Supply Chains after No Deal

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Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by basil6345789 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:56 pm

Just seen Newsnight. They talk about various Lead Time issues and other routine logistics aspects as though it's all man in the Moon stuff. What do they want for their money, what have they been thinking about for the last 2 years.
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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:04 pm

basil6345789 wrote:Just seen Newsnight. They talk about various Lead Time issues and other routine logistics aspects as though it's all man in the Moon stuff. What do they want for their money, what have they been thinking about for the last 2 years.
Might be able to spend more money sorting the acclaimed universal credit out & ease the burden on the food banks.

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by Stayingup » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:11 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:Might be able to spend more money sorting the acclaimed universal credit out & ease the burden on the food banks.
What is the burden on the food banks and which particular ones are you referring to?

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by Jakubclaret » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:13 pm

Stayingup wrote:What is the burden on the food banks and which particular ones are you referring to?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 73931.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by Pstotto » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:59 pm

We have to expect not to be the wusser generation and to see this through, for the future of our country and our people. Short term stuff, never mind. Get the community spirit going.

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by theroyaldyche » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:14 am

Wonder what noel edmonds thinks

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:07 am

Even with contingency plans being worked on, its hard to imagine a scenario where there won't be significant disruption if we leave without a deal.

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by SmudgetheClaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 8:32 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Even with contingency plans being worked on, its hard to imagine a scenario where there won't be significant disruption if we leave without a deal.
this country was founded on disruption...

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:08 am

Cheers Smudge, but at some stage you are going to have to get your head around that no one has tried to do what it looks like we are going to do.

You can quote as many Brexiteer myths at me as you like, but an overnight change to pretty much everything we do is going to cause disruption. How much or for how long all depends on the planning and contingency plans in place.

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by houseboy » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:20 am

Oh look - another bloody Brexit thread. Close it.

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by AlargeClaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:28 am

The disruption will only be caused if the likes of Spain and France revert to type and cause a fuss over airspace ( though very unlikely ) Sure its gonna be slower clearing goods , but a temp system will be in place so ensure fresh produce doesn’t perish . Container deliveries from non Eu actually clear U.K. customs the exact same time as EU goods so Armageddon is unlikely as much as some of the more hysterical remainers would prefer we ended up in a version of Dante’s hell

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:29 am

"Oh look, another very obvious Brexit thread that I've not managed to avoid clicking on"

Just how hard is not to click on a thread you are not interested in?
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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by Goobs » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:30 am

it's like Y2K or the petrol strikes all over again :D

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by basil6345789 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:19 am

Will I still be able to get my dates from Tunisia delivered the next day if I order before 3.00pm the day before?
This is very important to me.

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by Chip Harrison » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:21 am

basil6345789 wrote:Will I still be able to get my dates from Tunisia delivered the next day if I order before 3.00pm the day before?
This is very important to me.
How long has Tunisia been in the EU?

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by basil6345789 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:24 am

That's a yes then! What about lettuces from Egypt and fruit from all over the world.
Prices will come down too.

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:27 am

basil6345789 wrote:Will I still be able to get my dates from Tunisia delivered the next day if I order before 3.00pm the day before?
This is very important to me.

yes but you will have no chance getting a continental quilt.

Then again some on here make it sound like we will never travel, work or eat again so who knows.

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by JohnMac » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:35 am

The whole thing has been ******** from the outset but the negativity of some of those wishing to remain in Europe will always be at the forefront of my mind.

We have an elected body of wastrels doing exactly the same thing when they should be carrying out the will of the people that voted.

It's no good banging on about 'too young to vote' 'didn't vote' 'wrong result'. It's happened, the result was called, move forward, yesterday can never be changed it's called history.

If a high % of current incumbents keep their seat at the next general election then the electorate deserve everything they get.

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by basil6345789 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:45 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:yes but you will have no chance getting a continental quilt.

Then again some on here make it sound like we will never travel, work or eat again so who knows.
Our continental quilts come from China.

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:53 am

Wahay!

Brexit means Brexit

Leave means Leave

If only someone had told you lot that it wasn't that simple?

Oh they did, but of course your generation know best!

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by basil6345789 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:08 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Wahay!

Brexit means Brexit

Leave means Leave

If only someone had told you lot that it wasn't that simple?

Oh they did, but of course your generation know best!
A bit of ageist bigotry there Lancaster - not like you, you seem to be a very fair person.

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:19 am

I am, but I'm not very impressed with the older generation on Brexit.

Such wisdom and experience in so many useful ways, but that is clashing really badly with their complete inflexibility on Brexit.

Leaving is fine (well, it isn't, but it is what was voted for) but leaving with a "No Deal"? Nope

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by basil6345789 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:32 am

I understand your point, Lancaster but I do believe opponents to Brexit are dragging their heels and want much disruption so they can gloat.
What baffles me is that I'm used to seeing is busineses with not just marketing and development plans but also contingency ones (once known as disaster plans). Indeed some insurers won't bother with you if you don't have these. Instead of developing a series of "what if" scenarios they just hide behind "we can't do anything until we know what's going to happen".

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:37 am

Who wants to gloat?

Not me, I've been clear from Day One that I want to avoid economic damage above all else as that will really hurt us.

One of the reasons you think I'm a fair poster is that I've proved over time I'm a fair poster. I've struggled to stay fair at times on this subject because I'm arguing with people who are ignoring everything and anything that doesn't suit their narrative. We are in a world of potential trouble here, and refusal to accept even the possibility of trouble is not helping.

I agree that every business is now full on "No Deal" planning to minimise the effects, but that is because its not "Project Fear"

An acknowledgement on here from the more obdurate about that would be a start I feel!

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by Stayingup » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:44 am

Yes I saw that. I was just wondering where there is one near to me, in the Rossendale/Ramsbottom/Bury area.

They are undoubtedly a good thing and I would support them. Its such a shame though that they are needed. More the pity when we are sending I think this year 13 Billion overseas in foreign aid. That is another programme I would support but selectively not fixed like Cameron did. It should be used in disaster cases and war zones.

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by SammyBoy » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:54 am

Perhaps businesses spent the last two years waiting for the announcement that the easiest deal in history had been signed off. Or waiting for the German car industry to cave and give us everything we want? :lol: :lol:

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by Stayingup » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:57 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Even with contingency plans being worked on, its hard to imagine a scenario where there won't be significant disruption if we leave without a deal.
But you dont really know that do you? Your iether hoping for it or listening to the likes ofTony Blair too often. Try Lord Bamford. he has a bit of experience in business.

I have a question for you. In all this debate about the EU and all throughout the first and now second phases of so called Project Fear I have never heard the case being stated for the EU. What is it? In addition what will the EU have morphed into in 10 years. I dread to think. Of course you kniw that I want sovereignty for the UK so am against a European Superstate run by unelected and in this case buffoons and corrupt ones at that like Junker.

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by dougcollins » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:12 pm

There are two types of people who think 'No Deal' is a good thing - the extremely rich and the extremely stupid.

If you don't know which you are take a look in your wallet.
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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by JTClaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:23 pm

Right at the start of all this I watched a Newsnight - I've long since given up caring.
They were all bickering about, well, anything and nothing, like they did for the next 2 years.
An American woman asked, What exactly are you arguing? You have to make decisions to argue about. At the moment you are arguing over possibilities that don't even exist yet.

This is still happening...and Corbyn is the worst one for it, especially when you consider he refused to discuss actually finding a good solution. Instead choosing to argue about what shouldn't happen if a solution isn't found.

And for that reason, I'm Out. I literally couldn't give a toss anymore.
If it effects me, I'll find a way to deal with it. Shocking I know.
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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:54 pm

Stayingup wrote:Yes I saw that. I was just wondering where there is one near to me, in the Rossendale/Ramsbottom/Bury area.

They are undoubtedly a good thing and I would support them. Its such a shame though that they are needed. More the pity when we are sending I think this year 13 Billion overseas in foreign aid. That is another programme I would support but selectively not fixed like Cameron did. It should be used in disaster cases and war zones.
It was aimed towards posters mentioning the universal credit system & not understanding while we are flooded with immigration there is no appetite in Westminster to raise the minimum wage, as they well know the migrants will take the employment up & the indigenous people will be unable to due to different living arrangements. Would you give somebody a payrise if you could get a cheaper worker imported.
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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:05 pm

But you dont really know that do you? Your iether hoping for it or listening to the likes ofTony Blair too often. Try Lord Bamford. he has a bit of experience in business.
Note that he used to be mentioned in the same breath as James Dyson. Now, no one mentions Dyson.......

The EU will change over time no doubt, as will the UK. It will change to meet the demands of its members. Whatever it does will affect us whether we are in or out because of history and geographical location. I'm more comfortable with that than most.

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by BleedingClaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:20 pm

It occurred to me that if there was significant food shortages for 6 months levelling out to current levels in around a year most of us would
be about the right weight, thus saving the NHS 350 million a week as prophecised

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by dsr » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:43 pm

BleedingClaret wrote:It occurred to me that if there was significant food shortages for 6 months levelling out to current levels in around a year most of us would
be about the right weight, thus saving the NHS 350 million a week as prophecised
But costing the pensions department, double that amount.

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:53 pm

JTClaret wrote:Right at the start of all this I watched a Newsnight - I've long since given up caring.
They were all bickering about, well, anything and nothing, like they did for the next 2 years.
An American woman asked, What exactly are you arguing? You have to make decisions to argue about. At the moment you are arguing over possibilities that don't even exist yet.

This is still happening...and Corbyn is the worst one for it, especially when you consider he refused to discuss actually finding a good solution. Instead choosing to argue about what shouldn't happen if a solution isn't found.

And for that reason, I'm Out. I literally couldn't give a toss anymore.
If it effects me, I'll find a way to deal with it. Shocking I know.
This is one of the best statements I've read on this forum about Brexit.

It's not worth the time throwing stones at either side about it anymore.
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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by Stayingup » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:59 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Note that he used to be mentioned in the same breath as James Dyson. Now, no one mentions Dyson.......

The EU will change over time no doubt, as will the UK. It will change to meet the demands of its members. Whatever it does will affect us whether we are in or out because of history and geographical location. I'm more comfortable with that than most.
Dyson? You mean the buy that paid 108 million in tax in the UK last year. I am mentioning him now. You will note that he has moved some of his operation to Singapore. Singapore, a place I know well in an area I know well. It is situated beautifully between the sub continent, SE Asia nd China. That where most of the worlds population is and where most of the economic growth is. Why would he not want a presence there, particulaly as he has manufactured for a long time in Malaysia? I would. In fact I do most of my business in that region. Its an area that the UK can increase trade with. We have some real advantages. One being that many many of the populations speak English and all te business communities do.

By the way I notice you didn't tell me why we should remain in the EU? I am all for a common market with Europe It makes sense but the EU doesnt. I am for immigration tailored to the needs of our country, be skilled on none skilled. The EU apperas to have little regard for what is best for its people, onward with the failed experiment and more of it, thats the most important thing to these Eurocrats And they are beset with woes right now. A lot of it is recession or heading that way. But never mind on with the experiment.
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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:06 pm

I did actually

Pleased for you that you have a successful business dealing with the SE Asian nations.

Genuine question here, what is the current trade agreements with that area? Is is a trading block of nations or do they all set their own independant trade policies?

EDITED - cheers dsr, it did need to be clearer
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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by dsr » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:19 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:I did actually

Pleased for you that you have a successful business dealing with the SE Asian nations.

Genuine question here, what is the current trade agreements with that area? Is is a trading block of nations or are they all independent?
You can't be both?

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by IanMcL » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:26 pm

I want to be run by Europe.

27 other countries ensure nothing bad happens.
A country enslaved by Tories will produce only bad outcomes.

A prime Minister who thinks it is clever to take us to the wire, to try and win a vote, should be tried for treason, along with her predecessor, although he could claim incompetence.

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by houseboy » Tue Feb 12, 2019 4:55 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:"Oh look, another very obvious Brexit thread that I've not managed to avoid clicking on"

Just how hard is not to click on a thread you are not interested in?
I only have a look occasionally (I haven't for quite some time) and when I do it's only to see what disgraceful lies and scaremongering the remainers are coming up with now. Have the aliens landed yet? When are the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse due? It'll be interesting when the French declare war on us.

Oh, but wait, there are signs that a few countries do want to do business with us, well there's a surprise.

Well, I'll be off now, need to get stocked up on wine and baked beans before we are blockaded.

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by Greenmile » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:27 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:It was aimed towards posters mentioning the universal credit system & not understanding while we are flooded with immigration there is no appetite in Westminster to raise the minimum wage, as they well know the migrants will take the employment up & the indigenous people will be unable to due to different living arrangements. Would you give somebody a payrise if you could get a cheaper worker imported.

At least now you’re admitting the minimum wage is part of the problem - that’s progress imo.

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by Lancasterclaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:29 pm

You contributions are always welcome Houseboy.

Course, i'd be a bit cautious about throwing terms like "disgraceful lies and scaremongering" about as a Brexiteer. Its how we got here in the first place.

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 5:37 pm

Greenmile wrote:At least now you’re admitting the minimum wage is part of the problem - that’s progress imo.
More to the point, the fantasyland notion that immigration isn’t intrinsically linked to the minimum wage & acts as a barrier for any sort of raise.

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:02 pm

IanMcL wrote:I want to be run by Europe.

27 other countries ensure nothing bad happens.
A country enslaved by Tories will produce only bad outcomes.

A prime Minister who thinks it is clever to take us to the wire, to try and win a vote, should be tried for treason, along with her predecessor, although he could claim incompetence.
Enslaved by Tories :roll: or Bankrupt by Labour.

Rock and a hard place if ever there was one...

What about the complete lack of support by other parties for Brexit, they're getting some of the blame for this going down to the wire.
It's mainly the Tories complete incompetence mind, but they're not alone in messing this up.

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by BleedingClaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:18 pm

dsr wrote:But costing the pensions department, double that amount.
Yes but that’s a lot later and likely the planet won’t be fit for human survival
So alls good and no pressure at all on the NHS or Social Security
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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by BleedingClaret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:19 pm

dsr wrote:But costing the pensions department, double that amount.
Yes but that’s a lot later and likely the planet won’t be fit for human survival
So all is good and no pressure at all on the NHS or Social Security

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by Vintage Claret » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:23 pm

'liked' the opening post by mistake, (fat fingers on a small mobile screen :-) ) no big deal but for future reference how do you 'unlike' a post you've 'liked' by mistake?

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by Greenmile » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:26 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:More to the point, the fantasyland notion that immigration isn’t intrinsically linked to the minimum wage & acts as a barrier for any sort of raise.
How does that work then? The govt sets the minimum wage. Is it big business telling them what to do?

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by Greenmile » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:27 pm

Vintage Claret wrote:'liked' the opening post by mistake, (fat fingers on a small mobile screen :-) ) no big deal but for future reference how do you 'unlike' a post you've 'liked' by mistake?
I just hit the "like" button again. Works for me, but I occasionally see multiple likes from one poster, so maybe it doesn't work for everyone.

Edit - just seen your double like of the OP. I can't help you then, I'm afraid.

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Re: Supply Chains after No Deal

Post by Clarets4me » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:54 pm

IanMcL wrote:I want to be run by Europe. 27 other countries ensure nothing bad happens.
A country enslaved by Tories will produce only bad outcomes.
A prime Minister who thinks it is clever to take us to the wire, to try and win a vote, should be tried for treason, along with her predecessor, although he could claim incompetence.
I take it that the first line of your post won't be on your leaflet next time you're up for re-election ! I can see the headlines now, " Maverick Labour Councillor wants UK to be " Run by Europe ", " Doesn't trust electorate " !! :?

Are you planning to join the proposed breakaway from Labour, or stay and, in the words of Hugh Gaitskell , " Fight, fight & fight again to save the party we love ", from the grip on the party currently held by the " Hard left " and the " Trots " ??

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