Lowbankclaret wrote:Your not wrong, loads of Eastern European’s coming to Burnley .

I worked a local fishing club, they already killed a fish we paid £1000 for to try to help the people of Burnley go fishing..

It’s a big help for some people.
Those people from abroad just kill what we try to improve.

I think the Brexit Party might not want your help on the doorstep if that is what you are going to be saying.

Unless of course people like me have been right along about the motivation of the Brexit Party. But its all about sovereignty isn't it?

aggi wrote:Just because I point it out when you make stuff up doesn't make me a Tory.

The last candidate went to Park High and Nelson and Colne college according to Google but I know that you prefer hyperbole and lies to facts.

If he stands again, I will be wrong, and will admit as such.

Lancasterclaret wrote:I think the Brexit Party might not want your help on the doorstep if that is what you are going to be saying.

Unless of course people like me have been right along about the motivation of the Brexit Party. But its all about sovereignty isn't it?

Really, I thought scaremongering about immigrants was Brexit Party policy (or would be if they had policies).

Or maybe that's just their boss (the unelected one they can't get rid of).

Lowbankclaret wrote:Your not wrong, loads of Eastern European’s coming to Burnley .

I worked a local fishing club, they already killed a fish we paid £1000 for to try to help the people of Burnley go fishing..

It’s a big help for some people.
Those people from abroad just kill what we try to improve.

I can just imagine the Burnley Brexit Party campaign using this dead £1000 fish on their posters.

Lancasterclaret wrote:I think the Brexit Party might not want your help on the doorstep if that is what you are going to be saying.

Unless of course people like me have been right along about the motivation of the Brexit Party. But its all about sovereignty isn't it?

No I will not saying that.
But as per last sat when I kicked 5 of them off our fishery I will act professionally.

My problem will be when I come across them killing our fish.

I could be up for murder then.

Lowbankclaret wrote:If he stands again, I will be wrong, and will admit as such.

He's already said he's not standing but I'd be happy to put money on the Burnley conservative candidate not being Eton educated.

Lowbankclaret wrote:Your not wrong, loads of Eastern European’s coming to Burnley .

I worked a local fishing club, they already killed a fish we paid £1000 for to try to help the people of Burnley go fishing..

It’s a big help for some people.
Those people from abroad just kill what we try to improve.

Think the Labour Party are well rid of you!

Lowbankclaret wrote:Well my point not well made was. Say you have an issue with a road and you want to talk to your local MP.

Your walking in to see an eton educated Tory to talk about it.

Or a a burnley fan who was at the last away game, who would strike a conversation with and feel more confident with. You can have a chat about Mee’s bad pass and then move on to your serious issue.

In addition to my last reply to this; I wouldn’t feel particularly confident going to see a single-issue Party MP about anything not related to their single issue.

TheFamilyCat wrote:I can just imagine the Burnley Brexit Party campaign using this dead £1000 fish on their posters.

To be fair the two things are separate.

Brexit is a big issue.

EU nationals killing fish is a small issue.

TheFamilyCat wrote:In addition to my last reply to this; I wouldn’t feel particularly confident going to see a single-issue Party MP about anything not related to their single issue.

I'd want to see more Brexit Party policies

So far we have "No Deal" Brexit and no inheritance tax.

If you think thats them working for the common man then you probably are so far down that rabbit hole there is no saving you.

The latest polling trends show the lib dems gaining on Labour just 4 points between them, the Tories dropping percentage points to Brexit the complexities of the new parliament after the election will result in another stalemate in fact labour and the Tories could group up to get a deal as opposed to the lib dems revoking article 50 and the Brexit party crashing us out with no deal. Cameron's unite the tories referendum has spectacularly backfired and I think we will end up with a fully binding in out or the May deal or similar vote.

Lowbankclaret wrote:No I will not saying that.
But as per last sat when I kicked 5 of them off our fishery I will act professionally.

My problem will be when I come across them killing our fish.

I could be up for murder then.

Certainly a new twist on the “over here stealing our jobs, claiming our benefits, shagging our women, killing our fish”

TheFamilyCat wrote:Certainly a new twist on the “over here stealing our jobs, claiming our benefits, shagging our women, killing our fish”

Dont even get me started on the Ducks

bfcjg wrote:The latest polling trends show the lib dems gaining on Labour just 4 points between them, the Tories dropping percentage points to Brexit the complexities of the new parliament after the election will result in another stalemate in fact labour and the Tories could group up to get a deal as opposed to the lib dems revoking article 50 and the Brexit party crashing us out with no deal. Cameron's unite the tories referendum has spectacularly backfired and I think we will end up with a fully binding in out or the May deal or similar vote.

Some hope on the deal front

Can't find the link but the interesting bit is that the "No Deal" Brexit stopping law has removed some pressure to the Irish in particular and made it more likely that Johnston might be able to get a deal and get it through Parliament.

Lowbankclaret wrote:To be fair the two things are separate.

Brexit is a big issue.

EU nationals killing fish is a small issue.

A small issue that you’d commit murder over? What would you do for Brexit?

martin_p wrote:Think the Labour Party are well rid of you!

The Party you are so well ****** of at.

I would just ask EU people coming her obey our laws. Killing things Burnley people have paid for you seem to think is ok.

Would your opinion be the same if it was a dog, a child, your wife.

TheFamilyCat wrote:A small issue that you’d commit murder over? What would you do for Brexit?

Just makes me angry they thing they can do what they like.

Lowbankclaret wrote:Your not wrong, loads of Eastern European’s coming to Burnley .

I worked a local fishing club, they already killed a fish we paid £1000 for to try to help the people of Burnley go fishing..

It’s a big help for some people.
Those people from abroad just kill what we try to improve.

The mask slips eventually.

Lowbankclaret wrote:The Party you are so well ****** of at.

I would just ask EU people coming her obey our laws. Killing things Burnley people have paid for you seem to think is ok.

Would your opinion be the same if it was a dog, a child, your wife.

No I don’t think it’s ok. But I also don’t think you should stereotype a whole nation based on a few bad apples. Do you think nothing paid for by Burnley people has ever been destroyed by Burnley people?

We stocked this fish fish for the people here to have a goal to aim for. Many of our members had problems with anger and got into trouble with the law.
They find a new tranquility in fishing that rehabilitates them.
You can all mock from behind from keyboard but I would say I have done more for the people of burnlry than most of you sat on your arse behind a keyboard doing nothing for our town.

Lowbankclaret wrote:The Party you are so well ****** of at.

I would just ask EU people coming her obey our laws. Killing things Burnley people have paid for you seem to think is ok.

Would your opinion be the same if it was a dog, a child, your wife.

First they came for our fish, and I didn’t speak out because I was not a fish...

Lowbankclaret wrote:

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We stocked this fish fish for the people here to have a goal to aim for. Many of our members had problems with anger and got into trouble with the law.
They find a new tranquility in fishing that rehabilitates them.
You can all mock from behind from keyboard but I would say I have done more for the people of burnlry than most of you sat on your arse behind a keyboard doing nothing for our town.

A fish so nice you named it twice

Lowbankclaret wrote:

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We stocked this fish fish for the people here to have a goal to aim for. Many of our members had problems with anger and got into trouble with the law.
They find a new tranquility in fishing that rehabilitates them.
You can all mock from behind from keyboard but I would say I have done more for the people of burnlry than most of you sat on your arse behind a keyboard doing nothing for our town.

Do you have evidence of who killed the fish (or that it was actually killed) and if so has it been reported as a crime? Is a prosecution likely?

TheFamilyCat wrote:Do you have evidence of who killed the fish (or that it was actually killed) and if so has it been reported as a crime? Is a prosecution likely?

Stand to reason that it was one of them immigrants what done it, and we’re not allowed to prosecute them because of political correctness and the EU.

Your right it’s circumstantial evidence.
A filleted fish next to a fire that’s gone our.

No proof they actual consumed the fish.

A country wide issue with Eastern European’s killing and eating carp..

No uk angler would kill a carp , they are all about carp care and looking after them.

Greenmile wrote:Stand to reason that it was one of them immigrants what done it, and we’re not allowed to prosecute them because of political correctness and the EU.

So out of touch, no uk fisherman would eat a carp.

Lowbankclaret wrote:So out of touch, no uk fisherman would eat a carp.

That’s you taken down Greenmile! Out of touch with the angling world! How will you live down that zinger!

Lowbankclaret wrote:So out of touch, no uk fisherman would eat a carp.

To be fair, not eating a carp is not a sign of being out of touch, its a sign of not giving a **** about fishing.

Lowbankclaret wrote:Your right it’s circumstantial evidence.
A filleted fish next to a fire that’s gone our.

No proof they actual consumed the fish.

A country wide issue with Eastern European’s killing and eating carp..

No uk angler would kill a carp , they are all about carp care and looking after them.

Your reply comes across as a little arsey. I was asking genuinely whether the culprits were known (the actual culprits, not the nationality as a whole) and if so, are they likely to be prosecuted.

But as Lancs said, to tar a whole nation Baer on the actions of a few is just wrong.

The two are not related.
I am a passionate fisherman and want to provide the best for a Burnley’s fisherman.

Brexit is an altogether different issue.

You guys can mix the two for your own agenda.

It is common knowledge though that all Polish people are 'died in the wood' carp thieves

Lowbankclaret wrote:The two are not related.
I am a passionate fisherman and want to provide the best for a Burnley’s fisherman.

Brexit is an altogether different issue.

You guys can mix the two for your own agenda.

Sorry, but you brought it up on the Brexit thread. It’s you who clearly sees it as part of the same issue.

Devils_Advocate wrote:Dont even get me started on the Ducks

Whatever did happen to JakubClaret?

TheFamilyCat wrote:Your reply comes across as a little arsey. I was asking genuinely whether the culprits were known (the actual culprits, not the nationality as a whole) and if so, are they likely to be prosecuted.

But as Lancs said, to tar a whole nation Baer on the actions of a few is just wrong.

Yes we know who they are, they know how to play us.
A little club trying to provide fishing for the community.
The police are not interested.
Trying to get volunteers to walk round a lake in dark who might come across EU people who are going kick your head in so they can eat fish they caught is not an easy task.
Being 6 foot and 16 stone they have fronted me up so far.

But we have had one bailiff who was kicked the sh1t out off.

TheFamilyCat wrote:Whatever did happen to JakubClaret?

He got sectioned after going completely Quackers!!

TheFamilyCat wrote:Sorry, but you brought it up on the Brexit thread. It’s you who clearly sees it as part of the same issue.

It’s an issue for anglers, brought on by the EU.

Most people will not care.

“Coming over here....stealing our women folk and killing our carp”
Send the buggers back....send the buggers back

Lowbankclaret wrote:It’s an issue for anglers, brought on by the EU.

Most people will not care.

I’m no expert on fishing and it is something you are clearly passionate about which I respect.

Attitudes towards fish and fishing are clearly very different culturally. Do you think that intolerance and hostility towards immigrants could have led to them not integrating and this understanding and respecting our culture?

As this thread has taken on a somewhat 'fishy' tone, I suggest creating a small reservoir and filling it with piranha. The three most useless active politicians of our time, namely Corbyn, Johnson and Farage could then be thrown in to fight for their beliefs. I would throw Corbyn in first and then, after letting them squirm and squeal for mercy, throw the other two in as well. David Cameron could also be added for causing all this chaos in the first place.

Piranha fish don't actually do what you think they would do

dsr wrote:Straight imports/exports won't be affected, but the UK's own oil, and oil refined in the UK will be at a competitive advantage because domestic wages and overheads are (I assume) paid in Sterling. Obviously this advantage is offset to a greater or lesser degree by the tariffs. But the point is that tariffs are bad news but not entirely bad news.

The other bit these yellowhammer papers don't mention is that while UK refineries exporting to Europe are at a competitive disadvantage because of tariffs, EU refineries exporting to the UK are at a double competitive disadvantage because of tariffs and exchange rates. It works both ways. Two competing refineries, one in France and one in the UK, may experience losses of sales to each other. It won't be all one way.

Hi dsr, I agree that GBP refinery operating costs will be lower than the equivalent Euro refinery operating costs, if all other things are equal between the refiners, but, generally these costs are at the very margins. The key things with refineries are what "kit" has the refinery got, i.e. how are the different conversion units configured, what are the scale of these different units, where has the refinery got bottlenecks and where does it have flexibility. Very rarely will one refinery be identical with another. Ideally, refineries are configured to optimise their crude "diet" based on intake of "advantaged" crudes. Some are configured to best process heavy sour crudes, some are better suited to sweeter, light specifications. And, then you have the issue that with every cargo of crude oil the refinery ends up with set percentages of "light ends" - which are on processed to manufacture gasoline (petrol to you and me) - middle distillates - gasoil, diesel and jet/kero - and heavy, residual fuel oil. This co-manufacturing process can leave the refinery selling some of its production at a loss, while it seeks to maximise the value of the sale of higher value products. All the time, you are selling at the then prevailing market price - and these prices change throughout the day. You may often sell as soon as you are able to to receive whatever price the market is then offering - and storing unsold product has it's own costs, so you don't plan to hold onto oil any longer than necessary. (Of course, you may also use hedging techniques to change the timing of the economic value of the sale and the actual physical sale of the product - and, again, hedging comes with it's own costs).

So, local wages and other overheads being paid in GBP or Euros are neither here nor there for the refiners.

BTW: I do hope the guys working on yellowhammer have this, and more, knowledge and expertise about refinery economics.

Brexitcast - what's all that about? 4 tv people sitting with their headphones on chatting amongst themselves in front of the cameras. Has the BBC totally lost it?

Andrew Neil's was, generally, a good show.

RingoMcCartney wrote:Do you really think I give a monkeys about why, not only, did you get some weird buzz, by going on another clubs message board, but registering as 2 seperate posters!!!!??? But what you did and who you upset while "the 2 of you" spent hours of fun, taking part in "verbal guerilla warfare as you put it!!!!!


You're even offering me tips on how to improve "Elizabeth"

You clearly relish this multiple personality disorder, fetish that you indulge yourself in on various football message boards. But, whichever one you choose to use. You cant hide the fact that you've got anger and self awareness issues.


Even if you're in your favourite "Verbal Guerilla Warfare" camouflage!



Step lightly, soldier. It's a verbal jungle out there!!

Just to clarify - yet again - I have one account on here. You have two, the second one to help support your increasingly odd behaviour and the one you run in such a feeble, unconvincing way. It's interesting that at no time have you ever denied being "Elizabeth". Still, its your prerogative to continue bullshitting, I guess.

I've no anger, no issues - I just happen to be one of the few who have sussed you out and its rattled you big time, fair enough, I get that.
What I'll never quite get is why you're pretending to be a woman..........yet you claim to have kids that you play with on the park
Something's not quite right there, is it ?

Step lightly, Missy, its a cross-dressing jungle out there.

And, as you'd say,

What does Boris do next?

Is he likely to win or lose?

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On my daily skim up this thread I see we have regressed to the debate about Brexit Party = Racist. I thought we had moved on from Jon Snow’s comment “I have never seen so many white people all in one place” about a Brexit party march, despite the BP having loads of ethnic minority candidates.

I’m too dim to know how to attach it on here, but Jon could want to study carefully the photo that Ursula Von Der Leyen has tweeted of her and her 27 all-white commissioners, which looks very similar to Junckers and his earlier photos of the last batch of 28 all-white commissioners. The big group of MEPs doesn’t have many either, and the few that there are, most are British. No person of colour has ever held high office in the EU.

They have even had the nerve to give their top migration official the title “Protecting the European way of life”. By which of course they mean white European.

The Brexit Party in particular, and Brexit voters in general, have called time on our place in this dodgy cabal, while remaining happy to have limited migration where it benefits us. Please don’t imply we are the racist ones. Perhaps look closer to home - the Lib Dem’s had to rely on Chukka defecting to get their first person of colour in the chamber, the SNP have none out of 35. Yet they have the nerve to falsely accuse the Tories of right wing behaviour. Rank hypocrisy.

From the Times,

"EU regret getting into bed with remainers"

European Union officials and diplomats are “tearing their hair out” at the twists and turns of Labour’s “mad” Brexit policy and regret past tactical alliances with Remain campaigners.

One Brussels source close to negotiations said the EU had “made mistakes” with Labour and was now horrified at the party’s convoluted position as political chaos in Westminster raises the prospect of Jeremy Corbyn taking the keys to Downing Street.

“They want us to negotiate a ‘credible’ deal and then they will campaign against it in a referendum? That is mad. How can we negotiate with people like that?” an EU source said. “Their divisions and magical thinking are as bad as anything the Conservatives produced — perhaps worse.”

The source expressed regrets that links with Sir Keir Starmer, the shadow Brexit secretary, had helped shape Labour tactics that backfired by contributing to three defeats for Theresa May’s withdrawal agreement.

There is growing belief among officials that hardline Remain supporters, such as Sir Keir, have helped create a political crisis that has rebounded on the EU by unravelling the deal.

Officials regret not cultivating other Labour MPs who support a withdrawal agreement to avoid alienating their party’s voters who backed Leave in northern and Welsh constituencies by campaigning to reverse Brexit.

“It would have been better to talk to sensible MPs like Stephen Kinnock or Lisa Nandy who want an agreement,” said the source.

More widely, European governments now believe that it has been a mistake to back Remainers such as Tony Blair and Lord Mandelson, who have links in Brussels and Paris, in their efforts to use delays to the Brexit deadline to keep Britain inside the EU.

Donald Tusk, the president of the European Council, has been active in encouraging Remain campaigners to press for extensions to the Article 50 process culminating in the recent House of Commons legislation to prevent a no-deal Brexit this week.

President Macron held private meetings with Mr Blair this year to offer a two-year delay to Brexit, in order to give Remainers the chance to reverse the 2016 referendum.

“Remainers in the EU once saw merit in extension because it kept Britain in the EU. That is changing and it is changing fast in the capitals,” a senior EU diplomat said.

“It has not been helpful and has been a get out jail free card allowing the Westminster parliament to think they do not have to take responsibility for the withdrawal agreement.”

CrosspoolClarets wrote:On my daily skim up this thread I see we have regressed to the debate about Brexit Party = Racist...

No we haven’t. Why do you feel the need to constantly lie?

AndyClaret wrote:From the Times,

"EU regret getting into bed with remainers"

European Union officials and diplomats are “tearing their hair out” at the twists and turns of Labour’s “mad” Brexit policy and regret past tactical alliances with Remain campaigners.

One Brussels source close to negotiations said the EU had “made mistakes” with Labour and was now horrified at the party’s convoluted position as political chaos in Westminster raises the prospect of Jeremy Corbyn taking the keys to Downing Street.

“They want us to negotiate a ‘credible’ deal and then they will campaign against it in a referendum? That is mad. How can we negotiate with people like that?” an EU source said. “Their divisions and magical thinking are as bad as anything the Conservatives produced — perhaps worse.”

The source expressed regrets that links with Sir Keir Starmer, the shadow Brexit secretary, had helped shape Labour tactics that backfired by contributing to three defeats for Theresa May’s withdrawal agreement.

There is growing belief among officials that hardline Remain supporters, such as Sir Keir, have helped create a political crisis that has rebounded on the EU by unravelling the deal.

Officials regret not cultivating other Labour MPs who support a withdrawal agreement to avoid alienating their party’s voters who backed Leave in northern and Welsh constituencies by campaigning to reverse Brexit.

“It would have been better to talk to sensible MPs like Stephen Kinnock or Lisa Nandy who want an agreement,” said the source.

More widely, European governments now believe that it has been a mistake to back Remainers such as Tony Blair and Lord Mandelson, who have links in Brussels and Paris, in their efforts to use delays to the Brexit deadline to keep Britain inside the EU.

Donald Tusk, the president of the European Council, has been active in encouraging Remain campaigners to press for extensions to the Article 50 process culminating in the recent House of Commons legislation to prevent a no-deal Brexit this week.

President Macron held private meetings with Mr Blair this year to offer a two-year delay to Brexit, in order to give Remainers the chance to reverse the 2016 referendum.

“Remainers in the EU once saw merit in extension because it kept Britain in the EU. That is changing and it is changing fast in the capitals,” a senior EU diplomat said.

“It has not been helpful and has been a get out jail free card allowing the Westminster parliament to think they do not have to take responsibility for the withdrawal agreement.”

Times started its electioneering early then. We should have a sweep on the first ‘Jeremy Corbyn talks to terrorist’ story of the election season.

CrosspoolClarets wrote:On my daily skim up this thread I see we have regressed to the debate about Brexit Party = Racist. I thought we had moved on from Jon Snow’s comment “I have never seen so many white people all in one place” about a Brexit party march, despite the BP having loads of ethnic minority candidates.

I’m too dim to know how to attach it on here, but Jon could want to study carefully the photo that Ursula Von Der Leyen has tweeted of her and her 27 all-white commissioners, which looks very similar to Junckers and his earlier photos of the last batch of 28 all-white commissioners. The big group of MEPs doesn’t have many either, and the few that there are, most are British. No person of colour has ever held high office in the EU.

They have even had the nerve to give their top migration official the title “Protecting the European way of life”. By which of course they mean white European.

The Brexit Party in particular, and Brexit voters in general, have called time on our place in this dodgy cabal, while remaining happy to have limited migration where it benefits us. Please don’t imply we are the racist ones. Perhaps look closer to home - the Lib Dem’s had to rely on Chukka defecting to get their first person of colour in the chamber, the SNP have none out of 35. Yet they have the nerve to falsely accuse the Tories of right wing behaviour. Rank hypocrisy.

It would help if a confirmed Brexit Party supporter didn’t take the line that all Poles are bad because one stole his fish! But for clarity, the accusation was against him not the whole Brexit Party.

martin_p wrote:Times started its electioneering early then. We should have a sweep on the first ‘Jeremy Corbyn talks to terrorist’ story of the election season.

True but its nice to see a poster like Andy softening his stance on Brexit and supporting the views of Labour MPs like Stephen Kinnock and Lisa Nandy rather than idiots like Farage