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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:01 am

*Logged on*

Dsr/Colburn et al still repeating the stuff that has been proved to be utter horseshit since day 1. As we are now on Day 700 odd, you'd have thought they would have found something else that they can string as a positive...........

Pointless. Country is going to take a hit because people won't admit they might not be experts on trade despite their only experience shopping in more than one supermarket

*Logs out*
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by TVC15 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:33 am

AlargeClaret wrote:God almighty she could have shaved her fanny ffs,it's not 1973
Too funny for this thread !
It’s because we joined the EU in 1973 that she has let it grow to 1970s porn film “downstairs” Afro levels. The Eurocrats introduced regulations which allowed women to grow wild - you never saw this in the 60s and hopefully after 29th March we go back to much tidier lady gardens.

#brexit-bare-exit
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by AlargeClaret » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:40 am

[quote="TVC15"]Too funny for this thread !
It’s because we joined the EU in 1973 that she has let it grow to 1970s porn film “downstairs” Afro levels. The Eurocrats introduced regulations which allowed women to grow wild - you never saw this in the 60s and hopefully after 29th March we go back to much tidier lady gardens.

#brexit-bare-exit[/quote

:lol:

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by martin_p » Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:15 am

dsr wrote:Are you? I'm not admitting that. All I'm saying is that if the EU doesn't want a free trade deal, or at least doesn't want one on terms that the UK can accept, then there is nothing we can do about it. And the converse is of course true - the UK could scupper a deal with unreasonable demands, just like the EU has.

Remainers have been saying all along that the EU can afford to do without free trade with the UK because its economy is four times larger and so the hit will be four times less, in proportion. It's still a hit to their economy, but the negotiators think it's a price worth paying to keep other countries in line. And what I am saying, not being a worshipper of the great god Trade as some people are, is that it's worth the hit to be rid of them. I would prefer to leave on good terms, but if they are determined not to be friends, so be it. Hopefully they will get over their sulks in due course.
Do you think that the EUs unwillingness to break an international treaty is unreasonable?
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Mala591 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:33 am

Thought for the day:

No deal Brexit = 6-12 months of disagreement, confusion and chaos

Deal Brexit = 6-12 years of disagreement, confusion and chaos

Deal or No Deal?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:36 am

Why is it only 6 to 12 months?
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Mala591 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:58 am

That would be my estimate of a new (unique to the UK) tariff free trading policy between the UK and any trading nation/block who wanted to reciprocate. Forget the WTO (far too political and complicated). We could start off by using the Canada/EU agreement as a starting template.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by AndrewJB » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:03 am

Mala591 wrote:Thought for the day:

No deal Brexit = 6-12 months of disagreement, confusion and chaos

Deal Brexit = 6-12 years of disagreement, confusion and chaos

Deal or No Deal?
Staying in the EU - six to twelve decades of peace and prosperity.

Leavers promised the earth, the sun, and the moon in order to get the vote over the line. Now, as you've illustrated, they'll say absolutely anything to make the split as extreme as possible. Unless you're very rich, and can afford to sit back until asset prices fall to rock bottom before you hoover them up, there is no point in wanting an extreme brexit.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:25 am

Why would our EU partners sign an agreement that sounds that good after we've **** all over them with a No Deal?

Ireland in particular gets hit hard by the UKs refusal to stick to what it has already agreed. Why would they then vote to ratify an agreement with the UK?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by summitclaret » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:33 am

The uk has not agreed anything as the Pm was not authorised to commit us ever since gina miller won her case.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Mala591 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:34 am

The EU has REFUSED to discuss a draft trade deal until the withdrawal agreement was ratified. We have spent 2.5 years arguing about a 'relatively' straightforward withdrawal agreement. The next, far more complicated, step of agreeing a goods and services deal will drag on for many years with France and Spain constantly throwing a spanner in the works.

We either stay in or make a clean break to get out. Imo anything in between will be the worst of both worlds for the future prosperity of the UK.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by scouseclaret » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:40 am

Mala591 wrote:Thought for the day:

No deal Brexit = 6-12 months of disagreement, confusion and chaos

Deal Brexit = 6-12 years of disagreement, confusion and chaos

Deal or No Deal?
You just made that up - a common problem with Brexiters.

Another made up Brexit fact - but perhaps a more revealing one given that it can from one of your glorious leaders, Rees-Mogg - is that it may take 50 years for Britain to reap the benefits of leaving.

That’s an astonishing admission. Who in their right mind makes massive decisions on that basis? The sad thing is, if it’s anything like accurate, the vast majority of those who voted for Brexit won’t be around to enjoy he benefits, and the vast majority of people who do have a chance of being around then don’t want it.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:45 am

Why would us just leaving make the trade agreement with the EU easier?

The trade agreement will be tough, whether we leave with a No Deal or an agreement.

Surely that is acknowledged as a given now?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by AndyClaret » Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:52 am

scouseclaret wrote:You just made that up - a common problem with Brexiters.

Another made up Brexit fact - but perhaps a more revealing one given that it can from one of your glorious leaders, Rees-Mogg - is that it may take 50 years for Britain to reap the benefits of leaving.

That’s an astonishing admission. Who in their right mind makes massive decisions on that basis? The sad thing is, if it’s anything like accurate, the vast majority of those who voted for Brexit won’t be around to enjoy he benefits, and the vast majority of people who do have a chance of being around then don’t want it.
He didn't say that, he said 50 years would be a fair comparison to eu membership.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Mala591 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:03 am

If we leave with a no deal then we will have a situation where the first agreement could be - no tariffs on your goods if you don't put any on ours - agreed - sign that one off.

Second agreement - our goods will comply with EU health and safety/environmental standards if your goods comply with UK standards - agreed - sign that one off.

Our import/export customs procedures will be predominantly electronic at the business of origin with a bare minimum of border checks if you reciprocate we can sign that one off too.

etc. etc.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:05 am

That is a bigger fantasy than the promises made before Brexit, in the nicest possible way.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by aggi » Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:43 am

Mala591 wrote:If we leave with a no deal then we will have a situation where the first agreement could be - no tariffs on your goods if you don't put any on ours - agreed - sign that one off.

Second agreement - our goods will comply with EU health and safety/environmental standards if your goods comply with UK standards - agreed - sign that one off.

Our import/export customs procedures will be predominantly electronic at the business of origin with a bare minimum of border checks if you reciprocate we can sign that one off too.

etc. etc.
Well that sorts 20% of the economy. What about the other 80%?

To be fair to you this was just a convenient post to point it out, there has been a huge emphasis on things like fishing (0.1% of economy), agriculture (0.6%) and manufacturing (10%) whilst pretty much ignoring the service industry.

In terms of exports, the services do make up a little less ( about 40:60) than manufacturing but that doesn't explain why it's glossed over so much and we've got to the point where a tiny industry like fishing is viewed as more important than things we're good at like financial services.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by SGr » Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:48 am

Gotta love people vying for No Deal. Experts on WTO rules and how great they are, yet can hardly name a single one and can’t explain why despite them being so great, trade deals exist for almost every nation and why virtually every politician is keen to avoid.

The tabloid press has truly won this round.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by CrosspoolClarets » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:29 pm

Mala591 wrote:The EU has REFUSED to discuss a draft trade deal until the withdrawal agreement was ratified. We have spent 2.5 years arguing about a 'relatively' straightforward withdrawal agreement. The next, far more complicated, step of agreeing a goods and services deal will drag on for many years with France and Spain constantly throwing a spanner in the works.

We either stay in or make a clean brake to get out. Imo anything in between will be the worst of both worlds for the future prosperity of the UK.
This is true, the EU has deliberately sequenced talks so they get all the bits they want before the trade talks start (money, citizens rights, access to our security, etc). This stance has always made “no deal” possible if there was no agreement on withdrawal in time.

Now, today, a prominent German MP close to Merkel has said that if there is “no deal” the Irish Republic has a choice of a hard border or leaving the EU Customs Union. He implies the customs union is more important than peace in Ireland.

Ireland were always going to learn the hard way that Brussels don’t care about them, it was amazing they didn’t kick up a fuss earlier. Now I suspect they will be thrown under a bus by Brussels until a free trade deal with the U.K. is agreed.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by AlargeClaret » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:51 pm

One irony missed by the more crazed remainers ( I’m a very cautious Remainer ) is that sourcing pretty much everything from non EU countries is an awful lot cheaper than it is from the EU .( with a few notable fresh produce type foods) All non EU imports currently work the same in practice as WTO rules . Though if and when we adopt WTO rules we of course need to reciprocate preferential duty rates .China, India and USA to name a few

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by summitclaret » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:20 pm

The sooner we are self sufficient in everything we can be the better.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Spiral » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:32 pm

summitclaret wrote:The sooner we are self sufficient in everything we can be the better.
Self-sufficiency is a fantasy you'd do well to rid yourself of. It isn't compatible with modern standards of living and in the case of the UK and its population, barely compatible with even basic standards of nutrition. There isn't a country in the world sufficiently specialised in enough areas of produce and manufacturing that doesn't benefit from tapping the specialisation of other countries' markets. Get this idea out of your head. It isn't happening.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:45 pm

The future for Europe under the anti democratic and voice silencing EU establishment and disconnected political class -

Yellow vests in mass strike as, arch europhile and super federalist, Macron government pushes through new anti-protest laws

"When we begin to restrict individual and collective freedoms and our fundamental right to manifest, we are on a dangerous road"

Secretary General of the CGT Philippe Martinez

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by evensteadiereddie » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:49 pm

:lol:

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by summitclaret » Tue Feb 05, 2019 2:59 pm

Spiral wrote:Self-sufficiency is a fantasy you'd do well to rid yourself of. It isn't compatible with modern standards of living and in the case of the UK and its population, barely compatible with even basic standards of nutrition. There isn't a country in the world sufficiently specialised in enough areas of produce and manufacturing that doesn't benefit from tapping the specialisation of other countries' markets. Get this idea out of your head. It isn't happening.
You only read part of my post.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Spiral » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:12 pm

summitclaret wrote:You only read part of my post.
Yes, "we can be," I read that, but this branch of thought (?) is emblematic of this entire debate; a dopey and unrealistic solution to a completely misdiagnosed issue. We're at a point where the triumph of the ideology is such that standards of living are the sacrificial lamb. How ridiculous is your ideology if prosperity is the price to pay? That's Maoist levels of indoctrination.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:15 pm

Mala591 wrote:The EU has REFUSED to discuss a draft trade deal until the withdrawal agreement was ratified. We have spent 2.5 years arguing about a 'relatively' straightforward withdrawal agreement. The next, far more complicated, step of agreeing a goods and services deal will drag on for many years with France and Spain constantly throwing a spanner in the works.

We either stay in or make a clean break to get out. Imo anything in between will be the worst of both worlds for the future prosperity of the UK.
It's been purposely engineered by the EU bureaucrats & our own domestic pro EU politicians to be as protracted & awkward as possible in order for a second stab at a referendum as the first result wasn't expected.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by summitclaret » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:27 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:It's been purposely engineered by the EU bureaucrats & our own domestic pro EU politicians to be as protracted & awkward as possible in order for a second stab at a referendum as the first result wasn't expected.
Absolutely spot on. Just like the backstop will ensure that any deal will take a decade and be totally in favour of the EU.

There still mps arguing for a second ref with mays deal or remain. These people are so undemocratic it's not possible to believe.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by summitclaret » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:54 pm

Spiral wrote:Yes, "we can be," I read that, but this branch of thought (?) is emblematic of this entire debate; a dopey and unrealistic solution to a completely misdiagnosed issue. We're at a point where the triumph of the ideology is such that standards of living are the sacrificial lamb. How ridiculous is your ideology if prosperity is the price to pay? That's Maoist levels of indoctrination.
It's the EU's idealogy of ever closer union that is the problem. Time that countries started to take back control from Junkcer etl. I hope that process starts at the forthcoming EU elections.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Colburn_Claret » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:00 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:*Logged on*

Dsr/Colburn et al still repeating the stuff that has been proved to be utter horseshit since day 1. As we are now on Day 700 odd, you'd have thought they would have found something else that they can string as a positive...........

Pointless. Country is going to take a hit because people won't admit they might not be experts on trade despite their only experience shopping in more than one supermarket

*Logs out*
You can repeat the same crap as much as you like. I don't have to prove anything, because I can't. Neither can you. You accept the opinion of experts who support your view, and ignore the opinion of experts who disagree with you.
I think for myself.
Leaving the EU isn't the end of the world. Little old Britain will survive. It can fall back on the WTO, as a back stop and trade with Europe as before. We will have to pay a tarrif to do so, but so will they to trade with us.
We will be free to negotiate deals of our own, with whoever we like.
We will not be hamstrung by a federal parliament whose only purpose is to gather as much power as it can, at the expense of the freedoms of its populace.
We won't have to Kow Tow to the ECJ, and some of its frankly weird ideas of what is right and wrong.

Unlike yourself, I accept that it is going to be a bumpy road, and things in some areas will be harder hit than others.
But you can't accept that it isn't ALL doom and gloom. You can't accept that in some areas We will be far better off for having the licence to chart our own course through the world of international trading.
You can't accept that being in charge of our own fiscal policies is better than being tied to the apron strings of the Euro.
You can't accept that signing up to be a part of a European army is a step backwards from making the future safe.

In the real world everything is different shades of grey. In your little world everything is Black and White. As long as you look at life like that you'll never see the truth. You've painted yourself into a corner you're frightened of leaving.

I genuinely feel sorry for you.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by biggles » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:16 pm

a quote from another mis-guided remainer above 'Why should the EU play fair by us? Why should they put our interests over those of their members? This was all explained before the referendum when the Brexiteers were claiming this would be the easiest deal in history but now seems to be coming as a surprise.'

so the EU mobsters are prepared, out of spite, to see a no deal brexit even though that will adversely affect their own members as it will the UK? the thick *remainers need to understand how the EU mobsters operate. it's nothing to do with the 27 nations. the Frogs and Krauts [bet that has over-loaded a few tiny remainer's brains] make the rules and dictate how the others 'vote'.

* = doesn't apply to Taio, of course, who claims it's everyone else who's thick.

oh well, brexit is happening no matter how many tears you remainers shed, no matter the heart attacks and strokes. it's happening and you lot of nasties are gonna suffer for years to come and if that is the only benefit of brexit then it's worth it! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:21 pm

Don't feel sorry for me mate!

I'll let you know when I've stopped laughing at your post.

It might not be for a while yet though!

You need help mate

You don't have a clue what you voted for, and you show it on here on every post.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:28 pm

Care to tell me your expertise level in this "ability to chart our own course in international trading"?

At least I'm bright enough to know I need to read up on stuff before saying stuff on here eh?

And I'm still laughing at the "I think for myself" as you parrot every Sun headline going in one post.

I bet you still think that cat stopped someone being deported don't you?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by biggles » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:28 pm

ooooh lancaster's annoyed! of course, mate, reading your crap i could say the very same. you don't even realise you are totally blinkered about brexit. you spout your remainer's drivel and claim you know what will happen and yet your monotonous posts prove you don't have a clue. just accept it, mate, none of your words on here will change a thing. whinge all you can [and, boy, is that is big heap of ****] nothing you say matters. nothing. no insults, no self-proclamation of knowing it all, no biased predictions of the UK's demise, nothing.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Taffy on the wing » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:31 pm

AlargeClaret wrote:God almighty she could have shaved her fanny ffs,it's not 1973
We have a winner!...........I'm willing to bet money, she doesn't give a toss what you think of her 'fanny'!

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Burnley Ace » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:33 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:You can repeat the same crap as much as you like. I don't have to prove anything, because I can't. Neither can you. You accept the opinion of experts who support your view, and ignore the opinion of experts who disagree with you.
I think for myself.
Leaving the EU isn't the end of the world. Little old Britain will survive. It can fall back on the WTO, as a back stop and trade with Europe as before. We will have to pay a tarrif to do so, but so will they to trade with us.
We will be free to negotiate deals of our own, with whoever we like.
We will not be hamstrung by a federal parliament whose only purpose is to gather as much power as it can, at the expense of the freedoms of its populace.
We won't have to Kow Tow to the ECJ, and some of its frankly weird ideas of what is right and wrong.

Unlike yourself, I accept that it is going to be a bumpy road, and things in some areas will be harder hit than others.
But you can't accept that it isn't ALL doom and gloom. You can't accept that in some areas We will be far better off for having the licence to chart our own course through the world of international trading.
You can't accept that being in charge of our own fiscal policies is better than being tied to the apron strings of the Euro.
You can't accept that signing up to be a part of a European army is a step backwards from making the future safe.

In the real world everything is different shades of grey. In your little world everything is Black and White. As long as you look at life like that you'll never see the truth. You've painted yourself into a corner you're frightened of leaving.

I genuinely feel sorry for you.
Why do you think it would be easier or better for the U.K. to negotiate as an individual country rather than as part of the EU?

What freedoms (for the general populace) have the EU curtailed?

What ruling of the ECJ do you find weird?

What fiscal policy has the U.K. government been unable to use because of the EU?

Why do you think that the U.K. was going to join a Euro army? Even if we were how would that be different to a joint NATO exercise?

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by TVC15 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:34 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote:We have a winner!...........I'm willing to bet money, she doesn't give a toss what you think of her 'fanny'!
Ok i’ll bet you £50 that she will be devestated by AC pointing out her overgrown front garden.

You any idea how we are going to resolve who is right ?!!

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:35 pm

Not aimed at you, but Colburn but if the cap fits.......

But cheers for letting it all out.

If I'm annoying the Brexiteers by constantly telling them facts they would rather not deal with then I'm happy enough with that!

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:37 pm

Think how much trouble we'd be in if the politicians of this country have to listen to the likes of Biggles and Colburn............oh ****
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Burnley Ace » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:38 pm

biggles wrote:ooooh lancaster's annoyed! of course, mate, reading your crap i could say the very same. you don't even realise you are totally blinkered about brexit. you spout your remainer's drivel and claim you know what will happen and yet your monotonous posts prove you don't have a clue. just accept it, mate, none of your words on here will change a thing. whinge all you can [and, boy, is that is big heap of ****] nothing you say matters. nothing. no insults, no self-proclamation of knowing it all, no biased predictions of the UK's demise, nothing.
A perfect example of why referendums are dangerous thing. We all know, we were all at school, with those that couldn’t or wouldn’t listen and learn, the ones that sat at the back shouting out, thinking they were funny and clever and as a child you laughed, now when you see them you tend to point them out to your children as a warning!!

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:41 pm

ON DISPLAY in the tax payer funded, multi million pound, European Parliament's visitor centre, this chilling quote from former British civil servant Philip Kerr:

"National sovereignty is the root cause of the most crying evils of our time and of the steady march of humanity back to tragic disaster and barbarism. The only final remedy for this supreme and catastrophic evil of our time is a federal union of the peoples..."

When the frothing at the mouth, rabid europhile (think the permanently hysterical Guy Verhofstat) believe that "national sovereignty is evil" and they and they alone offer "the final remedy" . It's easy to understand why macron wants to crush dissent.

What's more difficult to understand is why gullible Remoaners fall for the lies, propaganda and duplicitous fear mongering spouted by home grown believers of the "final remedy" .....

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Taffy on the wing » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:43 pm

TVC15 wrote:Too funny for this thread !
It’s because we joined the EU in 1973 that she has let it grow to 1970s porn film “downstairs” Afro levels. The Eurocrats introduced regulations which allowed women to grow wild - you never saw this in the 60s and hopefully after 29th March we go back to much tidier lady gardens.

#brexit-bare-exit
Hairy armpits are making a comeback!...

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by TVC15 » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:46 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote:Hairy armpits are making a comeback!...
I believe that the was the vote winner for the people of Sunderland !

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:47 pm

I'm actually disappointed in you all

None of you have said whether you'd boff the the naked lass yet.

I bet Rowls cracked one over her though! The dirty right winger that he is.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Spiral » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:47 pm

Some of the recent posts on this thread certainly do have the vibe of a flat-Earther telling everyone else they're gullible idiots.
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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Taffy on the wing » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:51 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Why would our EU partners sign an agreement that sounds that good after we've **** all over them with a No Deal?

Ireland in particular gets hit hard by the UKs refusal to stick to what it has already agreed. Why would they then vote to ratify an agreement with the UK?
Exactly!.........Any renegotiation after Brexit, will result in a good bending over for Britain...........if we're lucky they'll use some of that excess Butter.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by summitclaret » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:52 pm

Can anyone tell me who would be the political leader of any EU army? Germany or France? So Germany then? Not really allowed it's own army so I know we can take everybody else's. Nothing to worry about there then.

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:55 pm

Christ, you think an EU army will be controlled by Germany?

Less war films, more reading about the EU if you don't mind summit

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by scouseclaret » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:58 pm

summitclaret wrote:It's the EU's idealogy of ever closer union that is the problem. Time that countries started to take back control from Junkcer etl. I hope that process starts at the forthcoming EU elections.

And there lies the biggest Brexiteer myth of them all. “Take back control”, “lost sovereignty “, the idea that being part of an economic block automatically ties us into ever closer political integration.

Tell me this then. Why aren’t we in the Euro if we didn’t have the choice not to be? How was Tony Blair able to support the US invasion of Iraq after the EU voted not to do so? How was Alostair Darling able to resists calls for us to contribute to the Greek bailout during the Euro crisis? And how the hell were we allowed an EU referendum in thefirat place???

Go on, tell me. Where is this lost sovereignty you speak of? What is it that we have lost “control” of???

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Re: Brexit: The Naked Truth

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:59 pm

"You and I both know that the idea of an EU army is just a dangerous fantasy Nigel "

Nick "tuition fees" Clegg

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