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You still haven't said what you'll do if there is a GE after we leave.Lowbankclaret wrote:Now you cannot stay in the single market or a customs union and have controlled immigration.
You must also accept all EU laws.
So your staying in.
It doesn’t say stay in, it says retain the benefits of.Lowbankclaret wrote:Now you cannot stay in the single market or a customs union and have controlled immigration.
You must also accept all EU laws.
So your staying in.
Well having run several election campaigns, which I am guessing you haven’t, I beg to differ.martin_p wrote:Unfortunately the Tories are in the process of nicking Nigel’s shtick which means he won’t pick up as many votes as you’re expecting.
Really you don’t retain the benefits. You pay massive amounts of money to stay in the club.martin_p wrote:It doesn’t say stay in, it says retain the benefits of.
evensteadiereddie wrote:I'll explain yet again, a little more clearly. I ran one account as a legit BFC fan enjoying the er, banter with some of their lads. Occasionally it went too far and one lad, Mallorca Trotter, bless him, had my BFC fan account shut. No problem - new user name, tone it all down a bit and off we went. The other account, never questioned, was a ****-take from start to finish, posting stuff just to see how gullible some of those fools were.
It was, to be fair, pretty interesting to see how you could manipulate others' thinking. Nothing "split personality" about that, chap, far from it - two uses of different persona. That's why I did it.
Hope you understood that.
Again, classic floundering from you - you've been caught by the knackers fair and square over your fake account so, suddenly, you start squealing its my account. Your second account is not a parody account - don't you understand what the term means ? It is your rather childish and embarrassing attempt to garner support. That's why you do it.
How ******* pathetic and needy are you ? Don't get upset over being caught out, you just aren't clever enough to disguise the language "Elizabeth" uses. You do reasonably well to a point and then the odd jibe, the odd piece of repetition or the tone gives you away. Learn from it. I'll be looking for some improvement.
As I said earlier, its not a difficult science to spot the writing habits we all have, they'll show eventually.
And finally, FWIW, I think one Bolton lad did have some suspicions about my allegiance but only admitted that when Bolton went down, my work there was done and I finally owned up.
as you put it!!!!! Farage will campaign to rejoin so he can get his job back.Spijed wrote:But what happens if Boris repackages May's deal and we DO leave on/before Oct 31?
What happens to the Brexit party then?
As if our political landscape wasn’t ****** up enough without folk voting for candidates based on the football team they support.Lowbankclaret wrote:Well having run several election campaigns, which I am guessing you haven’t, I beg to differ.
However when I start knocking on I might have to change my view, but currently based on people I speak to Burnley is currently looking heavily Brexit.
That could be in my personal bubble of people I know.
Being a lifelong Burnley fan might help him a little. Goes home and away.
You have half a point here. Having just read through the Brexit section of the manifesto again, it essentially commits to absolutely nothing does it?? If it was a legal document Labour could've done almost anything and they wouldn't - in the absolute strictest sense - have broken a manifesto commitment. That's because the manifesto made no commitment! They could've ripped up A50, they could have crashed out with no deal, they could've had a 2nd (or even 3rd) referendum, they could've just danced naked flicking V's to France from the white cliffs of Dover. There is absolutely nothing they could've done that would break their manifesto commitments, even had they maliciously set out to do so. In the strictest sense, the only commitment was to give current resident EU nationals right to stay, but that's basically it. The rest is all 'Seek to...' 'Aim for...' 'Respect the...' 'Work with...' 'Recognises that...'martin_p wrote:Well, as I said, it’d be helpful if you can point out specifics re Brexit, given we’re not on a doorstep and I’m not angry with you.
If it be your will wrote:You have half a point here. Having just read through the Brexit section of the manifesto again, it essentially commits to absolutely nothing does it?? If it was a legal document Labour could've done almost anything and they wouldn't - in the absolute strictest sense - have broken a manifesto commitment. That's because the manifesto made no commitment! They could've ripped up A50, they could have crashed out with no deal, they could've had a 2nd (or even 3rd) referendum, they could've just danced naked flicking V's to France from the white cliffs of Dover. There is absolutely nothing they could've done that would break their manifesto commitments, even had they maliciously set out to do so. In the strictest sense, the only commitment was to give current resident EU nationals right to stay, but that's basically it. The rest is all 'Seek to...' 'Aim for...' 'Respect the...' 'Work with...' 'Recognises that...'
Just shows what utter balls manifestos really are, doesn't it?
This lot lied through their teeth, though (and so, it seems, did I):
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Lowbankclaret wrote:you cannot stay in the single market or a customs union and have controlled immigration.
Lowbankclaret wrote: Join us, we will NOT be lying to anyone.
To he fair the two posts you've quoted are absolutely correct and are at the heart of the problem.quoonbeatz wrote:
The Lib Dems have been consistent from day one which is better than lots of the shite we've had from the Tories and Labour.Mala591 wrote:The only thing for sure is - if you want
to remain
an open door/free for all immigration policy
to legalise cannabis
then vote Lib Dem
Well to be fair, leave voters could have two choices.TheFamilyCat wrote:As if our political landscape wasn’t ****** up enough without folk voting for candidates based on the football team they support.
So tell me, how many countries in the diagram have been allowed controlled immigration??quoonbeatz wrote:
taio wrote:To he fair the two posts you've quoted are absolutely correct and are at the heart of the problem.
I'm agreeing with youLowbankclaret wrote:So same question??
How many are allowed controlled immigration??
My apologies sir.taio wrote:I'm agreeing with you
No it isn't. That's just plain wrong.ClaretAndJew wrote:Controlling external EU immigration is totally in our control anyway, regardless of our EU membership.
We also didn't take part in the "Schengen Area" policy and instead decided to control our own borders.
Your not correct, EU membership means open borders.ClaretAndJew wrote:Controlling external EU immigration is totally in our control anyway, regardless of our EU membership.
We also didn't take part in the "Schengen Area" policy and instead decided to control our own borders.
Unless a genuine Brexit is delivered in the meantime, I predict you'll do a lot better than is generally anticipated. Almost everyone I know personally is in the process of washing their hands of Labour, that's for sure.Lowbankclaret wrote:Join us, we will NOT be lying to anyone.
That’s the message I am getting from all over the place.If it be your will wrote:Unless a genuine Brexit is delivered in the meantime, I predict you'll do a lot better than is generally anticipated. Almost everyone I know personally is in the process of washing their hands of Labour, that's for sure.
They get our benefits under certain circumstances, not just for turning up without a job, the same with Child Benefit. Everyone (who qualifies) can claim child benefit for multiple children.Lowbankclaret wrote:Your not correct, EU membership means open borders.
They get our benefits, even being allowed to claim child benefit for multiple kids and send it back home to the missus who lives back home.
Would you sell your soul to the devil and work with the Conservatives?Lowbankclaret wrote:That’s the message I am getting from all over the place.
When we can offer a local bloke who’s just a normal guy who’s a life long claret, and will fight for Brexit and Burnley every step of the way.
I think we can get people behind him.
It’s a funny thing doing door stepping.If it be your will wrote:Unless a genuine Brexit is delivered in the meantime, I predict you'll do a lot better than is generally anticipated. Almost everyone I know personally is in the process of washing their hands of Labour, that's for sure.
taio wrote:No it isn't. That's just plain wrong.
That doesn't support what you said.ClaretAndJew wrote:http://lawyers-inforbritain.uk/b-m-a/ca ... in-the-eu/
From the website:taio wrote:That doesn't support what you said.
Or become the USSR.Spijed wrote:Would you sell your soul to the devil and work with the Conservatives?
A bit inconsistent there; a Tory vote is a vote for The leader (assume you’re referring to Boris). A BP vote is a vote for the candidate?Lowbankclaret wrote:Well to be fair, leave voters could have two choices.
A Tory from eton and it was 1910 apparently when we last elected a Tory.
Or a local lad you can approach as he is one of us, who will fight for Burnley with every breath.
Whilst your not gunna vote on a football flag, many in Burnley have voted on the red flag of Labour.
I just think they might just have burnt some bridges.
The first paragraph is totally irrelevant. And the second paragraph doesn't control immigration either - checking identity that's it.ClaretAndJew wrote:From the website:
"First, the largest category of migrants to the UK come from outside the EU, and are not entitled to rely on EU laws on freedom of movement.[3] The UK’s ability to restrict entry to this group is unaffected by its membership of the EU.
Secondly, whereas many Member States have replaced individual controls with a common policy at their common frontier (known as the Schengen Area),[4] the UK chose to retain its right to independent border control and is entitled to check the identity of every individual entering the country.[5]"
Schrodringers Immigrant - both claiming all the benefits and nicking all the jobs.Lowbankclaret wrote:Your not correct, EU membership means open borders.
They get our benefits, even being allowed to claim child benefit for multiple kids and send it back home to the missus who lives back home.
Well my point not well made was. Say you have an issue with a road and you want to talk to your local MP.TheFamilyCat wrote:A bit inconsistent there; a Tory vote is a vote for The leader (assume you’re referring to Boris). A BP vote is a vote for the candidate?
I know some very right wing Burnley fans.Lowbankclaret wrote:Well my point not well made was. Say you have an issue with a road and you want to talk to your local MP.
Your walking in to see an eton educated Tory to talk about it.
Or a a burnley fan who was at the last away game, who would strike a conversation with and feel more confident with. You can have a chat about Mee’s bad pass and then move on to your serious issue.
Lancasterclaret wrote:Schrodringers Immigrant - both claiming all the benefits and nicking all the jobs.
Nice to see the "we are Not lying to anyone" lasted less than a page
And please remember, that free movement works both ways.
I get that the more elderly on here don't give a toss, but everyone else should do.
Are all Tory candidates Eton educated? I didn’t realise it was a pre-requisite.Lowbankclaret wrote:Well my point not well made was. Say you have an issue with a road and you want to talk to your local MP.
Your walking in to see an eton educated Tory to talk about it.
Or a a burnley fan who was at the last away game, who would strike a conversation with and feel more confident with. You can have a chat about Mee’s bad pass and then move on to your serious issue.
Well he is , has a couple of businesses in Burnley..Lancasterclaret wrote:I know some very right wing Burnley fans.
You point would be better made if you said he was a local guy btw.
Who is this eton educated conservative who's standing in Burnley?Lowbankclaret wrote:Well my point not well made was. Say you have an issue with a road and you want to talk to your local MP.
Your walking in to see an eton educated Tory to talk about it.
Or a a burnley fan who was at the last away game, who would strike a conversation with and feel more confident with. You can have a chat about Mee’s bad pass and then move on to your serious issue.
You can go anywhere in the 27 EU nations and work without any hassle.Lowbankclaret wrote:When I copied this page it added sentences that I could not see on the post , no idea how that works.
No where did you see see me say nicking our jobs, what you did see was me praise their skill level.
You are correct you can go to Poland and work for less money, feel free.
aggi wrote:Who is this eton educated conservative who's standing in Burnley?
Your not wrong, loads of Eastern European’s coming to Burnley .Lancasterclaret wrote:You can go anywhere in the 27 EU nations and work without any hassle.
For the young, thats a brilliant deal.
Just because I point it out when you make stuff up doesn't make me a Tory.Lowbankclaret wrote:Let’s see who stands eh, didn’t know Aggi was a died in the wood Tory.
