O/T I want to come home

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:04 pm

Stayingup wrote:Why do you try to converse with this plonker? Your wasting your time hes not in touch with real world I wish he/she had writers cramp.

I've sacked him off now, can't be arsed trying to have a sane discussion with him, he's clearly off his head.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:09 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:I've sacked him off now, can't be arsed trying to have a sane discussion with him, he's clearly off his head.

Drugs.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:16 pm

Jakubclaret wrote:Drugs.

He needs some different ones.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:20 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:I've sacked him off now, can't be arsed trying to have a sane discussion with him, he's clearly off his head.

That’s a bold statement from a guy who talked to himself via two twitter accounts in a bizarre attempt to trick people into not noticing he’d set up another username on here.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:22 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:He needs some different ones.

I posted initially, a reasonable post which got picked up on, I fought my corner for as long as I could then retreated, then observed you 2 going round in circles for days, I said from the start it’s a can of worms & it’s best forgotten about & nothing has changed that view since.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:34 pm

Bordeauxclaret wrote:That’s a bold statement from a guy who talked to himself via two twitter accounts in a bizarre attempt to trick people into not noticing he’d set up another username on here.

Never had two twitter accounts but thanks for trying

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:42 pm

Stayingup wrote:I mean really why dont you stop being a little naive student and grow up. Its a real world out rhere.

To be honest, Lancaster is starting to come across as a wannabe turtle!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:05 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:What's the point in this chat now?

You're so excitable you can't be reasoned with at all, not even a little bit.

They went to join and lived in an Islamic caliphate that is proven to have executed anyone they felt like, they tortured, raped and murdered at will.
They're guilty of being part of that group and an accessory to those crimes.

You clearly don't see it as being an issue though and you'd rather we let them wander around freely.

You're correct in that we can't lock them all up, I understand that, but neither should they be completely free to wander around when it's very possible that they'll be still harbouring ill will to the UK because of some stupid backwards desert religion.

I have no issue with banning those who we can from this country, something you see to have an issue with because they won't get a trial

All we can hope now is that those who return here and have been desensitized to, and possibly encouraged to partake in, violence, murder and rape are able to reintegrate into society but we shall see how that works out for us.

But hey, so long as you're happy then that's all that really matters in this world, clearly.

I'm bored of watching you prattle on now, you're more interested in defending fundamentalists and their right to wander around this country freely and you won't have your mind changed about it.

Enjoy beating yourself into a frenzy about it.

Oh my ******* god.

Once again, i ask you some extremely simple questions about YOUR opinion and you can't answer them. What the **** is wrong with you that makes it so difficult for you to express an opinion and then answer questions about that opinion?
Jesus ******* Christ.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:07 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Oh come on IT. Sooner you are banned again the better. Such a sad individual. Bet you jerk off to pics of Diane Abbott

All i did was ask questions. He corrected me on something, i accepted his correction and then asked him to elaborate on his point.

Why the **** is that controversial? What is it about asking someone to elaborate on their points that makes you think the best way to reply is to post something like this?
What the **** is wrong with you people?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:32 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Oh come on IT. Sooner you are banned again the better. Such a sad individual. Bet you jerk off to pics of Diane Abbott

And what is wrong with jerking off to pics of Dianne Abbott...?

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:34 pm

tim_noone wrote:And what is wrong with jerking off to pics of Dianne Abbott...?

Dunno you'd better ask Jezza.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:35 pm

I mean really why dont you stop being a little naive student and grow up. Its a real world out rhere.

I'm 46 years of age!

The difference between me and you is that I live in the real world, and you live in some weird place where you can pick and choose when to enforce laws.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:36 pm

To be honest, Lancaster is starting to come across as a wannabe turtle!

Nope

Just know the difference between right and wrong and what civilized countries should do and shouldn't.

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:42 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Nope

civilized

American spelling,

You sure you're not a wannabe Turtle?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:52 pm

I blame spell check

My spelling is absolutely appalling these days, so I'd be lost without it

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:16 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Interesting. You joke about me killing myself in a suicide bombing yet get terribly offended when i make dark jokes too. Hypocrite much?

Wrong. You’re getting good at being wrong

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:48 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Never had two twitter accounts but thanks for trying

Ha.

pureclaret · Post by **pureclaret** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:15 am

Breaking news 2 more to defect to independent party lets hope its IT and LC then we can get some additional speculation on all subjects not football related.

On another note was surprised that no body especially the 2 break away group did not help me in the citizen ship of the son, I have looked at several places for reference and my own understanding. It used to be that babys born in another country took the same as the parents usually the father but I think the law changed that it was the mother unless the father had a better country. But I think children born in a Muslim country still take the fathers citizen ship.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:22 am

pureclaret wrote:Breaking news 2 more to defect to independent party lets hope its IT and LC then we can get some additional speculation on all subjects not football related.

On another note was surprised that no body especially the 2 break away group did not help me in the citizen ship of the son, I have looked at several places for reference and my own understanding. It used to be that babys born in another country took the same as the parents usually the father but I think the law changed that it was the mother unless the father had a better country. But I think children born in a Muslim country still take the fathers citizen ship.

Are you or his mother a British citizen by descent? Or were one of you born or naturalised here? If it's the former then i don't think he has an automatic right to British citizenship. But i didn't read too much into it, and i won't, because i don't care enough to help you. But there's a link i posted earlier in this thread that could help you out. You can find it yourself.

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:32 am

Back on topic. The child has never set foot in Britain. The father is Dutch and the child would take the domicile of the father. The British citizenship would have to be applied for in respect of the child. What if the Dutch and British don’t grant citizenship ? I don’t claim to be an expert on this and I am just asking the question.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:32 am

She’s been spotted...

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:38 am

Lord Beamish wrote:She’s been spotted...

It'd be worth fetching her back for an investigation, if only for the police line up. Is this the women you saw chucking heads in bins? With a dozen lasses head to toe in black.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:40 am

Blackrod wrote:Back on topic. The child has never set foot in Britain. The father is Dutch and the child would take the domicile of the father. The British citizenship would have to be applied for in respect of the child. What if the Dutch and British don’t grant citizenship ? I don’t claim to be an expert on this and I am just asking the question.

For what reason would the British government refuse to grant citizenship to the kid?

Sproggy · Post by **Sproggy** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 9:46 am

Today she says she's "shocked" by the withdrawal of her citizenship. Which is interesting because earlier this week she "wasn't fazed" at seeing severed heads lying around in dustbins. She's not had a change of mind. If ISIS were still rampaging through the middle east, she'd be quite happy with her role as a baby maker. The issue she has is that they're not.

Rumbletonk · Post by **Rumbletonk** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:03 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:For what reason would the British government refuse to grant citizenship to the kid?

The child would grow up in a family with a history of radicalisation knowing their mother had her citizenship revoked by the British government. They probably wouldn't grow up to be a terrorist but why take the risk

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:05 am

Rumbletonk wrote:The child would grow up in a family with a history of radicalisation knowing their mother had her citizenship revoked by the British government. They probably wouldn't grow up to be a terrorist but why take the risk

So we're back to punishing children for the sins of their parents.

Dike Muff · Post by **Dike Muff** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:10 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:So we're back to punishing children for the sins of their parents.

Is growing up in Bangladesh such a punishment? As far as I can see it, we’re not taking away something the child has known, are we? It’s not like it’s grown up in Britain and then been deported. Surely Bangladesh has to be a better option than war-torn Syria. I think it’s more important that mother and baby are kept together.

Rumbletonk · Post by **Rumbletonk** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:11 am

Do you think it is a risk worth taking and if so why?

Rumbletonk · Post by **Rumbletonk** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:13 am

That was to IT

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:19 am

Dike Muff wrote:Is growing up in Bangladesh such a punishment? As far as I can see it, we’re not taking away something the child has known, are we? It’s not like it’s grown up in Britain and then been deported. Surely Bangladesh has to be a better option than war-torn Syria. I think it’s more important that mother and baby are kept together.

So you think it's better that mother and baby are kept together.
But you also want to ban the mother, a British citizen, from Britain without a trial because her beliefs are too dangerous for our society.

I think I've found a gaping chasm in your logic.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:21 am

Rumbletonk wrote:Do you think it is a risk worth taking and if so why?

Yes. I do. And i refer you to countless previous posts as to why, but in summary: because freedom.

Rumbletonk · Post by **Rumbletonk** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:34 am

Well you bask in your holier than thou foolishness. Hopefully those making the decision will have more common sense and put your safety first.

Dike Muff · Post by **Dike Muff** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:35 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:So you think it's better that mother and baby are kept together.
But you also want to ban the mother, a British citizen, from Britain without a trial because her beliefs are too dangerous for our society.

I think I've found a gaping chasm in your logic.

Where did I say I wanted that? I just pointed out that, if it happened, it would not be the end of the World. I never said I wanted that. In fact, the only thing I strongly hinted at was my desire for the mother and child not to be separated.

I personally feel that this Girl and her child are our responsibility, like it or not(and I certainly don’t like it).

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:40 am

Dike Muff wrote:Where did I say I wanted that? I just pointed out that, if it happened, it would not be the end of the World. I never said I wanted that. In fact, the only thing I strongly hinted at was my desire for the mother and child not to be separated.

I personally feel that this Girl and her child are our responsibility, like it or not(and I certainly don’t like it).

I'm making an assumption that you want her to be refused entry to the UK. Feel free to correct me.

Dike Muff · Post by **Dike Muff** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:43 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:I'm making an assumption that you want her to be refused entry to the UK. Feel free to correct me.

Then maybe I’ve found a gaping hole in your reasoning?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:43 am

Dike Muff wrote:Then maybe I’ve found a gaping hole in your reasoning?

Are you going to correct me, or was my assumption accurate?

Do you want her to be refused entry to the UK?

Rumbletonk · Post by **Rumbletonk** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:46 am

He already told you he feels the girl and child are our responsibility. You're choosing to be argumentative and condescending which is pretty much what you do. Grow up

Dike Muff · Post by **Dike Muff** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 10:46 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Are you going to correct me, or was my assumption accurate?

Do you want her to be refused entry to the UK?

Can you not read? I’ve said above that I believe that she and her child are our responsibility, even though I don’t like it.

F. Scott Fitzgerald said that the true test of a first class mind was the ability to hold two opposing views and yet still function. That’s what I’m doing.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:07 am

So Trump wants European countries to accept their citizens returning from Syria,but he won't do likewise with American citizens.

What a hypocrite https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47313657

JohnMcGreal · Post by **JohnMcGreal** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:13 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Standard for all politicians then across the spectrum

That’s true, but I think this goes a lot further than the usual political opportunism. Everything about this, from the timing to the way it’s playing out in Westminster absolutely reeks of a government that’s about to call a general election.

A general election in which the Conservative party will portray themselves as the party that’s ‘tough on terrorism’ (because they’re prepared to strip people of their citizenship even if it means going against International law), and where Labour will be accused of being weak on terrorism (because they prefer International law to be upheld and the individual to be tried properly in the British justice system).

The print media will have a field day with it, people will go to the polls full of emotion (that worked out well last time) and the conservative party will probably just scrape a majority government together, despite all the damage they’ve done to this country in the last decade.

We’ll see how it pans out, but I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see a general election called in the very near future.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:14 pm

Got a Conservative Party leaflet through my door this morning.

Maybe its a sign that the election is coming?

Can see the Tories winning it to be honest, though it would depend on people not voting tactically.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:40 pm

The country hasn't got the stomach for another GE right now, you're just being desperate.

There is no credible opposition to the Tories or Labour and Tories would probably shade another win.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 5:46 pm

The country hasn't got the stomach for a lot of things it used to value. Fought a couple of pretty brutal world wars to keep them, twice upon a time.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:25 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:The country hasn't got the stomach for a lot of things it used to value. Fought a couple of pretty brutal world wars to keep them, twice upon a time.

How true. But neither of those wars were fought in the basis that those (few) British people who fought for Germany, should be allowed to return to the UK. So that's not one of the things that's changed.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Thu Feb 21, 2019 11:30 pm

dsr wrote:How true. But neither of those wars were fought in the basis that those (few) British people who fought for Germany, should be allowed to return to the UK. So that's not one of the things that's changed.

You reckon the right to a fair trial was high up on the list of things the Nazis would have kept here had they won the war, do you? Or was that just not one of the things we were defending when we defended our freedoms back then?

HiroshimaClaret · Post by **HiroshimaClaret** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:03 am

bob-the-scutter wrote:I hope your teacher made you clean it up!

Naughty!

Rumbletonk · Post by **Rumbletonk** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 4:09 am

[quote="Imploding Turtle"]The country hasn't got the stomach for a lot of things it used to value. Fought a couple of pretty brutal world wars to keep them, twice upon a time

This country has the stomach to allow you to voice your opinions, rightly or wrongly. I doubt they gave their lives to protect those who hate our very way of life

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:14 am

They did actually.

Because they died protecting democracies, with all the pros and the cons that entails. I just wish more of you realised that for a democratic society to survive, you can't just pick and choose when to be a democratic society.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:57 am

Rumbletonk wrote:

Are you talking about ISIS, or are you talking about the people who hate our way of life and want to sacrifice it because of ISIS?

dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Fri Mar 08, 2019 3:25 pm

Just heard her baby has died.
Sad news for the child.

Possibly resolves the return to UK matter