Brexit: Uniting the Country Since 31/01/2020

[aggi]

Snipped for brevity and because various parts of it are lies

The board back and a bit of Ringo to lighten up the day.

First of all I see that you've not provided any backup for the various lies in your previous posts. I don't think anyone will be surprised by that.

I've no idea why you keep banging on about who will own British Steel, there was no reference to that originally. I'm assuming it's your traditional goalpost shifting when you are wrong (again) and want to pretend you were talking about something entirely different.

It's also not going to fit your "EU bad" narrative but it's not just EU rules stopping a company being nationalised and subsidised because they're unprofitable, it's also against WTO rules. The remedy there is tariffs but that would likely lead to a spiral of ever-increasing subsidies.

[JohnMcGreal]

If anyone has a few hours spare, this transcript of a speech which Ivan Rogers gave in Glasgow recently is very informative.

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/poli ... ch-glasgow

[RingoMcCartney]

The board back and a bit of Ringo to lighten up the day.

First of all I see that you've not provided any backup for the various lies in your previous posts. I don't think anyone will be surprised by that.

I've no idea why you keep banging on about who will own British Steel, there was no reference to that originally. I'm assuming it's your traditional goalpost shifting when you are wrong (again) and want to pretend you were talking about something entirely different.

It's also not going to fit your "EU bad" narrative but it's not just EU rules stopping a company being nationalised and subsidised because they're unprofitable, it's also against WTO rules. The remedy there is tariffs but that would likely lead to a spiral of ever-increasing subsidies.

There was "no reference to ownership!!!!!!"

This was what actually rattled your evangelical Brussels worshiping zealot cage, way back in spring, aggi!! -

""2008- Labour bail out the banks and saves London based bankers jobs. Costing the nation billions.

The EU says , " that's fine."

2019- The tories want to save thousands of steel workers jobs in the industrial north. Costing the nation millions.

The EU says, "No can do , UK"

Labour bailed out the banks.

They did it cos EU rules allowed it.

The tories could not bail out the steel plant in scunny as labour had done the banks.

They couldn't cos EU rules stopped it.

It took a chinese company to save the jobs of the steel works workers.

Just the thought of you brooding ever since , you steamed in , all the way back in May and claiming it was "outright lies" . Being proved utterly wrong by my quotes of the government's own legal team and industry specialists. Then coming back months 6 months later wanting to finally " put it to bed " , and falling flat on your face by simply flying in the face of reality, and looking like a hapless , metropolitan bubble dwelling, clown. Gives me a disproportionate sense of well being aggi. I really have got under your skin!


For 6 months !!!

[If it be your will]

The board back and a bit of Ringo to lighten up the day.

First of all I see that you've not provided any backup for the various lies in your previous posts. I don't think anyone will be surprised by that.

I've no idea why you keep banging on about who will own British Steel, there was no reference to that originally. I'm assuming it's your traditional goalpost shifting when you are wrong (again) and want to pretend you were talking about something entirely different.

It's also not going to fit your "EU bad" narrative but it's not just EU rules stopping a company being nationalised and subsidised because they're unprofitable, it's also against WTO rules. The remedy there is tariffs but that would likely lead to a spiral of ever-increasing subsidies.

If nationalising and subsidising British Steel is against WTO rules, what are the possible sanctions?

[RingoMcCartney]

If we could turn Ringo's rage into electricity, we could get rid of our coal fired power stations.

"Rage" !?

You're clearly mistaking , my , admittedly, guilty pleasure of toying with a frustrated disciple of the church later day europhile. Seemingly want to indulge in some bizarre form of self-flagellation in a public space, for anger!!



And he's been stewing in it for over 6 months!

Deep joy!!

[AndrewJB]

"Rage" !?

You're clearly mistaking , my , admittedly, guilty pleasure of toying with a frustrated disciple of the church later day europhile. Seemingly want to indulge in some bizarre form of self-flagellation in a public space, for anger!!



And he's been stewing in it for over 6 months!

Deep joy!!

You have lots of rage. Sorry for you.

[aggi]

There was "no reference to ownership!!!!!!"

This was what actually rattled your evangelical Brussels worshiping zealot cage, way back in spring, aggi!! -

""2008- Labour bail out the banks and saves London based bankers jobs. Costing the nation billions.

The EU says , " that's fine."

2019- The tories want to save thousands of steel workers jobs in the industrial north. Costing the nation millions.

The EU says, "No can do , UK"

Labour bailed out the banks.

They did it cos EU rules allowed it.

The tories could not bail out the steel plant in scunny as labour had done the banks.

They couldn't cos EU rules stopped it.

It took a chinese company to save the jobs of the steel works workers.

Just the thought of you brooding ever since , you steamed in , all the way back in May and claiming it was "outright lies" . Being proved utterly wrong by my quotes of the government's own legal team and industry specialists. Then coming back months 6 months later wanting to finally " put it to bed " , and falling flat on your face by simply flying in the face of reality, and looking like a hapless , metropolitan bubble dwelling, clown. Gives me a disproportionate sense of well being aggi. I really have got under your skin!


For 6 months !!!

Again, I see you haven't backed up your lies such as reference to the poverty index. Maybe next time you lie about something don't use a term that's so easily searchable. I only really carry on with this for the entertainment value to see what thing you'll lie about next. You must have noticed that most people don't even bother engaging with you now as you don't bother with logical arguments, you just lie and make things up.

You never answered this question:
If you lost your job and a friend paid your mortgage and loaned you money for food and living expenses would you say they'd bailed you out or would you just complain that they hadn't bought the house for you to live in rent-free whilst cooking all your meals?

[aggi]

If nationalising and subsidising British Steel is against WTO rules, what are the possible sanctions?

As I said the main remedy there is tariffs. Other countries will impose tariffs to cancel out the state aid. The trouble with that being applied to a loss making company is you have to grant ever bigger subsidies to cancel out the tariffs and you end up in a vicious circle of tariffs and subsidies.

[If it be your will]

As I said the main remedy there is tariffs. Other countries will impose tariffs to cancel out the state aid. The trouble with that being applied to a loss making company is you have to grant ever bigger subsidies to cancel out the tariffs and you end up in a vicious circle of tariffs and subsidies.

So under WTO you can produce as much subsidised steel as you like for domestic consumption, without any WTO problems? I think it highly unlikely a subsidised British Steel would create so much steel that it exceeded UK demand, so that shouldn't be an issue. The UK currently imports twice as much as it exports, after all. Maybe we could dedicate it to supplying the needs of the UK?

And even if it did export steel, you would have to export subsidised steel to such an extent that it distorted international markets? And even then, the worst that could happen would an imposition of tariffs by a foreign country on your exports? No fines or anything like that?

(I was messing with you! I just wanted it highlighting that whilst WTO rules do indeed have a state-aid component, they're absolutely nothing like the rules of the EU. The "The WTO has state-aid rules, too, you know!" argument, without explaining the dramatic differences, is one of my pet hates. It's a bit like that 350 million bus thing - strictly true, but horribly misleading.)

[martin_p]

So under WTO you can produce as much subsidised steel as you like for domestic consumption, without any WTO problems? I think it highly unlikely a subsidised British Steel would create so much steel that it exceeded UK demand, so that shouldn't be an issue. The UK currently imports twice as much as it exports, after all. Maybe we could dedicate it to supplying the needs of the UK?

And even if it did export steel, you would have to export subsidised steel to such an extent that it distorted international markets? And even then, the worst that could happen would an imposition of tariffs by a foreign country on your exports? No fines or anything like that?

(I was messing with you! I just wanted it highlighting that whilst WTO rules do indeed have a state-aid component, they're absolutely nothing like the rules of the EU. The "The WTO has state-aid rules, too, you know!" argument, without explaining the dramatic differences, is one of my pet hates. It's a bit like that 350 million bus thing - strictly true, but horribly misleading.)

Except ‘We send the EU £350m a week’ isn’t ‘strictly true’.

[aggi]

So under WTO you can produce as much subsidised steel as you like for domestic consumption, without any WTO problems? I think it highly unlikely a subsidised British Steel would create so much steel that it exceeded UK demand, so that shouldn't be an issue. The UK currently imports twice as much as it exports, after all. Maybe we could dedicate it to supplying the needs of the UK?

And even if it did export steel, you would have to export subsidised steel to such an extent that it distorted international markets? And even then, the worst that could happen would an imposition of tariffs by a foreign country on your exports? No fines or anything like that?

(I was messing with you! I just wanted it highlighting that whilst WTO rules do indeed have a state-aid component, they're absolutely nothing like the rules of the EU. The "The WTO has state-aid rules, too, you know!" argument, without explaining the dramatic differences, is one of my pet hates. It's a bit like that 350 million bus thing - strictly true, but horribly misleading.)

Well that's why I put in the first post that the remedy was tariffs. As I said the issue with tariffs is they can lead to a vicious circle.

Although British steel are small in steel as a whole they are a global player in areas such as railway tracks. I could picture the French complaining for example (depending on what happens with the Hayange plant).

Although we both know that at the moment it doesn't really matter. Our state aid spending is a fraction of other European countries and, unless Corbyn's labour get in, that will stay the same.

[If it be your will]

There's not much point taking all this too seriously. Boris is going to win. We are going to end up leaving with a hard brexit (and quite possibly a 'no-deal' in 14 months).

The hard reality is all us degree-educated lefty types lost. Corbyn is finished. Remain is finished. Ringo won. Little point arguing, we might as well just have a friendly laugh about it all now.

[RingoMcCartney]

Again, I see you haven't backed up your lies such as reference to the poverty index. Maybe next time you lie about something don't use a term that's so easily searchable. I only really carry on with this for the entertainment value to see what thing you'll lie about next. You must have noticed that most people don't even bother engaging with you now as you don't bother with logical arguments, you just lie and make things up.

You never answered this question:
If you lost your job and a friend paid your mortgage and loaned you money for food and living expenses would you say they'd bailed you out or would you just complain that they hadn't bought the house for you to live in rent-free whilst cooking all your meals?

And you claim I'm shifting the goalposts!!!



Just how desperate are you sounding aggi!!!


Sad little analogies to try a distract from the plain and simple truth. A plain and simple truth that was bang on the money in May, As it still is many moons later when you came running back to this messageboard, after clearly licking your wounds ever since then and making the failed attempt at defending the "Final Remedy " EU that you're clearly devoted to!

""2008- Labour bail out the banks and saves London based bankers jobs. Costing the nation billions.

The EU says , " that's fine."

2019- The tories want to save thousands of steel workers jobs in the industrial north. Costing the nation millions.

The EU says, "No can do , UK"

Labour bailed out the banks.

They did it cos EU rules allowed it.

The tories could not bail out the steel plant in scunny as labour had done the banks.

They couldn't cos EU rules stopped it.

It took a chinese company to save the jobs of the steel works workers.


Huff and puff all you like my metropolitan bubble dwelling chum. But facts is facts!!



Watched ITV news at 10 tonight. They did a tour of labours , so called, "red wall" . And not for the 1st time the presenter said that increasingly , labour are seen in its heartlands as not having anything in common with with voters. Not sharing the same values. Being completely out of touch when it comes to EU membership and how many of their former core vote see it as having been a disaster for their town and region. And for the first time ever, the working class in these regions see themselves as having more in common with the Tories. Labour are having more success in the metropolitan areas of the south east!!

Sound familiar aggi!!!?

As someone who holds unswerving evangelical,
zealot like, nationalistic devotion to the EU. Plus , somebody for whom last Saturday's game with Spurs , was a home game!!!!!


It should!

[Bordeauxclaret]

Raging Ringo.

[TheFamilyCat]

And you claim I'm shifting the goalposts!!!



Just how desperate are you sounding aggi!!!


Sad little analogies to try a distract from the plain and simple truth. A plain and simple truth that was bang on the money in May, As it still is many moons later when you came running back to this messageboard, after clearly licking your wounds ever since then and making the failed attempt at defending the "Final Remedy " EU that you're clearly devoted to!

""2008- Labour bail out the banks and saves London based bankers jobs. Costing the nation billions.

The EU says , " that's fine."

2019- The tories want to save thousands of steel workers jobs in the industrial north. Costing the nation millions.

The EU says, "No can do , UK"

Labour bailed out the banks.

They did it cos EU rules allowed it.

The tories could not bail out the steel plant in scunny as labour had done the banks.

They couldn't cos EU rules stopped it.

It took a chinese company to save the jobs of the steel works workers.


Huff and puff all you like my metropolitan bubble dwelling chum. But facts is facts!!



Watched ITV news at 10 tonight. They did a tour of labours , so called, "red wall" . And not for the 1st time the presenter said that increasingly , labour are seen in its heartlands as not having anything in common with with voters. Not sharing the same values. Being completely out of touch when it comes to EU membership and how many of their former core vote see it as having been a disaster for their town and region. And for the first time ever, the working class in these regions see themselves as having more in common with the Tories. Labour are having more success in the metropolitan areas of the south east!!

Sound familiar aggi!!!?

As someone who holds unswerving evangelical,
zealot like, nationalistic devotion to the EU. Plus , somebody for whom last Saturday's game with Spurs , was a home game!!!!!


It should!

Did these northerners explain why they think EU membership has been a disaster for their area? At a guess they think anything bad that has happened over the last 40 years is the EU's fault.

Sound familiar?

[tiger76]

Even Farage realises brexit won't be done quickly.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/election- ... for-years

[RingoMcCartney]

Did these northerners explain why they think EU membership has been a disaster for their area? At a guess they think anything bad that has happened over the last 40 years is the EU's fault.

Sound familiar?

It most certainly does!

And here's the kicker for you.

There's not a damn thing that democracy denying remoaners like your good self can say, or do, to change their , already made up , minds!!

[TheFamilyCat]

It most certainly does!

And here's the kicker for you.

There's not a damn thing that democracy denying remoaners like your good self can say, or do, to change their , already made up , minds!!

I see you've ignored answering another question there.

[RingoMcCartney]

I see you've ignored answering another question there.

Oh I'll answer your question.

No, these northerners didn't explain why they think EU membership has been a disaster for their area.

Why?

Because they didn't, and dont, need to explain to me, you, or anyone as to how and why they've come to this conclusion.

I see that you failed to admit that there's not a damn thing that democracy denying remoaners like your good self can say, or do, to change their , already made up , minds.

Want to take the opportunity to do so now!?

[martin_p]

Oh I'll answer your question.

No, these northerners didn't explain why they think EU membership has been a disaster for their area.

Why?

Because they didn't, and dont, need to explain to me, you, or anyone as to how and why they've come to this conclusion.

I see that you failed to admit that there's not a damn thing that democracy denying remoaners like your good self can say, or do, to change their , already made up , minds.

Want to take the opportunity to do so now!?

Are you saying not a single northern leave voter has changed his or her mind? Care to provide some proof. I suspect the vast majority haven’t changed their mind but it’s likely some have.

[TheFamilyCat]

Oh I'll answer your question.

No, these northerners didn't explain why they think EU membership has been a disaster for their area.

Why?

Because they didn't, and dont, need to explain to me, you, or anyone as to how and why they've come to this conclusion.

I see that you failed to admit that there's not a damn thing that democracy denying remoaners like your good self can say, or do, to change their , already made up , minds.

Want to take the opportunity to do so now!?

I see you're happily throwing the (incorrect) labels around now.

[RingoMcCartney]

Are you saying not a single northern leave voter has changed his or her mind? Care to provide some proof. I suspect the vast majority haven’t changed their mind but it’s likely some have.

Probably have, so what.

I believe that the largest single expression of democracy this nation has ever witnessed, like all expressions of democracy. Should actually be implemented.

Im old fashioned like that.

As a member of the North Korean Clarets what do you reckon!?

[RingoMcCartney]

I see you're happily throwing the (incorrect) labels around now.

Lay down with dogs, you get fleas.

Still not wanting to admit that there's not a damn thing that democracy denying remoaners like your good self can say, or do, to change their , already made up , minds.


Grrrrrrr.

[TheFamilyCat]

Lay down with dogs, you get fleas.

Still not wanting to admit that there's not a damn thing that democracy denying remoaners like your good self can say, or do, to change their , already made up , minds.


Grrrrrrr.

Of course there's nothing I can do to change their minds, brainwashing is difficult to reverse.

[evensteadiereddie]

[RingoMcCartney]

Of course there's nothing I can do to change their minds, brainwashing is difficult to reverse.

I'm sure those that have clearly worked on you would confirm that.

[martin_p]

I'm sure those that have clearly worked on you would confirm that.

Wrongo’s responses today seem to be restricted to ‘no, you are!’

[RingoMcCartney]

Wrongo’s responses today seem to be restricted to ‘no, you are!’

Yes , you are correct.

[aggi]

And you claim I'm shifting the goalposts!!!
...

""2008- Labour bail out the banks and saves London based bankers jobs. Costing the nation billions.

The EU says , " that's fine."

2019- The tories want to save thousands of steel workers jobs in the industrial north. Costing the nation millions.

The EU says, "No can do , UK"
...

Yep. The tories saved thousands of steel workers jobs in the industrial north by subsidising British Steel until a buyer was found. The EU did not say no. This is reality, it's actually happening. If you disagree with this then what are you disagreeing with:
1. The jobs have been lost?
2. The Tories didn't subsidise British Steel?
3. The EU did say no?

It's got to be one of those three. All your wittering about nationalisation, Professor Ruth Bender, etc is irrelevant. There is actual reality to look at and see what happened.

I've also no idea what you're going on about re: News at 10. I mean I guess that you could be referencing one of your previous lies that I'm a Labour voter. Speaking of your lies, I see you've not provided any evidence to back up the multiple lies in your past posts. I think we all know why that is.

You also forgot to answer this (many times) 3. Why did RBS, Lloyds, HBOS and various other have to divest themselves of various business groups, spin off into separate companies and set up a fund for their smaller competitors in the 2010s?

[aggi]

There's not much point taking all this too seriously. Boris is going to win. We are going to end up leaving with a hard brexit (and quite possibly a 'no-deal' in 14 months).

The hard reality is all us degree-educated lefty types lost. Corbyn is finished. Remain is finished. Ringo won. Little point arguing, we might as well just have a friendly laugh about it all now.

Indeed. I'm mainly on here for the entertainment value and pointing out blatant lies. It will be what it will be. Obviously the sad thing is that a Boris Brexit is more likely to impact negatively on those like Ringo than it is a lot of the degree-educated lefty types but at least he'll feel victorious.

Unless Corbyn manages to get a decent result in this election I can see the Labour party edging back to the centre and your hopes for a more socialist Britain being sacrificed by the party in order to try and get in.

[martin_p]

Indeed. I'm mainly on here for the entertainment value and pointing out blatant lies. It will be what it will be. Obviously the sad thing is that a Boris Brexit is more likely to impact negatively on those like Ringo than it is a lot of the degree-educated lefty types but at least he'll feel victorious.

Unless Corbyn manages to get a decent result in this election I can see the Labour party edging back to the centre and your hopes for a more socialist Britain being sacrificed by the party in order to try and get in.

As long as we’re still here to take the blame when it all goes wrong.

A Johnson victory does seem likely with all that will bring. Maybe we should have a sweep on when the first election promise will be broken by a Johnson government (ignoring the promises he broke having been elected Tory leader of course).

[aggi]

As long as we’re still here to take the blame when it all goes wrong.

A Johnson victory does seem likely with all that will bring. Maybe we should have a sweep on when the first election promise will be broken by a Johnson government (ignoring the promises he broke having been elected Tory leader of course).

Personally I wouldn't rule out a Tory/LD government with the second referendum being a condition of it. That would be a laugh.

[nil_desperandum]

Personally I wouldn't rule out a Tory/LD government with the second referendum being a condition of it. That would be a laugh.

Who would be PM? In those circumstances I don't see how it could be Johnson.
It won't happen, but if you're not ruling it out then you must have speculated about who would lead this "odd-couple" coalition.

[aggi]

Who would be PM? In those circumstances I don't see how it could be Johnson.
It won't happen, but if you're not ruling it out then you must have speculated about who would lead this "odd-couple" coalition.

Johnson, he's shameless enough to do it. He'd just say this is the only way to get Brexit done. It's not as if he doesn't have previous for absolutely, definitely promising that Brexit will happen and then Brexit not happening.

[nil_desperandum]

Johnson, he's shameless enough to do it. He'd just say this is the only way to get Brexit done. It's not as if he doesn't have previous for absolutely, definitely promising that Brexit will happen and then Brexit not happening.

Yes - HE is, (shameles enough), but I can't imagine any circumstance under which Swinson would agree to any deal with the Tories under Johnson's leadership.
If Johnson was to fail to get a majority, (extremely unlikely IMO) then Swinson would hold the cards, (assuming that Con + Lib added up to a majority).
Just for clarity however, to save one or two "obvious" people claiming that I am saying "Swinson" holds the cards, I'm not - because I don't believe that Johnson will need a pact with anyone.

[RingoMcCartney]

Yep. The tories saved thousands of steel workers jobs in the industrial north by subsidising British Steel until a buyer was found. The EU did not say no. This is reality, it's actually happening. If you disagree with this then what are you disagreeing with:
1. The jobs have been lost?
2. The Tories didn't subsidise British Steel?
3. The EU did say no?

It's got to be one of those three. All your wittering about nationalisation, Professor Ruth Bender, etc is irrelevant. There is actual reality to look at and see what happened.

I've also no idea what you're going on about re: News at 10. I mean I guess that you could be referencing one of your previous lies that I'm a Labour voter. Speaking of your lies, I see you've not provided any evidence to back up the multiple lies in your past posts. I think we all know why that is.

You also forgot to answer this (many times) 3. Why did RBS, Lloyds, HBOS and various other have to divest themselves of various business groups, spin off into separate companies and set up a fund for their smaller competitors in the 2010s?

Ah aggi, the gift that just keeps on giving!!



"2008- Labour bail out the banks and saves London based bankers jobs. Costing the nation billions.

The EU says , " that's fine."

2019- The tories want to save thousands of steel workers jobs in the industrial north. Costing the nation millions.

The EU says, "No can do , UK"

Labour bailed out the banks.

They did it cos EU rules allowed it.

The tories could not bail out the steel plant in scunny as labour had done the banks.

They couldn't cos EU rules stopped it.

It took a chinese company to save the jobs of the steel works workers.

The steel workers will be thanking, not the Tories, for saving their jobs. But the chinese company Jingye. Why? Because its Jingye that has balied them out.

Labour owned the banks. They saved london bankers jobs

The tories never owned the steel works.

Jingye own the steel works. They saved 1000s of northern manufacturing jobs.

EU rules made it that way!

And to think you "wanted to put this to bed!"

Your arguement died a death in May and for some bizarre reason, you resuscitated it months later! Maybe hoping to settle for a draw. However, given that the legal advice given to the tory government is still the same eu state aid rules now. And given were the industry expert Ruth Bender, to be asked again if they could bail out the steel industry as labour had the banks, would be exactly the same answer. "Unfortunately no". Its ended up in an own goal by you!

And to think about all the stewing and mulling over you've done since May. Waiting for what you saw as an opportunity to even up the score!

Two nil , in your cup final!

[martin_p]

Pubs have closed then.

[aggi]

Snip

Ringo's debate technique of sticking his fingers in his ears and going "la-la-la" is still going strong. I'm a bit disappointed you didn't make up any new lies in this response though, you're slipping.

[TVC15]

Wrongo arguing Labour bailed out the Banks to save a few jobs in London pretty much sums up the last few months debating - absolutely thick as mince.

[TheFamilyCat]

Wrongo - absolutely thick as mince.

Not sure what happened there but you seemed to put a few extra unnecessary words in. All fixed now though.

[RingoMcCartney]

Wrongo arguing Labour bailed out the Banks to save a few jobs in London pretty much sums up the last few months debating - absolutely thick as mince.

They didn't?

[RingoMcCartney]

Ringo's debate technique of sticking his fingers in his ears and going "la-la-la" is still going strong. I'm a bit disappointed you didn't make up any new lies in this response though, you're slipping.

Where as your approach is to be wrong in May.

Stew over it for months on end.

Then steam back months later, when nothing has changed whatsoever and get spanked left right and centre all over again!



Question?

Did EU rules prevent the Tory government treating the steel works on scunny , in the same way as the labour government dealt with the banks?


Yes or no?

One word aggi.....


Yes or no?

( a guilty pleasure but, this is really good fun!!)

[RingoMcCartney]

Not sure what happened there but you seemed to put a few extra unnecessary words in. All fixed now though.

Having already using the GE election poll thread to have a pop at me. Now you're scanning other threads and using other posters posts to have a dig!

I'd be forgiven for feeling you've got a slightly unhealthy mild obsession.

Vaguely concerning, but says more about you than me.

[Devils_Advocate]

I'd be forgiven for feeling you've got a slightly unhealthy mild obsession.

This from the bloke who followed Lancaster Claret round the messageboard for weeks begging for attention like a schoolgirl with a huge crush.

Was that a guilty pleasure too?

[RingoMcCartney]

This from the bloke who followed Lancaster Claret round the messageboard for weeks begging for attention like a schoolgirl with a huge crush.

Was that a guilty pleasure too?

For Lancasterclaret? Probably, yes!

[TheFamilyCat]

Having already using the GE election poll thread to have a pop at me. Now you're scanning other threads and using other posters posts to have a dig!

I'd be forgiven for feeling you've got a slightly unhealthy mild obsession.

Vaguely concerning, but says more about you than me.

I didn't have a pop at you, I was just repeating your "fighting for those at the bottom" line. That attitude is something you should be commended for, it's such a shame that nothing else you say or do really backs it up.

[RingoMcCartney]

I didn't have a pop at you, I was just repeating your "fighting for those at the bottom" line. That attitude is something you should be commended for, it's such a shame that nothing else you say or do really backs it up.

Me thinks the lady doth protest too much!

You cant help yourself.

It's an uncontrolable reflex isn't it!

[tiger76]

Personally I wouldn't rule out a Tory/LD government with the second referendum being a condition of it. That would be a laugh.

If that scenario came to pass i believe the Lib Dems current position is they'd support(supply and confidence or issue by issue) a short-term Conservative led government,while a 2nd ref was arranged,in which case the masses would likely be voting in May's local elections,2nd EU ref June maybe,and then yet another GE before 2020 is finished,Brenda in Bristol will be ecstatic at the prospect.

[Bosscat]

https://youtu.be/mVy7faNKEtM

[aggi]

Where as your approach is to be wrong in May.

Stew over it for months on end.

Then steam back months later, when nothing has changed whatsoever and get spanked left right and centre all over again!



Question?

Did EU rules prevent the Tory government treating the steel works on scunny , in the same way as the labour government dealt with the banks?


Yes or no?

One word aggi.....


Yes or no?

( a guilty pleasure but, this is really good fun!!)

when nothing has changed whatsoever Ah, I see the issue now, you're not denying reality, you're just not aware of reality. Looks like you missed this https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50369413 , and, most pertinently, this It has been kept running by the government via the Official Receiver since May ... It is understood that the government will help in the form of loan guarantees and other financial support.

So, you expect me to answer an entirely different question from your original point (good old Ringo, moving the goalposts again) whilst refusing to answer any of the questions I've asked of you. I can see why you're voting for Johnson, you both have the same cowardly approach to answering difficult questions and obviously you're both habitual liars.