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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:11 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Have you even bothered to answer my question? Of course you haven't.

Are you aware that you are losing your rights to a fair trial? Are you OK with that?
I'm more than happy for members of a terrorist organisation to lose their right to enter the UK without a trial.
Hope that clears it up for you.

Still yet to understand your tantrum over this though.
Why do you want her and her ilk back in the UK?

She doesn't like the UK (apart from the NHS), she doesn't like how we live, she joined a terrorist organisation who's aim was the destruction of the western way of life and the people who live it.

She's told the world all of this and you want to waste hundreds of thousands of ££ on a trial that will result in her being allowed to stay in the UK because her kid will be here..

You're clearly wrong in the head if that's what your end game is in this discussion.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by RingoMcCartney » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:12 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I DON'T GIVE A **** ABOUT HER

2010 - uk general election- YOU LOST

2014 - Scots independence referendum- YOU LOST

2015 - UK general election- YOU LOST

2016 - uk , European referendum- YOU LOST

2016 - USA Presidential election- YOU LOST

2017 - uk general election- YOU LOST

2018 - Brazilian presidetial election- YOU LOST

2019 - ISIS terrorist - YOU LOST.

Always being on the losing side is just nature's way of saying you suck.
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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:13 pm

You talk about the law IT but this is the same law which imprisons people longer for fraud than it does rape. It is outdated and many peoples frustrations are being took out on this issue. Not saying it is right or wrong we are not letting her back. On one side she was 15 and obviously groomed in a way, but on the other she comes across as so arrogant and blaise about the whole thing. Not believing the headlines which if anybody has seen the interviews show that the media are totally twisting her words and sensationalizing the whole thing. I think the whole Brexit and mob mentality around that and voices not being heard are magnified 100 times with cases like that

Sadly you are losing the battle here. She would never get a proper trial. Her family if not already would be in great danger if she was to come back. She made a stupid choice but as she says she doesnt regret it.
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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:16 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:2010 - uk general election- YOU LOST

2014 - Scots independence referendum- YOU LOST

2015 - UK general election- YOU LOST

2016 - uk , European referendum- YOU LOST

2016 - USA Presidential election- YOU LOST

2017 - uk general election- YOU LOST

2018 - Brazilian presidetial election- YOU LOST

2019 - ISIS terrorist - YOU LOST.

Always being on the losing side is just nature's way of saying you suck.
I've repeatedly corrected you on a bunch of these and yet you still poses this. It's as if you're completely immune to facts.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Bin Ont Turf » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:17 pm

RingoMcCartney wrote:2010 - uk general election- YOU LOST

2014 - Scots independence referendum- YOU LOST

2015 - UK general election- YOU LOST

2016 - uk , European referendum- YOU LOST

2016 - USA Presidential election- YOU LOST

2017 - uk general election- YOU LOST

2018 - Brazilian presidetial election- YOU LOST

2019 - ISIS terrorist - YOU LOST.

Always being on the losing side is just nature's way of saying you suck.

You forgot the big one...... Ashley Barnes' pass when Matic tried to make a tackle. :D
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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:17 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:You talk about the law IT but this is the same law which imprisons people longer for fraud than it does rape. It is outdated and many peoples frustrations are being took out on this issue. Not saying it is right or wrong we are not letting her back. On one side she was 15 and obviously groomed in a way, but on the other she comes across as so arrogant and blaise about the whole thing. Not believing the headlines which if anybody has seen the interviews show that the media are totally twisting her words and sensationalizing the whole thing. I think the whole Brexit and mob mentality around that and voices not being heard are magnified 100 times with cases like that

Sadly you are losing the battle here. She would never get a proper trial. Her family if not already would be in great danger if she was to come back. She made a stupid choice but as she says she doesnt regret it.

I'm fully aware that those of us who value our liberty are losing the battle. What i'd like to know is if the people selling out our freedoms know that that's what they're doing. I keep asking people that question but they never seem to answer.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:19 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:I'm more than happy for members of a terrorist organisation to lose their right to enter the UK without a trial.
Hope that clears it up for you.

No. You're not answering my question.

I'll try again, for a third time. Are you aware that YOU no longer have the guarantee of a trial if you are accused of a crime? If you are accused of the same crime that she is accused of are you aware that you don't automatically have the right to a trial? And are you OK with that?

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by WadingInDeeper » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:24 pm

Whichever way this had gone there wouldn't be a right answer to satisfy everyone.

With this decision, we've potentially created a martyr and made it easier to recruit those who may have known her, or been sympathetic to her returning.

However, if she'd returned we could have been letting a wolf into the sheep fold.

Keep your friends close and enemies closer springs to mind.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:28 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:No. You're not answering my question.

I'll try again, for a third time. Are you aware that YOU no longer have the guarantee of a trial if you are accused of a crime? If you are accused of the same crime that she is accused of are you aware that you don't automatically have the right to a trial? And are you OK with that?
Yeah if I'm over in Syria or another country having recently left a terrorist organisation and have dual nationality.
However, I'm not in another country, I'm not religious and at this moment in time I don't have dual nationality.

Glad we've cleared all of that up.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:33 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Yeah if I'm over in Syria or another country having recently left a terrorist organisation and have dual nationality.
However, I'm not in another country, I'm not religious and at this moment in time I don't have dual nationality.

Glad we've cleared all of that up.
So after three attempts to get a straight yes or no answer to my yes or no question, you've refused.

I think that tells me all I need to know.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by atlantalad » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:38 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I'm fully aware that those of us who value our liberty are losing the battle. What i'd like to know is if the people selling out our freedoms know that that's what they're doing. I keep asking people that question but they never seem to answer.
OK I will answer for you. We are not selling out on our freedoms. To be granted UK citizenship " a person needs meet the good character
requirement in the British Nationality Act 1981 (BNA1981) " See link (https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... y-guidance ) and to save you time IT read pages 31 and 32 and ask yourself does Ms Begum contravene these requirements? If she contravenes these, then she will not meet the requirements of being granted British citizen status and, since she used her sisters passport to travel to Syria chances are she has never held a UK passport so maybe a bit late trying it now.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:43 pm

atlantalad wrote:OK I will answer for you. We are not selling out on our freedoms. To be granted UK citizenship " a person needs meet the good character
requirement in the British Nationality Act 1981 (BNA1981) " See link (https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... y-guidance ) and to save you time IT read pages 31 and 32 and ask yourself does Ms Begum contravene these requirements? If she contravenes these, then she will not meet the requirements of being granted British citizen status and, since she used her sisters passport to travel to Syria chances are she has never held a UK passport so maybe a bit late trying it now.
Well, she wasn't granted UK citizenship. She was born here. And again, my point isn't the revocation of citizenship, it's the punishment without a trial that i'm objecting to because it means, if the government so wishes it, I don't have the right to a trial if the government accuses me of something.
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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:43 pm

The justice system is B*llocks anyway, they have the liberty really to exercise discretion even circumventing law (loopholes) people serving life, peter sutcliffe, moor murders (when alive) just get dismissed at parole, not suggesting i wanted them at large, they do what they want to a certain degree.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by ClaretMoffitt » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:46 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Do you at least accept that this further chips away at your own freedoms? Are you at least aware that's what is happening?
I do, and I am totally aware of your point and accept it as 100% valid.

I am just sceptical of people on your sides true motivations for making these arguments; given they are totally MIA when such injustices were being dished out against Count Dankula and others and if not MIA, actively rejoicing.

I'm starting to learn you can't beat the system, all you can do is laugh when the shoe is on the other foot.
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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Tricky Trevor » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:49 pm

IT, I’m a socialist and agree with you on a lot of things you post but when you are left wing on every topic under the sun you are coming from the same corner as Corbyn and the British people don't want that.
I don’t give a flying fish about rights. I want justice. People use rights to hide from justice, f.uck em. I know there are bent cops, always has been, always will be. You just have to go with it and keep your nose clean.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:49 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:The justice system is B*llocks anyway, they have the liberty really to exercise discretion even circumventing law (loopholes) people serving life, peter sutcliffe, moor murders (when alive) just get dismissed at parole, not suggesting i wanted them at large, they do what they want to a certain degree.
Sutcliffe is still in prison, and the Moors murders were never released either.

Would you like to have another swing at that pitch you tossed up for yourself?

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:50 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I'm fully aware that those of us who value our liberty are losing the battle. What i'd like to know is if the people selling out our freedoms know that that's what they're doing. I keep asking people that question but they never seem to answer.
You say people selling out our freedoms, whom do you mean by this? Because the public, the ordinary joe, the people whose freedoms are being sold out are massively for this in this case.

It may be a slippery slope but there will always be one case that slips the net and gets punished for something they havent done. But in this case she was of sound mind to plan her escape from this country. Marry and have children. Wind up the people she supposedly wants to have her back by calling her child an antaganostic name which shows zero remorse. Lets have it right if she was imprisoned over here within a day there would be a bounty on her head and she wouldnt be walking out them gates. She is best where she is

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Jakubclaret » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:53 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Sutcliffe is still in prison, and the Moors murders were never released either.

Would you like to have another swing at that pitch you tossed up for yourself?
Thats what I'm saying, served life but will never see daylight, unless it's a supervised funeral relation visit on the cuffs or in the exercise yard, the other 2 definitely won't only the furnaces. A large lethal injection would be easier.
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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:54 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:IT, I’m a socialist and agree with you on a lot of things you post but when you are left wing on every topic under the sun you are coming from the same corner as Corbyn and the British people don't want that.
I don’t give a flying fish about rights. I want justice. People use rights to hide from justice, f.uck em. I know there are bent cops, always has been, always will be. You just have to go with it and keep your nose clean.

"I don't care about rights. I want justice." kinda sums up how this country is backwards. We can now be accused of a crime by the government and we don't automatically have the right to defend ourselves.

If you have to deny someone a trial because you fear they might be found not guilty then how can any punishment be just?

Read a history book or two. See how things "worked" before we had such principles as 'innocent until proven guilty', or trial by jury. Or you can just wait a while and maybe you'll get to experience it first hand.

And btw, I don't accept the implication that wanting the right to a trial is a left-wing issue. It's a liberal issue.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:58 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:"I don't care about rights. I want justice." kinda sums up how this country is backwards. We can now be accused of a crime by the government and we don't automatically have the right to defend ourselves.

If you have to deny someone a trial because you fear they might be found not guilty then how can any punishment be just?

Read a history book or two. See how things "worked" before we had such principles as 'innocent until proven guilty', or trial by jury. Or you can just wait a while and maybe you'll get to experience it first hand.

And btw, I don't accept the implication that wanting the right to a trial is a left-wing issue. It's a liberal issue.
Why should we allow her trial in our country though when she wanted to live under another governments/ terrorists groups laws? She has stated she still believes in their laws so why does she want to come back?

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Philss_99 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:59 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Well, she wasn't granted UK citizenship. She was born here. And again, my point isn't the revocation of citizenship, it's the punishment without a trial that i'm objecting to because it means, if the government so wishes it, I don't have the right to a trial if the government accuses me of something.
Queston you need to ask yourself is " Are you a UK tax payer " ?

Are you happy for your contributions to go towards your arguement ?

She has zero remorse an only wants our NHS. For the first time in a long long time does our government have my full support and backing.

I understand your arguement about fair trail but she gave that up when she left our county illegaly on a famly members passport.

She is dangerous and I for one hope she enjoys Bangladesh.
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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:59 pm

She is as English as Greg Rusedski

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:02 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:So after three attempts to get a straight yes or no answer to my yes or no question, you've refused.

I think that tells me all I need to know.
The fact you think it's a yes or no question actually says more about you than anyone else.

It isn't that clear and you know it, it was never going to be.
You want people in the UK to get the full legal treatment, I've no issue with that and agree with it.

A member of a terrorist organisation in the desert has made their choice and if we can LEGALLY leave them out there then great.

You stick the yes or no option back in the cupboard, it isn't applicable here.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Tricky Trevor » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:24 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:If you have to deny someone a trial because you fear they might be found not guilty then how can any punishment be just?.


They haven’t denied her a trial. They have said she can’t come back as she has dual nationality and they have revoked, subject to appeal, her British passport.
The problem I have with her coming back is, even if gaoled, she would be a heroine, poster girl to use her expression, to the extremists amongst us. If freed she would be under 24hr surveillance, with all that entails. There aren’t enough cops on the streets as it is.

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Post by Lord Beamish » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:27 pm

She’s not coming back?

Thank f* ck for that!
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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by dsr » Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:16 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Have you even bothered to answer my question? Of course you haven't.

Are you aware that you are losing your rights to a fair trial? Are you OK with that?
We've been losing rights for years. We've lost the right to fly without a passport. We've lost the right to visit public places carrying rucksacks. We've lost the right to wear a cross in much of the middle east. We've lost the right to go the the front door of 10 Downing Street. And now we've lost the right to go and join in someone else's civil war and fight for everything that Britain stands against (or ought to).

There has never been, so far as I know, a judicial procedure akin to a trial for receiving a passport or not. However, one thing this woman has had is the opportunity to put her case in the public domain, and let us know just why she should be allowed in. She has put her case, and has let us know just why she should not be allowed in.

There are about 800 men and women who have fought for ISIL, who agree (like this woman) that in principle and in practice, planting bombs to kill children at a concert is a good thing. All 800 have been willing to risk death in that cause. And the question we're asking in this case isn't whether the law has been changed to keep them out; it's whether the law ought to be changed to make it easier to let them in. And the answer is obviously no.

Hard times make hard laws. There were plenty of innocents mixed up in the internment of Germans during WW2, and no doubt many mistakes were made in the way and scale that it was done; but it was effective. There was virtually no effective fifth column in the UK. We already have too many fifth columnists in the UK as it is; people who hold British passports but who want British people to die. There is no benefit to encouraging more.
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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:51 am

Turtle it seems your tears are never going to stop unless this "victim" gets a trial.

We could maybe hold a trial in her absence (due to her wanting to be in Syria with the other wa**ers who share her thoughts.

Maybe as her defence you could answer these :-

Did she travel to another country having stolen someones passport ?
Did she go to Syria
Did she go to join Isis

If you can answer those with a yes (considering she has said yes shouldn't be hard for even someone like you) then she has been found guilty.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:06 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Turtle it seems your tears are never going to stop unless this "victim" gets a trial.

We could maybe hold a trial in her absence (due to her wanting to be in Syria with the other wa**ers who share her thoughts.

Maybe as her defence you could answer these :-

Did she travel to another country having stolen someones passport ?
Did she go to Syria
Did she go to join Isis

If you can answer those with a yes (considering she has said yes shouldn't be hard for even someone like you) then she has been found guilty.

If I’m reading this right he doesn’t have a problem with her being found guilty.
His point is everyone, be it this shitbag, those scumbags who killed James Bulger or someone who has been wrongly accused of a crime, should be entitled to a fair trial as part of a functioning society.
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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:08 am

She has admitted her guilt herself

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:23 am

Javid can only do this because she has Bangladeshi parents.

he couldn't do it to me, whatever I did.

This creates two classes of Brits.

Thats a route we shouldn't be going down.
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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Blackrod » Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:33 am

Should being British be about a bit of paper or about culture, attitude, values and loyalty to the country ?

First time I’ve ever agreed with Piers Morgan on anything. This scumbag seems to want to desert her husband quickly who has already handed himself in to Syrian authorities. This is all about accessing NHS for the baby and the freebies this country has to offer. The country needs to demonstrate a hard line.

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Post by Blackrod » Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:38 am

The family’s legal representative ( a joke imo) has likened her to a 1st World War soldier....

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:41 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Javid can only do this because she has Bangladeshi parents.

he couldn't do it to me, whatever I did.

This creates two classes of Brits.

Thats a route we shouldn't be going down.
There are always going to be two classes of Brits though, because a section of society wants to have dual nationality.
I've nothing against dual nationality, I can have it myself if I really want it, but people can't suddenly start complaining if we use the law correctly to throw out, or refuse entry to, a known trouble maker.
Some of the child abusers from Rotherham are being tbrown out when their prison terms are over which I think is great.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by RingoMcCartney » Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:54 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:I’m beginning to WARM to her. Best WUM I’ve heard of for a while.

No, I don’t think she should be allowed back in the country but I hope she gives a few more of these interviews before the decision is made. The Ringos of this world getting so frothed up is great entertainment.
"Warming to" a woman who believes the crushing of a barbaric islamic death cult, justifies the slaughter of innocent children attending a pop concert in Manchester?

Interesting.

On a lighter note, the entertainment that Turtles head has provided since Javids decision was announced has been a joy to behold.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:09 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:She has admitted her guilt herself
I’ve no doubt she’s guilty.

The more I think about this Javid decision the more uncomfortable I am with it.
We are effectively washing our hands of her saying she’s not our problem.
Is that not just kicking the can further down the road? If she goes to Bangladesh are they going to punish her or is she going to be free to start again?

She’s clearly incredibly stupid but that’s no excuse. She should be put on trial / processed, call it what you want and be given a tough prison sentence as a deterrent for anyone else stupid enough to consider it.
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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by atlantalad » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:11 am

atlantalad wrote:Signed just over 6 hour ago at 19,500 signatures. Amazing watching the numbers spin up. Let's hope it reaches we'll over 1 million to give this Govt a resounding NO WAY!
Petition just hit 500000 - shows public sentiment. Far more signatures than brexit petitions or any other for that matter.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by TVC15 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:26 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Javid can only do this because she has Bangladeshi parents.

he couldn't do it to me, whatever I did.

This creates two classes of Brits.

Thats a route we shouldn't be going down.
Even more worrying is that he would not be doing it if her parents were from a European country or the US. So that’s 3 classes of Brits.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Caballo » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:27 am

That's only partly true atlanta, in terms of yougov petitions you're correct but the change.org petition for a 2nd referendum got about 1.2 million signatures.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Spijed » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:34 am

Blackrod wrote:The family’s legal representative ( a joke imo) has likened her to a 1st World War soldier....
Why is it a joke to have legal representation?

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:38 am

Bordeauxclaret wrote:I’ve no doubt she’s guilty.

The more I think about this Javid decision the more uncomfortable I am with it.
We are effectively washing our hands of her saying she’s not our problem.
Is that not just kicking the can further down the road? If she goes to Bangladesh are they going to punish her or is she going to be free to start again?

She’s clearly incredibly stupid but that’s no excuse. She should be put on trial / processed, call it what you want and be given a tough prison sentence as a deterrent for anyone else stupid enough to consider it.
She wouldn't get a tough prison sentence, the last one got 6 years and out in 2

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:42 am

TVC15 wrote:Even more worrying is that he would not be doing it if her parents were from a European country or the US. So that’s 3 classes of Brits.
I'll need to check but have we had an Islamic state member with dual British and either European/US nationality that's been caught/wants to come back here, or is here and we can eject from the country?

If not then your opinion is a bit odd.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:44 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:She wouldn't get a tough prison sentence, the last one got 6 years and out in 2
That’s what needs looking at then.

Stealing a bottle of water didn’t get a tough punishment until people did it in the riots a few years back.
Suddenly they wanted to make an example of people to try and ensure more people didn’t try it.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Lord Beamish » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:46 am

I want to know what Bangladesh has ever done to deserve this piece of excrement being foisted upon it?

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:48 am

Nothing

Sajid Javid wants to appeal to the hard right, regardless of the consequences.

Sadly that is UK politicians at the moment. Incapable of seeing past short term stuff and then denying any involvement when it turns into long term problems.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Jakubclaret » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:11 am

Bordeauxclaret wrote:I’ve no doubt she’s guilty.

The more I think about this Javid decision the more uncomfortable I am with it.
We are effectively washing our hands of her saying she’s not our problem.
Is that not just kicking the can further down the road? If she goes to Bangladesh are they going to punish her or is she going to be free to start again?

She’s clearly incredibly stupid but that’s no excuse. She should be put on trial / processed, call it what you want and be given a tough prison sentence as a deterrent for anyone else stupid enough to consider it.
Complete waste of resources, the public would go bonkers. We are washing our hands but some could say shes washed them for us, it's a common sense decision based on closure.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Lancasterclaret » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:13 am

This explains the likely consequences of this far better than I can.


https://twitter.com/mpc_1968/status/1098009898116415489" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:34 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Nothing

Sajid Javid wants to appeal to the hard right, regardless of the consequences.

Sadly that is UK politicians at the moment. Incapable of seeing past short term stuff and then denying any involvement when it turns into long term problems.
I'm going to throw this out there, he's probably appealing to people on the left and the right.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by TVC15 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:36 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:I'll need to check but have we had an Islamic state member with dual British and either European/US nationality that's been caught/wants to come back here, or is here and we can eject from the country?

If not then your opinion is a bit odd.
Not odd at all.
Based on a feature / interview I saw on Newsnight last night which until hearing I had never considered.
Basic premise was that the Home Secretary would not have done what he did if the parents had been from a Western country because that kind of throws the issue into the lap of that country whereas under this scenario the problem is now with Bangladesh so much less of a potential diplomatic issue.
The person on Newsnight was a Muslim lecturer at Cambridge I think - he described what Javid has done as racism but he also made a point of saying he did not think she should be allowed back in the UK.
As an aside the newly born baby could now have Dutch citizenship. The Dutch legal system is quite different to ours in terms of parental stuff.

It’s an extremely complex scenario that is developing and a lawyers dream gig - very likely we will see an appeal.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:39 am

TVC15 wrote:Not odd at all.
Based on a feature / interview I saw on Newsnight last night which until hearing I had never considered.
Basic premise was that the Home Secretary would not have done what he did if the parents had been from a Western country because that kind of throws the issue into the lap of that country whereas under this scenario the problem is now with Bangladesh so much less of a potential diplomatic issue.
The person on Newsnight was a Muslim lecturer at Cambridge I think - he described what Javid has done as racism but he also made a point of saying he did not think she should be allowed back in the UK.
As an aside the newly born baby could now have Dutch citizenship. The Dutch legal system is quite different to ours in terms of parental stuff.

It’s an extremely complex scenario that is developing and a lawyers dream gig - very likely we will see an appeal.
Ah so it's all opinions/conjecture.

Until we get one that it can be done too we will never know.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Imploding Turtle » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:44 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:This explains the likely consequences of this far better than I can.


https://twitter.com/mpc_1968/status/1098009898116415489" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What an insufferable ****. How many times does she interrupt him versus he interrupt her? It grinds my geats when one person doesn't let the other make their point.

Also, she's bang on. Under this logic we don't have the automatic right to deport someone back to their home country if they strip citizenship. Isn't that funny? I think it's hilarious to know that the people wanting to keep terrorists out are in favour of an action that will force us to keep terrorists in.

They're playing themselves, yet again. :lol:

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