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Re: Bolton

Post by ecc » Wed May 22, 2019 11:50 am

I think our club and other local clubs should follow Preston's lead and help pay the staff.

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Re: Bolton

Post by conyoviejo » Wed May 22, 2019 12:25 pm

ecc wrote:I think our club and other local clubs should follow Preston's lead and help pay the staff.
Great idea,we could pay them with the money that we don't spend on new signings. :o

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Re: Bolton

Post by bfcjg » Wed May 22, 2019 12:50 pm

ecc wrote:I think our club and other local clubs should follow Preston's lead and help pay the staff.
May I ask why ?
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Re: Bolton

Post by bfcmik » Wed May 22, 2019 2:54 pm

ecc wrote:I think our club and other local clubs should follow Preston's lead and help pay the staff.
That is like Tesco agreeing to pay some of Asda's staff wages. BFC is a business and BWFC is a rival business that has been run in an unsustainable manner for years. I feel for the people who haven't been paid but they have been feeding at a trough that has been artificially filled for many years. I have worked for 2 companies that went bust without being able to pay their last wages and received only a fraction of what I was owed each time - eventually - and no-one in rival companies offered to pay my wages!!!

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Re: Bolton

Post by Sausage » Wed May 22, 2019 4:06 pm

ecc wrote:I think our club and other local clubs should follow Preston's lead and help pay the staff.
Why should other football clubs pay them?
Why not ask BP or Shell to pay them? After all, they turn over £billions compared to our mere £millions.
As the hotel is in administration too, perhaps Travelodge, Premier Inn and other hotel operators could pay the staff of the Bolton Whites Hotel.
While we're playing Santa Claus, let's pay Bury's staff too. And Macclesfield's. Notts County could do with a bob or two. Accrington could do with a new pitch, so let's give them some cash too.
Or perhaps BFC could make a donation to the 1,000-odd people made jobless by Jamie Oliver's restaurants going pear-shaped.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Spijed » Wed May 22, 2019 4:08 pm

ecc wrote:I think our club and other local clubs should follow Preston's lead and help pay the staff.
I agree. Perhaps we should get some other mug to pay for our corner stands, bit like Leicester did with their ground!

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Re: Bolton

Post by Goobs » Wed May 22, 2019 5:18 pm

Spijed wrote:I agree. Perhaps we should get some other mug to pay for our corner stands, bit like Leicester did with their ground!
Or we could try and ensure Burnley wins the next Olympics :D

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Re: Bolton

Post by Long Time Lurker » Wed May 22, 2019 5:23 pm

ecc wrote:I think our club and other local clubs should follow Preston's lead and help pay the staff.
I think we should help them out by taking their best young players off their hands for minimal compensation payments.

It might sound harsh, but when it comes to competitive football finance, charity begins and ends at home.

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It wasn't long ago that Bolton demonstrated their local solidarity by stealing away Owen Coyle and all of our backroom staff. A kick in the nuts that got us relegated. In hindsight, taking Coyle did us a huge favour and marked the beginning of their downward journey, but they certainly weren't looking to help us out.
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Re: Bolton

Post by ClaretTony » Wed May 22, 2019 7:30 pm

ecc wrote:I think our club and other local clubs should follow Preston's lead and help pay the staff.
Don’t think any clubs have done that although one club, believed to be Preston, sent Asda & Sainsbury’s vouchers.

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Re: Bolton

Post by DAVETHEVICAR » Wed May 22, 2019 10:14 pm

Administrators have set fee for club at £25m which includes 2 year running costs to satisfy EFL to sanction

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Re: Bolton

Post by RammyClaret61 » Wed May 22, 2019 10:43 pm

DAVETHEVICAR wrote:Administrators have set fee for club at £25m which includes 2 year running costs to satisfy EFL to sanction

Is the “m” a typo? ;)
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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:57 pm

With Administrators due to name the new owners later this week and another High Court appearance scheduled too - this is an interesting refresh

https://nickigoeconsultancy.co.uk/blogs ... nistration" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (warning the site is not secure - like this board)

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Re: Bolton

Post by ecc » Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:11 pm

ecc wrote:
I think our club and other local clubs should follow Preston's lead and help pay the staff.


"May I ask why ?"

Yes, you may. Because the money we're talking about (to pay the Bolton staff) is almost certainly very little to the money we get from being in the PL. If, as rumoured, PNE are helping then I think (but I realise most people will disagree) BFC should also help the unpaid staff at a local club. It's not the staff's fault they're going unpaid and they are not a direct competitor.

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Re: Bolton

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:14 pm

Preston have not paid anyone. They sent them vouchers to spend at Asda & Sainsbury's.

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Re: Bolton

Post by ecc » Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:19 pm

Which is helping them, is it not, Tony?

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Re: Bolton

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:23 pm

ecc wrote:Which is helping them, is it not, Tony?
It is, as is a number of supporter organisations across the NW who have been dropping off very large food parcels. The same will be happening at Bury soon the way things are looking.

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Re: Bolton

Post by ecc » Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:08 pm

The situation at Bury is even worse from what I can see. Their players and football staff have been an absolute credit to the club and town.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:25 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Don’t think any clubs have done that although one club, believed to be Preston, sent Asda & Sainsbury’s vouchers.
Everton sent a weeks wages for all non playing staff and various clubs have stocked the food bank I believe.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Vegas Claret » Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:38 pm

I would think the last club Bolton would expect to help would be us given what they did, **** em

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Re: Bolton

Post by bfcjg » Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:38 pm

ecc wrote:ecc wrote:
I think our club and other local clubs should follow Preston's lead and help pay the staff.


"May I ask why ?"

Yes, you may. Because the money we're talking about (to pay the Bolton staff) is almost certainly very little to the money we get from being in the PL. If, as rumoured, PNE are helping then I think (but I realise most people will disagree) BFC should also help the unpaid staff at a local club. It's not the staff's fault they're going unpaid and they are not a direct competitor.
Should McDonalds now pay the wages of the staff of the Jamie Oliver restaurants that have not been paid as they to are not a direct competitor ? Its like trying to give Bruce Forsyth the kiss of life, they are where they are its up to the staff to get benefits and seek other jobs, harsh but that is life.

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Re: Bolton

Post by ElectroClaret » Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:46 pm

If we're gonna start dishing out philanthropic largesse to people in need, let's make sure the Burnley
food banks are well stocked first.

No doubt donors in Bolton will take care of their own.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Mon Jun 03, 2019 7:46 pm

ecc wrote:The situation at Bury is even worse from what I can see. Their players and football staff have been an absolute credit to the club and town.
https://twitter.com/neiltheshaker/statu ... 0816024576" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Collections starting for their staff now

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Re: Bolton

Post by Blackrod » Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:17 pm

ecc wrote:ecc wrote:
I think our club and other local clubs should follow Preston's lead and help pay the staff.


"May I ask why ?"

Yes, you may. Because the money we're talking about (to pay the Bolton staff) is almost certainly very little to the money we get from being in the PL. If, as rumoured, PNE are helping then I think (but I realise most people will disagree) BFC should also help the unpaid staff at a local club. It's not the staff's fault they're going unpaid and they are not a direct competitor.
No we shouldn’t.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:04 pm

On the day that Bolton's Administrators are to announce a short-list of approved suitors (I find it amazing that there is a list) - Laurence Bassini raises his head above the parapet again to say he has £30m to put into the club and the Administration is illegal

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/1 ... at-bolton/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:23 pm

meanwhile - the players and staff continue to suffer hardships

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/1 ... ay-issues/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:15 pm

from @MarcIsles of the Bolton News


@MarcIles
7 minutes ago


SIX bidders being considered by Wanderers' administrators. And a decision on course to be made on the outstanding offer by this time next week. Boom. #bwfc

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Re: Bolton

Post by Dark Cloud » Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:20 pm

Chester Perry wrote:On the day that Bolton's Administrators are to announce a short-list of approved suitors (I find it amazing that there is a list) - Laurence Bassini raises his head above the parapet again to say he has £30m to put into the club and the Administration is illegal

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/1 ... at-bolton/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That's because he's a publicity seeking fantasist who has also asserted that the moon is definitely made of cheese (fact), probably reads "space adventure" comics sitting on the toilet and has a small boy's outlook on life in general whilst being trapped in a grown man's body. (And I'm no shrink!)

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:24 pm

apparently the hotel isn't part of these bids - that aspect of the business is with a different set of administrators presumably because the Davis family have no financial link to it and it was they who called the admin on the club - this is what can happen when you hive off part of your club into a separate company.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:56 pm

Marc Isles has now written a short article for his paper

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/1 ... next-week/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:43 pm

Selection of new owners has been made

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/1 ... ship-race/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

official statement

https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2019/june/s ... wanderers/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

speculation is that it is the Football Ventures group that have been pursuing the club all year

https://twitter.com/reluctantnicko/stat ... 6242723840" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Bolton

Post by Cleveleys_claret » Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:17 pm

Celtic in talks with the adminstrators regards a move for Luka Connell

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:30 pm

Cleveleys_claret wrote:Celtic in talks with the adminstrators regards a move for Luka Connell
They can get him for about £270k if he goes in this country it will be significantly more

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Re: Bolton

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:18 pm

Chester Perry wrote:They can get him for about £270k if he goes in this country it will be significantly more
Didn’t Rangers do this with the two Accrington players - Windass and Crooks?

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Re: Bolton

Post by randomclaret2 » Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:20 pm

Bolton have also said today that they only have 14 Full time Pros or 3rd Year scholars on their books

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Re: Bolton

Post by ClaretTony » Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:42 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Bolton have also said today that they only have 14 Full time Pros or 3rd Year scholars on their books
They’ve given some young players a 3rd year scholarship as we’ve done with a couple. The new owners will be confirmed tomorrow, they’ve got some major work to do.
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Re: Bolton

Post by claretburns » Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:17 am

ClaretTony wrote:Didn’t Rangers do this with the two Accrington players - Windass and Crooks?
Isn't it significantly cheaper for a player to move on a "free" outside the country he currently plays in? I think it is true that Ings was linked with a Spanish club for around 200k before going to Liverpool?

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Re: Bolton

Post by Longside4evr » Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:03 am

Yer Moyes was trying to steel him

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Re: Bolton

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:12 am

claretburns wrote:Isn't it significantly cheaper for a player to move on a "free" outside the country he currently plays in? I think it is true that Ings was linked with a Spanish club for around 200k before going to Liverpool?
We put domestic rules in place for when a player under 23 moves from one club to another at the end of his contract which entitles the club he’s leaving to a compensation fee. If the clubs can’t come to an agreement then it goes to a tribunal.

But if the player moves to a club in another country it is a minimal amount as set by FIFA.

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Re: Bolton

Post by randomclaret2 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:18 am

Of the 14 on the books at Bolton 2 are goalkeepers and apparently only 8 of them have made a first team appearance

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Sat Jun 29, 2019 7:35 pm

Administrators confirm heads of terms agreed with preferred bidders - who will be named on Monday

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48812790" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:03 pm

Administrators have named the preferred bidders as Football Ventures

https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2019/july/s ... wanderers/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

apparently Bassini talking about going to the High Court to block the sale

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/1 ... id-status/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Bolton

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:06 pm

Chester Perry wrote:Administrators have named the preferred bidders as Football Ventures

https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2019/july/s ... wanderers/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

apparently Bassini talking about going to the High Court to block the sale

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/1 ... id-status/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Looks like Football Ventures (whites) was created in January this year :?:

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Re: Bolton

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:16 pm

Nevermind, I've done some mooching about.

Bloke called Michael James is the front man, net worth of £10 million ish apparently, they've been chatting about him on some Bolton forum earlier this year, when he was previously linked.

They've somehow managed to connect him with the owner of Home Bargains who's worth a few billion and they'd like him to be the money man naturally.

Going to be interesting to see how this pans out.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:17 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Looks like Football Ventures (whites) was created in January this year :?:
They tried to buy earlier in the year - Anderson kept changing the terms so they backed off knowing admin was inevitable

The Bassini thing is more interesting - he together with some local businessmen offered to pay off all debts on buying the club over the weekend - Administrators turned them down - key phrase in their statement re Football Ventures was "have shown absolute proof of funds"

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Re: Bolton

Post by Dark Cloud » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:18 pm

Chester Perry wrote:Administrators have named the preferred bidders as Football Ventures

https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2019/july/s ... wanderers/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

apparently Bassini talking about going to the High Court to block the sale

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/1 ... id-status/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Bassini had his chance well before everyone else and he blew it, largely because he couldn't produce any credible proof of funds, largely because he hasn't actually got any funds. (Just a big mouth and an even bigger ego...which can only take you so far, even in football!!) I'm no great lover of Bolton, but I hope this deal comes off because rather like the Blackpool fiasco, you have to feel sorry for the genuine fans who have been sold down the river and you don't want to see any club forced out of existence, especially due to dodgy/incompetent ownership.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:18 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Nevermind, I've done some mooching about.

Bloke called Michael James is the front man, net worth of £10 million ish apparently, they've been chatting about him on some Bolton forum earlier this year, when he was previously linked.

They've somehow managed to connect him with the owner of Home Bargains who's worth a few billion and they'd like him to be the money man naturally.

Going to be interesting to see how this pans out.
Bolton owe James millions - part of what made the bid so appetising to the administrators

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Re: Bolton

Post by elwaclaret » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:22 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Don’t think any clubs have done that although one club, believed to be Preston, sent Asda & Sainsbury’s vouchers.
Sure it would cause a Tax minefield if clubs start donating wages.... Burnley cannot even get involved with their own players testimonials, let alone start throwing money into private accounts for other clubs to distribute.

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Re: Bolton

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:23 pm

Chester Perry wrote:Bolton owe James millions - part of what made the bid so appetising to the administrators
Makes sense in that respect.

Worth keeping an eye on seeing how this pans out over the next season, financially.

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Re: Bolton

Post by NL Claret » Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:40 pm

Brilliant work by @MarcIles . Former owner, Monaco resident and banned company director Ken Anderson set to get 100% of the £1.6 million via his secured creditor status but North West Ambulance will lose £15,000 and St Johns Ambulance £4,500 of the sums due to them.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:57 pm

Full list of Creditors in this article from Marc Isles

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/1 ... creditors/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Meanwhile it looks like Bolton are going to lose David Wheater to Salford City

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/1 ... ford-city/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

how the mighty have fallen

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