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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
I've signed it as J.C Junker
It's all irrelevant anyway. Your leader has spoken
Check out @JewishTelegraph’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/JewishTelegraph/sta ... 52065?s=09" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It's all irrelevant anyway. Your leader has spoken
Check out @JewishTelegraph’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/JewishTelegraph/sta ... 52065?s=09" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Please explain that. Complete rubbish.Lancasterclaret wrote:By now, only one vote will have registered, the other four will have been removed.
Its all down in the t & cs
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Going of what I've read taio.
They estimate that 95% of all votes on these things are iffy (thats the official petitions website)
I'll try to find a link (looking at it this aft and its long gone!)
They estimate that 95% of all votes on these things are iffy (thats the official petitions website)
I'll try to find a link (looking at it this aft and its long gone!)
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
This one
https://twitter.com/HoCpetitions/status ... 1180227584" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://twitter.com/HoCpetitions/status ... 1180227584" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
I'd be interested to know how you think it's not possible to sign the petition four times.Lancasterclaret wrote:Going of what I've read taio.
They estimate that 95% of all votes on these things are iffy (thats the official petitions website)
I'll try to find a link (looking at it this aft and its long gone!)
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
There is literally nothing that says it's anything other than one vote per email.
Anyone saying votes will be deleted is being really silly as per usual.
Anyone saying votes will be deleted is being really silly as per usual.
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Vague and meaningless.Lancasterclaret wrote:This one
https://twitter.com/HoCpetitions/status ... 1180227584" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Damo, just retweeted this zinger on twitter
"Spend all my life trying to write comedy and I’ll never write anything as funny as “Prime Minister, I predicted your victory when I showed you Winston Churchill’s spoon on my Cadillac, which I asked you to touch”.
"Spend all my life trying to write comedy and I’ll never write anything as funny as “Prime Minister, I predicted your victory when I showed you Winston Churchill’s spoon on my Cadillac, which I asked you to touch”.
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
That doesn't back up your claim in the slightest sorryLancasterclaret wrote:This one
https://twitter.com/HoCpetitions/status ... 1180227584" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
****, I only went and found the official twitter feed of the petitions committee but thats "vague and meaningless"Vague and meaningless.
For example, I'd be amazed if five e-mail addresses from the same location wouldn't trigger any simple checking device.
But no, its got to be fixed.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
"in the slightest"That doesn't back up your claim in the slightest sorry
It does actually.
Do I know for sure that CC e-mails have been deleted? No
Can I make a reasonable assumption that they have? Yes
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
And the important point is here is that a lot of people have bothered their arse signing it.
You can ignore it if you so wish, but I'm not sure all MPs will, and this could be sorted down to one or two votes.
Which is why I think its important.
Quick question, if it was so easy to game, why is the leave one 3.5 million votes behind?
You can ignore it if you so wish, but I'm not sure all MPs will, and this could be sorted down to one or two votes.
Which is why I think its important.
Quick question, if it was so easy to game, why is the leave one 3.5 million votes behind?
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
The official site is, as I say, meaningless. I've signed three times and had three validation emails. it's naive in the extreme to think someone can sign it just once.Lancasterclaret wrote:****, I only went and found the official twitter feed of the petitions committee but thats "vague and meaningless"
For example, I'd be amazed if five e-mail addresses from the same location wouldn't trigger any simple checking device.
But no, its got to be fixed.
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
I don't want Brexit. But you'd have to be particularly stupid to think this petition should have a bearing on the outcome.Lancasterclaret wrote:And the important point is here is that a lot of people have bothered their arse signing it.
You can ignore it if you so wish, but I'm not sure all MPs will, and this could be sorted down to one or two votes.
Which is why I think its important.
Quick question, if it was so easy to game, why is the leave one 3.5 million votes behind?
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
On its own, completely agree, even though you are implying that you think I'm stupid!
But its that plus everything else.
It all adds up.
But its that plus everything else.
It all adds up.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Because the leave one was an actual vote, that resulted in what we have now. Not a desperate attempt at a second referendum via the medium of a pointless websiteLancasterclaret wrote:And the important point is here is that a lot of people have bothered their arse signing it.
You can ignore it if you so wish, but I'm not sure all MPs will, and this could be sorted down to one or two votes.
Which is why I think its important.
Quick question, if it was so easy to game, why is the leave one 3.5 million votes behind?
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Parody is dead mate. Reality is much more amusing, and much more outlandishLancasterclaret wrote:Damo, just retweeted this zinger on twitter
"Spend all my life trying to write comedy and I’ll never write anything as funny as “Prime Minister, I predicted your victory when I showed you Winston Churchill’s spoon on my Cadillac, which I asked you to touch”.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Which leavers have fallen over themselves to discredit
If it was ignored, I'd understand it, but there has been proper hatchet jobs on it today from all the Brexit headbangers.
I 100% get where you are coming from, but I think its bothering those in Brexit more than you are letting on*
*and i suspect a lot of that is from the shock of the reality of what happened in the EU yesterday.
If it was ignored, I'd understand it, but there has been proper hatchet jobs on it today from all the Brexit headbangers.
I 100% get where you are coming from, but I think its bothering those in Brexit more than you are letting on*
*and i suspect a lot of that is from the shock of the reality of what happened in the EU yesterday.
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You've spent the best part of three years of your life saying how messed up this country is because of our political system and democracy. If you seriously think petitions such as this should be at the heart of our governance and decision making and is what should happen then, yes, we are truly ******.Lancasterclaret wrote:On its own, completely agree, even though you are implying that you think I'm stupid!
But its that plus everything else.
It all adds up.
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Wait, what? Are Brexiters taking Uri Geller seriously? Do they think Remainers take him seriously, or something?Lancasterclaret wrote:Which leavers have fallen over themselves to discredit
If it was ignored, I'd understand it, but there has been proper hatchet jobs on it today from all the Brexit headbangers.
I 100% get where you are coming from, but I think its bothering those in Brexit more than you are letting on*
*and i suspect a lot of that is from the shock of the reality of what happened in the EU yesterday.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
taio wrote:You've spent the best part of three years of your life saying how messed up this country is because of our political system and democracy. If you seriously think petitions such as this should be at the heart of our governance and decision making and is what should happen then, yes, we are truly ******.
Calm your tits. The petition only sparks a debate, you daft ****. No one's saying that it's going to become the new Magna Carta.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
If Uri was in Breitbart saying he'd make Brexit happen Smudge would be out dancing in his front street cracking open the Babychammartin_p wrote:Ha! Brexit is proper stuffed now.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ?CMP=fb_gu
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
When did I suggest that you daft ****Imploding Turtle wrote:Calm your tits. The petition only sparks a debate, you daft ****. No one's saying that it's going to become the new Magna Carta.
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Yup. Because it has. Are you saying it hasn't?You've spent the best part of three years of your life saying how messed up this country is because of our political system and democracy. If you seriously think petitions such as this should be at the heart of our governance and decision making and is what should happen then, yes, we are truly ******.
I've said three times on this page that this doesn't count, but its shows something.
You decided that means
"If you seriously think petitions such as this should be at the heart of our governance and decision making and is what should happen then"
Thats the response I'd expect from the Brexit loon jobs on here, not you.
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
If Uri was a Brexiteer he wouldn’t even be close to being one of their biggest fantasists.Devils_Advocate wrote:If Uri was in Breitbart saying he'd make Brexit happen Smudge would be out dancing in his front street cracking open the Babycham
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
You're good at searching the media on such matters. Are you saying there aren't plenty of people suggesting the petition shouldn't have an influence on what happens from this point?Lancasterclaret wrote:Yup. Because it has. Are you saying it hasn't?
I've said three times on this page that this doesn't count, but its shows something.
You decided that means
"If you seriously think petitions such as this should be at the heart of our governance and decision making and is what should happen then"
Thats the response I'd expect from the Brexit loon jobs on here, not you.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Babycham horrible stuff if I remember rightly I wish Uri would stop brexit so we can get the nationalism cracking on ..Devils_Advocate wrote:If Uri was in Breitbart saying he'd make Brexit happen Smudge would be out dancing in his front street cracking open the Babycham
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Of course they are, but as I've also said the Brexit heavyweights have really gone for this.You're good at searching the media on such matters. Are you saying there aren't plenty of people suggesting the petition shouldn't have influence what happens from this point?
The underlying trend is that remain/pv/revocation (which was absolutely nowhere six months ago) is really gaining ground, and the petition is a sign of that.
You get that yeah?
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In post 5120 (not in so many words ...but I think Turtle's sarcasm was justified)taio wrote:When did I suggest that you daft ****
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
"If you seriously think petitions such as this should be at the heart of our governance and decision making and is what should happen then, yes, we are truly ******."taio wrote:When did I suggest that you daft ****
Literally no one is suggesting it should be the heart of anything. You're arguing against strawmen.
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Always going to happen as I've said since day one.Lancasterclaret wrote:Of course they are, but as I've also said the Brexit heavyweights have really gone for this.
The underlying trend is that remain/pv/revocation (which was absolutely nowhere six months ago) is really gaining ground, and the petition is a sign of that.
You get that yeah?
I remember recently a handful of people interoggating someone on here about the reliability of evidence.
Oh yes I get it - I told you months ago A50 would be extended. You said I was talking shite. I get it.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... IP4GnIDkcI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
More bad news
All I'm saying is that all these things have an effect, and if it goes down to a few votes on either side, this stuff could be crucial.
But I do like the idea of these petitions being Magna Carta for 2019!
More bad news
All I'm saying is that all these things have an effect, and if it goes down to a few votes on either side, this stuff could be crucial.
But I do like the idea of these petitions being Magna Carta for 2019!
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Don't you think it would be easier just to go "Fair play LC, I overreacted a bit to you mentioning the petitions"?Always going to happen as I've said since day one.
I remember recently a handful of people interoggating someone on here about the reliability of evidence.
Oh yes I get it - I told you months ago A50 would be extended. You said I was talking shite. I get it.
Quick edit
I remember saying a Norway deal was the most likely destination, and you poo pooing that.
I reckon any option is still perfectly possible.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
SmudgetheClaret wrote:Babycham horrible stuff if I remember rightly I wish Uri would stop brexit so we can get the nationalism cracking on ..
He just came right out and said it.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Having a play with the petition data, I see there are 1,714 signatures from Burnley. I wonder how many are from folk on here?
P.s. worth saying, I don’t condone petition fraud, I simply experimented with an immaterial number of votes for a cause opposite to which I believe, to test how robust the technological approach is. As it stands, yes, they could have been removed (though I note the 18 from North Korea haven’t been) but I haven’t had any emails to that effect.
P.p.s. I recall that the similar one in 2016 attracted over 3m signatures too.
P.s. worth saying, I don’t condone petition fraud, I simply experimented with an immaterial number of votes for a cause opposite to which I believe, to test how robust the technological approach is. As it stands, yes, they could have been removed (though I note the 18 from North Korea haven’t been) but I haven’t had any emails to that effect.
P.p.s. I recall that the similar one in 2016 attracted over 3m signatures too.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
I believe British citizens around the world are allowed to sign these petitions. And I imagine British citizens in DPRK will likely be working for us and have internet access.CrosspoolClarets wrote:Having a play with the petition data, I see there are 1,714 signatures from Burnley. I wonder how many are from folk on here?
P.s. worth saying, I don’t condone petition fraud, I simply experimented with an immaterial number of votes for a cause opposite to which I believe, to test how robust the technological approach is. As it stands, yes, they could have been removed (though I note the 18 from North Korea haven’t been) but I haven’t had any emails to that effect.
P.p.s. I recall that the similar one in 2016 attracted over 3m signatures too.
Though i'd be surprised if all 18 were legit.
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Easier than what? Proving you wrong again couldn't be easier.Lancasterclaret wrote:Don't you think it would be easier just to go "Fair play LC, I overreacted a bit to you mentioning the petitions"?
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Nope, you have massively over reacted to me pointing out that you've drawn an unfair and incorrect assumption from my posts on the petition.
Thought you were a bit bigger than that, but hey ho.
Thought you were a bit bigger than that, but hey ho.
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Lancasterclaret wrote:Nope, you have massively over reacted to me pointing out that you've drawn an unfair and incorrect assumption from my posts on the petition.
Thought you were a bit bigger than that, but hey ho.
OK.Lancasterclaret wrote:Porn at a guess
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Yeah, clearly serious!
Whatever eh?
You've made stuff up on this thread to claim something that wasn't anything like I said.
Which two other posters have pointed out.
Up to you mate, but its Ringo esq
Whatever eh?
You've made stuff up on this thread to claim something that wasn't anything like I said.
Which two other posters have pointed out.
Up to you mate, but its Ringo esq
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Putting my statistician hat on, I’ve had another think about the data.
Burnley has signatures equivalent to 2% of constituents. Brighton is 18%. That is the Leave / Remain pattern across the country in the petition data. My own constituency is 11%.
So if Brighton is 9x Burnley, we would expect 2x given that Brighton had virtually double the portion of Remainers in 2016 (68% vs 34%).
That leaves me with two possibilities. Either Remain areas are getting some kind of extra momentum in heavy Remain areas (unlikely as a local campaign would only be happening in a few constituencies at best), or the voting is dodgy by a factor of 4.5x (meaning the true number would be under 1m).
A third possibility is that Remain voters simply care more in Brighton, and that would suit my long standing hypothesis that many Remainers around the U.K. were reluctant, due to economic fears in 2016, with no love of the EU.
I’m tired, it’s been a long day so I may have it wrong, but my analysis of this petition doesn’t persuade me that Remain has seen a huge swing compared to 2016. I agree with Lancs, MPs will be influenced by it, but only because most of them are too dim to understand the truth.
Burnley has signatures equivalent to 2% of constituents. Brighton is 18%. That is the Leave / Remain pattern across the country in the petition data. My own constituency is 11%.
So if Brighton is 9x Burnley, we would expect 2x given that Brighton had virtually double the portion of Remainers in 2016 (68% vs 34%).
That leaves me with two possibilities. Either Remain areas are getting some kind of extra momentum in heavy Remain areas (unlikely as a local campaign would only be happening in a few constituencies at best), or the voting is dodgy by a factor of 4.5x (meaning the true number would be under 1m).
A third possibility is that Remain voters simply care more in Brighton, and that would suit my long standing hypothesis that many Remainers around the U.K. were reluctant, due to economic fears in 2016, with no love of the EU.
I’m tired, it’s been a long day so I may have it wrong, but my analysis of this petition doesn’t persuade me that Remain has seen a huge swing compared to 2016. I agree with Lancs, MPs will be influenced by it, but only because most of them are too dim to understand the truth.
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I'll take that!
Seriously though, its a good boost for remain AND for Mays deal. Its just a shame that Mays attack on the MPs this week was so badly handled.
Seriously though, its a good boost for remain AND for Mays deal. Its just a shame that Mays attack on the MPs this week was so badly handled.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Because leavers want a free trade deal not no deal.Lancasterclaret wrote:And the important point is here is that a lot of people have bothered their arse signing it.
You can ignore it if you so wish, but I'm not sure all MPs will, and this could be sorted down to one or two votes.
Which is why I think its important.
Quick question, if it was so easy to game, why is the leave one 3.5 million votes behind?
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
What all 17.4 million of them?summitclaret wrote:Because leavers want a free trade deal not no deal.
That's the problem. Despite all you will protest there were a wide range of expectations from leavers in 2016.
If they all wanted a free trade deal, (inc. the ERG), then May's deal would have passed by now.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
What!!! I am convinced that the vast majority of leave voters wanted to take back control of our money, borders and laws etc. May's deal does not and a CU or SM arrangement won't either.nil_desperandum wrote:What all 17.4 million of them?
That's the problem. Despite all you will protest there were a wide range of expectations from leavers in 2016.
If they all wanted a free trade deal, (inc. the ERG), then May's deal would have passed by now.
Her deal was and is a fudge because the cabinet was split. The civil service will have pushed her as well in particular ths Treasury.
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Uri Gellar just sounds like your average remoaner.
You lot are beyond parody now
You lot are beyond parody now
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Not according to polling expert John Curtis, it depends on the question you ask, and some have been asking the "do you want a public vote" question without explicitly saying remain would be on the ballot paper.Imploding Turtle wrote:And we've changed our mind, and polling has consistently shown for a long time now. So when you think about it, it's actually your lot who are frightened of a ballot box potentially affirming those polls that show our mind has changed. Such anti-democrats that you are.
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They might just edge it, 3 years it's only natural some of the older voters might have passed away, it'd be absolutely disgraceful not honouring there choice whilst alive.
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You tried it twice to see if it would let you, then though oh I’ll do it a third time just to check. You then thought I’ll check again a forth time, oh look that’s worked. Just to be absolutely sure I’ll try it a 5th time.CrosspoolClarets wrote:Having a play with the petition data, I see there are 1,714 signatures from Burnley. I wonder how many are from folk on here?
P.s. worth saying, I don’t condone petition fraud, I simply experimented with an immaterial number of votes for a cause opposite to which I believe, to test how robust the technological approach is. As it stands, yes, they could have been removed (though I note the 18 from North Korea haven’t been) but I haven’t had any emails to that effect.
P.p.s. I recall that the similar one in 2016 attracted over 3m signatures too.
Sounds plausible.
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