nil_desperandum wrote:Firstly, in answer to your final question the answer is absolutely and without any room for you trying to duck and dive and dodge the facts - NO. The money that goes to the regions is NOT part of our rebate.
(Maybe your misunderstanding of this tells us a lot, and demonstrates clearly how easy it was for people like Johnson to dupe you by putting misleading figures on the side of a bus).
The rebate NEVER goes to Brussels, it is deducted at source. Treasury figures confirm this. The money that comes back to places like Burnley is out of our NET contribution, and comes out of the Regional Development Fund. It is as you say Treasury money that comes to us via Brussels.
But I stand by my point that it's money that we wouldn't otherwise have got.
As for your comments about a "permanent" Tory Govt. Nothing can ever be described as permanent, but with our FPTP system it's really hard to dislodge the Tories, and post- Brexit, if the Union breaks up, (which is highly likely under Johnson), then there will be an almost guaranteed "permanent" Tory majority in England, and I doubt that the north will be equal to the south.
Pedantry at its finest! But I wouldn't expect anything else from the message board arch pedant.
Taken from full fact website , an independent charity dedicated to finding facts.
"It’s been claimed that we send £350 million a week to the EU. That misses out the rebate, and it doesn’t represent the total economic costs and benefits of EU membership to the UK.
"£350 million is roughly what we would pay to the EU budget without the rebate. The UK actually paid closer to £250 million a week.
The government then gets some of that money back, mainly through payments to farmers and for poorer areas of the country such as Wales and Cornwall."
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From the Office of National Statistics website-
"ONS reports that £4.4 billion came back to the UK public sector and private sector in credits in 2016.This included £359 million that came back through the European Regional Development Fund and £2.4 billion through the Agricultural Guarantee Fund.
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What part of "it's our money coming back do you refuse to understand?"
I get it. Somebody has pointed out your lies and challenged the church of the European Union. You see me a non-believer, a heathen. I can live with that. You cannot live with facts.
Final question before I set off for the Turf.
HAS THE EU ANY MONEY OF ITS OWN!?
Seeing as one of the evangelical zealots of the european union you won't answer it . I'll do it for you.
Answer - "No"
Enjoy the game your eminence.