stage, then yes it is.

But again, I don't think that was the point being made.

Its more to do with the decisions we have (or more likely haven't!) made that got us to this stage.

As a country we voted to leave, that's what has got us to this stage

Glad we got there with the rest of the comment though.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:28 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:"Clear my name!?"

Haha!

You're not denying then that you "disappeared" from this site for a while after the Brighton thread was pulled due to homophobic comments? (or why you "disappeared")
Fair enough.

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:33 pm

AndyClaret wrote:Seen on twitter earlier.

Yes they may be dead but i bet they have left a nice little estate to their families whereas the parent basement dwelling
tosser who posted that will never have nothing..

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:36 pm

Here we go
http://news.sky.com/story/plan-for-mps- ... n-11672593" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:40 pm

Which makes sense but she has promised this before.

MPs have to take control of the process to guarantee that we get agreement on something!

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:43 pm

Here are the options for next week's indicative votes...

Revoke Article 50

Second Referendum

Deal + Customs Union

Deal + Customs Union + Single Market

FTA

This is AWESOME! Basically you either revoke Article 50, have a second referendum or become a colony of the EU.

Oh how the mighty have fallen!

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:45 pm

A standard free trade agreement for me as it is clearly what the country voted for. It will obviously be something much softer that the remainer HOC wants. The closest we will now get to a proper brexit is May's deal unfortunately.

I assume that the soft options will fail on all of the key criteria of taking back control of our money, laws, borders etc.

I dare any MPs from leave constituencies to vote for revocation or a referendum. Everyone that does will be toast at the next GE.

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:47 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:Here are the options for next week's indicative votes...

Revoke Article 50

Second Referendum

Deal + Customs Union

Deal + Customs Union + Single Market

FTA

This is AWESOME! Basically you either revoke Article 50, have a second referendum or become a colony of the EU.

Oh how the mighty have fallen!

The best thing is 75% of these current MPs it will be their last vote as they will be getting shipped out

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:48 pm

And that's the NAKED TRUTH!

Taking back control has become giving up all control.

Oh please, this is too much, Monty Python's Flying Brexit, you couldn't have made this up in a million years.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:52 pm

Claret-On-A-T-Rex wrote:Here are the options for next week's indicative votes...

Revoke Article 50

Second Referendum

Deal + Customs Union

Deal + Customs Union + Single Market

FTA

This is AWESOME! Basically you either revoke Article 50, have a second referendum or become a colony of the EU.

Oh how the mighty have fallen!

I believe no deal and (unbelievably) May's Deal are on the list as well, making it seven options.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:55 pm

Custom Union + withdrawal agreement or CN/SM + withdrawal agreement will pass no problem

Nothing else will

Claret-On-A-T-Rex · Post by **Claret-On-A-T-Rex** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:01 pm

Every single option except revoking article 50 and staying in diminishes the UK.

What a joke.

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:03 pm

martin_p wrote:I believe no deal and (unbelievably) May's Deal are on the list as well, making it seven options.

Why would May's deal being an option be unbelievable? If a number of options are put forward it'd be right for that to be on the table too.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:06 pm

Of course it will unless the Tories have a 3 line whip when it might be close. However don't think they will be binding and may will use it as 1 last chance in a 4th MV on her deal.

If a CU and particularly CU plus single market gets through to be the actual final outcome there will be a
GE to try to stop it. The tories will go for a free trade agreement and labour a GU. The FTA will win as Corbyn as PM is not viable. Bring on tbe GE imo.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:14 pm

ERG will bring down the government if they don't get their way.

Only way to avoid that is to revoke Article 50.

And that doesn't save the government, but does save the country from a "No Deal" brexit.

That is the way I'm reading it, but its a pretty fluid situation to put it mildly.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:15 pm

taio wrote:Why would May's deal being an option be unbelievable? If a number of options are put forward it'd be right for that to be on the table too.

Because we already know there isn’t a consensus for May’s deal (three times by next week).

If it be your will · Post by **If it be your will** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:18 pm

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:21 pm

martin_p wrote:Because we already know there isn’t a consensus for May’s deal (three times by next week).

It would be absurd given it hasn't been voted on alongside other options and it's May's deal that the EU has agreed upon.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:24 pm

Agreed, Mays deal has to be in there.

But it isn't going to pass.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:27 pm

If it be your will wrote:Why do you want to turn the Conservative Party and Labour Party into centrist parties? There's already two of those to choose between - Lib Dems and The Independent Group. It'd hardly be democratic if the choice at the next election was between Phillip Hammond, Liz Kendall, Chuka Umunna, and Vince Cable. It'd be fine for those who walk around thinking 'Ah, yes, everything is pretty much as it should be. Let's carry on as we are.'

But who would you vote for if you actually wanted real change?

In all honesty, I have no idea. I wouldn't p!ss on most politicians if they were on fire, there are some exceptions of course but those who I have a liking for usually start out with a good ideology but then end up corrupted by the system of politics in this country. I only mentioned removing the current leaders of the main parties as a suggestion for a "fresh" start if that could ever be possible.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:28 pm

taio wrote:It would be absurd given it hasn't been voted on alongside other options and it's May's deal that the EU has agreed upon.

But isn’t the whole point to find an alternative to May’s deal?

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:40 pm

martin_p wrote:But isn’t the whole point to find an alternative to May’s deal?

I would have thought the point would be to get clarity on which option or options the HoC favours most when considering those options alongside each other.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:45 pm

martin_p wrote:But isn’t the whole point to find an alternative to May’s deal?

There is only 1 that the shower of cowards will vote for and it us a CU/SM and it us not what r5he referendum result meant. Just read Cameron's leaflet to see why we were leaving the SM if we voted leave.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:45 pm

Unless I'm massively misreading this, the ERG will risk a Corbyn government rather than accept any other Brexit plan that isn't theirs.

Nice.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:46 pm

taio wrote:I would have thought the point would be to get clarity on which option or options the HoC favours most when considering those options alongside each other.

Well yes, I do see your point. Although we’ll look even more foolish if our parliament spends a couple of months rejecting the deal only to conclude it’s the best deal!

The fact it’s a free vote will make it interesting, assuming all sides respect that.

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:03 pm

I feel this countrys second attempt at leaving the failing block will be less polite...

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:06 pm

Threats like that just increase remain support.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:09 pm

Remain petition - 2,940,431
Leave petition - 392, 666

As of 10 am today

MPs are weather vanes in the main, apart from the real fanatics, and this kind of stuff will have an effect.

Add that to the march tomorrow, and the poor handful straggling through Yorkshire at the moment......

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:12 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Remain petition - 2,940,431
Leave petition - 392, 666

As of 10 am today

MPs are weather vanes in the main, apart from the real fanatics, and this kind of stuff will have an effect.

Add that to the march tomorrow, and the poor handful straggling through Yorkshire at the moment......

theres a bit less effort needed for a petition plus word has there are 100s of thousands of bogus foreign signatures
just like the last one at the 2016 vote corrupt leftists will always be that..

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:14 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Remain petition - 2,940,431
Leave petition - 392, 666

As of 10 am today

MPs are weather vanes in the main, apart from the real fanatics, and this kind of stuff will have an effect.

Add that to the march tomorrow, and the poor handful straggling through Yorkshire at the moment......

In fairness the older generation aren’t very tech savvy & some don’t even have a mobile phone, a completely different era when you wanted to speak to someone you just knocked on the door as simple as that, Facebook, Twitter, snap chatting just isn’t done.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:14 pm

Smudge, I've seen the evidence for that.

Its so weak its untrue.

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:23 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Smudge, I've seen the evidence for that.

Its so weak its untrue.

what did they say last time 5/6 million ? did it make any difference ? no
the one you want to watch is the Brexit Party now that is gaining massive support Brussels is going to be full
of nationalists add that to Italy Hungary France and now holland and it starts to look interesting...

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:24 pm

Farage says its going really well.

Good job he's not prone to exaggeration and hyperbole eh?

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:26 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Farage says its going really well.

Good job he's not prone to exaggeration and hyperbole eh?

what like Osbourne ?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:29 pm

Okay, show me how many members are going to vote for the Brexit Party?

I'm looking at a march with 30+ people in.

Hard to think that you might be exaggerating a bit.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:30 pm

The latest embarrassment is up online:

https://twitter.com/snb19692/status/1108449360222842880" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 3:31 pm

He's back!

Thank God!

He always turns up when Brexit is going spectacularly down the pan.

My faith in this going absolutely pear shaped is restored!