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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by IanMcL » Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:58 pm

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Wokingclaret » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:56 pm

IanMcL wrote:I purchased an S85D in December. Huge outlay but was gripped by the advantages, for a old chap making long journeys to see the Mighty Clarets.
2016 model. All wheel drive. Free electric for life of vehicle. 36k on clock. I drive to Keele services and charge, whilst eating, pering and drinking tea. Then i drive to Charnock Richard services and whack in some more - enough to get me to Burnley and back to Keele. Autopilot drives most of the way. Absolutely brilliant. Takes the effort out of the long drive, up and down.

On the way back, at Keele, I have KFC and when it is eaten, it is about time for the drive home. Love It! I have a home charger but have never used it!

Sounds an old persons car and looks like you make more environmental issues at the services :D

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by IanMcL » Wed Feb 27, 2019 12:04 am

Wokingclaret wrote:Sounds an old persons car and looks like you make more environmental issues at the services :D
0-60 In a flash and 155mph is hardly an old persons car...although I do qualify! :)
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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Bosscat » Wed Feb 27, 2019 5:22 pm

IanMcL wrote:0-60 In a flash and 155mph is hardly an old persons car...although I do qualify! :)
"0-60 in a flash" appropriate for an electric car --- as long as its not a "Flash accompanied by sparks, smoke and a stench of burning plastic..... and the screams of the passengers as their hair sets on fire"

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by basil6345789 » Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:18 pm

Where's all the extra electricity needed going to come from?

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by IanMcL » Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:37 pm

Bosscat wrote:"0-60 in a flash" appropriate for an electric car --- as long as its not a "Flash accompanied by sparks, smoke and a stench of burning plastic..... and the screams of the passengers as their hair sets on fire"
Plastic!!!!!
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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Bosscat » Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:40 pm

IanMcL wrote:Plastic!!!!!
:o
Bloody hell man you drive it everyday surely you know what its made of :lol:

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/extrao ... a-model-s/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by IanMcL » Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:47 pm

Misprint!
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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by LoveCurryPies » Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:34 am

I can't even keep my iPhone charged up never mind a car.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Belgianclaret » Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:57 am

Was intent on buying a Tesla model S last year.
However, despite all fiscal advantages, the 'green' story, the terrific technology on board,... I was totally underwhelmed by the cheap (plastic) interior.
For that kind of money, I'd still rather drive an Audi or a Merc, and so I decided on the new Mercedes All Terrain.
It's a diesel, but I'm still happy with my choice. Many ways to look at the environmental aspects: some data proves electrical vehicles are even more polluting then petrol or diesel cars, other statistics show that the fabrication of an electrical car is already worth 7 years of normal fuel emission...
I'm eagerly awaiting the new electrical models to come out in 2020 though

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by IanMcL » Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:17 am

Sat all day in a counxmcil meeting on Tuesday...car charged free, in the car park. Yesterday, I took my partner swimming. Car charged, whilst she swam.

Today,I have another council meet, this pm. Car will charge, while I am in the meeting.

Tomorrow, I have dentist appointment. Charger nearby. I will leave on charge, walk 14 mins home, visiting the Highland cattle, on the way. Pick up car later. It will be fully charged, so I can drive to Burnley on Saturday morning. All at no cost! Love it!
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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Rick_Muller » Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:05 am

IanMcL wrote:Sat all day in a counxmcil meeting on Tuesday...car charged free, in the car park. Yesterday, I took my partner swimming. Car charged, whilst she swam.

Today,I have another council meet, this pm. Car will charge, while I am in the meeting.

Tomorrow, I have dentist appointment. Charger nearby. I will leave on charge, walk 14 mins home, visiting the Highland cattle, on the way. Pick up car later. It will be fully charged, so I can drive to Burnley on Saturday morning. All at no cost! Love it!
Nothing worse than a smug b@stard ;) I like it :)
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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 12:00 pm

I was actually in one last night. The nephew has a BMW 4 series hybrid. It's one of those where the engine charges the batteries as it moves and then the electric motor kicks in .its the 1st time I've been in one and it's a really weird sensation. You just here a slight noise as the motor kicks in, then nothing. Range on full electric out of hybrid mode is around 25 miles.

Also he has had a charge point installed at home and because theres a a government grant available at the moment of £500 installation cost you £250

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Belgianclaret » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:09 pm

IanMcL wrote:Sat all day in a counxmcil meeting on Tuesday...car charged free, in the car park. Yesterday, I took my partner swimming. Car charged, whilst she swam.

Today,I have another council meet, this pm. Car will charge, while I am in the meeting.

Tomorrow, I have dentist appointment. Charger nearby. I will leave on charge, walk 14 mins home, visiting the Highland cattle, on the way. Pick up car later. It will be fully charged, so I can drive to Burnley on Saturday morning. All at no cost! Love it!
At the price you paid for your Tesla, I could buy petrol to drive around the world 4 times ;)

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by IanMcL » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:36 pm

Belgianclaret wrote:At the price you paid for your Tesla, I could buy petrol to drive around the world 4 times ;)
It wasn't new!

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by No Ney Never » Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:27 pm

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All I can say is that the Leaf is doing absolutely superb, done over 10 1/2 thousand miles now and still able to achieve over 190 miles on a full charge. Even better, cost me 23k but a recent search on autotrader has the same model second hand at 26k.
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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Bosscat » Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:46 am

IanMcL wrote:It wasn't new!
https://news.sky.com/story/amp/elon-mus ... l-11651399" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tesla in trouble?

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by IanMcL » Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:51 am

Nah, just leading myths way to create the mass market. Mind you, once they have succeeded, they better not over subscribe my Super chargers!

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Zlatan » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:09 am

IanMcL wrote:
Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:17 am
Sat all day in a counxmcil meeting on Tuesday...car charged free, in the car park. Yesterday, I took my partner swimming. Car charged, whilst she swam.

Today,I have another council meet, this pm. Car will charge, while I am in the meeting.

Tomorrow, I have dentist appointment. Charger nearby. I will leave on charge, walk 14 mins home, visiting the Highland cattle, on the way. Pick up car later. It will be fully charged, so I can drive to Burnley on Saturday morning. All at no cost! Love it!
Rick_Muller wrote:
Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:05 am
Nothing worse than a smug b@stard ;) I like it :)
https://youtu.be/PLxPAwIeL0w

:D

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Devils_Advocate » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:20 am

Just casually catching up on unread topics!!!
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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by deanothedino » Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:50 pm

Fenwick wrote:
Sun Feb 17, 2019 10:22 pm
Whenever electric vehicles are discussed I always think of the same questions. If it's a full plugin thing, where does the electricity come from? If it's from the National Grid its green credentials are ********. Aren't they? No road tax? Do they not wear the road out like other cars?
You realise there is no such thing as road tax and the tax that you are thinking of isn't even ringfenced for roads.

Everyone who pays income tax pays for the roads, your vehicle is taxed on emissions which is why bicycles and EVs don't pay anything.

I know this thread is old but I couldn't help myself but respond. :lol:

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by beddie » Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:51 pm

Their still far too expensive to buy. Even some of the latest models have a really poor range of miles before requiring a charge.
I noticed the VW UP launched in 2013 had a range of 83 miles, the new version has 159 miles. The manufacturers are holding back imo, to me they should be turning these cars out with a much higher range and above all the prices should be slashed, add to that a lot more charging points and importantly a quick time to charge them and I might consider them. I'll take some convincing though that paying the high price results in a saving, certainly it helps the environment but the extra cost of initially buying the car does not justify the outlay.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by dsr » Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:59 pm

deanothedino wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:50 pm
You realise there is no such thing as road tax and the tax that you are thinking of isn't even ringfenced for roads.

Everyone who pays income tax pays for the roads, your vehicle is taxed on emissions which is why bicycles and EVs don't pay anything.

I know this thread is old but I couldn't help myself but respond. :lol:
That's like saying there is no such thing as the Long Side. The name may have officially changed, but road tax or road fund licences still exists, as does the Long Side - albeit under a different name.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by No Ney Never » Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:01 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:09 am
https://youtu.be/PLxPAwIeL0w

:D
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Herts Clarets » Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:07 pm

Replacing ICE vehicles by the new government deadline of 2035 before the ban on sale of new vehicles is a massive challenge. If EVs are the way forwards, there will be major issues with the supply of enough raw materials to manufacture the volume of batteries required to power these vehicles. To give you an idea, 2019 saw just under 38k new EVs sold, from a whole market of 2.3m. 1.6% of new vehicle sales were EV.

Secondly, the charging infrastructure required is a major concern. Firstly the generation of so much additional electricity to power so many vehicles will require a huge increase in capacity. Secondly, whilst charging an EV at home is relatively simple if you own a house with a drive or private off street parking adjacent to the property, the terraced streets of East Lancashire and the tower blocks of flats are a whole different ball game.

Hydrogen power is another option that could be developed, however the vehicle development is a long way behind that of the EV and the infrastructure for fuelling these vehicles is a challenge on the scale of the electricity generation capacity above. My guess is that the date of 2035 will be pushed back as the date draws nearer and the enormity of the issue dawns.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by deanothedino » Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:23 pm

dsr wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:59 pm
That's like saying there is no such thing as the Long Side. The name may have officially changed, but road tax or road fund licences still exists, as does the Long Side - albeit under a different name.
How is it? It's not a tax to use roads and it's not used to fund repairing roads.

So please, explain how it is the same.

It is a tax on emissions, plain and simple. If it was a tax on road use and road repair it would be based on vehicle mass.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by dsr » Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:35 pm

deanothedino wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:23 pm
How is it? It's not a tax to use roads and it's not used to fund repairing roads.

So please, explain how it is the same.

It is a tax on emissions, plain and simple. If it was a tax on road use and road repair it would be based on vehicle mass.
It's not a tax on emissions. If I drive my car all around my country estate, and never take it on a public road, then I can emit all the emissions I like but don't have to pay RFL. The reason for paying RFL is to give me the right to drive on the roads.

They have variable pricing or exemptions based on emissions, but the licence is granted (free or for a fee) to drive on the roads. You pay the tax for permission to drive on the roads, so it's a road tax.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Sproggy » Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:41 pm

Electric cars aren't quite as environmentally friendly as advertised.

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium ... ent-impact

We desperately need a breakthrough in battery technology.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by aggi » Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:49 pm

dsr wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:59 pm
That's like saying there is no such thing as the Long Side. The name may have officially changed, but road tax or road fund licences still exists, as does the Long Side - albeit under a different name.
It was abolished ~ 85 years ago, there's no-one driving today who was driving when road tax was a thing.

It's a tax on vehicles and their emissions in public places, it's obviously not a tax for using the roads as you don't always pay it for using the roads. It goes into general taxation and has for ~ 85 years. Some people struggle to understand the concept but that doesn't make it less true.
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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by NewClaret » Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:50 pm

Zlatan wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:09 am
https://youtu.be/PLxPAwIeL0w

:D
:lol: :lol: :lol: That’s proper funny!

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by FCBurnley » Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:04 pm

How much does it cost to recharge the car for say 200 miles ?

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Bosscat » Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:11 pm

FCBurnley wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:04 pm
How much does it cost to recharge the car for say 200 miles ?
Nowt if you plug into your neighbours garden outdoor socket :) While they are away on holiday :lol:
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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by deanothedino » Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:13 pm

dsr wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:35 pm
It's not a tax on emissions. If I drive my car all around my country estate, and never take it on a public road, then I can emit all the emissions I like but don't have to pay RFL. The reason for paying RFL is to give me the right to drive on the roads.

They have variable pricing or exemptions based on emissions, but the licence is granted (free or for a fee) to drive on the roads. You pay the tax for permission to drive on the roads, so it's a road tax.
Except it is not and most importantly it isn't ringfenced for road repairs so what damage an EV does to the road surface isn't relevant.

You're just trotting out the same tired argument you hear for cyclists or horse riders being taxed to use the roads.

Also, it is a privilege, not a right, to drive a car on the public roads.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Zlatan » Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:19 pm

NewClaret wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:50 pm
:lol: :lol: :lol: That’s proper funny!
Bloke is fantastic - here's his YouTube Channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwUizO ... XNniXypQEQ

the Peleton https://youtu.be/7kNMIPBO-oQ one is also good :D

I'll not mention the best one on this thread though... that'll be on another one :D

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by FCBurnley » Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:34 pm

Bosscat wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:11 pm
Nowt if you plug into your neighbours garden outdoor socket :) While they are away on holiday :lol:
That’s funny but it’s a genuine question. Ian Mc seems to get free charging. Wish my electricity was free ! Am I missing something ?

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Bosscat » Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:43 pm

FCBurnley wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:34 pm
That’s funny but it’s a genuine question. Ian Mc seems to get free charging. Wish my electricity was free ! Am I missing something ?
https://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboa ... 01#p943345

I think his Tesla came with free charging at Tesla Charge points (but don't quote me)..... dunno how much it costs to charge a vehicle at home, but home charging would be whatever you pay per kilowatt...

https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/support/hom ... stallation
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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by dsr » Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:54 pm

aggi wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:49 pm
It was abolished ~ 85 years ago, there's no-one driving today who was driving when road tax was a thing.

It's a tax on vehicles and their emissions in public places, it's obviously not a tax for using the roads as you don't always pay it for using the roads. It goes into general taxation and has for ~ 85 years. Some people struggle to understand the concept but that doesn't make it less true.
By the same token, a dog licence was not a licence for owning a dog because you didn't always need it when you owned a dog. The fact that the licence to drive on the roads is free for some people doesn't mean that it doesn't give the right to drive on the roads - especially as road users need the licence, whether they pay for it or not.

And yes, I knew the 85 year ago change of rule. Leave out the patronising "I'm clever, you're stupid" snide comments. They aren't needed. Just accept that in sme issues there are two ways of looking at it, and you don't have a monopoly on knowing it all. "Road Tax" is an informal name for the licence you need to drive on the roads. I'm sure you can understand the concept.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by FCBurnley » Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:59 pm

Just researched charging costs in America. Electric car costs just over $500 per year if you drive 15000. My Jaguar F Pace costs about $1500 for the same mileage. I guess to buy an electric car is significantly more expensive. So on a pure cost basis the regular car is cheaper overall in America

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by IanMcL » Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:23 pm

The Tesla 3 is a giant step forward. Very cheap for what you get.
Depends what you use it for.

Electric is just plugging in and charging at home, so about 12p per kw. The answer to the question how long do you wait to charge up, becomes no time at all, I am indoors sleeping etc. That is most users on most journeys for their car.

Long journeys like line to Burnley, depend on a rapid charging infrastructure. Fortunately Tesla has that.

Others are catching up - inc Jaguar. Prices not too dissimilar for ICE v EV with them.

I love mine. So quiet and it jets away from traffic lights!
My autopilot and reactive cruise takes a lot of strain out of driving.

It's the way forward but it will take time and prices need to be realistic.

As for Elon Musk, he has made all his technology available to other manufacturers, so they have saved billions.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by beddie » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:04 pm

And why aren't all these manufacturers of electric cars making them so they are charging as you drive, hence never needing to plug in?

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Bosscat » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:13 pm

beddie wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:04 pm
And why aren't all these manufacturers of electric cars making them so they are charging as you drive, hence never needing to plug in?
Perpetual motion hmmmmm the holy grail....

How do you propose to charge them as you drive beddie???

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Zlatan » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:13 pm

beddie wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:04 pm
And why aren't all these manufacturers of electric cars making them so they are charging as you drive, hence never needing to plug in?
how long is your extension lead...?
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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by aggi » Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:47 pm

dsr wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:54 pm
By the same token, a dog licence was not a licence for owning a dog because you didn't always need it when you owned a dog. The fact that the licence to drive on the roads is free for some people doesn't mean that it doesn't give the right to drive on the roads - especially as road users need the licence, whether they pay for it or not.

And yes, I knew the 85 year ago change of rule. Leave out the patronising "I'm clever, you're stupid" snide comments. They aren't needed. Just accept that in sme issues there are two ways of looking at it, and you don't have a monopoly on knowing it all. "Road Tax" is an informal name for the licence you need to drive on the roads. I'm sure you can understand the concept.
road users need the licence, whether they pay for it or not.

This isn't true though. Certain vehicles may need it. Many road users don't need it at all, others are exempt and need to show that.

I can understand the concept but it is still wrong.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Rileybobs » Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:43 pm

I had a quick look into it recently - just picked the VW Hold out of the blue as an example. Range of approx 290 miles I think. I worked out it would cost roughly £5 to fully charge. Is 10p per mile fuel cost still a reasonable average? If so it is considerably cheaper and that’s not to mention people who are lucky enough to have a charger at their workplace for example.

Obviously the infrastructure and the initial cost of the vehicle is the big stumbling block. But the VW Golf is reasonably priced and there is a government subsidy which gives a decent saving.

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by IanMcL » Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:09 pm

No servicing, as such, either!

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by chorleyhere » Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:02 pm

As a retired person with grandchildren I was unhappy with the fumes given out by my diesel polluting their air. (led up the garden path by government incompetence promoting cleaner diesel cars and then backtracking to say how filthy they are) So decided to go all electric with a second hand Leaf. I had a power point installed cheaply and now can trickle charge or fast charge using green electricity through Ovo energy. I can get 120 miles from a charge and this gets me to Selby to visit my daughter. We can trickle charge through the day or overnight quite easily. Range would be a problem to be dealt with as and when. Can park for free at the cinema and charge for free and there are about 10 charging points in town. Enjoying the quietness of the drive and the automatic experience is very welcome. We intend to get a longer range model eventually but not in any hurry.
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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by IanMcL » Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:06 pm

Is a 2nd hand leaf brown? ;) :D

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by Wokingclaret » Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:11 pm

IanMcL wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:09 pm
No servicing, as such, either!
Don't forget the breaks Ian :D

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by IanMcL » Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:14 pm

Wokingclaret wrote:
Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:11 pm
Don't forget the breaks Ian :D
Useful for rest! Bit too long in winter.
Mind you, after our early kick off last time, I got back to Keele and plugged in for a half hour charge. An hour and 15 later, I woke up!

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Re: Electric Vehicle

Post by dougcollins » Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:18 pm

When we are all forced to have one, and we're all wanting to charge , it will be utter chaos.

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