O/T I want to come home

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:27 pm

BBC reporting that unconfirmed reports are that her baby boy has died, if true RIP.

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AndyClaret · Post by **AndyClaret** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:27 pm

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 5:49 pm

Is this all a big hoax? It seemed she was on a wind up before, it’s all getting a bit unbelievable now.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 6:57 pm

Sad for baby if true. Not an environment to bring up a child, raise it or get pregnant in or have underage sex in. May be a harsh lesson for others tempted into similar conflicts in the future.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:11 am

Right_winger wrote:Why? She’s a terrorist and has left willingly to join a terrorist organisation. She’s also just given birth to another potential terrorist, the other 2 have died.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:19 am

Difficult to know what to make of it it’s the 3rd, RIP for the baby.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:53 am

And now it's Javid's fault. The couple are blameless for procreating in a situation where it seems childhood mortality is as bad as in the UK at the turn of the 20th century. Even if mum had kept her UK citizenship in all probability she would still be in the Camp as she needed to get access to UK Consulate to get the necessary documents to get home as she has no UK passport.
BUT sad for her son who was blameless in this torrid affair

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:24 am

Diane Abbot is a disgrace. Using a baby’s death for political leverage. The baby died because of the mother’s recklessness and willingness to join a barbaric group that liked to behead people.

ClaretShaun · Post by **ClaretShaun** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:27 am

Blackrod wrote:Diane Abbot is a disgrace. Using a baby’s death for political leverage. The baby died because of the mother’s recklessness and willingness to join a barbaric group that liked to behead people.

See her massive, nasty overreaction to the mentions of her on the the Vine show on R2 a couple of days ago too?

Scumbag of a human being

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:29 am

Blackrod wrote:Diane Abbot is a disgrace. Using a baby’s death for political leverage. The baby died because of the mother’s recklessness and willingness to join a barbaric group that liked to behead people.

Agree to a certain degree, i know if i was unfortunate enough to lose 2 children i wouldn't be having a 3rd, nothing seems to add up.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:44 am

Jakubclaret wrote:Agree to a certain degree, i know if i was unfortunate enough to lose 2 children i wouldn't be having a 3rd, nothing seems to add up.

Presumably you’re not a Muslim?

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:50 am

Rileybobs wrote:Presumably you’re not a Muslim?

Any reason I could be?

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:24 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:Any reason I could be?

Well you said that if you’d already had 2 kids die you wouldn’t have a third. I’d be surprised if she had little say in the matter and as a devout Muslim she wouldn’t have been able to abort.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:50 pm

It's amazing the the people who just love to talk about how oppressed women are in Islamic countries now seem to be criticising a woman in an Islamic caliphate for choosing to have a 3rd child, as if she had any choice in either conceiving it or carrying it. It's almost as if they don't really give a **** about women's rights and just use it as a weapon to smack Muslims with.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:58 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Well you said that if you’d already had 2 kids die you wouldn’t have a third. I’d be surprised if she had little say in the matter and as a devout Muslim she wouldn’t have been able to abort.

She's always had choices & the worst choice she made is when she boarded the flight to syria, all this misery was so preventable.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:11 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Well you said that if you’d already had 2 kids die you wouldn’t have a third. I’d be surprised if she had little say in the matter and as a devout Muslim she wouldn’t have been able to abort.

Abortion is a 100% ineffective way of preventing the death of a child. And I don't think devout Muslims go for contraception, either.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:19 pm

dsr wrote:Abortion is a 100% ineffective way of preventing the death of a child.

In your religiously informed, 0% scientifically-supported opinion.

Holmeclaret · Post by **Holmeclaret** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:27 pm

dsr wrote:Abortion is a 100% ineffective way of preventing the death of a child. And I don't think devout Muslims go for contraception, either.

Abortion is allowed in some schools of thought as a form of contraception up to 40 days. In others abortion is permissible up to 120 days for victims of sexual violence. Contraception by all other methods is allowed.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:28 pm

So she had a choice.
Stay in a modern society or leave to go to a Third World War torn country with little or no medical support.

She had two children that died, she had a third, it died. Unfortunately that happens in third world countries.

Her choice, no sympathy from me.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:33 pm

Contraception is not forbidden in most Islamic writings including the Qur'an (having just Googled)

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:34 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:So she had a choice.
Stay in a modern society or leave to go to a Third World War torn country with little or no medical support.

She had two children that died, she had a third, it died. Unfortunately that happens in third world countries.

Her choice, no sympathy from me.

Gonna have to do better than that i'm afraid. Some other posters have been way more hardline than this. Your opinion is so much not hardline that it's basically the consensus opinion.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:37 pm

mdd2 wrote:Contraception is not forbidden in most Islamic writings including the Qur'an (having just Googled)

You're talking to people who aren't interested in the Koran beyond what is literally says and how they can use a literal interpretation to bash the religion, not knowing that the likes of ISIS are the only other kind of people who take a literal interpretation. It's like they're kindred spirits, the Muslim-haters and ISIS. Like Montagues and Capulets. They hate each other because they're so alike.

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:00 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Gonna have to do better than that i'm afraid. Some other posters have been way more hardline than this. Your opinion is so much not hardline that it's basically the consensus opinion.

I cannot say what I want cause if some snowflake sent it to work, they would probably sack me.

Free speech, not in the uk.

As hippo critical as that would be being we play a major part in building the warplanes that are bombing them.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:11 pm

Lowbankclaret wrote:I cannot say what I want cause if some snowflake sent it to work, they would probably sack me.

Free speech, not in the uk.

As hippo critical as that would be being we play a major part in building the warplanes that are bombing them.

What you got against hippos?

Lowbankclaret · Post by **Lowbankclaret** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:47 pm

I own two!!

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:45 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:In your religiously informed, 0% scientifically-supported opinion.

You seriously believe that there is no scientist in the world that believes a human foetus is a human being? I know that you worship the Great God Science and believe that it can never be wrong, but I didn't realise that you defined Science as being "whatever agrees with Turtle".

I dare say there are scientists who believe an unborn baby isn't human; I dare say there are those who believe it isn't alive. But basically, most abortionists - all of whom you presumably disagree with - believe that abortion (aka termination) ends the life of a human being that does not have the right to life.

Anyway, the point was that she has been pregnant three times and got no live babies. If she had aborted one of them, that position would not be different. And if she was one of these apparently irrational women who show off bumps, ultrasound photos, and call the object in their womb a "baby", then she would still be sad when it dies - even if it was done on purpose.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:48 pm

dsr wrote:You seriously believe that there is no scientist in the world that believes a human foetus is a human being?

Why do you do this? Someone says one thing and then you accuse them of saying something else, and then you question them on whatever dumb-as-**** thing you've made up?

Pimlico_Claret · Post by **Pimlico_Claret** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:54 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:It's amazing the the people who just love to talk about how oppressed women are in Islamic countries now seem to be criticising a woman in an Islamic caliphate for choosing to have a 3rd child, as if she had any choice in either conceiving it or carrying it. It's almost as if they don't really give a **** about women's rights and just use it as a weapon to smack Muslims with.

She wasn't frog marched out of England.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:54 pm

Some of these posts are almost like somebody has abducted the person away from the UK against they will & forced syria upon them, it's tragic what's happened but also pinch yourself & a sense of perspective will happen.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:58 pm

Pimlico_Claret wrote:She wasn't frog marched out of England.

Again, arguing against things no one believes.

Pimlico_Claret · Post by **Pimlico_Claret** » Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:22 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Again, arguing against things no one believes.

Explain, you try to be so clever but too often you just spout unintelligible rubbish in a vain attempt to make you feel superior. Well guess what, you aren't.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Sun Mar 10, 2019 3:40 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Why do you do this? Someone says one thing and then you accuse them of saying something else, and then you question them on whatever [deleted] thing you've made up?

Ignoring your foul mouth accompanied your arrogant little attitude that rules don't apply to you, you said that there is 0% scientific support for the idea that abortion does not prevent the death of a child.

This can only mean that you believe that the aborted foetus isn't a child. So if there is 0% scientific support for what I said, then there is 0% scientific support for the idea that abortion kills a child.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:05 am

dsr wrote:Ignoring your foul mouth accompanied your arrogant little attitude that rules don't apply to you, you said that there is 0% scientific support for the idea that abortion does not prevent the death of a child.

This can only mean that you believe that the aborted foetus isn't a child. So if there is 0% scientific support for what I said, then there is 0% scientific support for the idea that abortion kills a child.

Your logic is ****. By your own admission it's a foetus. Abortion prevents the foetus becoming a child.

And i'd rather have a foul mouth than a foul mind.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:07 am

Pimlico_Claret wrote:Explain, you try to be so clever but too often you just spout unintelligible rubbish in a vain attempt to make you feel superior. Well guess what, you aren't.

Well, your point was literally that she wasn't frog marched out of England. No one was arguing that she was. Do i really need to explain further or can I arrogantly believe that I've explained this enough?

Hapag Lloyd · Post by **Hapag Lloyd** » Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:33 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Your logic is ****. By your own admission it's a foetus. Abortion prevents the foetus becoming a child.

And i'd rather have a foul mouth than a foul mind.

You have both.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:49 pm

You and me are going straight to hell!

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:54 pm

Whatever one's views on this, the government comes out looking bad.
"Too dangerous" to bring her home?

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:58 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Whatever one's views on this, the government comes out looking bad.

In your view.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:05 pm

thatdberight wrote:In your view.

Don't we have a duty of care to our citizens abroad?
In my view, we should have brought her back and let our judicial system run its course.

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:07 pm

boatshed bill wrote:Don't we have a duty of care to our citizens abroad?
In my view, we should have brought her back and let our judicial system run its course.

In my view, she should be left to rot.

3putt · Post by **3putt** » Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:12 pm

not fazed by seeing beheaded heads in bins. why would we want someone of her mentality back in the UK?

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:13 pm

Murger wrote:In my view, she should be left to rot.

A view to which you are perfectly entitled.
But does this apply to all Brits abroad who are deemed to have broken UK law, or specific to this case?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:14 pm

She should be allowed home but does that entitle her to a lift from a war zone?

Not sure it does.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:17 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:She should be allowed home but does that entitle her to a lift from a war zone?

Not sure it does.

I actally don't give a **** about her individually, but I think the government is using the war zone thing as a cop-out.
Kate Aidey would have happily strolled around there for a news agency.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:21 pm

Journalists have some sort of protection

I wouldn't think that many people would hold the same rights for a ISIS member to be perfectly honest.

I'm very surprised that more of the ones who've surrendered having been shot out of hand.

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:30 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Journalists have some sort of protection

I wouldn't think that many people would hold the same rights for a ISIS member to be perfectly honest.

I'm very surprised that more of the ones who've surrendered having been shot out of hand.

And another thought:

What if she doesn't rot?
What if she ends up as some kind of role model as an Isis sympathiser? (unlikely though that might be

),
and do we apply this to other assumed UK criminals in countries where their extradition would be seen as too difficult?

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:33 pm

She’s with the Kurdish led forces now & a deal could have been brokered I think, with the massive public opinion against it I don’t think the appetite was there & diplomatic relations with Assad I wouldn’t call great.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:37 pm

boatshed bill wrote:I actally don't give a **** about her individually, but I think the government is using the war zone thing as a cop-out.
Kate Aidey would have happily strolled around there for a news agency.

IT's funny how you and I share the same opinion about her yet we are both reacted to entirely differently.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:45 pm

Poor old Turtle is feeling oppressed and unloved. I wonder why?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:02 pm

Vino blanco wrote:Poor old Turtle is feeling oppressed and unloved. I wonder why?

I said it was funny. Like, "haha". When i find something funny i tend not to have negative feelings. Do you?