Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
If the working class have been ignored how come the vast majority of working class voters in Scotland - nearly 70%, voted to stay?
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Maybe because the "working class" aren't a solid homogenous lump but have their own opinions like everybody else?Spijed wrote:If the working class have been ignored how come the vast majority of working class voters in Scotland - nearly 70%, voted to stay?
-
- Posts: 1349
- Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:08 pm
- Been Liked: 217 times
- Has Liked: 543 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
That's actually their 5th rally, but nice try anyway.aggi wrote:The Brexit Party having its first rally. Looks like a pretty diverse bunch:
-
- Posts: 23343
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:09 pm
- Been Liked: 8058 times
- Has Liked: 4714 times
- Location: Riding the galactic winds in my X-wing
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Still all a bit Gammony though Andy
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Our railways are already government owned - just not by ours. We have the most expensive fares per mile in Europe, and the companies take four times more in subsidies than BR did. Beyond this, there is nothing wrong with a national asset owned by the people.dsr wrote:British Rail
British Leyland
British Telecom
Royal Mail (still in a bit of a mess now, but that's largely because of the EU/UK government rules to try and create competition where it shouldn't be. Royal Mail is one area, privatised or otherwise, where artificial competition ought to be either removed or made fair.)
Do you remember how appalling these companies used to be? To get a new phone, for example - you had to go on a waiting list. 6 months was not unusual. British Rail, regardless of what people may think about the railways now, was worse then. British Leyland is still a national joke, 40 years on.
It may be that Corbyn's government would be more competent, more financially savvy, and less in thrall to the unions that Wilson's government was. But I won't hold my breath.
As for Royal Mail - what a rip off that was for the country! Two land sales have earned nearly half what Royal Mail was sold off for originally, and rather than using this windfall to improve service, most of it has probably gone on dividends.
It’s not that privatisation always leads to rip off prices and reduced service, but the entity is focused on the bottom line, and without sucficient regulation these things will follow. And the whole point of having the entity in the first place will fade into the background. How many academy schools have been accused of enriching the people who run it? How many energy firms, and telcos, and water companies (not to mention banks and insurance firms) have been caught ripping off consumers, and taxpayers?
Last edited by AndrewJB on Wed Apr 24, 2019 7:34 pm, edited 1 time in total.
This user liked this post: longsidepies
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Apologies, I must have missed the previous four. I assume the others were full of all ages, races and creeds?AndyClaret wrote:That's actually their 5th rally, but nice try anyway.
-
- Posts: 7312
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:06 pm
- Been Liked: 1827 times
- Has Liked: 3964 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Sorry. I don't understand that - (genuinely).Colburn_Claret wrote:Sorry, I wasnt aware so many labour voters lived in London, considering how many constituencies in London are Tory.
The Conservatives hold 21 seats out of 73 London Constituencies. It's overwhelmingly Labour with a just a few Libs and Indys thrown in.
(Conservatives have control of just 7 boroughs out of 32. [Lab control 20])
-
- Posts: 10318
- Joined: Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:45 pm
- Been Liked: 2636 times
- Has Liked: 2798 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Another identity obsessed metropolitan bubble dweller!aggi wrote:Apologies, I must have missed the previous four. I assume the others were full of all ages, races and creeds?
If those pictured were more able to meet your diversity tick box criteria fetish. Would it mean their votes were somehow of more value?
This user liked this post: AndyClaret
-
- Posts: 10318
- Joined: Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:45 pm
- Been Liked: 2636 times
- Has Liked: 2798 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
When groups of black or Asian people are seen to be voting in a way they feel is beneficial to their communities. It's described as "positive" and "empowerment" it shows their " lives matter"Lancasterclaret wrote:Still all a bit Gammony though Andy
When whites do the same, nasty racist labels are used to demean them.....
These 2 users liked this post: AndyClaret jrtod61
-
- Posts: 10318
- Joined: Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:45 pm
- Been Liked: 2636 times
- Has Liked: 2798 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
What he means is that London skews the labour remain vote given roughly 2/3rds of labour constituencies voted Leave.nil_desperandum wrote:Sorry. I don't understand that - (genuinely).
The Conservatives hold 21 seats out of 73 London Constituencies. It's overwhelmingly Labour with a just a few Libs and Indys thrown in.
(Conservatives have control of just 7 boroughs out of 32. [Lab control 20])
Labour - it used to be the Working Class Party
Now it's the Islington Dinner Party.....
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Nope, everyone's vote is worth the same. The only person who suggested otherwise is you.RingoMcCartney wrote:Another identity obsessed metropolitan bubble dweller!
If those pictured were more able to meet your diversity tick box criteria fetish. Would it mean their votes were somehow of more value?
I was more thinking that it doesn't say much for the long-term future of the movement when it's a struggle to pick out anyone under the age of 40 in the picture. Less of a diversity tick box criteria fetish, more of a consideration of the demographics of the Brexit party against the country as a whole.
-
- Posts: 5356
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 9:00 pm
- Been Liked: 1648 times
- Has Liked: 402 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
It has pretty much the same demographic as my golf club, the Peaks when I go walking, my cycling club, the Rotary club, the local pub, etc. Nothing wrong with any of them.aggi wrote:Apologies, I must have missed the previous four. I assume the others were full of all ages, races and creeds?
The sly “Brexit voters are racist” dig (which is what it was, let’s be honest) is something where you can, and usually do, do better. The above post was more like one of Imploding Turtles’. You may have honestly meant to imply the Brexit party simply doesn’t have a broad base, but it didn’t come across like that.
There is a reason why a large chunk of the population are going to vote for the Brexit party from now on. It ain’t anything to do with how people feel about different colours and creeds. It’s because they make an honest political choice and are made to feel about 6 inch tall by the intolerant liberal left. History shows that people tend to double down in those situations.
These 2 users liked this post: AndyClaret jrtod61
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
You mean like in Liverpool and Manchester? Your ‘London metropolitan elite’ argument is oversimplified, much like every other point you make on here.RingoMcCartney wrote:What he means is that London skews the labour remain vote given roughly 2/3rds of labour constituencies voted Leave.
Labour - it used to be the Working Class Party
Now it's the Islington Dinner Party.....
-
- Posts: 10318
- Joined: Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:45 pm
- Been Liked: 2636 times
- Has Liked: 2798 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Good. Then there'll be no need to mention any of the following in the future will there. You wouldn't want to be accused of racism or bigotry would you -aggi wrote:Nope, everyone's vote is worth the same. .
Glad we cleared that up.aggi wrote: I assume the others were full of all ages, races and creeds?
Last edited by RingoMcCartney on Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:57 pm, edited 1 time in total.
-
- Posts: 10318
- Joined: Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:45 pm
- Been Liked: 2636 times
- Has Liked: 2798 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Greater Manchester - 10 Boroughsmartin_p wrote:You mean like in Liverpool and Manchester? Your ‘London metropolitan elite’ argument is oversimplified, much like every other point you make on here.
7 voted Leave.
3 voted Remain.
The fact is that 2/3rds of labour constituencies voted Leave. The London Remain vote skews the overall figures.
I predicted John Bercows role would be pivotal in the Brexit process. You said it wouldn't.
I was right wasn't I Marty. You were wrong weren't you.
-
- Posts: 7312
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:06 pm
- Been Liked: 1827 times
- Has Liked: 3964 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
But that's nothing like what he wrote. Hence my genuine question.RingoMcCartney wrote:What he means is that London skews the labour remain vote given roughly 2/3rds of labour constituencies voted Leave.
Labour - it used to be the Working Class Party
Now it's the Islington Dinner Party.....
If it was intended to be ironic or sarcastic, it didn't come across that way..... and no smiley.
Incidentally, - are Labour votes worth less in the cities than they are in smaller towns, because that seems to be what you imply?
It's quite clear from all available data, that the majority of Labour voters, (throughout the UK),and the majority of Labour Party members are opposed to Brexit, but a large number of these favour compromise. (involving some form of CU / SM).
And this has - broadly - been the Labour position, as stated in their 2017 manifesto.
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
You know Manchester and Greater Manchester aren’t the same thing don’t you?RingoMcCartney wrote:Greater Manchester - 10 Boroughs
7 voted Leave.
3 voted Remain.
The fact is that 2/3rds of labour constituencies voted Leave. The London Remain vote skews the overall figures.
I predicted John Bercows role would be pivotal in the Brexit process.
I was right wasn't I Marty.
I’ve asked at least three times now, what has `pivoted` a on a Bercow decision? What exactly would be different? If his role has been pivotal it should be very easy to answer.
-
- Posts: 10318
- Joined: Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:45 pm
- Been Liked: 2636 times
- Has Liked: 2798 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
He was clearly being sarcy.nil_desperandum wrote:But that's nothing like what he wrote. Hence my genuine question.
If it was intended to be ironic or sarcastic, it didn't come across that way..... and no smiley.
Incidentally, - are Labour votes worth less in the cities than they are in smaller towns, because that seems to be what you imply?
It's quite clear from all available data, that the majority of Labour voters, (throughout the UK),and the majority of Labour Party members are opposed to Brexit, but a large number of these favour compromise. (involving some form of CU / SM).
And this has - broadly - been the Labour position, as stated in their 2017 manifesto.
And you may genuinely believe that the labour party is honouring the manifesto pledges on Brexit , on which it's MPs were elected. I don't. It's irrelevant. The future ballot will decide whether it is.
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
It’s not a belief, he’s looking at what they said in their manifesto and comparing it with what they’ve done to reach a conclusion. You should try it sometime.RingoMcCartney wrote:He was clearly being sarcy.
And you may genuinely believe that the labour party is honouring the manifesto pledges on Brexit , on which it's MPs were elected. I don't. It's irrelevant. The future ballot will decide whether it is.
-
- Posts: 10318
- Joined: Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:45 pm
- Been Liked: 2636 times
- Has Liked: 2798 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Bercow drove a coach and horses through centuries of parliamentary procedural protocol and precedent. Ignoring the advice of his clerks. Refusing to make public that advice.martin_p wrote:You know Manchester and Greater Manchester aren’t the same thing don’t you?
I’ve asked at least three times now, what has `pivoted` a on a Bercow decision? What exactly would be different? If his role has been pivotal it should be very easy to answer.
More recently he said he would "not be bound by precedent"
He's consistently blocked pro Leave amendments and chosen , unilaterally, (something that you incorrectly said he wasn't allowed to do!!!) pro remain amendments instead.
He's hotly tipped to be the first Speaker NOT to receive a peerage due to his biased actions.
He faces an embarrassing vote of no confidence.
Sky's chief political correspondent John Craig said recently, " Bercows role has been pivotal "
Was John Craig , like my good self, right or wrong.
Right
Or
Wrong.?
Last edited by RingoMcCartney on Thu Apr 25, 2019 12:20 am, edited 1 time in total.
This user liked this post: jrtod61
-
- Posts: 10318
- Joined: Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:45 pm
- Been Liked: 2636 times
- Has Liked: 2798 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Let the ballot box decide.martin_p wrote:It’s not a belief, he’s looking at what they said in their manifesto and comparing it with what they’ve done to reach a conclusion. You should try it sometime.
You should try respecting the results that it produces sometime......
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Answer the question, what’s changed? Where would we be up to with Brexit without Bercow? Come on, it can’t be that hard, his role was apparently ‘pivotal’.RingoMcCartney wrote:Bercow drove a coach and horses through centuries of parliamentary procedural protocol and precedent. Ignoring the advice of his clerks. Refusing to make public that advice.
More recently he said he would "not be bound by precedent"
He's consistently blocked pro Leave amendments and chosen , unilaterally, (something that you incorrectly said he wasn't allowed to do!!!) pro remain amendments instead.
He's hotly tipped to be the first Speaker NOT to receive a peerage due to his biased actions.
He faces an embarrassing vote of no confidence.
Sky's chief political correspondent John Craig said recently, " Bercows role has been pivotal "
Was John Craig , like my good self, right or wrong.
Right
Or
Wrong.?
Edit - I can’t let the claim that I said Bercow couldn’t block amendments go unchallenged as it’s exactly the opposite of what I said, I.e. he chooses the amendments to be debated.
-
- Posts: 10318
- Joined: Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:45 pm
- Been Liked: 2636 times
- Has Liked: 2798 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
martin_p wrote:Answer the question, what’s changed? Where would we be up to with Brexit without Bercow? Come on, it can’t be that hard, his role was apparently ‘pivotal’.
Just desperate Marty.
The world and his dog knows my prediction has been proven right and you simply cannot bring yourself to admit it!!
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
I agree, let’s have a second referendum (I assume that’s what you mean).RingoMcCartney wrote:Let the ballot box decide.
You should try respecting the results that it produces sometime......
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
So you can’t answer the question then. Point proved.RingoMcCartney wrote:
Just desperate Marty.
The world and his dog knows my prediction has been proven right and you simply cannot bring yourself to admit it!!
-
- Posts: 10318
- Joined: Sat Apr 02, 2016 4:45 pm
- Been Liked: 2636 times
- Has Liked: 2798 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
martin_p wrote:So you can’t answer the question then. Point proved.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/u ... 2?mode=amp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... rustrated/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://mobile.twitter.com/guidofawkes/ ... 33?lang=en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... rexit-bias
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/01/j" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... or-labour/
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/br" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... 22691.html
6 separate sources showing Bercows role to be "pivotal"!
And this was you previously claiming he couldn't pick and choose which amendments he wanted and which to block!
Then admitting he could do exactly that!martin_p wrote:You do know it's not Bercow that will define what the vote is don't you? He's just the the facilitator Wrongo"
Bang to rights Marty!martin_p wrote:He's done exactly what I said he can do, DECIDE on which amendments to allow. If you can link where I’ve said otherwise then feel free.
So, once again my mutton headed friend. Has Bercows role been pivotal?
Yes or No?
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
I'll be honest, the first thing that jumped out at me was age rather than anything else. I've posted before how a lot of the Brexit narrative is harking back to years gone by pre-globalisation and wanting to return to that time (look at Ringo blaming the EU for losses of manufacturing jobs for instance) and the demographics of that picture go with that.CrosspoolClarets wrote:It has pretty much the same demographic as my golf club, the Peaks when I go walking, my cycling club, the Rotary club, the local pub, etc. Nothing wrong with any of them.
The sly “Brexit voters are racist” dig (which is what it was, let’s be honest) is something where you can, and usually do, do better. The above post was more like one of Imploding Turtles’. You may have honestly meant to imply the Brexit party simply doesn’t have a broad base, but it didn’t come across like that.
There is a reason why a large chunk of the population are going to vote for the Brexit party from now on. It ain’t anything to do with how people feel about different colours and creeds. It’s because they make an honest political choice and are made to feel about 6 inch tall by the intolerant liberal left. History shows that people tend to double down in those situations.
You'll struggle to find me saying "Brexit voters are racist". There's clearly a crossover and things like having Tommy Robinson speak at the Brexit protest and the initial Brexit party leader having to quit due to anti-Islamic views don't do anything to dispel that image. To be honest, I think it's a problem that has to be sorted it out but it's a problem for the Brexit party, they're the ones who will be losing the votes.
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
The reply above probably covers this as well.RingoMcCartney wrote:Good. Then there'll be no need to mention any of the following in the future will there. You wouldn't want to be accused of racism or bigotry would you -
Glad we cleared that up.
-
- Posts: 1349
- Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:08 pm
- Been Liked: 217 times
- Has Liked: 543 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Yep, really, really Gammony.Lancasterclaret wrote:Still all a bit Gammony though Andy
https://twitter.com/brexitparty_uk/stat ... 2203843585" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
-
- Posts: 10913
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:56 pm
- Been Liked: 5560 times
- Has Liked: 208 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
I can imagine the celebrations in Brexit Party HQ when they saw this. He party poppers will have been going off as they triumphantly shouted “WE’VE GOT A BLACK! WE’VE GOT A BLACK!”AndyClaret wrote:
Yep, really, really Gammony.
https://twitter.com/brexitparty_uk/stat ... 2203843585" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
These 2 users liked this post: Greenmile Lancasterclaret
-
- Posts: 23343
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:09 pm
- Been Liked: 8058 times
- Has Liked: 4714 times
- Location: Riding the galactic winds in my X-wing
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Oh Andy, you poor soul
-
- Posts: 2551
- Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:29 pm
- Been Liked: 605 times
- Has Liked: 346 times
- Location: Hertfordshire
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Bercow changed the 'process' when it suited him. "If processes don't change then nothing changes......" and refused to change the process when it didn't suit him.martin_p wrote:So you can’t answer the question then. Point proved.
He also chose which indicative votes (motions) to put to parliament. Denied MPs the option of leaving by a certain date whatever the circumstances and allowed ones he favoured. Also allegedly connived with Dominic Grieve at the early stages of the indicative votes.
I'd agree that he's been pivotal. Difference of opinion will be whether that was good or bad.
These 2 users liked this post: jrtod61 RingoMcCartney
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
So in what way would things have been different today? Do you think if he’d allowed the ‘Leave by a certain date whatever’ it would have got through the commons given it’s already voted against no deal? He can decide what amendments are voted on, but can’t influence the outcome unless his casting vote is needed. The only time is has been needed in a Brexit related vote he voted against holding more indicative votes. Presumably you haven’t mentioned that as it destroys your narrative.HatfieldClaret wrote:Bercow changed the 'process' when it suited him. "If processes don't change then nothing changes......" and refused to change the process when it didn't suit him.
He also chose which indicative votes (motions) to put to parliament. Denied MPs the option of leaving by a certain date whatever the circumstances and allowed ones he favoured. Also allegedly connived with Dominic Grieve at the early stages of the indicative votes.
I'd agree that he's been pivotal. Difference of opinion will be whether that was good or bad.
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Stop lying about what you’re said (I’ve challenged you numerous time to link the post where I said what you’ve put in that first quote and you can’t do it) and just answer the question.RingoMcCartney wrote:https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/u ... 2?mode=amp
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... rustrated/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://mobile.twitter.com/guidofawkes/ ... 33?lang=en" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... rexit-bias
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/01/j" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... or-labour/
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/br" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... 22691.html
6 separate sources showing Bercows role to be "pivotal"!
And this was you previously claiming he couldn't pick and choose which amendments he wanted and which to block!
Then admitting he could do exactly that!
Bang to rights Marty!
So, once again my mutton headed friend. Has Bercows role been pivotal?
Yes or No?
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Is this an attempt to prove that you can be anti-Brexit but still be bigoted?TheFamilyCat wrote:I can imagine the celebrations in Brexit Party HQ when they saw this. He party poppers will have been going off as they triumphantly shouted “WE’VE GOT A BLACK! WE’VE GOT A BLACK!”
-
- Posts: 19799
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:12 am
- Been Liked: 5483 times
- Has Liked: 2540 times
- Location: Burnley, Lancs
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
dsr wrote:Is this an attempt to prove that you can be anti-Brexit but still be bigoted?
Parodying bigots does not make you a bigot. Just like your life-long parody of an idiot doesn't make you an idiot.
-
- Posts: 23343
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:09 pm
- Been Liked: 8058 times
- Has Liked: 4714 times
- Location: Riding the galactic winds in my X-wing
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Usual thing though.
We'll say "clearly some leave voters are racists bigots"
You'll say "How dare you call all leave voters racists bigots"
We say "Not what I said, its almost like you don't read what we post....oh"
You'll say "HA! 1-0 TO US. WE WON. YOU LOST. GET OVER IT"
And the country slides even further into the sewer.
We'll say "clearly some leave voters are racists bigots"
You'll say "How dare you call all leave voters racists bigots"
We say "Not what I said, its almost like you don't read what we post....oh"
You'll say "HA! 1-0 TO US. WE WON. YOU LOST. GET OVER IT"
And the country slides even further into the sewer.
These 4 users liked this post: Imploding Turtle nil_desperandum martin_p longsidepies
-
- Posts: 10913
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:56 pm
- Been Liked: 5560 times
- Has Liked: 208 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Nah, just a little joke.dsr wrote:Is this an attempt to prove that you can be anti-Brexit but still be bigoted?
But judging by andyclaret using the tweet as some sort of display of diversity within the Brexit Party, maybe there was a slither of truth in there.
-
- Posts: 1349
- Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:08 pm
- Been Liked: 217 times
- Has Liked: 543 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
And more gammon.
https://twitter.com/brexitparty_uk/stat ... 60192?s=19" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://twitter.com/brexitparty_uk/stat ... 60192?s=19" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
-
- Posts: 2551
- Joined: Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:29 pm
- Been Liked: 605 times
- Has Liked: 346 times
- Location: Hertfordshire
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
No narrative Martinmartin_p wrote:So in what way would things have been different today? Do you think if he’d allowed the ‘Leave by a certain date whatever’ it would have got through the commons given it’s already voted against no deal? He can decide what amendments are voted on, but can’t influence the outcome unless his casting vote is needed. The only time is has been needed in a Brexit related vote he voted against holding more indicative votes. Presumably you haven’t mentioned that as it destroys your narrative.
I did remember his casting vote but didn't mention it as I couldn't recall off the top of my head which vote it was.
Just explaining how he has been pivotal. I admit I don't like the chap but everyone is free to make up their own mind.
-
- Posts: 1349
- Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:08 pm
- Been Liked: 217 times
- Has Liked: 543 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
More gammon incoming!
https://twitter.com/brexitparty_uk/stat ... 14368?s=19" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://twitter.com/brexitparty_uk/stat ... 14368?s=19" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
-
- Posts: 10913
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:56 pm
- Been Liked: 5560 times
- Has Liked: 208 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Are you pro-immigration now andyclaretandy?
-
- Posts: 1349
- Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:08 pm
- Been Liked: 217 times
- Has Liked: 543 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Pro controlled immigration, always have been.TheFamilyCat wrote:Are you pro-immigration now andyclaretandy?
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
After the forthcoming elections there could be a very different EU to what we have now, more right wing anti federal MEPs might result in it being more favourable to remain if it goes to another ballot .
-
- Posts: 19799
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:12 am
- Been Liked: 5483 times
- Has Liked: 2540 times
- Location: Burnley, Lancs
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
AndyClaret wrote:Pro controlled immigration, always have been.
Which the EU didn't and doesn't prevent.
Do you accept that as true?
-
- Posts: 1349
- Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:08 pm
- Been Liked: 217 times
- Has Liked: 543 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Nope.Imploding Turtle wrote:Which the EU didn't and doesn't prevent.
Do you accept that as true?
-
- Posts: 19799
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:12 am
- Been Liked: 5483 times
- Has Liked: 2540 times
- Location: Burnley, Lancs
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
I didn't think you would.AndyClaret wrote:Nope.
https://fullfact.org/europe/border-security-eu/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"The British government retains full control over its own border controls."
This user liked this post: GodIsADeeJay81
-
- Posts: 7312
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:06 pm
- Been Liked: 1827 times
- Has Liked: 3964 times
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
And therein lies the root cause of why the country is in such a mess.AndyClaret wrote:Nope.
People choosing to believe unsubstantiated agenda-driven propaganda rather than actually doing a bit of research, and establishing the true facts.
-
- Posts: 23343
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 2:09 pm
- Been Liked: 8058 times
- Has Liked: 4714 times
- Location: Riding the galactic winds in my X-wing
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
Pretty much everyone is in favour of controlled immigration, which makes it even more weird that the UK Government didn't take advantage of the rules already controlling it within the EU.
-
- Posts: 19799
- Joined: Thu Jan 21, 2016 7:12 am
- Been Liked: 5483 times
- Has Liked: 2540 times
- Location: Burnley, Lancs
Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth
8,000th post
Last edited by Imploding Turtle on Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:37 pm, edited 1 time in total.