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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by TheFamilyCat » Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:37 pm

SmudgetheClaret wrote:Try telling that to fishermen who havent worked for decades and live a miserable existance then again you dont give arats arse do you ?
Can you let me know what this has to do with the post of mine that you quoted?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by SmudgetheClaret » Fri Mar 22, 2019 6:55 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Can you let me know what this has to do with the post of mine that you quoted?
Not sure probably got it wrong Marxists attacking from all sides ..

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Steve1956 » Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:00 pm

SmudgetheClaret wrote:who the hell is that ? i recognise the mass murderer but the other is defo pedo material..
Campbell really is a twaatt,he doesn't have to say anything,you can just tell hes a twwwaatt
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Damo » Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:03 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I'm fairly sure there wasn't a months long campaign to get people to click on a link.

But hey, pretending your dumb thinking was sound logic for a second, then clearly people aren't that interested in Leaving the EU any more given how few people can be bothered to "click on a link".
We dont need a petition to leave the EU.
There was an actual meaningful vote for that
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by evensteadiereddie » Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:17 pm

Aye and that went well, didn't it ?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:18 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:Aye and that went well, didn't it ?
Leave won so it went well for them.

Just need to actually get the job done now and bugger off.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Damo » Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:19 pm

I think it did yeah. I'm guessing by your tone, you dont?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Damo » Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:40 pm

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:41 pm

SmudgetheClaret wrote:It's the ballot box you need to be frightened off ...
No it's not. What frightens me is the number of people who willingly accept lies and disinformation, and the number of people who call me a traitor for having an opposing opinion and being vocal with it.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:42 pm

Damo wrote:We dont need a petition to leave the EU.
There was an actual meaningful vote for that

And we've changed our mind, and polling has consistently shown for a long time now. So when you think about it, it's actually your lot who are frightened of a ballot box potentially affirming those polls that show our mind has changed. Such anti-democrats that you are.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Damo » Fri Mar 22, 2019 7:47 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:And we've changed our mind, and polling has consistently shown for a long time now. So when you think about it, it's actually your lot who are frightened of a ballot box potentially affirming those polls that show our mind has changed. Such anti-democrats that you are.
In quite happy for there to be another vote once the result of this one has been implemented
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Right_winger » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:02 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:And we've changed our mind, and polling has consistently shown for a long time now. So when you think about it, it's actually your lot who are frightened of a ballot box potentially affirming those polls that show our mind has changed. Such anti-democrats that you are.
Yeah and when was the last time an opinion poll was accurate?

Bit like this online petition. All that’s required is a valid email address to sign it.. just wow.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by SmudgetheClaret » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:05 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:And we've changed our mind, and polling has consistently shown for a long time now. So when you think about it, it's actually your lot who are frightened of a ballot box potentially affirming those polls that show our mind has changed. Such anti-democrats that you are.

How do you mean WE have changed OUR mind your a remainer so your now for leave yes ? WE haven't changed our minds as confirmed by John Curtis super pollster..

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by SmudgetheClaret » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:09 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:No it's not. What frightens me is the number of people who willingly accept lies and disinformation, and the number of people who call me a traitor for having an opposing opinion and being vocal with it.
They call you a traitor as your undemocratic and you hate the UK..

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:10 pm

Damo wrote:In quite happy for there to be another vote once the result of this one has been implemented
He says in bad faith knowing that it would be impossible for readmittance into the EU to be on the current terms, or in any kind of reasonable timeframe that avoids all the reasons for having a second vote in the first place.

Do you honestly think you're fooling anyone? Remainers generally aren't as gullible as you lot.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:11 pm

SmudgetheClaret wrote:They call you a traitor as your undemocratic and you hate the UK..
Neither of those is true, but then you've never been close to the truth about much, have you?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:14 pm

Right_winger wrote:Yeah and when was the last time an opinion poll was accurate?

Bit like this online petition. All that’s required is a valid email address to sign it.. just wow.
Nigel Farage and his mates had private polling done for the referendum and made a killing on the day of it based on that polling. So it's pretty funny to see his useful idiots talk **** about the accuracy of polling all the while his investment banker friends risk millions of quid on it being accurate, and making millions because it generally is.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by TheFamilyCat » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:21 pm

SmudgetheClaret wrote:Not sure probably got it wrong Marxists attacking from all sides ..
You are either an outstanding parody account, a paranoid lunatic or drunk.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:29 pm

Right_winger wrote:Yeah and when was the last time an opinion poll was accurate?

Bit like this online petition. All that’s required is a valid email address to sign it.. just wow.
I signed it 5 times using 5 email addresses just to see if it could be done. I was right.

If I was guessing it would be about 750,000 unique people signing it. Bit of a waste of time. We know there are 10m+ Remainers who will still vote Remain so what is the point?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:30 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:I signed it 5 times using 5 email addresses just to see if it could be done. I was right.

If I was guessing it would be about 750,000 unique people signing it. Bit of a waste of time. We know there are 10m+ Remainers who will still vote Remain so what is the point?
Of course it can be done. And 4 of them (maybe all 5) will be removed.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:45 pm

It's more than a bit weird how keen Brexit backers are to do there kind of things. It's almost like they are experts in creating false profiles or something....
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by taio » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:45 pm

Whether you're Remain or Brexit the petition should be seen as utterly pointless.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by TheFamilyCat » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:48 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:I signed it 5 times using 5 email addresses just to see if it could be done. I was right.

If I was guessing it would be about 750,000 unique people signing it. Bit of a waste of time. We know there are 10m+ Remainers who will still vote Remain so what is the point?
Why do you have five email addresses?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Damo » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:50 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:He says in bad faith knowing that it would be impossible for readmittance into the EU to be on the current terms, or in any kind of reasonable timeframe that avoids all the reasons for having a second vote in the first place.

Do you honestly think you're fooling anyone? Remainers generally aren't as gullible as you lot.
We didnt have a re-run of the vote when we joined the EU. We wouldn't have had a re-run had remain won this one. You wouldn't of been in favour of a re-run had Scotland voted in favour of independence.
Stop being a massive hypocrite Charlie

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by taio » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:50 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Why do you have five email addresses?
I'm sort of guessing he created at least four of them to prove his point. His point will be right.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:51 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Why do you have five email addresses?
He’s a fantasist.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Mar 22, 2019 8:58 pm

Porn at a guess

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:19 pm

Also have to be verified. But if you've used your correct one Crosspool, you've just voted to revoke article 50

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:20 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Why do you have five email addresses?
Three businesses, a gmail, a hotmail and a yahoo. That’s six, but I only used five, across three devices.

I was exploring whether there is some kind of IP check but it seems not. I was curious because the press were presumptiously suggesting it was 2m people, not 2m signatures, and it struck me as an easy way to falsify it if I was a passionate Remainer. That it proved to be easy simply showed me that the press are too fond of leaping to a conclusion to suit their cognitive bias.

I like to know whose opinion is credible, well thought through, and worth following.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:25 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Also have to be verified. But if you've used your correct one Crosspool, you've just voted to revoke article 50
I’ve clicked on the verify link for all of them, so yes, I’ve voted to revoke 5 times :D

I don’t take it too seriously. The establishment are hell bent on stopping Brexit anyway. I don’t think it will make a difference how many are on a march or a petition.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by SmudgetheClaret » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:27 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:You are either an outstanding parody account, a paranoid lunatic or drunk.
Keep these compliments coming.. :D

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by nil_desperandum » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:30 pm

taio wrote:Whether you're Remain or Brexit the petition should be seen as utterly pointless.
It's almost at 4 million after 48 hours, and is still struggling to keep up with demand. (I know a couple of people who registered this morning, but they still haven't had their email verification sent to them yet).
Most of the 4 million would seem to be genuine if you look into it. So how many signatures needed for it not to be pointless do you think?
Leadsom, the leader of the house said 17.4 million. Do you agree with her?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by taio » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:33 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:It's almost at 4 million after 48 hours, and is still struggling to keep up with demand. (I know a couple of people who registered this morning, but they still haven't had their email verification sent to them yet).
Most of the 4 million would seem to be genuine if you look into it. So how many signatures needed for it not to be pointless do you think?
Leadsom, the leader of the house said 17.4 million. Do you agree with her?
I don't care how many signatures. it's completely irrelevant.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by nil_desperandum » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:34 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:I’ve clicked on the verify link for all of them, so yes, I’ve voted to revoke 5 times :D
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So I assume you used 5 different identities as well, and sought their permission?
These programmes are pretty clever nowadays and can quite easily sniff out fraud.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by taio » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:35 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Leadsom, the leader of the house said 17.4 million. Do you agree with her?
No.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by taio » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:36 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:So I assume you used 5 different identities as well, and sought their permission?
These programmes are pretty clever nowadays and can quite easily sniff out fraud.
I've signed it three times.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by nil_desperandum » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:36 pm

taio wrote:I don't care how many signatures. it's completely irrelevant.
And Leadsom's comment on record in Hansard?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by SmudgetheClaret » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:37 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:It's almost at 4 million after 48 hours, and is still struggling to keep up with demand. (I know a couple of people who registered this morning, but they still haven't had their email verification sent to them yet).
Most of the 4 million would seem to be genuine if you look into it. So how many signatures needed for it not to be pointless do you think?
Leadsom, the leader of the house said 17.4 million. Do you agree with her?
This pointless petition seems to be getting remainers moist even the blokes .. :lol:

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by taio » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:39 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:And Leadsom's comment on record in Hansard?
What's your point?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:40 pm

CrosspoolClarets wrote:Three businesses, a gmail, a hotmail and a yahoo. That’s six, but I only used five, across three devices.

I was exploring whether there is some kind of IP check but it seems not. I was curious because the press were presumptiously suggesting it was 2m people, not 2m signatures, and it struck me as an easy way to falsify it if I was a passionate Remainer. That it proved to be easy simply showed me that the press are too fond of leaping to a conclusion to suit their cognitive bias.

I like to know whose opinion is credible, well thought through, and worth following.
Those Remoaners will stop at nothing. Here’s one Remoaner’s ‘family’ getting ready for tomorrow’s protest.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:42 pm

Basically if its on record, then its official.

if it reaches that amount, then they would have to do something about it.

At least thats what I think the ref to hansard means.

I agree that its more of a protest than anything else, but at the same time its useful to compare it to the leave campaign efforts. One hilariously badly attended march and a petition with less than a 1/10th of the remain one, and of course there is the march tomorrow.

All this will be having an effect on the MPs, especially if its a free vote.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by nil_desperandum » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:43 pm

SmudgetheClaret wrote:This pointless petition seems to be getting remainers moist even the blokes .. :lol:
I would agree that on its own the petition is pointless, but it contributes to a whole series of current events and developments that are now making the chance of the softest of brexits or even revoking (in the short term at least) seem increasingly likely.
The odds of this were really slim even 6 months ago, but the ERG's failure to work with anyone else and back anything other than "no deal" have led us to where we are.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Devils_Advocate » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:44 pm

Gotta agree the petition is pointless. Not needed as its clear to see that Brexit is a complete shambles and only sensible thing to do is to revoke Article 50 and bin it off completely
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:46 pm

The ERG are coming across really, really, really badly on the media as well.

They are refusing to compromise for the deal, and threatening to bring down the government (which will lead to more delays) if they don't get their way.

It all adds up.

If I was one of the top honchos in leave, I'd be having a emergency meeting about tactics this weekend, because this week has been a bad one for them.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by taio » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:47 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:All this will be having an effect on the MPs, especially if its a free vote.
How their constituents voted in 2016 will, not a pointless petition

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:49 pm

Why would you test it five times?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:50 pm

Well no, they will be talking to their constituencies members and getting an idea of how the wind is shifting.

I think its only in Yorkshire that support for leave hasn't wavered according to the underlying polls.

And everyone appears to see that if its a GE, Brexit just becomes another factor, not the main reason.

And you have to remember, its now mainstream that whatever deal we get is going to be worse than the one we have now. No one is hiding that anymore.

People don't like getting lied to remember.

All adds up

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:52 pm

Why would you test it five times?
By now, only one vote will have registered, the other four will have been removed.

Its all down in the t & cs

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by summitclaret » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:53 pm

There is no point trying to resist the remainer HOC. We saw last night what the EU did when threatened with no deal. MPs have made a proper brexit impossible since 23 june 2016 by removing the threat of no deal.

I will never forgive them. Anna Soubry is the new Guy Fawkes.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by taio » Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:55 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Well no, they will be talking to their constituencies members and getting an idea of how the wind is shifting.

I think its only in Yorkshire that support for leave hasn't wavered according to the underlying polls.

And everyone appears to see that if its a GE, Brexit just becomes another factor, not the main reason.

And you have to remember, its now mainstream that whatever deal we get is going to be worse than the one we have now. No one is hiding that anymore.

People don't like getting lied to remember.

All adds up
If you trust that polls will reflect the final outcome why have you spent most of your recent life worrying about it? What did the polls say in 2016? Sadly polls are often wrong.

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