O/T I want to come home

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Burnley Ace » Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:30 pm

The Pew Research Centre is a quasi religious think tank based in America!

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:36 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:The Pew Research Centre is a quasi religious think tank based in America!

What's your beef with them?

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by dsr » Tue Apr 30, 2019 1:46 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I'd have thought the idea that someone would see numbers as biased would be enough to identify something as less than serious.
You have a lot of ideas that would seem to be less than serious. They can't all be jokes?

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Rileybobs » Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:00 pm

Blackrod wrote:Numbers in Britain ? The Pew Research Cente ‘ The Muslim population of Britain is set to triple in 30 years’ using Median migration levels this will be 4.1 million in 2016 and grow to 30 million in 2050. So nearly half the UK population as we know it now will be Muslim by 2050.

Positions of power(Govt): The Home Secretary is one if the highest political positions you can hold and thus is currently a Muslim by origin.

Positions of power(Police): assistant Met Police Comissioner 1974 to 2007 Tarique Ghaffur Born I n Uganda and Muslim.

Positions of power (local govt ): I invite you to look at the list of Pendle Councillors.
Absolutely hilarious. How can you expect to be taken seriously when you think that 4.1m x 3 = 30m?

Even more hilarious is that you've not accounted for the UK's non-muslim population growing in the same timescale. It really shows how out of touch and naive you people are.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:01 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Absolutely hilarious. How can you expect to be taken seriously when you think that 4.1m x 3 = 30m?

Even more hilarious is that you've not accounted for the UK's non-muslim population growing in the same timescale. It really shows how out of touch and naive you people are.

Pew Research accounted for it and they said the Muslim population will reach about 16.x% from the 6.x% it is now. Or as Blackrod calls it "nearly half".
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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Burnley Ace » Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:06 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:What's your beef with them?
I would have concerns about any report about Muslims published by an American Religious Charity.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:21 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:I would have concerns about any report about Muslims published by an American Religious Charity.

They're not a religious charity though. Is it possible you're just making an assumption that they are because they did some research on Muslim populations in Europe? https://www.pewforum.org/2017/11/29/eur ... opulation/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Whatever the reason, you're wrong. Pew Research Center is one of the most respected think tanks there are, and for good reason.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/pew-research/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Burnley Ace » Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:38 pm

I’m presuming they are a religious charity because the Pew family are traditional conservative Christians who made their money in oil, have donated a considerable amount to climate change deniers and wonder who paid for a report looking at the explosive growth of Muslims in Britain. I’m sure they do some other work as well.

John Templeton also has some unique ideas.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Greenmile » Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:56 pm

Funkydrummer wrote:Come on TP, I know what you're inviting with that comment, but you and I are
not that naive.
Funkydrummer wrote:You're not that naive either.
Why don't you say what you mean, instead of dancing around it like this?

Unless and until you clarify, you seem to be saying either that all terrorists are Muslim, or all Muslims are terrorists - both of which are awful opinions (in terms of them being clearly untrue, and what they say about you if you hold them).

As such, it's probably in your best interests to explain your point a bit more clearly.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Imploding Turtle » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:34 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:I’m presuming they are a religious charity because the Pew family are traditional conservative Christians who made their money in oil, have donated a considerable amount to climate change deniers and wonder who paid for a report looking at the explosive growth of Muslims in Britain. I’m sure they do some other work as well.

John Templeton also has some unique ideas.

You're not thinking very critically. It doesn't really matter who paid the Pew Research Center for the study because Pew Research has a history of excellent work.

The study you seem to be objecting to (based on your tone and decision to focus on things other than the study) is part of the Global Religious Futures project which has the states aim being to "explore the rapidly changing religious profile of the world through 2050". It wasn't just about finding out how many Muslims there would be in Britain, it was part of trying to forecast it for Europe, which itself was a part of a project that trying to forecast the near future for all the worlds major religions. There isn't anything malicious about the study, what is malicious is how the study results has been used so if you want to object to anything then i suggest you direct your ire at the right targets because Pew Research Center is one of the good guys doing good, accurate research despite being funded by people you don't like, and who i probably wouldn't like so much either.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:50 pm

Hopefully the forecast is about the demise of the world's major religions, they're just trouble makers.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Burnley Ace » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:52 pm

It’s not that I don’t like them more, on the face of it, I’m slightly suspicious of their motives. I always like to know who pays for the research!

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by bfcjg » Thu Sep 26, 2019 7:58 am

So the infidel west isn't that bad, nice prison, rule of law, NHS freedom to wander around to visit family and friends.
It's almost worth strapping on a suicide vest or picking up a Kalashnikov to defend.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/shamima-begum ... 25278.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Imploding Turtle » Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:14 am

Oh good. It's this shameful thread again.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Blackrod » Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:41 am

Playing the mental health card is a new tactic and low when people suffer through no fault of their own. She made her choice. I am sure human rights lawyers will be kicking their lips with this one though. Death didn’t bother her but it does know. Maybe she wanted to play at beheading to see if she liked it or not. In all reality she couldn’t live a normal life in this country and would need a new identity paid for by us.
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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by karatekid » Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:27 pm

It seems she is coming back to the UK to fight her citizenship case. Court of appeal has ruled.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Blackrod » Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:29 pm

2 threads have been pulled. Is this one next ? Clearly not allowed to discuss it.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by karatekid » Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:04 pm

Blackrod wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:29 pm
2 threads have been pulled. Is this one next ? Clearly not allowed to discuss it.
Oh ok , I didn't realise. If it goes , fair enough , no problem from me.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by ZizkovClaret » Thu Jul 16, 2020 3:49 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:01 pm
Pew Research accounted for it and they said the Muslim population will reach about 16.x% from the 6.x% it is now. Or as Blackrod calls it "nearly half".
Pew pew pew research - The leaders in handheld laser gun development

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by mdd2 » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:24 pm

Lord Justice Flaux - sitting with Lady Justice King and Lord Justice Singh - said: "Fairness and justice must, on the facts of this case, outweigh the national security concerns, so that the leave to enter appeals should be allowed."
Lets hope their honours are correct and National Security will not be affected

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by DCWat » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:45 pm

Anyone should be afforded a fair trial however, if she’s found guilty, to where do we send her, if she has no citizenship?

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Firthy » Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:56 pm

And who's going to pay for her to come home and the court case. It won't be her or her family. The good old British taxpayer will foot the bill again. Surely we have better and more important things to waste our money on.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Rileybobs » Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:13 pm

Obviously others won’t change their mind, but the way we pied her off onto another country was shameful. This isn’t about letting Begum back into our country to live a normal life, this is about taking accountability for our own citizens and letting justice be served by the law of our land. I don’t think you can call yourself democratic and keep a straight face if you think otherwise.
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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Woodleyclaret » Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:14 pm

She lost a baby in the camp
It didn't take long to sort out a replacement
She has Bangladeshi citizenship so arrange a flight out there .

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by ZizkovClaret » Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:17 pm

We can't refuse to deal with her and in the next breath try to deport foreign nationals who commit crimes too.

You don't get to do both.

She is our problem to deal with.
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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by fidelcastro » Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:20 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:14 pm
She lost a baby in the camp
It didn't take long to sort out a replacement
She has Bangladeshi citizenship so arrange a flight out there .
What have Bangladesh done wrong to have the problem inflicted on them?

She's never been there, has she?

Put her on trial here. If she's guilty of a crime (and I'm pretty sure she is), then lock her up.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Rileybobs » Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:43 pm

Wonder how many people would be happy for the roles to be reversed and for Bangladesh to send one of their supposed terrorists to us.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by mdd2 » Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:57 pm

Her father lives there
Supports her right to a family life there
Many a person in UK on that basis

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by ClaretAndJew » Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:59 pm

Or how many people defended the 12 year old racist boy who tweeted Zaha for not having capacity but then suggest that Begum was old enough to know what she's doing.

Wonder what the difference there is?

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by aggi » Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:02 pm

Woodleyclaret wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:14 pm
She lost a baby in the camp
It didn't take long to sort out a replacement
She has Bangladeshi citizenship so arrange a flight out there .
She doesn't have Bangladeshi citizenship, she would be eligible for it.

In the North West a lot of people have an Irish grandparent who moved over here when they were young and started a family and the nearest the grandchildren have got to Ireland is going drinking on St Patrick's day.

The equivalent would be that grandchild committing a crime abroad (although there never actually being a trial to prove it happened) and told that they weren't allowed back in the UK and had to go to Ireland.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by Quickenthetempo » Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:22 pm

I hope she's bringing some fags back with her.

200 each for the lads.

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Re: O/T I want to come home

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:24 pm

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