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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by ngsobob » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:51 pm

Lancaster and friends, what do you have to do that means you can't wait thirty seconds in a queue behind an older person or, shock, a female? Life that busy? Mind, thirty seconds might count in the toilets at the Turf so I tend to stand behind a youngie.
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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Rileybobs » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:54 pm

ngsobob wrote:Lancaster and friends, what do you have to do that means you can't wait thirty seconds in a queue behind an older person or, shock, a female? Life that busy? Mind, thirty seconds might count in the toilets at the Turf so I tend to stand behind a youngie.
I think houseboy was claiming that he never stands behind muslims in supermarket queues. I didn't quite understand his reasoning for it to be honest.
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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:57 pm

It was a pisstake on houseboys stance to be fair.

I'm a very calm person in supermarkets. Especially now they have self check out scanners.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by houseboy » Fri Feb 15, 2019 1:59 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:So lets make a sliding scale of punishments for her based on the public vote

- 1,000,000 - hung, drawn and quartered (inc unborn baby)
- 750,000 - beaten to death and then hung upside down from a lampost
- 500,000 - shot through both legs and dumped to die in the desert
- 250,000 - decapitated because she needs to know how ISIS victims feel

I don't want her back, have no interest if she lives or dies but I'm a bit uneasy about a lot of the sentiment shown on here.
I think you may underestimate the level of hurt people feel at what ISIS did, not only in the Arab states but to innocent Westerners, including Brits. I know what you mean and it does seem a bit of a vigilante stance from many but there is only so much people can tolerate before the hatred creeps in. I have no problem at all with Muslims and count many as friends and they hate the fundimentalist killers as much as us, many of them more so as they are getting tarred with the same brush, but I despise anyone (and I mean anyone) who will kill or cause harm in the name of any god. I can think of nothing more pointless than fighting over religion and people who will kill for their religion may as well fight over the tooth fairy or father christmas. I think it was in Gullivers Travels where people fought for the big enders or little enders, depending on which end you thought you should eat a boiled egg. That is my view of religious violence.
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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:00 pm

Its 100% a vigilante stance HB. Thats why I have a problem with it.

And please remember that ideally she won't come back here. But she probably will, and thats where we have to be slightly realistic about that.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Rileybobs » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:02 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:It was a pisstake on houseboys stance to be fair.

I'm a very calm person in supermarkets. Especially now they have self check out scanners.
One word - Ocado.

Why waste an hour of your week in the supermarket when you can do your shopping on your 12 minute Friday morning commute!!
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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:04 pm

Honestly?

Got the cheapest diesel prices in Lancaster.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by houseboy » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:09 pm

Rileybobs wrote:I think houseboy was claiming that he never stands behind muslims in supermarket queues. I didn't quite understand his reasoning for it to be honest.
I'll explain - it's simple really - they do often (but not in every case) tend to take a great deal of time to check out. Simples.
I hate supermarket checkouts.
Ergo: I tend to avoid anything that keeps me standing in one for longer than I have to.

For what it's worth I also hate it when people go through self-service checkouts then ask a member of staff to put stuff through for them (thus not actually self-checking) whilst said staff member is needed to authorise my booze but is otherwise engaged.

You may have gathered by now that I have problems with patience. I hate queues.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Spijed » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:11 pm

houseboy wrote:I think you may underestimate the level of hurt people feel at what ISIS did, not only in the Arab states but to innocent Westerners, including Brits. I know what you mean and it does seem a bit of a vigilante stance from many but there is only so much people can tolerate before the hatred creeps in. I have no problem at all with Muslims and count many as friends and they hate the fundimentalist killers as much as us, many of them more so as they are getting tarred with the same brush, but I despise anyone (and I mean anyone) who will kill or cause harm in the name of any god. I can think of nothing more pointless than fighting over religion and people who will kill for their religion may as well fight over the tooth fairy or father christmas. I think it was in Gullivers Travels where people fought for the big enders or little enders, depending on which end you thought you should eat a boiled egg. That is my view of religious violence.
Would you have a problem with what ISIS are involved with if it didn't affect Britain?

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by houseboy » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:13 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:Its 100% a vigilante stance HB. Thats why I have a problem with it.

And please remember that ideally she won't come back here. But she probably will, and thats where we have to be slightly realistic about that.
I agree with all of this mate but why does it trouble you. As you say nothing we say on here is going to make a blind bit of difference.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:15 pm

This is true!

But why comment then if its not going to make a blind bit of difference?

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Woodleyclaret » Fri Feb 15, 2019 2:16 pm

Arrange for her folks to move permanently to Syria so she can have the family she craves.The flights cost will be more than ofset by the benefits she would have got here

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Hipper » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:35 pm

Surely we ought to wait until the appropriate authorities have investigated this case before making any decision? We don't even know if she has done anything illegal yet.

Reminds of a fellow I know who proudly told me that, after ISIS had killed a British journalist, he went down our local Tesco's and had a go at a very pleasant muslim girl who worked on the counters there, as if she had actually done the deed.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Bordeauxclaret » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:40 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:It was a pisstake on houseboys stance to be fair.

I'm a very calm person in supermarkets. Especially now they have self check out scanners.
What about people who go to the self scanners with a full trolley load?

I’d send them to that refugee camp if im honest.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by SmudgetheClaret » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:07 pm

"I saw a severed head in a bin it didn't faze me" you can just picture the lefties at the airport with the placards head choppers welcomed here ..........well not on my street thanks.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:14 pm

They have got these hand held scanners now which you walk around and scan as you shop. It's revolutionised the LC family shop.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by FactualFrank » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:15 pm

200,000 signatures reached. Roughly 10,000 being added per hour.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by tim_noone » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:44 pm

FactualFrank wrote:200,000 signatures reached. Roughly 10,000 being added per hour.
I just knew she'd be popular..

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:04 pm

FactualFrank wrote:Let's be fair we are a very soft country. We'll let her back in.
We are too soft but this is one step beyond. It would be plain stupid to let her back in!

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:14 pm

It's amazing, isn't it? We shouldn't give 16 year olds the right to vote because we don't think they're responcible enough for such important decisions. But here's an idiot who made a decision at 15 years old and many of those same people think that she should be held so responsible for it that she is irredeemable, and that her child should also pay for it.

We're a spiteful population, packed with hypocrites who hate the principles that this country pretends to fight for.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by FactualFrank » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:21 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:It's amazing, isn't it? We shouldn't give 16 year olds the right to vote because we don't think they're responcible enough for such important decisions. But here's an idiot who made a decision at 15 years old and many of those same people think that she should be held so responsible for it that she is irredeemable, and that her child should also pay for it.

We're a spiteful population, packed with hypocrites who hate the principles that this country pretends to fight for.
How about a 19 year old who has no regrets about what she did when she was 15?

Had she come out and said it was a mistake, she was only 15 and wished she'd never done it, you may have had a point.
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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Right_winger » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:43 pm

Let her rot in an ISIS camp after all that’s the life she want. Failing that a bullet through her skull if she dares to step foot on UK soil again.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Blackrod » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:52 pm

Interestingly other European Countries are quite soft on returning fighters. France is about to repatriate a load more even after all the terrorist acts that have occurred there. Germany had the second largest number that went to ‘fight’ and I wonder how many of these were let in under its open arms policy. In Denmark though you get access to housing, employment, mentoring, education and medical care in addition to housing even after beheafing people.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:55 pm

FactualFrank wrote:How about a 19 year old who has no regrets about what she did when she was 15?

Had she come out and said it was a mistake, she was only 15 and wished she'd never done it, you may have had a point.
So what? In this country we put people on trial and sentence them before we punish them. Denying a citizen of this country entry to this country, without putting them on trial, without convicting them and without sentencing them, is an even more anti-western attitude than anything this dumb **** has expressed. In fact it's more akin to what we claim to oppose.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:55 pm

Does anyone on here understand the term "deradicalisation", and how it is achieved?

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:55 pm

Right_winger wrote:Let her rot in an ISIS camp after all that’s the life she want. Failing that a bullet through her skull if she dares to step foot on UK soil again.

/r/iamverybadass

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:59 pm

You just knew where her support would come from

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:01 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:You just knew where her support would come from

Who supports her? I don't think I've read anyone here supporting her. Please quote someone expressing their support for her and i'll either accept i'm wrong, or - and this is infinitely more likely - i'll explain to you in as condescending a way as possible why you're wrong.
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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Blackrod » Sat Feb 16, 2019 10:11 am

Plenty of sob stories from the family in the papers this morning. The Dad pleading for mercy from the British Government that he hated/ hates so much. Should be ashmamed and we should let the Syrians know where the daughter with no remorse is so they can deal with her.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:16 am

Blackrod wrote:Plenty of sob stories from the family in the papers this morning. The Dad pleading for mercy from the British Government that he hated/ hates so much. Should be ashmamed and we should let the Syrians know where the daughter with no remorse is so they can deal with her.

I wasn't aware that her father hated this country also. What's he said or done that demonstrates that hatred?

Please tell me there's actually something he's said/done and you're not just assuming he hates us because he's a Muslim.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by PaintYorkClaretnBlue » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:25 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:It's amazing, isn't it? We shouldn't give 16 year olds the right to vote because we don't think they're responcible enough for such important decisions. But here's an idiot who made a decision at 15 years old and many of those same people think that she should be held so responsible for it that she is irredeemable, and that her child should also pay for it.

We're a spiteful population, packed with hypocrites who hate the principles that this country pretends to fight for.
Oh God, he’s back!! :D

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:27 am

Her father thinks she was groomed for this, according to the wikipedia page for her. So i'm kinda wondering where all the anti-groomer mob are. Oh, that's right, they're wanting to put a bullet in her head.

I guess she's the wrong colour to be a proper victim of grooming.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:28 am

PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote:Oh God, he’s back!! :D

Yep. I'm back to destroy this country by holding it to the principles it pretends to hold. At least that's according to the Moffitt types.

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Post by PaintYorkClaretnBlue » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:32 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Yep. I'm back to destroy this country by holding it to the principles it pretends to hold. At least that's according to the Moffitt types.
I’m not sure that you, alone, can hold the country to the principles it pretends to hold but good luck in your quest.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:33 am

PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote:I’m not sure that you, alone, can hold the country to the principles it pretends to hold but good luck in your quest.
I agree, but apparently i'm a terrorist sympathiser for trying.

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Post by Hapag Lloyd » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:49 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:Yep. I'm back to destroy this country by holding it to the principles it pretends to hold. At least that's according to the Moffitt types.
I’m not sure you’ll be able to destroy this country but you certainly destroy this message board.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:57 am

Hapag Lloyd wrote:I’m not sure you’ll be able to destroy this country but you certainly destroy this message board.
:lol:

Keep reporting me then. Get me banned and turn this website into your own little safe space of anti-intellectualism.

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Post by Hapag Lloyd » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:13 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote::lol:

Keep reporting me then. Get me banned and turn this website into your own little safe space of anti-intellectualism.
Never reported anyone, unlike yourself who managed to get a site closed down on footymad because the majority of the posters on there held different views to you.

No one likes a grass.

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Post by dermotdermot » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:16 pm

PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote:Oh God, he’s back!! :D
Oh, no!

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:19 pm

Hapag Lloyd wrote:Never reported anyone, unlike yourself who managed to get a site closed down on footymad because the majority of the posters on there held different views to you.

No one likes a grass.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: you live in your own little world down there, in the gutter. Don't you?

btw, i never used to report anyone either, but recently i've decided to report absolutely every bit of personal abuse i see since i keep getting reported for telling people to, for example "go **** yourself".

If you were telling the truth about not liking a grass then you'd absolutely hate the right-wing reactionaries that infest this forum.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by FactualFrank » Sat Feb 16, 2019 12:58 pm

FactualFrank wrote:200,000 signatures reached. Roughly 10,000 being added per hour.
Now 300,000. It's slowing down a bit now, but 400,000 by Monday is doable.

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Post by Billy Balfour » Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:03 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:If you were telling the truth about not liking a grass then you'd absolutely hate the right-wing reactionaries that infest this forum.
Believe it or not, you do the 'causes' you champion on here absolutely no favours whatsoever. In fact, you turn people off. You are basically doing your 'right-wing reactionary' mates a favour, but this doesn't matter because it's all about YOU, isn't it.

As for reporting every misdemeanour you encounter on here; well, I hope people stop replying to you, as I will too after this post. Someone basically coming out with 'I report everything', when they themselves set out to court controversy, should be treated like a pariah, regardless of whether they are far-right, far-left or whatever.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:17 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:Believe it or not, you do the 'causes' you champion on here absolutely no favours whatsoever. In fact, you turn people off. You are basically doing your 'right-wing reactionary' mates a favour, but this doesn't matter because it's all about YOU, isn't it.

As for reporting every misdemeanour you encounter on here; well, I hope people stop replying to you, as I will too after this post. Someone basically coming out with 'I report everything', when they themselves set out to court controversy, should be treated like a pariah, regardless of whether they are far-right, far-left or whatever.
I never said i report everything. To think that's what I said would suggest a very low ability to understand the meaning of words. I'm saying i'll report every instance of personal abuse i see. If i'm going to get banned for telling someone to go **** themselves after they've posted bullshit about me then i think it's only fair that the rest of you are held to the standards that you apparently hold me. Oh, i see what bothers you now. You like the double standard, don't you?

By all means stop replying to me if you feel like you can't avoid posting personal abuse.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by taio » Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:20 pm

I guess people would be a little more understanding if now - as an adult - she showed some regret. I'm not aware she has so it's hardly surprising people don't want her to return.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:25 pm

taio wrote:I guess people would be a little more understanding if now - as an adult - she showed some regret. I'm not aware she has so it's hardly surprising people don't want her to return.
I don't think many people feel sorry for her for that reason. I certainly don't. I just don't want to live in a country that turns its back on its own people just because they're not nice people. To do that would be to hold the attitude of a fundamentalist. Are we fundamentalists now?

I can't wait until i hear one of these people claim that we're a Christian country and should stay as a Christian country. I'm going to enjoy rubbing it in their faces how unforgiving they are, which is very unchristian-like.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Buxtonclaret » Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:37 pm

Turtle!
Look, before you get binned again, can't you update the goals thread?

Plus those short clips you showed how to do, I've forgotten how.

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Post by Firthy » Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:42 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I don't think many people feel sorry for her for that reason. I certainly don't. I just don't want to live in a country that turns its back on its own people just because they're not nice people. To do that would be to hold the attitude of a fundamentalist. Are we fundamentalists now?

I can't wait until i hear one of these people claim that we're a Christian country and should stay as a Christian country. I'm going to enjoy rubbing it in their faces how unforgiving they are, which is very unchristian-like.
Seriously, turning their back on her if they don't let her come home for free healthcare because she's pregnant. She isn't fazed by a bucket full of heads and shows no regret or remorse for her actions and this country. This isn't about religion because there are many peacefful muslims living here alongside christians. She turned her back on her country when she made her choice to go. Let her live with her decision and who's to say she isn't still radicalised.
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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by taio » Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:48 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I don't think many people feel sorry for her for that reason. I certainly don't. I just don't want to live in a country that turns its back on its own people just because they're not nice people. To do that would be to hold the attitude of a fundamentalist. Are we fundamentalists now?

I can't wait until i hear one of these people claim that we're a Christian country and should stay as a Christian country. I'm going to enjoy rubbing it in their faces how unforgiving they are, which is very unchristian-like.
I haven't read anybody say such a thing and I doubt the vast majority of people who object to her return do so because of their religious beliefs. I'm not at all surprised about your "can't wait" comment.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Hapag Lloyd » Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:58 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote::lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: you live in your own little world down there, in the gutter. Don't you?.
No.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sat Feb 16, 2019 2:34 pm

Firthy wrote:Seriously, turning their back on her if they don't let her come home for free healthcare because she's pregnant. She isn't fazed by a bucket full of heads and shows no regret or remorse for her actions and this country. This isn't about religion because there are many peacefful muslims living here alongside christians. She turned her back on her country when she made her choice to go. Let her live with her decision and who's to say she isn't still radicalised.
If we refuse to let her back in the country then this country is not only turning its back on a Briton, it's doing it outside the judicial process. If she has committed crimes then she should be tried for them. And she shouldn't be punished for crimes that we are not prepared to put her on trial for. That's one of the most fundamental principles we've held for centuries, isn't it?

I personally don't think anything she's done is beyond redemption, and even if i did i'd still want her to be put on trial for the crimes she's accused of.
Anyone who wants to punish her and refuse her entry to her own country without going through our judicial process to prosecute her is not someone who hold the principles of this country in very high regard. The difference between them and her is that at least she's honest about hating what this country stands for.
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