Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:11 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:followed by

First is wrong, second is correct (and perfectly fair)

Now all the politicians, and Farage, are claiming they said the first one, when they actually said the second one.

In a nutshell, thats their tactics in two posts.

It wasnt tactics. It was quick and off the cuff I'll give you that.
My point was alluding to though, that those comments by Lammy and the monkey headed talk show host has now led to people like you, on this thread, quietly insinuating that leavers are Nazi supporters.
Your silly list that pigeon holes all leave voters into one group.
Followed by

Lancasterclaret wrote:"I was only obeying orders"

Being the prime example

Darthlaw · Post by **Darthlaw** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:35 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:So you can take me off your list because it isn't something I'm on.

Now now, Sid, there is no grey - just black and white.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qdvm6h8WKg

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:41 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:It wasn't remainers who faked this
Its not remainers who scream abuse at foreigners
its not a remainer who shot and killed an MP
Its not a remainer news editor who decided to put the sentencing details on Page 33
Its not a remainer journalist who hid evidence of Aaron Banks and Leave election expenses fiddling in a her loft
Its not a remainers who go on marches that require thousands of police officers just to avoid it kicking off
Its not remainers who don't get the difference between patriotism and nationalism
Its not remainers who are in the EDL and the various fascist equivalents
Its not remainers who are happy to vote for racists, but its ok because they wear a suit and sound a bit posh
Its not remainers funding a convicted football hooligan, wife beater and mortgage fraudster to live in a life of luxury because he hates foreigners
Its not remainers pretending this is all about the supremacy of the UK parliament and then acting all outraged when said parliament exercises that supremacy
Its not remainers who believe **** on the side of a bus
Its not remainers who shout "thats what we voted for" when you tell them that its looking like a ten to thirty year reduction in growth
Its not remainers who give a **** about the colour of their passport
its not remainers who give death threats on social media to remain MPs
Its not remainers who ignore reality and think that everything will be magically solved by leaving with "No Deal"

And absolutely ******* crucially, its not remainers who post on here who make you realise that it might actually be true that Wayne Hennessey doesn't actually know anything about the Nazis at all.

You lot are happy to back all this, so why would a fake video make any difference to that list?

David Lammy........

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:47 am

Damo wrote:Have Lammy and Obrien not compared some leave voters to Nazis?

Now you've added the word "some", why did it take you being called out for you to make correction?

And yes, of course they have. Are you saying that it is wrong to compare some Leave voters to Nazis? Are you suggesting that no Leave voters deserve to be compared to Nazis?

burnleymik · Post by **burnleymik** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:47 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:It wasn't remainers who faked this
Its not remainers who scream abuse at foreigners
its not a remainer who shot and killed an MP
Its not a remainer news editor who decided to put the sentencing details on Page 33
Its not a remainer journalist who hid evidence of Aaron Banks and Leave election expenses fiddling in a her loft
Its not a remainers who go on marches that require thousands of police officers just to avoid it kicking off
Its not remainers who don't get the difference between patriotism and nationalism
Its not remainers who are in the EDL and the various fascist equivalents
Its not remainers who are happy to vote for racists, but its ok because they wear a suit and sound a bit posh
Its not remainers funding a convicted football hooligan, wife beater and mortgage fraudster to live in a life of luxury because he hates foreigners
Its not remainers pretending this is all about the supremacy of the UK parliament and then acting all outraged when said parliament exercises that supremacy
Its not remainers who believe **** on the side of a bus
Its not remainers who shout "thats what we voted for" when you tell them that its looking like a ten to thirty year reduction in growth
Its not remainers who give a **** about the colour of their passport
its not remainers who give death threats on social media to remain MPs
Its not remainers who ignore reality and think that everything will be magically solved by leaving with "No Deal"

And absolutely ******* crucially, its not remainers who post on here who make you realise that it might actually be true that Wayne Hennessey doesn't actually know anything about the Nazis at all.

You lot are happy to back all this, so why would a fake video make any difference to that list?

That is one big pair of blinkers you have on there....

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:56 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Now you've added the word "some", why did it take you being called out for you to make correction?

And yes, of course they have. Are you saying that it is wrong to compare some Leave voters to Nazis? Are you suggesting that no Leave voters deserve to be compared to Nazis?

No. Read my post again.
I said it's not ok to insinuate leave voters are Nazi supporters because some people who voted leave might be.
Not because it's unfair on leave voters, but because it makes Nazi supporters seem mainstream.
A bit like when you call people racist.
It's not because they are racist, it's because they dont have a reddit account

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:13 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Now you've added the word "some", why did it take you being called out for you to make correction?

And yes, of course they have. Are you saying that it is wrong to compare some Leave voters to Nazis? Are you suggesting that no Leave voters deserve to be compared to Nazis?

You are susceptible to calling anybody that isn't fortunate enough to share your opinion, a nazi, a xenophobe, racist or a whole plethora of go to stereotypical labels.

Are you the Member of Parliament for Tottenham?

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:25 pm

Who gives a$hit. They all lied just as they all lie to get elected and to get into power. Does any fool really think if Corbyn gets in all the student loans will be paid back and future loans abolished?

Sit back and enjoy life ffs!

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:28 pm

I suppose the 24 hours in police custody that was on the tele the other night showing a murdered alcoholic Lithuanian woman who was murdered by n alcoholic Lithuanian man the flatmate an alcoholic Lithuanian saw nothing the visitor an alcoholic Lithuanian who pretended she was alive when he rang for an ambulance was faked as well. This little episode is why we need out of this farcical organisation, one Lithuanian was treated in hospital for alcohol addiction, one sentenced to 16 years in jail, interpreters used etc etc how much ? It doesn't matter in the Remoaners world as the common little chappies will pay .

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:46 pm

bfcjg wrote:I suppose the 24 hours in police custody that was on the tele the other night showing a murdered alcoholic Lithuanian woman who was murdered by n alcoholic Lithuanian man the flatmate an alcoholic Lithuanian saw nothing the visitor an alcoholic Lithuanian who pretended she was alive when he rang for an ambulance was faked as well. This little episode is why we need out of this farcical organisation, one Lithuanian was treated in hospital for alcohol addiction, one sentenced to 16 years in jail, interpreters used etc etc how much ? It doesn't matter in the Remoaners world as the common little chappies will pay .

Careful now or Damo will be along to call you out for insinuating that all EU immigrants are drunks who are a drain on the tax payer!

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:57 pm

The UK is our home, we should have a say on who comes into our home. Hard working law abiding people from anywhere in the world no problem, no issue, criminals etc allowed in because we trade with them ??? Would the remoaners let such like in to their house to work ? Answers on a postcard.

Bacchus · Post by **Bacchus** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:01 pm

bfcjg wrote:I suppose the 24 hours in police custody that was on the tele the other night showing a murdered alcoholic Lithuanian woman who was murdered by n alcoholic Lithuanian man the flatmate an alcoholic Lithuanian saw nothing the visitor an alcoholic Lithuanian who pretended she was alive when he rang for an ambulance was faked as well. This little episode is why we need out of this farcical organisation, one Lithuanian was treated in hospital for alcohol addiction, one sentenced to 16 years in jail, interpreters used etc etc how much ? It doesn't matter in the Remoaners world as the common little chappies will pay .

I saw this thing on the telly the other night about a doctor that went around killing his patients. Over 200 people dead. This is why we need out of the NHS.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:05 pm

BANISH THIS TO THE EXISTING BREXIT THREAD. MORE REMOANERS TRYING TO BRING IT UP AGAIN. LANCASTER YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF FOR TRYING TO START ANOTHER BY THE BACK DOOR. WILL REPORT IT TO THE MODS.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:12 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:Perhaps we need to make sure there is something in the title that suggests it’s a Brexit thread so people who are not interested won’t click on it?

It is a deceiving OP and I have reported it as such and asked it be removed to the Brexit thread. Some people just don't know when to give up.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:14 pm

What's so deceiving about a thread that is titled Leave.eu.

What else could it be about?

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:14 pm

Absolutely. If only there was some giveaway in the title.

He’s a crafty one is that OP.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:18 pm

It isn't a deceiving op at all.

It's turtle thinking it warrants yet another thread on an existing subject that's all, normal for him.
It should be merged with the other one, but it depends what mood the mods are in I suppose.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:28 pm

Would that be the same Channel 4 that has been so opposed to remain... must be true.

Frankly Despite the liberal obsession of Brexit being all about social media and immigration there are far more compelling reasons to leave. Even the BBC are starting to smell the coffee. Following the EU elections the chances are the cosy little club you are all so fond of will become something rather different.

If you want me to join remain... try telling me that Nationalists of Right and Left are not about to take control of European politics... better still
Still prove it and I’m in. Your cosy little club is about to become something quite different.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:38 pm

bfcjg wrote:The UK is our home, we should have a say on who comes into our home. Hard working law abiding people from anywhere in the world no problem, no issue, criminals etc allowed in because we trade with them ??? Would the remoaners let such like in to their house to work ? Answers on a postcard.

If we let in known criminals in it’s our government’s fault not the EU’s. We are perfectly entitled to refuse entry to EU citizens with criminal records. Please don’t buy into another Leave lie.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:02 pm

houseboy wrote:BANISH THIS TO THE EXISTING BREXIT THREAD. MORE REMOANERS TRYING TO BRING IT UP AGAIN. LANCASTER YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF FOR TRYING TO START ANOTHER BY THE BACK DOOR. WILL REPORT IT TO THE MODS.

Lancaster didn’t start this thread, you complete balloon!

AndyClaret · Post by **AndyClaret** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:20 pm

Well done everyone.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:32 pm

martin_p wrote:If we let in known criminals in it’s our government’s fault not the EU’s. We are perfectly entitled to refuse entry to EU citizens with criminal records. Please don’t buy into another Leave lie.

That's not entirely accurate is it?
The rest of the EU doesn't keep records like us and vice versa
Germany destroys records after 3 years if the crime warrants a prison sentence of less than 6 months or a fine of less than €500.

Ours is 10 years last I checked.

Other countries don't disclose it if it's an employer asking.

Oh and the current sharing system only kicked in from 2012

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:36 pm

So 27% of the country are happy to vote for a racist.

Its not news is it?

Just shows how far we've swallowed years of Brexit propaganda.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:50 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:So 27% of the country are happy to vote for a racist.

Its not news is it?

Just shows how far we've swallowed years of Brexit propaganda.

Perhaps more of note:
The Brexit party are fighting on a single issue.
The one that divides the country.
Should they not be up at around 52% if they're the only party standing up for the hard brexit that Farage claims everyone knew they were voting for?

AndyClaret · Post by **AndyClaret** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:33 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Perhaps more of note:
The Brexit party are fighting on a single issue.
The one that divides the country.
Should they not be up at around 52% if they're the only party standing up for the hard brexit that Farage claims everyone knew they were voting for?

Shouldn't TIG/LIb Dem be polling 48 % ?

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:40 pm

AndyClaret wrote:Well done everyone.

UKIP polled about 26% at the last euro elections, so it's not a massive increase for Mr Farage.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:52 pm

Spiral wrote:The US Speaker of the House actually wields significant legislative power and isn't bound to impartiality in the way Bercow is in the UK. To use a crude and imperfect analogue, the office of Speaker would be more analogous to our Prime Minister were the UK to elect an executive (president) directly or the Queen to wield any real kind of powers. Football analogies don't work so well in this case, I'm afraid. The power to pick a team at a football club isn't separated into three branches. So yes, she's quite a powerful person.

it was a light hearted response really, but thank you for the educating me a little.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:55 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Perhaps more of note:
The Brexit party are fighting on a single issue.
The one that divides the country.
Should they not be up at around 52% if they're the only party standing up for the hard brexit that Farage claims everyone knew they were voting for?

Brexit may be standing on a single issue, but does that necessarily mean that everyone who votes, votes on a single issue? Some voters may have other concerns.

BTW, UKIP haven't disappeared. They scored 7% in the poll. Which means that if this poll is accurate, 34% of people polled think that Brexit is so important that in the European elections, nothing else matters. It would be nice to get 52%, but just as in the referendum, there are voters in th emiddle on either side for whom it isn't the be-all and end-all, even in a Euro election.

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:57 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Er, no

I'm sure if you actually looked at the reality.....oh hang on, yeah, its just like Tony Loughan picking the team.

yeah you're right

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:59 pm

dsr wrote:Brexit may be standing on a single issue, but does that necessarily mean that everyone who votes, votes on a single issue? Some voters may have other concerns.

BTW, UKIP haven't disappeared. They scored 7% in the poll. Which means that if this poll is accurate, 34% of people polled think that Brexit is so important that in the European elections, nothing else matters. It would be nice to get 52%, but just as in the referendum, there are voters in th emiddle on either side for whom it isn't the be-all and end-all, even in a Euro election.

Its the European elections, nothing else but Brexit does matter.

If you want to remain, you are going to vote for a remain party

If you want to leave, you are going to vote for a party that tells you its going to be a piece of **** and it means you don't have to admit that you might have been wrong.

Farage ain't daft, its just that the people who vote for him are.

(and again, not all leave voters are daft, but the ones who believe Farage and his ilk are)

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:05 pm

dsr wrote:Brexit may be standing on a single issue, but does that necessarily mean that everyone who votes, votes on a single issue? Some voters may have other concerns.

BTW, UKIP haven't disappeared. They scored 7% in the poll. Which means that if this poll is accurate, 34% of people polled think that Brexit is so important that in the European elections, nothing else matters. It would be nice to get 52%, but just as in the referendum, there are voters in th emiddle on either side for whom it isn't the be-all and end-all, even in a Euro election.

What other issues do you think might influence peoples’ votes if we have an EU election this year?

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:15 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:Lancaster didn’t start this thread, you complete balloon!

Ah well, never mind, so many remainers so keen to have their say 'up front' I can't keep tabs. Not really that bothered, at least it's been consigned to the Brexit dustbin.

You can continue with your pointless arguments now.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:18 pm

houseboy wrote:Ah well, never mind, so many remainers so keen to have their say 'up front' I can't keep tabs. Not really that bothered, at least it's been consigned to the Brexit dustbin.

You can continue with your pointless arguments now.

It really wasn’t hard though, was it. The person who’s name is on the OP is the Originator.

You Leavers are all a bit confused, now. Time for 40 winks, mayhap?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:20 pm

houseboy wrote:BANISH THIS TO THE EXISTING BREXIT THREAD. MORE REMOANERS TRYING TO BRING IT UP AGAIN. LANCASTER YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF FOR TRYING TO START ANOTHER BY THE BACK DOOR. WILL REPORT IT TO THE MODS.

ITS **** ALL TO DO WITH ME!

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:21 pm

nil_desperandum wrote:Perhaps more of note:
The Brexit party are fighting on a single issue.
The one that divides the country.
Should they not be up at around 52% if they're the only party standing up for the hard brexit that Farage claims everyone knew they were voting for?

Brexit Racist Imbeciles = 27%
*Half of the Labour vote = 11%
*Half of the Cons vote = 7.5%
UKIP Original Racists = 7%

Total Leave = 52.5%
Total Remain = 43.5% (Green 10%, Lib Dem 9%, **CHUK 6%, *1/2 of Labour 11% & *1/2 of Conservative 7.5%
4% Gone missing????

* No evidence that Tory & Labour Voters are now all Remain rather than still split remain/leave
** Of more relevance, CHUK, Green and LIB DEM all stand for Revoke and total 25%
Whereas The Brexit Party and UKIP stand for No Deal total 34%
I'll reiterate as regards Voters and Not MP's you have no evidence that the 37% Total for LAB & CON are any more Remain than Leave and if pushed to vote on the Extremes of Revoke or No deal of which way they'd fall.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:25 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:Brexit Racist Imbeciles = 27%
*Half of the Labour vote = 11%
*Half of the Cons vote = 7.5%
UKIP Original Racists = 7%

Total Leave = 52.5%
Total Remain = 43.5% (Green 10%, Lib Dem 9%, **CHUK 6%, *1/2 of Labour 11% & *1/2 of Conservative 7.5%
4% Gone missing????

* No evidence that Tory & Labour Voters are now all Remain rather than still split remain/leave
** Of more relevance, CHUK, Green and LIB DEM all stand for Revoke and total 25%
Whereas The Brexit Party and UKIP stand for No Deal total 34%
I'll reiterate as regards Voters and Not MP's you have no evidence that the 37% Total for LAB & CON are any more Remain than Leave and if pushed to vote on the Extremes of Revoke or No deal of which way they'd fall.

Yup, but the maths in Parliament are stark. Rather than vote for a "No Deal", they would vote for a revoke.

Which is back to the "why have we not agreed to the deal yet?"

Because the headbangers of the ERG will never compromise, and the DUP won't either.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:30 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:Brexit Racist Imbeciles = 27%
*Half of the Labour vote = 11%
*Half of the Cons vote = 7.5%
UKIP Original Racists = 7%

Total Leave = 52.5%
Total Remain = 43.5% (Green 10%, Lib Dem 9%, **CHUK 6%, *1/2 of Labour 11% & *1/2 of Conservative 7.5%
4% Gone missing????

* No evidence that Tory & Labour Voters are now all Remain rather than still split remain/leave
** Of more relevance, CHUK, Green and LIB DEM all stand for Revoke and total 25%
Whereas The Brexit Party and UKIP stand for No Deal total 34%
I'll reiterate as regards Voters and Not MP's you have no evidence that the 37% Total for LAB & CON are any more Remain than Leave and if pushed to vote on the Extremes of Revoke or No deal of which way they'd fall.

Brexit Options

No Deal = Brexit Party & UKIP = 34%
Deal = Best available deal is Mays deal which no one wants = 0%
Unicorn Deal = Made up by idiots with no grasp on reality = Impossible = 0%
Remain = Only other viable option to No Deal = 66%

So its clear to see that 2/3rds of country would prefer to remain over no deal so only democratic options are to either
a) Hold a referendum with some non unicorn deals options to see if there are any options that people feel are better than Remain or No deal
b) Revoke Article 52 and cancel Brexit completely

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:30 pm

BleedingClaret wrote: Whereas The Brexit Party and UKIP stand for No Deal total 34%

Oddly for an organisation calling itself the ‘Brexit Party’ I can’t see anything on its website that defines what it thinks Brexit is (if it is there then it’s not obvious). No change there then!

AndyClaret · Post by **AndyClaret** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:31 pm

martin_p wrote:UKIP polled about 26% at the last euro elections, so it's not a massive increase for Mr Farage.

They won, with 4 million votes.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:34 pm

AndyClaret wrote:They won, with 4 million votes.

Well yes, but I thought the great ‘usurping of democracy’ was going to create a massive backlash and a huge surge of support for Nige. Those polling figures suggest the support hasn’t changed since 2014.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:35 pm

AndyClaret wrote:Shouldn't TIG/LIb Dem be polling 48 % ?

Why?
It's not FPTP so you can vote for any party and your vote counts.
If you want to leave the EU asap with no deal then you have to vote Brexit Party.
All the others are broadly pro-remain or at least pro- compromise, (except some of the the Tories who are a total basket case when it comes to Europe, but have a core vote who will never switch)

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:36 pm

4 million votes is a lot, but not a lot when we have an electorate 10 times that.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:36 pm

martin_p wrote:What other issues do you think might influence peoples’ votes if we have an EU election this year?

There's always a strong correlation between who people vote for at euro elections, general elections, local elections. I doubt that the 15% conservative poll result consists entirely of people who think the conservatives have the best Euro policy. I reckon they might be voting on other issues too, whatever those issues may be.

nil_desperandum · Post by **nil_desperandum** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:40 pm

AndyClaret wrote:They won, with 4 million votes.

So basically you're saying that about 7% of the population voted for them and this made them the largest single party. Great, let's put them in charge.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:40 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Brexit Options

No Deal = Brexit Party & UKIP = 34%
Deal = Best available deal is Mays deal which no one wants = 0%
Unicorn Deal = Made up by idiots with no grasp on reality = Impossible = 0%
Remain = Only other viable option to No Deal = 66%

So its clear to see that 2/3rds of country would prefer to remain over no deal so only democratic options are to either
a) Hold a referendum with some non unicorn deals options to see if there are any options that people feel are better than Remain or No deal
b) Revoke Article 52 and cancel Brexit completely

You must be the only person left who believes that no-one is put off from voting for Farage just because they don't like him.

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:44 pm

dsr wrote:You must be the only person left who believes that no-one is put off from voting for Farage just because they don't like him.

Does your nose grow when you tell the truth?

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:47 pm

dsr wrote:There's always a strong correlation between who people vote for at euro elections, general elections, local elections. I doubt that the 15% conservative poll result consists entirely of people who think the conservatives have the best Euro policy. I reckon they might be voting on other issues too, whatever those issues may be.

Not sure the numbers back up that theory, especially in the last ten years. People are much more likely to use local and euro elections as an opportunity to protest as they consider them less important. If there’d been a strong correlation between the last euro elections and the following/previous general election Nigel Farage would be PM now.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:58 pm

martin_p wrote:Not sure the numbers back up that theory, especially in the last ten years. People are much more likely to use local and euro elections as an opportunity to protest as they consider them less important. If there’d been a strong correlation between the last euro elections and the following/previous general election Nigel Farage would be PM now.

Strong, not perfect.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:00 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Does your nose grow when you tell the truth?

You reckon everyone who says they would vote Labour, does so because they approve of cancelling Brexit. You don't seem to think that there are any Labour supporters that would support Brexit but can't bring themselves to vote for Farage - is that really true?

BleedingClaret · Post by **BleedingClaret** » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:00 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Yup, but the maths in Parliament are stark. Rather than vote for a "No Deal", they would vote for a revoke.

Which is back to the "why have we not agreed to the deal yet?"

Because the headbangers of the ERG will never compromise, and the DUP won't either.

Parliament is, IMO, out of line with the people it was elected to serve.

A General Election would solve that one way or the other

If the current crop got back in, with honest campaign promises, then they are free to do as they believe.