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Re: Bolton

Postby bfcjg » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:09 pm

Chester Perry wrote:you won't find many clubs with a better credit rating than Man Utd - always pay their bankers, who have made nearly £1 billion from them in the last 14 years ( I am very much against leveraged buyouts of that kind by the way, though one of Spurs or Chelsea may be the next to experience it if recent reports are to be believed)

Not sure If suppliers/contractors who work for them would agree. A couple of years ago I was talking to a company who did some car park work for them and another outfit who marked them out. Six months to get paid and they refused to pay bank charges.

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Re: Bolton

Postby GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:21 pm

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bfcjg wrote:Not sure If suppliers/contractors who work for them would agree. A couple of years ago I was talking to a company who did some car park work for them and another outfit who marked them out. Six months to get paid and they refused to pay bank charges.


Tesco's pay their suppliers after a number of months, it isn't just a Utd thing.
Some garages are the same and the BBC also took months, sometimes up to 6, when it owed money to the bloke near me who used to make the unusual cars for Top Gear.

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Re: Bolton

Postby tiger76 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:38 pm

This is great news for Stanley BTW,both Bolton and Bury will start the campaign on -12,gives Accy a real shot of another season in the 3rd tier.

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Re: Bolton

Postby bfcjg » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:59 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:[url][/url]

Tesco's pay their suppliers after a number of months, it isn't just a Utd thing.
Some garages are the same and the BBC also took months, sometimes up to 6, when it owed money to the bloke near me who used to make the unusual cars for Top Gear.

I'm not saying others don't pay on 28 days, I was commenting on United who agreed to pay on 28 days as per the terms on their PO. I don't think the glamour boys in the dressing room would wait six months.

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Re: Bolton

Postby GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:07 pm

bfcjg wrote:I'm not saying others don't pay on 28 days, I was commenting on United who agreed to pay on 28 days as per the terms on their PO. I don't think the glamour boys in the dressing room would wait six months.


Next time add that bit of information then

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Re: Bolton

Postby bfcjg » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:14 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Next time add that bit of information then

Sorry Sir Alex if I touched a nerve.
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Re: Bolton

Postby randomclaret2 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:17 pm

Wont Bolton incur an additional points deduction for failing to fulfil the Brentford fixture ?

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Re: Bolton

Postby GodIsADeeJay81 » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:17 pm

randomclaret2 wrote:Wont Bolton incur an additional points deduction for failing to fulfil the Brentford fixture ?


Is that their first fixture or one from last season?

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Re: Bolton

Postby ecc » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:53 am

As far as I know the EFL have yet to address that issue. But they will have to dock points.

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Re: Bolton

Postby Goobs » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:12 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Is that their first fixture or one from last season?

Last season. They'll be in different leagues next season
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Re: Bolton

Postby GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Jul 19, 2019 8:35 pm

Goobs wrote:Last season. They'll be in different leagues next season


I lose track of what league they're in sometimes :lol:

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Re: Bolton

Postby Chester Perry » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:21 pm

Now forced to call off the friendly with PNE on Tuesday - only have 1 left before season starts and increasingly fewer players left

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/1 ... er-strike/

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Re: Bolton

Postby ElectroClaret » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:39 pm

It's looking desperate. They're surely not going to be in a position to play their first fixture
at Wycombe two weeks today, unless they sort everything out in the next few days?

Hope they sort it out, but not hopeful.

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Re: Bolton

Postby colner » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:48 pm

players leaving and none coming in,no season tickets on sale yet,what a mess

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Re: Bolton

Postby tiger76 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:49 pm

I'm past caring now,this has gone longer than the brexit chaos,just put them out of their misery,the creditors will never get paid anyway.

If football needs a lesson in how not to run a club it's Bolton,hopefully this will act as a wake-up call,but given previous history,Portsmouth,Blackpool,Coventry etc,i wouldn't hold my breath.
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Re: Bolton

Postby Top Claret » Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:51 pm

Poor owd Bowton

Looks like they could be crashing out of the league and will then follow the likes of our dear old friends from Stockport.

I seriously hope they can sort this mess out. I always enjoyed our fixtures and Wanderers are a good old fashioned club like ourselves

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Re: Bolton

Postby bfcjg » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:01 pm

Top Claret wrote:Poor owd Bowton

Looks like they could be crashing out of the league and will then follow the likes of our dear old friends from Stockport.

I seriously hope they can sort this mess out. I always enjoyed our fixtures and Wanderers are a good old fashioned club like ourselves

I think they lost the good old fashioned tag when they moved to Horwich and spent money they didn't have.
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Re: Bolton

Postby Aclaret » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:20 pm

Why don't the Bolton fans just pack it in and come and support us, don't they realise we are at least 10 years ahead of them.

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Re: Bolton

Postby Tricky Trevor » Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:46 pm

Aclaret wrote:Why don't the Bolton fans just pack it in and come and support us, don't they realise we are at least 10 years ahead of them.

Shhh!!!

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Re: Bolton

Postby elwaclaret » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:11 pm

Really liked Burnden Park, then they put the supermarket up....

The Reebok was certainly ambitious, but the feeling is not the same.
Seems almost ironic now....I would walk five hundred miles Edmundson holding them up to be emulated by us.

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Re: Bolton

Postby Aclaret » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:16 pm

elwaclaret wrote:Really liked Burnden Park, then they put the supermarket up....

The Reebok was certainly ambitious, but the feeling is not the same.
Seems almost ironic now....I would walk five hundred miles Edmundson holding them up to be emulated by us.

Burnden Park had a great atmosphere and was certainly a dodgy one in the late 70s,especially on a night match making your way back to the train station.

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Re: Bolton

Postby jedi_master » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:48 pm

Don’t care.

I hope they enjoy their memories of paying the likes of Jay Jay Okocha and Ivan Campo 50 grand a week and know that it led them to ruin.

Bitter about Coyle? No, very much over that. I have had the pleasure of their fans company many times and not a good experience once. Football needs a club to go bust to look at itself in the mirror when you see City buying 16 year olds for £8m - I can think of none better than this lot.
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Re: Bolton

Postby ClaretTony » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:03 pm

jedi_master wrote:Football needs a club to go bust to look at itself in the mirror when you see City buying 16 year olds for £8m - I can think of none better than this lot.


Oh I can think of one better at least. I’ve not much I can add about the situation at Bolton other than for us all to look at it very closely and then consider our club.

I get as frustrated as anyone else when I think we might have had a better window but just imagine if we were in this state right now. I’d much rather we have it the way it is than risk the possibility of being in this terrible state.
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Re: Bolton

Postby dpinsussex » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:08 pm

20 years now isnt it ? :)

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Re: Bolton

Postby tiger76 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:17 pm

jedi_master wrote:Don’t care.

I hope they enjoy their memories of paying the likes of Jay Jay Okocha and Ivan Campo 50 grand a week and know that it led them to ruin.

Bitter about Coyle? No, very much over that. I have had the pleasure of their fans company many times and not a good experience once. Football needs a club to go bust to look at itself in the mirror when you see City buying 16 year olds for £8m - I can think of none better than this lot.
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Spot on jm,Portsmouth did exactly the same under happy Arry,100k a week for Sol Campbell,to name just one,and then when it went tits up,they expected sympathy,no flippin chance you reap what you sow,this shows why it's precarious to rely on one individual bankrolling any club,or writing off debts,sooner or later the s**t hits the fan,i wouldn't mind but even when they went down to League 1 in 2016-17,they still had a crazy wage bill,no wonder they bounced straight back,clearly these costs weren't sustainable hence why they are in such a mess now,the warning lights have been flashing for several years,and despite this they splashed the cash,hell mend them,the true fans will stick with them even if they have to restart at the bottom of the league pyramid,the glory hunters will no doubt return to their PL darlings,Man Utd,Liverpool et al.

And really what did they achieve,they had a decent run in the Europa League for a couple of seasons,but beyond that they haven't got much of a legacy for the hundreds of millions thrown at all those big name signings.

If they survive this crisis,they'll kick off in the same division as Accrington Stanley (who are they),Fleetwood(at least they'll get to visit Highbury) and Rochdale,they are ultimately no better off league wise than the late 1980's.

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Re: Bolton

Postby elwaclaret » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:33 pm

jedi_master wrote:Don’t care.

I hope they enjoy their memories of paying the likes of Jay Jay Okocha and Ivan Campo 50 grand a week and know that it led them to ruin.

Bitter about Coyle? No, very much over that. I have had the pleasure of their fans company many times and not a good experience once. Football needs a club to go bust to look at itself in the mirror when you see City buying 16 year olds for £8m - I can think of none better than this lot.


I can and funnily enough on Bolton Road.

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Re: Bolton

Postby bfcjg » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:33 pm

Sums the ego of the man who started the decline.
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2557/ne ... fans-made-
Below is as brutal and honest an assessment of a useless manager I have ever read.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp
They must rue the day they bombarded Claretsmad with gloating posts.

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Re: Bolton

Postby evensteadiereddie » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:37 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Oh I can think of one better at least. I’ve not much I can add about the situation at Bolton other than for us all to look at it very closely and then consider our club.

I get as frustrated as anyone else when I think we might have had a better window but just imagine if we were in this state right now. I’d much rather we have it the way it is than risk the possibility of being in this terrible state.


Absolutely. Frustrating as our transfer dealings may be to some Clarets, at least if and when we do get relegated, we will be in a decent position on and off the pitch.

We should be grateful to Bolton for showing 80 or so League clubs exactly how not to operate. Serves 'em right.

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Re: Bolton

Postby gandhisflipflop » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:51 pm

I completely disagree. You arnt taking into account the ever increasing inflation in the market. Our money could
just see us ok when we go down at this rate.

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Re: Bolton

Postby evensteadiereddie » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:30 pm

Im sure the financial brains at the club are prepared for our relegation, if and when it comes, and have planned accordingly.
Christ, if we feel the pinch, there'll only be four or five teams left in the Championship.

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Re: Bolton

Postby GodIsADeeJay81 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:53 pm

bfcjg wrote:Sums the ego of the man who started the decline.
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2557/ne ... fans-made-
Below is as brutal and honest an assessment of a useless manager I have ever read.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indepe ... html%3famp
They must rue the day they bombarded Claretsmad with gloating posts.



The decline started well before Coyle took over.
He was just the final nail in their PL coffin, because they'd been in a steady decline for a number of seasons.

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Re: Bolton

Postby fatboy47 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 11:01 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:Absolutely. Frustrating as our transfer dealings may be to some Clarets, at least if and when we do get relegated, we will be in a decent position on and off the pitch.

We should be grateful to Bolton for showing 80 or so League clubs exactly how not to operate. Serves 'em right.


We will be in a good position if (big if) ..the big sums of money we've pulled in and not squandered on players, the club infrastructure or the stadium are still around in the coffers of BFC...money can vanish, and often does.

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Re: Bolton

Postby tim_noone » Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:39 am

fatboy47 wrote:We will be in a good position if (big if) ..the big sums of money we've pulled in and not squandered on players, the club infrastructure or the stadium are still around in the coffers of BFC...money can vanish, and often does.
No Doubt The crime free Channel Islands Has a few Bob stashed Away! ;)
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Re: Bolton

Postby ecc » Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:27 am

David N'Gog on £35k a week. :shock:

Now plying his "trade" (or not) in Hungary after guest star appearances for Ross County (yes).

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Re: Bolton

Postby ecc » Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:10 pm

Blackpool did better (thus far) than Bolton.

"Blackpool manager Jose Riga revealed he only had nine players eligible on the morning of their Championship season opener against Nottingham Forest." (09/08/2014)

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/28724446

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Re: Bolton

Postby Chester Perry » Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:06 pm

Administrators of the club and hotel likely to get around £1.5m by the time everything is over, possibly (probably) more. Detail emerging on the creditors to the hotel and they are going to fare much worse than the ones for the club it seems

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/1 ... ost-1-45m/

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Re: Bolton

Postby RammyClaret61 » Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:46 pm

How can one company lend £1.2m to another company. Then that company lend £700k to the original company? When both companies are broke? :?:
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Re: Bolton

Postby Tricky Trevor » Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:43 pm

If Bolton & Bury go to the wall it will affect the end of next season.
Only two relegated?
Six promoted?
What will happen to Div 2 playoffs?
If it isn’t already these decisions should be sorted before a ball is kicked.

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Re: Bolton

Postby tiger76 » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:03 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:If Bolton & Bury go to the wall it will affect the end of next season.
Only two relegated?
Six promoted?
What will happen to Div 2 playoffs?
If it isn’t already these decisions should be sorted before a ball is kicked.


Totally agree why should the rest of the league suffer,also once the fixtures start teams will have points on the board,which they could see disappear later in the season,it's possible that could be the difference in promotion/relegation issues,and any play-off placings.

This farce is becoming ridiculous now,neither Bolton or Bury can even field an 11 for heavens sake,how can they embark on a full league campaign.

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Re: Bolton

Postby Chester Perry » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:07 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:If Bolton & Bury go to the wall it will affect the end of next season.
Only two relegated?
Six promoted?
What will happen to Div 2 playoffs?
If it isn’t already these decisions should be sorted before a ball is kicked.



2 down and 4 up - that bit is pretty straightforward

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Re: Bolton

Postby DAVETHEVICAR » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:10 pm

There is no chance of either going to wall

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Re: Bolton

Postby Blackrod » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:21 pm

Won’t go to the wall. Will get bought for £1 and reform as ‘The’ Bury FC or ‘The’ Bolton Wanderers FC.

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Re: Bolton

Postby Spijed » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:22 pm

DAVETHEVICAR wrote:There is no chance of either going to wall


Shame as it'll means more clubs know they can get away with over spending.

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Re: Bolton

Postby ClaretTony » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:24 pm

Tricky Trevor wrote:If Bolton & Bury go to the wall it will affect the end of next season.
Only two relegated?
Six promoted?
What will happen to Div 2 playoffs?
If it isn’t already these decisions should be sorted before a ball is kicked.


With the league now officially in place, if either or both of them don't fulfill their fixtures they will be placed at the bottom and, in effect, take one of the relegation places. So only two others would be relegated with four going up. Then, of course, they have to work it out right down the pyramid.

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Re: Bolton

Postby Top Claret » Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:00 pm

Blackrod wrote:Won’t go to the wall. Will get bought for £1 and reform as ‘The’ Bury FC or ‘The’ Bolton Wanderers FC.



Bolton should reform as wanky wanky wanderers
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Re: Bolton

Postby Asbury Park » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:33 pm

They've had another friendly cancelled, this time against Oldham.

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Re: Bolton

Postby Chester Perry » Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:50 pm

Asbury Park wrote:They've had another friendly cancelled, this time against Oldham.


none left then - just one played this pre-season and that was mostly kids - grim times

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Re: Bolton

Postby bfcjg » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:15 pm

Asbury Park wrote:They've had another friendly cancelled, this time against Oldham.

When the likes of Oldham of all people are concerned about your financial plight you really are up sh!r creek.

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Re: Bolton

Postby GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:21 pm

bfcjg wrote:When the likes of Oldham of all people are concerned about your financial plight you really are up sh!r creek.


Is it Oldham that's cancelled it or the players on strike still?

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Re: Bolton

Postby bfcjg » Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:22 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Is it Oldham that's cancelled it or the players on strike still?

Oldham cancelled as they don't think Bolton will turn up.


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