Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020

[Lancasterclaret]

How would that get through Parliament summit?

And you cannot have a referendum ignoring the wishes of 48% of the population.

However much anyone shouts, that is not going to happen.

[AndrewJB]

UKIP won 27% of the vote at the last EU elections. Presumably a lot of people who despise him were willing to vote for him.

Twenty-seven percent of a thirty-six percent turnout suggests not.

[Lancasterclaret]

She's got to ask for an extension (a long one)

And after that, who knows?

[summitclaret]

Its not ignoring anyone. Just vote no. If the people say no then we find another way to leave.

Also she gets it through as the alternative to revocation when the EU try to push us to revoke by saying its no deal

[nil_desperandum]

If any of the cabinet vote for a CU they will have to resign. They might but in doing so they will see the end of the tory party.

If May is going to put forward her Withdrawal Bill a 4th time and bolt on Clarke's CU option to the Political Declaration, (which is what I said) then that means that it will have Cabinet support, and it's the other way round. It means that hose in the cabinet who don't back it will have to resign, but I suspect that if May does add the Clarke proposal to the Withdrawal Agreement then she would have to allow a free vote.
Edit: Can't type fast enough. As I was typing Sky News were suggesting that May could well do what I was suggesting in order to bring back WA next week wit CU added in, (though of course they didn't mention whether it would be Whipped or not)

[Mala591]

Get down to the supermarket quick, before everything runs out...

[Lancasterclaret]

Yes it is.

Think about it if the shoe was on the other foot.

[martin_p]

Twenty-seven percent of a thirty-six percent turnout suggests not.

And that second figure is the key one. If we were to have another EU election I think turn out would be much greater amongst those who voted to stay in the EU.

[Mala591]

#Iwillnevervoteagain

[FactualFrank]

Please not a General Election. The very thought of Mogg, Gove or Johnson as PM should be enough to send shivers down our spines.

[dsr]

General Elections they have never won more than 10%.

And that was when Farage was in his prime. He's certainly not there now.

10% is a huge vote for a single-issue protest party at a general election. And the 90% who voted Tory, Labour, Liberal, etc may have other reasons for not voting UKIP.

[Lancasterclaret]

Or Corbyn for that matter.

GE might not settle anything. Thats why it should be the absolute last resort behind a PV.

Extension plus customs unions plus deal is the way to go.

[Lancasterclaret]

10% is a huge vote for a single-issue protest party at a general election. And the 90% who voted Tory, Labour, Liberal, etc may have other reasons for not voting UKIP.

There are now UKIP, Veterans for Brexit, the Brexit Party, that "For Britain" Party plus the Conservatives plus others.

10% would be a hell of an achievement now, but would translate into 0 seats.

Where is UKIP running everything in the council?

Where is the local party control?

Come off it dsr, live in the real world

[Lancasterclaret]

At this moment in time, in Westminster Square, Tommy Robinson is addressing the Leave means Leave crowd.

Words fail me. Absolutely fail me.

[FactualFrank]

As mentioned though - think it was LC... I had to laugh when I read on the BBC News about Johnson 'backing the PM', by changing his mind and voting for her deal. Absolute laughable. Has he EVER done something unless it benefits him on a personal level?

He must know that all this, "Very painful" crap about supporting her to make sure the country gets out of the EU, was complete poppycock, and we can see through that he did it and one reason only - because she said she's step down, allowing him to go for leadership PM.

The guy is a complete joke.

[elwaclaret]

Very dangerous game. If May resigns it’s likely to be a much more pro brexit mp that takes over. Just because May resigns does not guarantee an election either. Could get even more interesting and devisive soon.

[Lancasterclaret]

Joanna Cherrys Plan is actually a fairly good shout. One of the amendments for Monday I think.

If no deal, then revoke, set up an enquiry into what to do (so we all know) and then 2nd ref.

[South West Claret.]

Is everybody happy ... Yer betcher life we are

[summitclaret]

Joanna Cherrys Plan is actually a fairly good shout. One of the amendments for Monday I think.

If no deal, then revoke, set up an enquiry into what to do (so we all know) and then 2nd ref.

So thats remaining for at least a decade.

[Lancasterclaret]

No it isn't

You could actually read it. That would be a good start!

[Spiral]

The "have we left yet" quip will be getting an airing tonight at about 23:01, I reckon.

[South West Claret.]

4th time lucky I say...or on the other hand

[martin_p]

4th time lucky I say...or on the other hand

Some government sources are suggesting that might be the plan. Let Letwin decide what it wants then effectively have a run off between that (probably customs union) and May’s deal.

[Damo]

Enough is enough.
It's time to leave. No deal. 11pm tonight preferably

[elwaclaret]

Joanna Cherrys Plan is actually a fairly good shout. One of the amendments for Monday I think.

If no deal, then revoke, set up an enquiry into what to do (so we all know) and then 2nd ref.

Still think the lawyers will prevent a referendum about a previous referendum that hasn’t been enacted. Cameron blew millions on a vote that only a few mp’s were desperate for, 9m on Leaflet defending remain, and the whole remain argument started about a bus organised by a few brexiteers who never had a right to promise anything, they were simply not in a position to do anything other than suggest where money could be redirected.

JC will fancy it (in his delusion) as a Nationilist he wants brexit, and believes he has the support for an election win... personally think he’d get a pretty big backlash from his fellow Nationilist traditional support, even if theTory’s give in to an election they are not required to instigate for another couple of years. It’s been a mess all along.

I think the remain cause could just have just as easily forced a much harder brexit as kept the remain option open. As someone who believed in parliament pulling together and sorting out a compromise 3 years (or lifetimes) ago I’m disgusted with the lot of them. I’m not pro May’s deal but l’m certainly not for even more time and multi £m’s and years debating it while the country continues to go down the pan.

the lot of them should be ashamed of themselves.

[nil_desperandum]

Enough is enough.
It's time to leave. No deal. 11pm tonight preferably

That boat sailed months ago. It's just taking a while for it to sink in for some people. What leavers (and remainers tbf) should have been looking at for the past 12 months is how to achieve the best deal. But anyone looking at this realistically would conclude that it's been more important for leavers to engage in this than remainers, since so long as they don't come up with a workable plan, we keep "remaining".

[Spiral]

Enough is enough.
It's time to leave. No deal. 11pm tonight preferably

Statutory Instrument vote which passed recently changed the leave date (under UK law-it was already international law before the HoC vote on Wednesday) to 12th April.

[summitclaret]

No it isn't

You could actually read it. That would be a good start!

I stopped at the word enquiry

[Damo]

That boat sailed months ago.

You might want to relay that message to the European Commission

[elwaclaret]

Statutory Instrument vote which passed recently changed the leave date (under UK law-it was already international law before the HoC vote on Wednesday) to 12th April.

But the whole thing is in Europe’s dictate again now. Several EMP’s have suggested there needs a major breakthrough for any longer stay following the one granted.

It is if anything a little more likely that no deal will be the result than before this vote.

[Darthlaw]

What price now on the EU leveraging the uncertainty and refusing an extension without a GE or PV? If they're as prepared as they are making out, it would certainly put the pressure on the UK to do one, the other or revoke.

Personally, I think if we don't go for the customs union now it's a monumental sh;tshow more than ever (if that's possible).

Isn't this exciting?

[South West Claret.]

Exciting though isn't it.. not

[summitclaret]

What price now on the EU leveraging the uncertainty and refusing an extension without a GE or PV? If they're as prepared as they are making out, it would certainly put the pressure on the UK to do one, the other or revoke.

Personally, I think if we don't go for the customs union now it's a monumental sh;tshow more than ever (if that's possible).

Isn't this exciting?

That's been the EU plan all along. Basically we have to do what we are told. They can't be allowed to tell us what our trade policy is once we are out.

[SmudgetheClaret]

The remain voters are bang on when they say we know more now than we did at the vote in 2016
for example its confirmed we are completely under the control of the unelected EU and it feels like
a dictatorship its far far worse than we thought...

[Elizabeth]

Personally I'm hoping for a General Election. This will give all voters, remain or leave, the opportunity to show their MP how they feel about what's gone on in Parliament. The man in the street's idea of what representation means has taken a big knock and now is the time to let their MP know.
By man in the street I don't mean all the so called experts on here.

[elwaclaret]

Personally I'm hoping for a General Election. This will give all voters, remain or leave, the opportunity to show their MP how they feel about what's gone on in Parliament. The man in the street's idea of what representation means has taken a big knock and now is the time to let their MP know.
By man in the street I don't mean all the so called experts on here.

Just watch the whole election thing disappear again on the back of the voter backlash.

The whole debacle is so reminiscent to attitudes on the build up to WW1. Wishful thinking and rigid positions built on nothing but supposition, not evidence. People assuming to know only seeing their visions as unquestionable... embarrassing and dangerous, yet still they will carry on playing their games with peoples lives for self promotion.

[Jakubclaret]

When you say EUs inflexibility don’t you understand that it could only be like that? These aren’t “emerging realities” this was and always has been the reality. You were lied to, you fell for the lies and now you are trying to pass it off as a “well it hasn’t quite worked out as we expected”

Another step closer after the withdrawal agreement being rejected to the dream of becoming a self governing independent sovereign nation, I’m starting to like the DUP, no deal is becoming likelier, hopefully Monday becomes a better start to the weekday than Friday finished off this weekday.

[Lancasterclaret]

Nigel Dodds DUP

""We will look at any option. At the end of the day why should we believe that it was right to vote Leave? When we were in the EU people were quite happy with that in N Ireland because we were there together with everybody else."

Wow

Course, because this is brexit

"We want to see Brexit delivered, we believe the referendum result should be respected and delivered on but it can’t be at the risk of separating Northern Ireland out from the rest of the United Kingdom."

[nil_desperandum]

Nigel Dodds DUP

""We will look at any option. At the end of the day why should we believe that it was right to vote Leave? When we were in the EU people were quite happy with that in N Ireland because we were there together with everybody else."

Wow

Double wow!
He really said that?????

[Lancasterclaret]

Yeah, but he wants whatever keeps NI and UK exactly the same.

That could be "No Deal" as well, but its the first time they have stated that EU membership also works for them as Unionists.

Big step. Actually no, huge, huge step.

DUP + everybody else outvotes Government (assuming one switcher)

[Imploding Turtle]

Double wow!
He really said that?????

Maybe they're after another billion or two.

[Guich]

I think by 'everybody else' he probably meant England, Scotland and Wales

[Lancasterclaret]

UKIP backers speaking to a French newspaper in Westminister Square

"Pour la famille Hamilton, le maire de Londres est musulman et « c’est un problème ». « Il cherche à bannir la vente du bacon. Nous le voulons pendu et découpé en morceaux »"

Very depressing, and whoever is running the leave campaign needs to get this thing shut down sharpish before it loses any more support.

[Greenmile]

Still think the lawyers will prevent a referendum about a previous referendum that hasn’t been enacted....

And you’re still wrong. The referendum was advisory. There are political reasons why a second referendum may not happen but absolutely no legal reasons.

[Elizabeth]

Maybe the time that the PM realises that she cannot do anything more to save herself from going down in history as the Prime Minister who let down 17. 4 million people will be the time she concedes to a General Election with a new Conservative leader.
While the PM could not have done anything more to get her deal through, and will be remembered for that, history I think will see her as incompetent

[nil_desperandum]

UKIP backers speaking to a French newspaper in Westminister Square

"Pour la famille Hamilton, le maire de Londres est musulman et « c’est un problème ». « Il cherche à bannir la vente du bacon. Nous le voulons pendu et découpé en morceaux »"

Very depressing, and whoever is running the leave campaign needs to get this thing shut down sharpish before it loses any more support.

That statement seems even more unlikley than the one you have just quoted by Dodds.
If Ukip supporters are really coming out with stuff like this, and putting TR on a pedestal, then many "leavers", (and there are a lot of very reasonable ones) , might start to question the company they are in.

[Lancasterclaret]

Just watch the whole election thing disappear again on the back of the voter backlash.

The whole debacle is so reminiscent to attitudes on the build up to WW1. Wishful thinking and rigid positions built on nothing but supposition, not evidence. People assuming to know only seeing their visions as unquestionable... embarrassing and dangerous, yet still they will carry on playing their games with peoples lives for self promotion.

Change your course at uni elwa.

Fantasy history is an even worse degree than an history one!

[Lancasterclaret]

And you’re still wrong. The referendum was advisory. There are political reasons why a second referendum may not happen but absolutely no legal reasons.

FFS Quoting the wrong thing. I agree 100% with Greenmile

[Lancasterclaret]

These speakers at the UKIP demo are nutters.

If these get broadcast on national tv, leave is going to take an absolutely fateful hit.

[Greenmile]

You are persisting with this, It is 100% rubbish.

Really?? Are you saying the referendum was legally binding, or are you still struggling with the quote function?