Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020

[RingoMcCartney]

You probably think unprecedented means counties without presidents.

Which counties do?







(Cue reference to cricket or something equally as desperate)

[RingoMcCartney]

On the day that Nissan, inspite of what we were assured would happen to the plant, announces that Sunderland will become its European HQ.

And Marty is reduced to arguing the toss about whether or not we're in an unprecedented global pandemic and crisis or not

Pathetic. Just simply pathetic.

[TheFamilyCat]

On the day that Nissan, inspite of what we were assured would happen to the plant, announces that Sunderland will become its European HQ.

And Marty is reduced to arguing the toss about whether or not we're in an unprecedented global pandemic and crisis or not

Pathetic. Just simply pathetic.

Probably worth reminding ourselves at this point that you were the only person saying that the Sunderland plant would close if we left the EU.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Probably worth reminding ourselves at this point that you were the only person saying that the Sunderland plant would close if we left the EU.

He wasn't really and a quick check can verify that.

However that was the message being hammered by the media and other people, which Ringo used on here as an example of the fear mongering being spread by Pro-EU supporters.

When they announced their plans to stop production of the diesel only model X-Trail at Sunderland many on here seemed convinced that it was due to Brexit when it was proven to be emissions related.

In fact there was a thread all about the automotive industry on here which was full of inaccuracies from people on here who were showing their ignorance of a lot of things despite being presented with facts and alternative views to their own.

[Zlatan]

If I mention DC will this thread get locked too?

[martin_p]

He wasn't really and a quick check can verify that.

However that was the message being hammered by the media and other people, which Ringo used on here as an example of the fear mongering being spread by Pro-EU supporters.

When they announced their plans to stop production of the diesel only model X-Trail at Sunderland many on here seemed convinced that it was due to Brexit when it was proven to be emissions related.

In fact there was a thread all about the automotive industry on here which was full of inaccuracies from people on here who were showing their ignorance of a lot of things despite being presented with facts and alternative views to their own.

I’d do your quick check if I were you! Plenty were saying it’d cost jobs, no one said the plant would close.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

I’d do your quick check if I were you! Plenty were saying it’d cost jobs, no one said the plant would close.

Lots of stuff has been deleted by mods though, including said automotive thread.

[tiger76]

If I mention DC will this thread get locked too?

Your correct Zlatan David Cameron has a lot to answer for

[Bordeauxclaret]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=36513&hilit=%2Aniss ... tart=18050

This is where no evidence could be found.

[RingoMcCartney]

Probably worth reminding ourselves at this point that you were the only person saying that the Sunderland plant would close if we left the EU.

Probably worth pointing out you and the rest of the merry band of resentment filled, sore losers are either living in a parallel universe. Or have just become so used to telling bare faced porkies about the UKs prospects outside the EU and simply cant , now, break the habit. Or both!


https://www.industryweek.com/supply-cha ... auto-plant

but post-Brexit prospects for the plant remain grim.
Bloomberg


https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/o ... ss-dilemma

Will Nissan stay once Britain leaves? How one factory explains the Brexit business dilemma


Nissan takes Vote Leave to court over Brexit claims

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/0 ... it-claims/

https://www.ft.com/content/900d015a-3ba ... b487ebd80a

After a resounding Brexit vote, Sunderland fears for Nissan plant

The British car industry issued a clear warning: leaving the EU could put jobs at risk.

Crash-Out Brexit Could Force Closure Of Sunderland Car Plant, Warns Nissan Boss

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonrei ... ssan-boss/

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/no ... t-16031226

Revealed: How much the North East would lose if Nissan shuts its Washington factory

Sunderland’s citizens seem to have voted against their own interests. Not only has the city been a big recipient of European money, it is also the home of a Nissan car factory, Britain’s largest, and automobiles produced there are exported, duty free, to Europe. The plant, which absorbed workers from the dying shipyards after it opened 30 years ago, became a symbol of the benefits of European Union membership, and Nissan opposed the British exit.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/28/worl ... meron.html


After a resounding Brexit vote, Sunderland fears for Nissan plant

https://www.ft.com/content/900d015a-3ba ... unreadable

She told BBC News: “Nissan, I believe, was one of those companies that was effectively asked by the Prime Minister to write a letter to the employees and I think what you're seeing here is the reaction to that, which I understand has been quite widespread across the country where people have actually taken offence at being directed to do something and then seemingly that whole message has been undermined in the later stage.”

[Devils_Advocate]

I think this could be one of Ringo's worst posts ever

[Swizzlestick]

What an absolute spanner.

[Bordeauxclaret]

Has he just made up six links to stories which don’t exist????

First six take you nowhere.

[RingoMcCartney]

Apologise for the glitches guys. All links available for your perusal in my earlier post. We experienced some technical difficulties earlier, but, they've now been rectified. So , normal service of showing that 48% of voters clearly fell for the lies of Project Fear, has now been resumed!

The latest being Nissan's Sunderland plant going from strength to strength! Compare and contrast to what was said by fear mongering liars, and believed by gullible, I think the technical term is, "spanners"

[TheFamilyCat]

Probably worth pointing out you and the rest of the merry band of resentment filled, sore losers are either living in a parallel universe. Or have just become so used to telling bare faced porkies about the UKs prospects outside the EU and simply cant , now, break the habit. Or both!


https://www.industryweek.com/supply-cha ... auto-plant

but post-Brexit prospects for the plant remain grim.
Bloomberg


https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/o ... ss-dilemma

Will Nissan stay once Britain leaves? How one factory explains the Brexit business dilemma


Nissan takes Vote Leave to court over Brexit claims

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/0 ... it-claims/

https://www.ft.com/content/900d015a-3ba ... b487ebd80a

After a resounding Brexit vote, Sunderland fears for Nissan plant

The British car industry issued a clear warning: leaving the EU could put jobs at risk.

Crash-Out Brexit Could Force Closure Of Sunderland Car Plant, Warns Nissan Boss

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonrei ... ssan-boss/

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/no ... t-16031226

Revealed: How much the North East would lose if Nissan shuts its Washington factory

Sunderland’s citizens seem to have voted against their own interests. Not only has the city been a big recipient of European money, it is also the home of a Nissan car factory, Britain’s largest, and automobiles produced there are exported, duty free, to Europe. The plant, which absorbed workers from the dying shipyards after it opened 30 years ago, became a symbol of the benefits of European Union membership, and Nissan opposed the British exit.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/28/worl ... meron.html


After a resounding Brexit vote, Sunderland fears for Nissan plant

https://www.ft.com/content/900d015a-3ba ... unreadable

She told BBC News: “Nissan, I believe, was one of those companies that was effectively asked by the Prime Minister to write a letter to the employees and I think what you're seeing here is the reaction to that, which I understand has been quite widespread across the country where people have actually taken offence at being directed to do something and then seemingly that whole message has been undermined in the later stage.”

I must admit that I found it amusing that Ringo could get himself into such a lather that he spent such a beautiful afternoon responding.

Of course there was a slight hiccup with the links but the quotes were most useful, especially as none of them supported the myth you have constantly peddled that "the plant would close" if we left the EU.

You created your own "Project Fear" so you could then celebrate when it didn't happen.

Anyway, let's just add it to the "things that are only real in Ringo's mind" list and move on.

[RingoMcCartney]

I must admit that I found it amusing that Ringo could get himself into such a lather that he spent such a beautiful afternoon responding.

Of course there was a slight hiccup with the links but the quotes were most useful, especially as none of them supported the myth you have constantly peddled that "the plant would close" if we left the EU.

You created your own "Project Fear" so you could then celebrate when it didn't happen.

Anyway, let's just add it to the "things that are only real in Ringo's mind" list and move on.

I respond at the end of beautiful afternoon, after making the most of it with family. You post at half 10 on a Saturday night! But let's move on shall we.

Now, read my original post again.

On the day that Nissan, inspite of what we were assured would happen to the plant, announces that Sunderland will become its European HQ.

"What we were assured would happen to the plant" given everything that was said about Sunderland, could mean any of the following. Redundancies, certain shifts ending, no new investment, no new models, production moving to mainland plants and indeed, plant closure.

But you made an assumption didnt you ! You jumped in all guns blazing.

Probably worth reminding ourselves at this point that you were the only person saying that the Sunderland plant would close if we left the EU.

Where in my post do I say "the plant would close?"

You made a wrong assumption that's what I'd said. I did not. It's there in black n white. You were the one that brought "plant closure" into it with you blind presumption. Not me!

You even had someone on a wild goose chase acting like a cross between research clerk and errand boy, desperately trawling through historical posts in trying to find quotes that proved something I wasnt even saying! Talk about a fools errand!

You were wrong to make the assumption. More importantly, you and your merry band have been proven gloriously wrong about the future of Nissan Sunderland, which is now very bright inspite of what we were assured would happen to the plant.

A double whammy on getting it wrong! Fabulous effort!
Just fabulous!

RingoMcCartney and the good folk of Sunderland 1. The UTC messageboard , sore loser, remoaners 0

[evensteadiereddie]

Mystic Smeg McCartney in new meltdown shock !

[tiger76]

No deal Brexit looming large or is Barnier talking tough for a European audience?https://uk.news.yahoo.com/no-brexit-tra ... 6436.html

If we can't even rubber stamp the WA,which is supposed to be legally binding,then i don't hold out much hope of a comprehensive trade deal.

[RingoMcCartney]

Mystic McCartney- having the uncanny habit of calling it right , early doors, on all manner of things. Referendum, general elections, John Bercow (where is he now!) The labour party's electoral fortunes, car plants future, Since 2016

And boy! Boy oh boy! Does it get to some!? Does it!

[Devils_Advocate]

Now, read my original post again.



"What we were assured would happen to the plant" given everything that was said about Sunderland, could mean any of the following. Redundancies, certain shifts ending, no new investment, no new models, production moving to mainland plants and indeed, plant closure.

But you made an assumption didnt you ! You jumped in all guns blazing.



Where in my post do I say "the plant would close?"

You made a wrong assumption that's what I'd said. I did not. It's there in black n white. You were the one that brought "plant closure" into it with you blind presumption. Not me!

The original post you made on the subject following this weeks Nissan news is below.

To make it easier Ive highlighted the bit where you talk about this so called lie that it was suggested Nissan Sunderland would shut (close) if Leave won

Nissan to close its spanish plant and make Sunderland the centre of its European operation!

So the lie that Nissan would shut Sunderland if we had the temerity to vote "leave" was just one of a long line of lies that , thankfully, the majority of voters saw through.

[martin_p]

Mystic McCartney- having the uncanny habit of calling it right , early doors, on all manner of things. Referendum, general elections, John Bercow (where is he now!) The labour party's electoral fortunes, car plants future, Since 2016

And boy! Boy oh boy! Does it get to some!? Does it!

FYI - John Bercow retired. I’ve no doubt he’s earning thousands on the speech circuit.

[evensteadiereddie]

Crackers !

It's not as if anybody else in the country predicted any of those or even put money on them, is it ? The awful thing is, of course, all your ahem, prophecies and their coming to fruition have now been rendered largely meaningless by the pandemic.

You forgot to mention your invention of the phrases "ivory tower" and "metropolitan bubble".....

By the way, Smeg, can you use your uncanny powers to predict when Elizabeth will post next ?

[TheFamilyCat]

I respond at the end of beautiful afternoon, after making the most of it with family. You post at half 10 on a Saturday night! But let's move on shall we.

Now, read my original post again.



"What we were assured would happen to the plant" given everything that was said about Sunderland, could mean any of the following. Redundancies, certain shifts ending, no new investment, no new models, production moving to mainland plants and indeed, plant closure.

But you made an assumption didnt you ! You jumped in all guns blazing.



Where in my post do I say "the plant would close?"

You made a wrong assumption that's what I'd said. I did not. It's there in black n white. You were the one that brought "plant closure" into it with you blind presumption. Not me!

You even had someone on a wild goose chase acting like a cross between research clerk and errand boy, desperately trawling through historical posts in trying to find quotes that proved something I wasnt even saying! Talk about a fools errand!

You were wrong to make the assumption. More importantly, you and your merry band have been proven gloriously wrong about the future of Nissan Sunderland, which is now very bright inspite of what we were assured would happen to the plant.

A double whammy on getting it wrong! Fabulous effort!
Just fabulous!

RingoMcCartney and the good folk of Sunderland 1. The UTC messageboard , sore loser, remoaners 0

Oh well, Devil's Advocate has already provided the response to this, frankly laughable attempt at denial so I don't need to.

And it's probably as well not getting into a conversation about what times we were posting; you'd only end up trying to paste a load of links (that probably don't work anyway) to try to support your claim that 1.13pm is the end of the afternoon.

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[RingoMcCartney]

The original post you made on the subject following this weeks Nissan news is below.

To make it easier Ive highlighted the bit where you talk about this so called lie that it was suggested Nissan Sunderland would shut (close) if Leave won

Nice try to be fair. However, you've very conveniently chosen not to highlight the actual post I made to which The Family Cat replied and made his assumption.

On the day that Nissan, inspite of what we were assured would happen to the plant, announces that Sunderland will become its European HQ.

And Marty is reduced to arguing the toss about whether or not we're in an unprecedented global pandemic and crisis or not

Pathetic. Just simply pathetic.

Probably worth reminding ourselves at this point that you were the only person saying that the Sunderland plant would close if we left the EU.

If you're going to highlight posts, do try and highlight the ones that were relevant!

[RingoMcCartney]

Crackers !

It's not as if anybody else in the country predicted any of those or even put money on them, is it ? The awful thing is, of course, all your ahem, prophecies and their coming to fruition have now been rendered largely meaningless by the pandemic.

You forgot to mention your invention of the phrases "ivory tower" and "metropolitan bubble".....

By the way, Smeg, can you use your uncanny powers to predict when Elizabeth will post next ?

Eddie, I've watched you repeat this Myth time and time again!

I never ever said I invented the phrases "ivory tower" and "metropolitan bubble".....

I simply said that long before it was being mentioned in the post election analysis of labours disastrous defeat. I had been using the phrase "dwellers of the metropolitan London borough of Ivory Towers"

There's a big big difference in someone saying they used a phrase early, and them saying they "invented" it

It was you on your typical haste to seize upon something I'd never actually said. Like a Jack Russell pup, with a teddy, shaking its head furiously and repeatedly! You've refused to let it go!


Since then I've literally laughed out loud every time you believed your own BS! I hesitated about reminding you and thought about letting you carry on. But, to be honest I've had my fun. So felt it right to just let you know.

[RingoMcCartney]

Sun May 31, 2020 3:53 pm

Oh well, Devil's Advocate has already provided the response to this, frankly laughable attempt at denial so I don't need to.

And it's probably as well not getting into a conversation about what times we were posting; you'd only end up trying to paste a load of links (that probably don't work anyway) to try to support your claim that 1.13pm is the end of the afternoon.


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I must admit that I found it amusing that Ringo could get himself into such a lather that he spent such a beautiful afternoon responding.

I posted

You made an assumption

You were wrong


Project fear lied

You fell for it

You were wrong

And after attempting to make out that I'd lost a sunny afternoon by posting on here first and half 1, then at half 5.

You only post at 4 o'clock on a beautiful sunny Sunday afternoon!!

You could not make it up

[RingoMcCartney]

The city of Sunderland receives a fabulous boost despite what it voters were told should they vote Leave.
And the sad little band of remoaners will go to ridiculous lengths to twist and turn rewrite history and attempt to even deny it ever happened.

Brexit- still eating away at the very souls of a dwindling rump of begrudging sore losers

[martin_p]

The city of Sunderland receives a fabulous boost despite what it voters were told should they vote Leave.
And the sad little band of remoaners will go to ridiculous lengths to twist and turn rewrite history and attempt to even deny it ever happened.

Brexit- still eating away at the very souls of a dwindling rump of begrudging sore losers

You do know that there’s still a chance there’ll be job losses at Nissan Sunderland I take it? Hardly a fabulous boost.

[TheFamilyCat]

I posted

You made an assumption

You were wrong


Project fear lied

You fell for it

You were wrong

And after attempting to make out that I'd lost a sunny afternoon by posting on here first and half 1, then at half 5.

You only post at 4 o'clock on a beautiful sunny Sunday afternoon!!

You could not make it up

Brillaint stuff Ringo, unfortunately it needs correcting slightly. The chain of events is a little different to how you remember it.

1. Ringo made up the threat of closure of the Nissan plant if we voted to leave the EU
2. Ringo is asked for evidence that anyone other than he had claimed this
3. Ringo can't provide any evidence
4. Ringo denies saying that the Nissan plant would close if we voted to leave the EU and tries to claim that it was in fact me that said it
5. Evidence of Ringo saying those very words are produced
6. Ringo tries to pretned that because he didn't say those words in the post I quoted, that it doesn't count
7. Ringo is presented with evidence again that he did say them:

So the lie that Nissan would shut Sunderland if we had the temerity to vote "leave" was just one of a long line of lies that , thankfully, the majority of voters saw through.

Nissan to shut Sunderland.

"A vote to Leave would lead to the Nissan plant in sunderland closing" - Remoaners and their project fear prior to the 2016 Peoples Vote

Which of this evidence that voting leave would be economically disastrous for the UK, came true?....
....Nissan would Leave 

[tiger76]

You do know that there’s still a chance there’ll be job losses at Nissan Sunderland I take it? Hardly a fabulous boost.

It's a boost that Nissan are basing their operations in Sunderland, however let's wait and see the details first before doing cartwheels.

As for the rest of the Brexit negotiations it's going to be a bumpy ride for the rest of the year i'm afraid https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit- ... r=US&IR=T

[tiger76]

Mystic McCartney- having the uncanny habit of calling it right , early doors, on all manner of things. Referendum, general elections, John Bercow (where is he now!) The labour party's electoral fortunes, car plants future, Since 2016

And boy! Boy oh boy! Does it get to some!? Does it!

This will please you Ringo.

Boris Johnson blocks Corbyn’s recommendation for John Bercow peerage

Downing Street said it would not approve Labour’s nomination because there are outstanding concerns about his “propriety”

Boris Johnson has blocked Jeremy Corbyn’s recommendation for John Bercow to receive a peerage over allegations of bullying by the former Speaker.

Downing Street said it would not approve Labour’s nomination of Mr Bercow for elevation to the upper chamber because there are outstanding concerns about his “propriety”.

Karie Murphy, Mr Corbyn’s former chief of staff, was also blocked for appointment to the Lords over an Equalities and Human Rights Commission investigation into alleged institutional anti-Semitism in the Labour Party.

The Jewish Labour Movement said her nomination was “deeply inappropriate”.

Ms Murphy denies all allegations of anti-Semitism.

All we need now is Dominic Cummings & Nigel Farage to be knighted and the left will really be up in arms

[dsr]

It's a boost that Nissan are basing their operations in Sunderland, however let's wait and see the details first before doing cartwheels.

As for the rest of the Brexit negotiations it's going to be a bumpy ride for the rest of the year i'm afraid https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit- ... r=US&IR=T

That's a staggeringly biased viewpoint - "The UK has offered few concessions"

The EU is asking for the right to set the UK's laws and the right to veto the UK's trade with the rest of the world, and the right of their judges to override ours, and the right to run our fisheries. Nothing in that is remotely concedable. What was Canada's answer when the EU demanded to set their laws and take their fish, I wonder? Oh, the EU didn't make that request.

Here's the concession that the UK is offering. Free and unfettered right to access our market. That's a massive concession, and all we ask in return is the right to sell very much smaller amounts to their market, free and unfettered. Sounds like a fair deal? Does to me.

[Quickenthetempo]

Great news in that Burnley council have appointed Alan Hosker as the leader.

A true brexiteer running it now.

[tiger76]

That's a staggeringly biased viewpoint - "The UK has offered few concessions"

The EU is asking for the right to set the UK's laws and the right to veto the UK's trade with the rest of the world, and the right of their judges to override ours, and the right to run our fisheries. Nothing in that is remotely concedable. What was Canada's answer when the EU demanded to set their laws and take their fish, I wonder? Oh, the EU didn't make that request.

Here's the concession that the UK is offering. Free and unfettered right to access our market. That's a massive concession, and all we ask in return is the right to sell very much smaller amounts to their market, free and unfettered. Sounds like a fair deal? Does to me.

We might still get a good deal, but we'll have to hold our nerve, the one thing i'll say in Johnson's favour is he's shown he's willing to walk away if the offer on the table isn't in Britain's interests, that's a high risk strategy, but if successful could reap rewards.

The ECJ was one of my major bugbears, and also one of the main reasons for me voting to leave, if we arent in control of our laws then what's the point in leaving.

Fishing was always going to be a contentious issue, and thus far all the coastal nations aren't showing any signs of backing down, i'm curious but in the event of a no deal won't they be denied access to British waters anyway.

You know as well as everybody else why the EU won't offer us a Canada style trade deal, their terrified of a competitor on their doorstep, that's what they're really fearful off.

[nil_desperandum]

Great news in that Burnley council have appointed Alan Hosker as the leader.

A true brexiteer running it now.

I don't know anything about him, and he might be good, (I believe he's an excellent representative for his ward), but I fail to see how his view on brexit is in anyway relevant.
Will he now be representing the UK at the negotiations? (Obviously not, but - honestly - I don't see how any decisions made at local level will be affected by which way he voted in a national referendum and over which he has no control).
Anyway, I wish him all the best. Coming out of this crisis under a Tory government - with inevitable pressure on budgets - is going to be very tough no matter who's running the show.

[evensteadiereddie]

Eddie, I've watched you repeat this Myth time and time again!

I never ever said I invented the phrases "ivory tower" and "metropolitan bubble".....

I simply said that long before it was being mentioned in the post election analysis of labours disastrous defeat. I had been using the phrase "dwellers of the metropolitan London borough of Ivory Towers"

There's a big big difference in someone saying they used a phrase early, and them saying they "invented" it

It was you on your typical haste to seize upon something I'd never actually said. Like a Jack Russell pup, with a teddy, shaking its head furiously and repeatedly! You've refused to let it go!


Since then I've literally laughed out loud every time you believed your own BS! I hesitated about reminding you and thought about letting you carry on. But, to be honest I've had my fun. So felt it right to just let you know.

Lame even by your miserable, lying standards. You claimed, in the myriad of er, prophecies these were previously unheard of references. They were, of course, merely examples of you, the Prince of Cut'n'Paste, in action and making your usual balls-up.

You've been done again, Smeg - I'm surprised you didn't see it coming !

[aggi]

Mystic McCartney- having the uncanny habit of calling it right , early doors, on all manner of things. Referendum, general elections, John Bercow (where is he now!) The labour party's electoral fortunes, car plants future, Since 2016

And boy! Boy oh boy! Does it get to some!? Does it!

How many seats did the Brexit party get in the GE compared to "Mystic McCartney's" forecast?

[martin_p]

Mystic McCartney says-


Next Tory Leader.

Penny Mordaunt.

Here’s mystic McCartney, on the money again.

[Devils_Advocate]

You know what they say - if you throw enough sh*t at the wall some will stick - well chez Ringo must be one smelly house

[RingoMcCartney]

Brillaint stuff Ringo, unfortunately it needs correcting slightly. The chain of events is a little different to how you remember it.

1. Ringo made up the threat of closure of the Nissan plant if we voted to leave the EU
2. Ringo is asked for evidence that anyone other than he had claimed this
3. Ringo can't provide any evidence
4. Ringo denies saying that the Nissan plant would close if we voted to leave the EU and tries to claim that it was in fact me that said it
5. Evidence of Ringo saying those very words are produced
6. Ringo tries to pretned that because he didn't say those words in the post I quoted, that it doesn't count
7. Ringo is presented with evidence again that he did say them:

I "made it up" that the Sunderland nissan plant was threatened with closure !

It was seen as iconic on the referendum result night. There'd been months of talk about ," not just the plant itself but the 1000s employed in supply chains," "it would be devastating for the area if an employer like Nissan pulls out" And that memorable result was just a foretaste of what lay ahead that night.


This is the Guardian confirming that the plant faced potential closure.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... nsequences


Nissan decision to stay in Sunderland averts ‘catastrophic’ consequences

The Japanese car company’s threat that it could quit the region over Brexit had, like the referendum itself, left an open wound in Sunderland.

Richard Boardman: "If Nissan leaves the North East it would be a disaster. It's not just the Nissan plant - it's all the smaller companies that build and provide. Be realistic, Sunderland needs Nissan!"

This was the BBC confirming there was a question mark over the plants future.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24859486


8 November 2013

Nissan boss warns UK over possible EU exit.

Nissan will reconsider its investment in the UK if Britain leaves the European Union, chief executive Carlos Ghosn has told the BBC.

This is what the people of Sunderland had come to understand despite your pathetic attempt to rewrite history!

Lloyd Ismington: "Without Nissan then there will be a big drop in cash in Sunderland, people not making mortgage payments, not supporting bars/shops. The knock-on effect would be disastrous."


Shirley Herbertson: "Sunderland was the highest Leave vote in the country. I’m afraid they have voted themselves out of jobs!"


Margo Lax: "We had ship building and mines ... all gone. Nissan became a big part of our economy. Sunderland will die if they pull out."

Alexandra Kellett: "If Nissan goes then the whole of the North East will be hit hard -


https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/19- ... ant-348299

You made an assumption.

You were wrong.

You've attempted to rewrite history.

The People of Sunderland would say you were wrong

You believed the lies spewed by Project fear.

At least you're consistent!!

[RingoMcCartney]

Lame even by your miserable, lying standards. You claimed, in the myriad of er, prophecies these were previously unheard of references. They were, of course, merely examples of you, the Prince of Cut'n'Paste, in action and making your usual balls-up.

You've been done again, Smeg - I'm surprised you didn't see it coming !

A quick glance back through any Brexit related thread will prove I'd been using the phrase "dwellers of the metropolitan London borough of Ivory Towers" for a good good while. And lo and behold the likes of Peston were all saying that Labour had been seen to be "too metropolitan" following their electoral drubbing.

In your Walter Mittyesque world I invented "metropolitan" and "ivory Towers". And the puppy-like head shaking , left/right left/right and ragging that little teddy of a dream as kept you entertained for hours ! Me too Eddie! Me too!

[RingoMcCartney]

How many seats did the Brexit party get in the GE compared to "Mystic McCartney's" forecast?

As a paid up member of the Brexit party , late in the day , even I switched my vote to the tories. Practicalities and ensuring brexit got done were far more important than flaunting my ability to be ahead of the curve.

It worked!

Read and weap-


The United Kingdom left the European Union at 11 p.m. GMT on 31 January 2020. ..


Happy days!

[RingoMcCartney]

Question- how do organise a flash mob of resentment fuelled egg on faced Remoaners, who'll go to a whole assortment of lengths to disguise the fact that, after nigh on 4 years, they simply cant get over the fact they lost?

Answer - Remind them.

Laters losers!

[RingoMcCartney]

`When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea'

Eric Cantona.

[Swizzlestick]

Nurse, the screens!

[martin_p]

I "made it up" that the Sunderland nissan plant was threatened with closure !

It was seen as iconic on the referendum result night. There'd been months of talk about ," not just the plant itself but the 1000s employed in supply chains," "it would be devastating for the area if an employer like Nissan pulls out" And that memorable result was just a foretaste of what lay ahead that night.


This is the Guardian confirming that the plant faced potential closure.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... nsequences


Nissan decision to stay in Sunderland averts ‘catastrophic’ consequences

The Japanese car company’s threat that it could quit the region over Brexit had, like the referendum itself, left an open wound in Sunderland.

Richard Boardman: "If Nissan leaves the North East it would be a disaster. It's not just the Nissan plant - it's all the smaller companies that build and provide. Be realistic, Sunderland needs Nissan!"

This was the BBC confirming there was a question mark over the plants future.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24859486


8 November 2013

Nissan boss warns UK over possible EU exit.

Nissan will reconsider its investment in the UK if Britain leaves the European Union, chief executive Carlos Ghosn has told the BBC.

This is what the people of Sunderland had come to understand despite your pathetic attempt to rewrite history!

Lloyd Ismington: "Without Nissan then there will be a big drop in cash in Sunderland, people not making mortgage payments, not supporting bars/shops. The knock-on effect would be disastrous."


Shirley Herbertson: "Sunderland was the highest Leave vote in the country. I’m afraid they have voted themselves out of jobs!"


Margo Lax: "We had ship building and mines ... all gone. Nissan became a big part of our economy. Sunderland will die if they pull out."

Alexandra Kellett: "If Nissan goes then the whole of the North East will be hit hard -


https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/19- ... ant-348299

You made an assumption.

You were wrong.

You've attempted to rewrite history.

The People of Sunderland would say you were wrong

You believed the lies spewed by Project fear.

At least you're consistent!!

So when you say ‘project fear lied’ what you meant to say was that the media and others quoted the head of Nissan U.K. about threats to investment.

[TheFamilyCat]

As a paid up member of the Brexit party , late in the day , even I switched my vote to the tories. Practicalities and ensuring brexit got done were far more important than flaunting my ability to be ahead of the curve.

It worked!

Read and weap-


The United Kingdom left the European Union at 11 p.m. GMT on 31 January 2020. ..


Happy days!

For six months you've been crowing about how "your side" won. It turns out that in actual fact you abandoned your side and your beliefs and went glory-hunting.

Everyone is, if course, free to vote however they like for whatever reason they like but a desperate desire just to be seen to be on the winning side is rather an odd reason.

[evensteadiereddie]

That desire is one of the more common symptoms of his condition.

As Mystic Smeg would say, "If Carlsberg did (pi$$ed -up) meltdowns..."

Five posts in a row, late at night - what else is there to know about this useless, lying creep ?









Woof, woof !




























































Wot, still no Elizabeth ?

[martin_p]

So when you say ‘project fear lied’ what you meant to say was that the media and others quoted the head of Nissan U.K. about threats to investment.

A warning that Nissan has repeated today, saying the plant in Sunderland will be ‘unsustainable’ if there is no trade deal with the EU.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politic ... ufacturing

[Zlatan]

The outrageous defence of Brexit comes from the fear of being shown to have the wool pulled over their eyes