Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020

[Lancasterclaret]

Tell you what though.

Johnson deserves a lot of credit for pushing for this deal.

But it does make his initial attempts to push for "No Deal" at any cost completely mental.

He'd still have a parliamentary majority if he'd pushed for this at the start.

Really, really, really don't understand it.

[RingoMcCartney]

Remoaner lie - "it's clear that Boris is attempting to engineer a "no deal" situation"



Thursday 17th October

Remoaner lie , well and truly busted!

[RingoMcCartney]

Tom Brake whose constituents voted to leave on the radio this morning.

Presenter- " given you were against a no deal brexit, now that Boris has a deal, will you be voting for it?"

Tom Brake- " no"

Presenter- " have you read the deal?"

Tom Brake - "no"


Pathetic, absolutely ridiculous and pathetic!

[Damo]

Tell you what though.

Johnson deserves a lot of credit for pushing for this deal.

But it does make his initial attempts to push for "No Deal" at any cost completely mental.

He'd still have a parliamentary majority if he'd pushed for this at the start.

Really, really, really don't understand it.

The EU wouldn't have agreed to remove the backstop without the credible threat of no deal.

It's exactly what brexiteers have been telling you for the past 2 years

[RingoMcCartney]

The whole of the North West is poor?

No. My multi tasking friend , who can both deny poverty and democracy simultaneously!!!!


Impressive skills!!!


Good effort!!

[Spijed]

Breaking:

DUP have just said they are voting NO on Saturday

[Lancasterclaret]

The EU wouldn't have agreed to remove the backstop without the credible threat of no deal.

It's exactly what brexiteers have been telling you for the past 2 years

Not even remotely true

Its actually a LOL! moment to be fair.

I've given a lot of credit to Johnson.

He only started to negotiate when it became obvious that "No Deal" was off the table.

Before then he tried everything to ignore Parliament.

The EU have got what they wanted here as well Damo.

Thats why the deal has been agreed.

[TheFamilyCat]

No. My multi tasking friend , who can both deny poverty and democracy simultaneously!!!!


Impressive skills!!!


Good effort!!

Can you explain where I have denied poverty and democracy?

I understand you may just be a little bit giddy today but don't spoil it for yourself by making things up again.

[Lancasterclaret]

Can you explain where I have denied poverty and democracy?

I understand you may just be a little bit giddy today but don't spoil it for yourself by making things up again.

I don't understand why he'd be giddy at all.

This deal, though imperfect, would get any serious No Deal Brexiteer frothing at the mouth.

And it absolutely torpedoes any chance of Farage being relevant.

[AlargeClaret]

Has this deal really got even the slightest chance of passing ? Surely not ? The rest have to block it, as chaos is the only political hope for Lab /Lib .

Though the thought of an election fought “ over Brexit” a a hung parliament and another ref is just unthinkable . If it went through Boris would romp an election and possibly a rout of Corbyn and the opposition know damn well it’s about their political lives not the passing of a democratic vote

It’s May’s deal pretty much but if it settles things down , let’s the country go with new challenges and finishes Farage I’m all for it

[TheFamilyCat]

I don't understand why he'd be giddy at all.

This deal, though imperfect, would get any serious No Deal Brexiteer frothing at the mouth.

And it absolutely torpedoes any chance of Farage being relevant.

I was referring more to his opportunity to gloat rather than the deal itself (see his first two contributions to this page).

[Lancasterclaret]

I was referring more to his opportunity to gloat rather than the deal itself (see his first two contributions to this page).

With you now!

[Devils_Advocate]

Has this deal really got even the slightest chance of passing ? Surely not ? The rest have to block it, as chaos is the only political hope for Lab /Lib

Wont it pass without Lab / Lib support if the Tory rebels who were against No Deal and the ERG and DUP back it?

[Lowbankclaret]

So the DUP is voting no
Labour is voting no
Lib Den voting no.
SNP voting no.

It’s not going through Parliament.

[Lancasterclaret]

Wont it pass without Lab / Lib support if the Tory rebels who were against No Deal and the ERG and DUP back it?

ERG appear to be onside (the only reason they are is because they understand this is the last chance)

DUP will vote against

Labour MPs will be crucial.

I just can't see how any Labour MP can look at this and not wonder why the ERG are backing it.

And if Corbyn is going to win an election (no laughing everybody, they think he can, and thats what counts!) then it has to be in the midst of a Tory failure to pass this deal and an extension, and an GE.

[Damo]

Wont it pass without Lab / Lib support if the Tory rebels who were against No Deal and the ERG and DUP back it?

Boris is on his way to Brussels to request there be no extension.
So it will be this deal or no deal.
That might force a few to get on board

[RingoMcCartney]

Can you explain where I have denied poverty and democracy?

I understand you may just be a little bit giddy today but don't spoil it for yourself by making things up again.

You questioned if the " whole of the North West was poor?"

You multi tasked again!

Being boring and pedantic simultaneously!

Again, great skills!

I'm impressed

[Lancasterclaret]

Boris is on his way to Brussels to request there be no extension.
So it will be this deal or no deal.
That might force a few to get on board

But if the EU do that, then they are interfering in our internal affairs

I mean, that would be the ultimate irony of Brexit if it only got through because the EU overruled the UK sovereign parliament.

[RingoMcCartney]

I was referring more to his opportunity to gloat rather than the deal itself (see his first two contributions to this page).

You have an unusual understanding of the meaning of the word, "gloat"

Remoaner lie - "it's clear that Boris is attempting to engineer a "no deal" situation"



Thursday 17th October

Remoaner lie , well and truly busted!













Tom Brake whose constituents voted to leave on the radio this morning.

Presenter- " given you were against a no deal brexit, now that Boris has a deal, will you be voting for it?"

Tom Brake- " no"

Presenter- " have you read the deal?"

Tom Brake - "no"


Pathetic, absolutely ridiculous and pathetic!


That, is mocking at those proven wrong and those showing themselves to look ridiculous!

No gloating here.

[Damo]

Not even remotely true

Its actually a LOL! moment to be fair.

I've given a lot of credit to Johnson.

He only started to negotiate when it became obvious that "No Deal" was off the table.

Before then he tried everything to ignore Parliament.

The EU have got what they wanted here as well Damo.

Thats why the deal has been agreed.

If boris actually wanted no deal, then he would have jumped into bed with farage.
Boris wanted the backstop removed (as did most brexiteers) and the only way that was going to happen was by the EU blinking.
I agree there has been concessions on both sides, but this deal is much better for everyone than May's deal.
That's why it has been agreed

[RingoMcCartney]

FWIW , I wouldn't be entirely bothered if the deal is voted down.

It will only lead to a remoaner infested rotten parliament being flushed out one way or another.

The underminers, the frustrators, the democracy denying traitorous rats are going to have to face the ballot box.

Bring it.

[AlargeClaret]

Boris is on his way to Brussels to request there be no extension.
So it will be this deal or no deal.
That might force a few to get on board

This is surely Boris’s only chance but no way will the EU block an extension, even though they want this done n dusted they won’t overule Parliament ( no matter how insane )

[Lowbankclaret]

ERG appear to be onside (the only reason they are is because they understand this is the last chance)

DUP will vote against

Labour MPs will be crucial.

I just can't see how any Labour MP can look at this and not wonder why the ERG are backing it.

And if Corbyn is going to win an election (no laughing everybody, they think he can, and thats what counts!) then it has to be in the midst of a Tory failure to pass this deal and an extension, and an GE.

There were screen shots of rumours that Labour MP’s who vote for it will be deselected.

May or may not be true.

[Lancasterclaret]

If boris actually wanted no deal, then he would have jumped into bed with farage.
Boris wanted the backstop removed (as did most brexiteers) and the only way that was going to happen was by the EU blinking.
I agree there has been concessions on both sides, but this deal is much better for everyone than May's deal.
That's why it has been agreed

That completely ignore the reality of the parliamentary situation though.

Ally with Farage? - gives farage exactly what he wants, legitimacy and he'd have to give up safe Tory seats - never going to happen

Backstop removed? - Yeah, by burying it in the main deal. The backstop is now an essential part of this deal, just called something else

EU blinking - compromise shown by UK matched by compromise shown by EU

Better than Mays deal? - not according to anything I've read. This is financially a worse deal.

[Lancasterclaret]

FWIW , I wouldn't be entirely bothered if the deal is voted down.

It will only lead to a remoaner infested rotten parliament being flushed out one way or another.

The underminers, the frustrators, the democracy denying traitorous rats are going to have to face the ballot box.

Bring it.

You are going to be hilarious annoyed if it turns out the whole country doesn't think like you Ringo.

[Damo]

But if the EU do that, then they are interfering in our internal affairs

I mean, that would be the ultimate irony of Brexit if it only got through because the EU overruled the UK sovereign parliament.

I think its obvious to most people that parts of parliament would not vote in favour of any deal struck by the tories, so if the EU has to step in to get this mess sorted out, then I can only be a good thing.

General election next and we can elect a parliament that will do what it is supposed to do (hopefully)

[Lancasterclaret]

I think its obvious to most people that parts of parliament would not vote in favour of any deal struck by the tories, so if the EU has to step in to get this mess sorted out, then I can only be a good thing.

General election next and we can elect a parliament that will do what it is supposed to do (hopefully)

EU won't interfere in our internal affairs over this Damo.

They might realise a statement urging us to accept the deal, but they won't do anything before saturday as it would count as "interfering"

Again, its back to Johnsons mistakes at the start of his premiership that are coming back to haunt him.

[Spijed]

lisa o'carroll
@lisaocarroll
So my understanding is: Boris Johnson decided to do deal without the DUP. He knows he won't get the deal through parliament, but he will get what he always wanted - a general election with a deal that he can wave at the electorate.

[dsr]

I think its obvious to most people that parts of parliament would not vote in favour of any deal struck by the tories, so if the EU has to step in to get this mess sorted out, then I can only be a good thing.

General election next and we can elect a parliament that will do what it is supposed to do (hopefully)

So far, Labour party policy on Brexit has been easy - see what the Tories propose, and vote against it. No need to make any positive suggestions or have an active policy at all.

It will be interesting to see if it's a vote-winner. I think when the time comes, they will continue voting against a General Election.

[TheFamilyCat]

You questioned if the " whole of the North West was poor?"

You multi tasked again!

Being boring and pedantic simultaneously!

Again, great skills!

I'm impressed

You're not making much sense but that has come to be expected.

I did question another of your outlandish claims.

Where have I denied poverty and democracy?

[RingoMcCartney]

Remoaners- "We arent against brexit. We just want to stop a no deal brexit"



Boris - "we now have a deal"





Remoaners- "Er, well , er, hang on, er, "

[Lancasterclaret]

So far, Labour party policy on Brexit has been easy - see what the Tories propose, and vote against it. No need to make any positive suggestions or have an active policy at all.

It will be interesting to see if it's a vote-winner. I think when the time comes, they will continue voting against a General Election.

100% guarantee they vote for a GE after a "No Deal" is averted.

Thats is their best chance of winning (no laughing at the back!)

[RingoMcCartney]

You're not making much sense but that has come to be expected.

I did question another of your outlandish claims.

Where have I denied poverty and democracy?

Bore off.

[dsr]

100% guarantee they vote for a GE after a "No Deal" is averted.

Thats is their best chance of winning (no laughing at the back!)

Maybe. I'd have thought their best chance was to wait until Brexit is over - if it ever is - because as it stands, virtually everyone who cares about Brexit will vote for someone else. One of the parties with a policy about it.

[RingoMcCartney]

Labour arent frightened of losing a general election.






They're scared to death of winning it.

[Lancasterclaret]

Maybe. I'd have thought their best chance was to wait until Brexit is over - if it ever is - because as it stands, virtually everyone who cares about Brexit will vote for someone else. One of the parties with a policy about it.

If that was the case, they would vote for this deal.

Their only chance is if this fails on sat, extension required and the voting public are sick of the Tories, plus probably the Brexit Party affecting the Tory vote.

Its a long shot, but its all they have got.

[Lancasterclaret]

Basically, due to the deal if we pass the deal on sat, then we leave on Oct 31st.

Confirmed by the EU.

[Tall Paul]

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[Rick_Muller]

who put 50p into the dickhead...?

[TheFamilyCat]

Bore off.

Ha!

[Colburn_Claret]

That's not actually a fact though. Modern trade deals include far more than just trade within their scope.

CETA (the EU/Canada trade deal) for instance includes various undertakings on workers' rights and the environment.

The difference it is part of a trade agreement, its not imposed as a condition.
The EU and Canada would have negotiated the deal, it wouldn't be a case of the EU telling Canada, that's it, take it or leave it.
Europe is a massive market, but its also one of the slowest growing economies in the world. The rest of the world find far more growth to be found selling outside the EU, they don't need to be bullied into anything by Brussels. There is no need for us to be bullied into it either.
I have no problem agreeing to workers rights or environment issues, in order to maintain a trade agreement, we wouldn't need to alter anything, as I believe we are far ahead of the field in these areas. Where it would fall flat is if we paint ourselves into a corner, where the EU can move the goalposts unilaterally without our approval.
The point most people seem to be missing, is that they believe these things are only possible if we remain within the EU. As if without the EU we would be pouring **** into the rivers, without the EU we would be pushing kids up chimneys. We as Great Britain, are more than capable of deciding what we think workers rights should be, we are more than capable of meeting environmental responsibilities, this bullshit philosophy that somehow without the EU we are heading back to the stoneage. It's in our hands, at the Ballot Box, to create the world we want, not in the hands of Brussels.

[Lancasterclaret]

The difference it is part of a trade agreement, its not imposed as a condition.
The EU and Canada would have negotiated the deal, it wouldn't be a case of the EU telling Canada, that's it, take it or leave it.
Europe is a massive market, but its also one of the slowest growing economies in the world. The rest of the world find far more growth to be found selling outside the EU, they don't need to be bullied into anything by Brussels. There is no need for us to be bullied into it either.
I have no problem agreeing to workers rights or environment issues, in order to maintain a trade agreement, we wouldn't need to alter anything, as I believe we are far ahead of the field in these areas. Where it would fall flat is if we paint ourselves into a corner, where the EU can move the goalposts unilaterally without our approval.
The point most people seem to be missing, is that they believe these things are only possible if we remain within the EU. As if without the EU we would be pouring **** into the rivers, without the EU we would be pushing kids up chimneys. We as Great Britain, are more than capable of deciding what we think workers rights should be, we are more than capable of meeting environmental responsibilities, this bullshit philosophy that somehow without the EU we are heading back to the stoneage. It's in our hands, at the Ballot Box, to create the world we want, not in the hands of Brussels.

I'm not going to miss posts like this

[Colburn_Claret]

I'm not going to miss posts like this

I hope that means you are emigrating when we leave.

[AndyClaret]

EU won't interfere in our internal affairs over this Damo.

They might realise a statement urging us to accept the deal, but they won't do anything before saturday as it would count as "interfering"

Again, its back to Johnsons mistakes at the start of his premiership that are coming back to haunt him.

They aren't interfering though, we can request an extension, and they can say no.

[Lancasterclaret]

Ulster Unionists effectively switch from "leave" to "remain" on the basis of this deal

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[Lancasterclaret]

I hope that means you are emigrating when we leave.

Why would I leave?

Got to stay and counterbalance all the people who don't have a clue about stuff they pontificate about.

[Lancasterclaret]

They aren't interfering though, we can request an extension, and they can say no.

Nah, doesn't work like that

They would be interfering in our internal affairs if they did before the vote on Sat

They would be interfering in our internal affairs if they did after the vote on Sat*

*if they need to that is!

Look, we've just got to hope that whatever happens on Sat, its in the best interests of the country and represents the best chance of uniting us when we move on from this (whatever that may be)

[jrgbfc]

The difference it is part of a trade agreement, its not imposed as a condition.
The EU and Canada would have negotiated the deal, it wouldn't be a case of the EU telling Canada, that's it, take it or leave it.
Europe is a massive market, but its also one of the slowest growing economies in the world. The rest of the world find far more growth to be found selling outside the EU, they don't need to be bullied into anything by Brussels. There is no need for us to be bullied into it either.
I have no problem agreeing to workers rights or environment issues, in order to maintain a trade agreement, we wouldn't need to alter anything, as I believe we are far ahead of the field in these areas. Where it would fall flat is if we paint ourselves into a corner, where the EU can move the goalposts unilaterally without our approval.
The point most people seem to be missing, is that they believe these things are only possible if we remain within the EU. As if without the EU we would be pouring **** into the rivers, without the EU we would be pushing kids up chimneys. We as Great Britain, are more than capable of deciding what we think workers rights should be, we are more than capable of meeting environmental responsibilities, this bullshit philosophy that somehow without the EU we are heading back to the stoneage. It's in our hands, at the Ballot Box, to create the world we want, not in the hands of Brussels.

Or maybe people just don't trust the Tories when it comes to things like workers rights?

[RingoMcCartney]

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I hope you're right about prices coming down next year, I quite fancy a Tesla myself
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Message board shock horror, as Remoaner reveals himself to be a champagne Socialist!!!!

[Tall Paul]

I'm no socialist.