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Electric Vehicle

Post by IanMcL » Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:21 pm

Anyone got one? How far do you drive in it? Burnley not best equipped with chargepoints!

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by clarethrough » Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:27 pm

every time I park in burnley I get charged
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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sun Feb 17, 2019 6:26 pm

They won't take off fully until charging points are on every corner.

By now I thought they might have come up with a slot in/slot out battery that you could change at the garage just as if you were fuelling up. Obviously manufacturers would have to come up with a one size fits all design. You could have space in your boot for say 3 of them and have more leeway in changing. Same batteries would also be home chargeable.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by dougcollins » Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:03 pm

All you know is that in the not too distant someone's gonna make a killing on this.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Bosscat » Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:05 pm

Currently (apologies :D pun intended) there are vehicles capable of 120-280 Miles before requiring charging... weather driving conditions excepted.....

See Jag i-pace, Hyundai Kona, Nissan Leaf etc etc.

Not ideal as a main car at the moment due to charging capabilites....

I am considering a Hyundai Kona with up to 270 miles capability at the moment ... but only as a 2nd car ... shopping local trips etc.

Have looked at the Mini Countryman plug in hybrid but only 25 miles on battery power alone, similar Mitsubishi Outlander Phev, but with such low battery mileage, most would be done on the petrol engine as our shopping/football journeys are over 30 mile round trips.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Foulthrow » Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:07 pm

What happens when the battery stops charging? Is that the car goosed? Presumably electric cars have virtually no resale value???

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Bosscat » Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:09 pm

Foulthrow wrote:What happens when the battery stops charging? Is that the car goosed? Presumably electric cars have virtually no resale value???
Have you not heard of warranties Foulthrow ... what about a petrol/diesel :roll: if the engine goes within warranty etc duhhhhh

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by FactualFrank » Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:10 pm

Foulthrow wrote:What happens when the battery stops charging? Is that the car goosed? Presumably electric cars have virtually no resale value???
Depends on the car. It doesn't happen with the Tesla Model S.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by South West Claret. » Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:12 pm

If anyone is thinking of buying one I would leave it until the prices come down, Bikes as well.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Foulthrow » Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:13 pm

Bosscat wrote:Have you not heard of warranties Foulthrow ... what about a petrol/diesel :roll: if the engine goes within warranty etc duhhhhh
I’m genuinely asking. I really don’t know. I mean the engine on most cars lasts a long time, is that the case with electrics?

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:19 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:They won't take off fully until charging points are on every corner.

By now I thought they might have come up with a slot in/slot out battery that you could change at the garage just as if you were fuelling up. Obviously manufacturers would have to come up with a one size fits all design. You could have space in your boot for say 3 of them and have more leeway in changing. Same batteries would also be home chargeable.
One size fits all isn't an option for fossil fueled cars, even now, so can't see it happening with electric ones.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by levraiclaret » Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:30 pm

IanMcL wrote:Anyone got one? How far do you drive in it? Burnley not best equipped with chargepoints!
You might be better opting for a hybrid (petrol/electric) at the moment, Ian

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:51 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:One size fits all isn't an option for fossil fueled cars, even now, so can't see it happening with electric ones.
You sound like you know more than me so is it not an option technically or because manufacturers don't want to sit down together and come up with a worldwide standard battery?

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Post by IndigoLake » Sun Feb 17, 2019 7:57 pm

I'm considering buying a hybrid this year. Looking at the Toyota Auris hybrid as well as the Hyundai Ioniq. Don't think I could buy a fully electric vehicle as there just aren't enough charging points here in Spain. Would become far too complicated. Maybe in a few years!

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by IanMcL » Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:42 pm

Tesla have superchargers strategically placed to enable long journeys. A built in break, for a rest and charge.
30 mins and 80% charged - couple of hundred miles.

The batteries are most of the vehicle floor, so not something you can change out.

8 year guarantee.
Expected to be able to do 500k miles!
0-60 in a jiff.

No tax. No need for a garage visit.

The difficulty is that places like Burnley have no infrastructure, to speak of. Just a slow charger at McDonald's and a chargeable one at Holiday Inn.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Bosscat » Sun Feb 17, 2019 8:45 pm

Jag I-Pace challenges Tesla for performance and price, but its the infrastructure for charging that lets all electric only cars down....

Tesla charging unique to Tesla I think at the moment... yhere needs to be a standardising and expansion before they become practical to own and use (and prices come down.... I-Pace around 63 to 70K depending on model and spec.... Tesla similar)

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:44 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:You sound like you know more than me so is it not an option technically or because manufacturers don't want to sit down together and come up with a worldwide standard battery?
Simple really.

Look at a Corsa and look at a Range Rover.

Vastly different power requirements, about as simple as I can make it.
Wasn't trying to be condescending either.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by alpo » Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:59 pm

Got a volvo hybrid which only does 30 miles but OK most days. Need to go further I have a tank of fuel.
Wife has just bought a Renault zoe and too soon to make a judgement.
Problem is too many different charge point.companies, different connection systems and the risk that you arrive and they don't work or are being used. Mostly charge at home so OK.
Also get people using them as free parking. They plug in and leave it there. Parking wardens don't understand them. Motorway network is fine with lots availablebut not many in the sticks. Will get better.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:00 pm

I trundle around in a Renault Zoe quite regularly, local garage has one as a courtesy car.

Got to be honest, for what it is I quite like it.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by clarethomer » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:08 pm

some more info here on the different connections

https://www.zap-map.com/charge-points/c ... rs-speeds/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Range Anxiety and lack of charging points is a big concern. Likewise until range increases, the speed of charging will play massively in the uptake.

Give it 2-3 years and the landscape of tthe electric car will look a bit more clear.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Claretitus » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:12 pm

I drove a Tesla Type X last week. Was squeaky bum time on M62 near Leeds, charge was running very low. Was a Tesla supercharge point at the Village Hotel near junction 28. Half an hour charge gave a range of over 100 miles. The car is amazing. 0-60 in 2.5 secs in "Ludicrous" mode which is selectable on the vehicle touchscreen. Fastest production car in the world, with amazing looks too, checkout the gull-wing passenger doors. A snip at £100k :lol:
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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:22 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Simple really.

Look at a Corsa and look at a Range Rover.

Vastly different power requirements, about as simple as I can make it.
Wasn't trying to be condescending either.
No worries, I didn’t think you were. Untrained as I am I just thought bigger vehicle more batteries.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Fenwick » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:22 pm

Whenever electric vehicles are discussed I always think of the same questions. If it's a full plugin thing, where does the electricity come from? If it's from the National Grid its green credentials are ********. Aren't they? No road tax? Do they not wear the road out like other cars?
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Post by IanMcL » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:29 pm

Fenwick wrote:Whenever electric vehicles are discussed I always think of the same questions. If it's a full plugin thing, where does the electricity come from? If it's from the National Grid its green credentials are ********. Aren't they? No road tax? Do they not wear the road out like other cars?
But they don't poison the people!
Electric is more green than the ICE.
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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:30 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:No worries, I didn’t think you were. Untrained as I am I just thought bigger vehicle more batteries.
The battery on a Corsa is what's called an 063 most of the time and isn't that big, a Range Rover one would be 2 times the size

Then there's different contents to a battery, Acid or Gel.
Acid is older style, gel newer.

Chrysler have something completely different and unique to them I think, like a leisure style battery but it isn't, hard to explain but they're expensive.
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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Fenwick » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:39 pm

IanMcL wrote:But they don't poison the people!
Electric is more green than the ICE.
What about the power stations? When the wind isn't blowing? And the mining to create the batteries ? And the container ships that transport the cars or components? I might be being a bit arsey but they've got to be taken into account surely?

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Post by IanMcL » Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:42 pm

Fenwick wrote:What about the power stations? When the wind isn't blowing? And the mining to create the batteries ? And the container ships that transport the cars or components? I might be being a bit arsey but they've got to be taken into account surely?
Nothing is perfect. However, all those things you mention is for anything that is moved from a to b. Even a Burnley Football shirt!

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Post by Bosscat » Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:04 pm

Fenwick wrote:What about the power stations? When the wind isn't blowing? And the mining to create the batteries ? And the container ships that transport the cars or components? I might be being a bit arsey but they've got to be taken into account surely?
What about businesses in Cities who need transport.

Battery power Vans/Trucks that will need charging. Diesel and Petrol will be phased out sooner than you think.

Going back to home charging if I go Electric, I have solar panels, so most of the year during the daytime I will be charging off grid.....

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by dsr » Sun Feb 17, 2019 11:59 pm

It takes two or three minutes to "recharge" a petrol car. Until they can match it with electrics, then electric cars won't take off.

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Post by IanMcL » Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:23 am

dsr wrote:It takes two or three minutes to "recharge" a petrol car. Until they can match it with electrics, then electric cars won't take off.
When the fuel, tax and insurance on a diesel and petrol vehicle, are through the roof, the change will be swift!

Charging is just an adjustment.
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Post by Taffy on the wing » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:05 am

Bosscat wrote:Currently (apologies :D pun intended) there are vehicles capable of 120-280 Miles before requiring charging... weather driving conditions excepted.....

See Jag i-pace, Hyundai Kona, Nissan Leaf etc etc.

Not ideal as a main car at the moment due to charging capabilites....

I am considering a Hyundai Kona with up to 270 miles capability at the moment ... but only as a 2nd car ... shopping local trips etc.

Have looked at the Mini Countryman plug in hybrid but only 25 miles on battery power alone, similar Mitsubishi Outlander Phev, but with such low battery mileage, most would be done on the petrol engine as our shopping/football journeys are over 30 mile round trips.
I looked at the Countryman hybrid too... They told me only the first 11 miles on battery power ( i'm in the US ) it drives great but 11 miles?.......
I ended up getting a Tesla 3 after trying the BMWi3 etc......it does almost 300 miles on a full charge and i can charge it overnight at home, there are plenty of charging spaces in parking garages etc, but there need to be more.......But the car is awesome i love it! Also you get to drive in high occupancy vehicle lanes without passengers........oh and i never have to get royally ****** at a petrol station! I plan on keeping it for a long time.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by IanMcL » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:56 am

Bosscat wrote: Going back to home charging if I go Electric, I have solar panels, so most of the year during the daytime I will be charging off grid.....
I applaud the dual use....However, perhaps you are overestimating the amount you will gain from your panels, versus the need.

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Post by Bosscat » Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:11 am

Taffy on the wing wrote:I looked at the Countryman hybrid too... They told me only the first 11 miles on battery power ( i'm in the US ) it drives great but 11 miles?.......
I ended up getting a Tesla 3 after trying the BMWi3 etc......it does almost 300 miles on a full charge and i can charge it overnight at home, there are plenty of charging spaces in parking garages etc, but there need to be more.......But the car is awesome i love it! Also you get to drive in high occupancy vehicle lanes without passengers........oh and i never have to get royally ****** at a petrol station! I plan on keeping it for a long time.
I prefer the Jaguar I-pace if I was spending that kind of money taffy m8.
Around 280 miles depending on conditions weather/time of day etc....
Here the charging points in the UK are OK in the cities, but I live in the countryside and have none, so would have to rely on home charging... so for the time being a Hybrid the best option probably as occasionally maybe 3 or 4 times a year we look to drive 300 plus distance (600+) round trips.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by wilks_bfc » Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:37 pm

I assume if you have a charger installed at home it is connected to your house mains?

If so then I think that would rule us out in getting an electric car, as although we have our our parking spaces, they aren't alongside the house, so not sure how/where the charge point could be installed

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Burtonwoodclaret » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:25 pm

This might be your answer
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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 2:34 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:I assume if you have a charger installed at home it is connected to your house mains?

If so then I think that would rule us out in getting an electric car, as although we have our our parking spaces, they aren't alongside the house, so not sure how/where the charge point could be installed
This is one of the most important things for prospective buyers of electric cars.
The technology required to ensure cars can be charged at night safely isn't there yet, plus it's odds on some moronic youths would unplug them for a laugh.

I think it's Sweden who're developing a system where a car can charge whilst driving.
Also worth looking at the system mobile phone companies currently use, wireless charging, which would be ideal.

There's a vast amount of work that needs to be done but it needs a government, whichever party, to realise that it has to get a move on.

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Post by KateR » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:02 pm

went to the Classic Car Show Saturday, there was a stand selling original minis completely refurbished and as new to look at.

The engine had been removed and they had installed an electric system, updated the interior with air conditioning, touch screen, infotainment etc.

I was very impressed and quite interested until they told me the basic car they did was 80,000 pounds!!

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by dsr » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:31 pm

IanMcL wrote:When the fuel, tax and insurance on a diesel and petrol vehicle, are through the roof, the change will be swift!

Charging is just an adjustment.
If you have nowhere to charge a car at home, then waiting half an hour at the charging station would be more than an "adjustment".

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Post by Bosscat » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:47 pm

dsr wrote:If you have nowhere to charge a car at home, then waiting half an hour at the charging station would be more than an "adjustment".
Supermarkets and other retail parks will take it up so people will charge while shopping / Cinema / Eating out etc etc etc.....

Electric motoring is in its infancy ... I would imagine over the next few years the infrastructure to grow very quickly.

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Post by dsr » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:54 pm

Bosscat wrote:Supermarkets and other retail parks will take it up so people will charge while shopping / Cinema / Eating out etc etc etc.....
How many places will they have? I can go to a petrol station with 12 pumps and there are a dozen people ahead of me. That's a five minute wait. If all the supermarket / cinema places are full, then it's a long wait.

If the filling up takes ten times as long, then there need to be ten times as many charging points just to keep up. Helped by people charging at home, of course, but even so. How much work needs doing (if any) on the electricity network so a motorway service station can simultaneously charge say 250 vehicles, including wagons and buses, on superpower charging?

I'm sure the technology is on its way to make charging much faster - probably by making smaller batteries and doing battery swaps at filling stations. But until they do, it's a total non-starter for people like me.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Bosscat » Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:09 pm

dsr wrote:How many places will they have? I can go to a petrol station with 12 pumps and there are a dozen people ahead of me. That's a five minute wait. If all the supermarket / cinema places are full, then it's a long wait.

If the filling up takes ten times as long, then there need to be ten times as many charging points just to keep up. Helped by people charging at home, of course, but even so. How much work needs doing (if any) on the electricity network so a motorway service station can simultaneously charge say 250 vehicles, including wagons and buses, on superpower charging?

I'm sure the technology is on its way to make charging much faster - probably by making smaller batteries and doing battery swaps at filling stations. But until they do, it's a total non-starter for people like me.
Do you see empty spaces in the supermarket car parks for blue badge holders ... Yes ... a similar set up will probably be rolled out for Electric cars where they are monitored to stop every tom dick or deisel owner parking in them.

You are talking as if overnight everyone is going Electric and chaos will reign.

In Bray in County Wicklow (just south of Dublin) there are around 25 charging points along the sea front and the Hotel we stayed in said there are plans to expand on this.
Like I point out Electric cars are in their infancy ... the infrastructure will come as technology improves....

The main thing is for manufacturers to work towards standardisation in Charging / Battery so as not to have a VHS / Betamax / CD rom / DVD situation....

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Post by IanMcL » Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:33 pm

Just nipped to and from a Super charger. Took work. Sat in car (although could have gone for a beverage) and wrote and did emails. Hour later, 250 miles available. No hardship. Pleasant trip. Could have just parked ac14 min walk away and left it a few hours.

All free!
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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:50 pm

Beem testing one this weekend. Almost certainly going to stick with proper fuel and most likely dirty diesel. Unless the financial benefits are too much to ignore. Complete amd utter faff and horrendous mpg. The advertised 140mpg is surely a joke.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by DocFoster » Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:56 am

I had a deposit down on a Tesla 3 for almost 3 years, but cancelled a few weeks ago as I needed to replace my current car and still hadn't got a delivery date from Tesla.
I did a consider a short term solution but it occurred to me that Tesla have done such a fantastic job in disrupting the conventional car market that in a couple of years time the quality, range and choice of electric vehicles will have improved significantly.
There is also Hydrogen fuel technology to consider. For example the government awarded a £1.25M grant to these chaps https://www.riversimple.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; last week. Not a great deal in the big scheme but electric is by no means the only option. Exciting (and hopefully cleaner) times ahead.
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Post by Herts Clarets » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:39 am

I am guessing that the car industry is seeing electric as the way forwards. I used to work for a company in Luton who manufacture and install EV chargers, domestic and commercial. In July last year, BP bought that company for £130m despite it barely making any profit. They are seeing the installation of rapid charging points into the current fossil fuel filling stations as the way forwards.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by IanMcL » Tue Feb 19, 2019 11:44 am

I purchased an S85D in December. Huge outlay but was gripped by the advantages, for a old chap making long journeys to see the Mighty Clarets.
2016 model. All wheel drive. Free electric for life of vehicle. 36k on clock. I drive to Keele services and charge, whilst eating, pering and drinking tea. Then i drive to Charnock Richard services and whack in some more - enough to get me to Burnley and back to Keele. Autopilot drives most of the way. Absolutely brilliant. Takes the effort out of the long drive, up and down.

On the way back, at Keele, I have KFC and when it is eaten, it is about time for the drive home. Love It! I have a home charger but have never used it!
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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:54 pm

Porsche are going to start selling fully electric vehicles next year.

Looks like our government are really going to have to pull their finger out with the national grid and vehicle charging network.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by IanMcL » Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:27 pm

Yes well behind.
One or two have good range now but it would take forever to charge them up, using current public chargepoints! Tesla has the range plus done in good time.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by aggi » Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:44 pm

The most likely result will be that electric will take off alongside self-driving cars. Having to charge will be less of an issue as they'll mainly be charging at a depot and then charged ones doing people's journey whilst empty ones head back to charge.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by IanMcL » Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:58 pm

The new public transport....

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