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Re: Bolton

Post by nil_desperandum » Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:10 am

scouseclaret wrote:Can’t really see how this would work either. How can a club operate at all without their only revenue stream - ie staging football matches? Both clubs would inevitably fold anyway, and why should they be allowed to be “reborn” in League 2 after missing an entire season of fixtures?
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But they can't afford the staff and expenses to stage home games, and don't get revenue from away games.
If they are suspended till next season it gives them 6 months to try to sort out their finances with "new money" , sponsorship deals, loans etc. In the meantime they'd have minimum outgoings.
Why would they inevitably fold? I don't think it's an irretrievable situation at Bury. The current owner appears to be the main issue. Bolton is a far bigger club and problem but could also be sorted within 6 months.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Bfc » Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:30 am

Scenario.
The EFL held a meeting at which they discussed Item 1, The penalty to be given against Bolton for failing to fulfill their fixture against Brentford. The Chairman replied “ that’s a difficult one to answer. Firstly which team should we give the penalty to and in what minute of the game should it be awarded”.

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Re: Bolton

Post by scouseclaret » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:13 am

nil_desperandum wrote:But they can't afford the staff and expenses to stage home games, and don't get revenue from away games.
If they are suspended till next season it gives them 6 months to try to sort out their finances with "new money" , sponsorship deals, loans etc. In the meantime they'd have minimum outgoings.
Why would they inevitably fold? I don't think it's an irretrievable situation at Bury. The current owner appears to be the main issue. Bolton is a far bigger club and problem but could also be sorted within 6 months.
You’re talking about an entire season with the clubs having to cover basic overheads - heating, lighting, admin staff, possibly some retained playing staff, ground staff etc. - without any offsetting income at all. The debts are just going to balloon even more. Who is going to fund them during his non-season?

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Re: Bolton

Post by Tricky Trevor » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:23 am

Just keep the mantra. “10years....10years” and thank the board for looking after our baby so we can see it grow.

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Re: Bolton

Post by claretburns » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:26 am

Am I right in saying Bury's fate will be decided on this Friday?

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Re: Bolton

Post by nil_desperandum » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:28 am

scouseclaret wrote:You’re talking about an entire season with the clubs having to cover basic overheads - heating, lighting, admin staff, possibly some retained playing staff, ground staff etc. - without any offsetting income at all. The debts are just going to balloon even more. Who is going to fund them during his non-season?
Most of those overheads will disappear if the club effectively doesn't exist for a few months, but to get back to the point I was making.
Fixtures are not a significant revenue streams for Bolton, and certainly don't address their current predicament.
They apparently had 2,000 fans at their last away game but they don't make a penny profit out of that, it just costs them money. And they can't even afford to pay police bills, staff etc for home fixtures.
Basically, I'm pretty sure that they will lose less money on a weekly basis by effectively being mothballed than they are at present. But in any case their suspension from the league is so as not to distort the league and upset all the other teams - not for Bolton's benefit.
The alternative is that they just kick Bolton out completely. I'm sure they'd prefer to be given automatic relegation and a 6 months period to try to get their house in order rather than being booted out now.

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Re: Bolton

Post by tim_noone » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:56 am

Maybe they need to go through the league system again Like Wimbledon ...and Rangers.

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Re: Bolton

Post by tiger76 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:00 am

tim_noone wrote:Maybe they need to go through the league system again Like Wimbledon ...and Rangers.
That's one option open to them,because as things stand they could be a non-league club in a couple of years anyway.

At least if they can start again at the bottom of the pyramid,but be debt-free it allows the club to grow again.

The major problem would be a lack of infrastructure,i.e ground etc,they've already sold their training ground to Wigan.

I suppose in the short-term they could potentially ground share,until they got suitable facilities,but where's the investment coming from?.

You can't compare them to Rangers,as Rangers kept their ground and training complex,also Rangers has a huge fanbase.

The Wimbledon comparison is more apt,and there is definitely the case for a new club emerging from this chaos.
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Re: Bolton

Post by No Ney Never » Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:14 am

Once all this mess is over, if Bolton's revenue stream says they can only afford to be a non/lower league club, then that's where they ought to be. Same as AFC Wimbledon, FC United of Manchester, AFC Haliax, etc. And so too Bury, whatever becomes of them.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Falcon » Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:42 am

If BWFC folded then AFC Bolton Wanderers (or whatever the phoenix club would be called) starting again in non-league would naturally rise back up to their natural position eventually just by dint of having the fanbase. Getting 5 figure gates in non-league they'd be able to spend their way back quite easily (and offer each of the other teams in the division a big pay day for their fixture with them akin to a good FA Cup tie).

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Re: Bolton

Post by scouseclaret » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:10 pm

Which is why I think they should just get on with it, rather than the league bending over backwards and breaking their own rules and compromising their own competition in order to delay the inevitable.
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Re: Bolton

Post by NL Claret » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:39 pm

tiger76 wrote:That's one option open to them,because as things stand they could be a non-league club in a couple of years anyway.

At least if they can start again at the bottom of the pyramid,but be debt-free it allows the club to grow again.

The major problem would be a lack of infrastructure,i.e ground etc,they've already sold their training ground to Wigan.

I suppose in the short-term they could potentially ground share,until they got suitable facilities,but where's the investment coming from?.

You can't compare them to Rangers,as Rangers kept their ground and training complex,also Rangers has a huge fanbase.

The Wimbledon comparison is more apt,and there is definitely the case for a new club emerging from this chaos.
Regards to the training ground, they still have one at Lostock. Euxton was sold to Wigan.

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Re: Bolton

Post by ClaretTony » Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:33 pm

NL Claret wrote:Regards to the training ground, they still have one at Lostock. Euxton was sold to Wigan.
The one at Lostock is the Eddie Davies Academy and was used by all but the first team squad. They were at Euxton, the site that Wigan bought. All of the Bolton teams are now at Lostock.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:49 pm

Couldn't believe this when I saw this

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/1 ... es-bolton/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

thought this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hamKl-su8PE" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

but more likely to be a lynching

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:53 pm

a report from Bassini's visit to Horwich tonight

https://lionofviennasuite.sbnation.com/ ... ce=twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Bolton

Post by burnmark » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:40 pm

Parkinson has just resigned

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Re: Bolton

Post by midlander63 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:42 pm

Chester Perry wrote:a report from Bassini's visit to Horwich tonight

https://lionofviennasuite.sbnation.com/ ... ce=twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Surprised there haven’t been more comments on this post
Just read the article from the link - comedy gold!

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Re: Bolton

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:47 pm

burnmark wrote:Parkinson has just resigned
You have to be surprised that he’s stayed as long as he has

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Re: Bolton

Post by bfcjg » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:48 pm

Manager quitting must really spell the end is coming.

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Re: Bolton

Post by ElectroClaret » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:51 pm

Unsurprising. There's hardly any players left for him to manage.

He was in a preposterous position.

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Re: Bolton

Post by wilks_bfc » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:51 pm

midlander63 wrote:Surprised there haven’t been more comments on this post
Just read the article from the link - comedy gold!
There’s got to be a video of that somewhere

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Re: Bolton

Post by ClaretTony » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:52 pm

Parkinson said the timing of his decision was based on the hope a new manager (via new ownership) can come in and invest in the squad

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Re: Bolton

Post by FCBurnley » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:59 pm

Glad I won’t be around in 10 years to see this happening to my beloved Burnley. Bolton are reaping what they sowed and I have zero sympathy for them except maybe for some of the staff who will lose their jobs through no fault of their own.

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Re: Bolton

Post by theroyaldyche » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:04 pm

Who would want to take over there now?

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Re: Bolton

Post by Pimlico_Claret » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:14 pm

theroyaldyche wrote:Who would want to take over there now?
Mr 'Ten years ahead' of course :lol:

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Re: Bolton

Post by Colburn_Claret » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:21 pm

FCBurnley wrote:Glad I won’t be around in 10 years to see this happening to my beloved Burnley. Bolton are reaping what they sowed and I have zero sympathy for them except maybe for some of the staff who will lose their jobs through no fault of their own.
Isnt the 10 years up next year

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Re: Bolton

Post by theroyaldyche » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:24 pm

Pimlico_Claret wrote:Mr 'Ten years ahead' of course :lol:
Coyle?

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Re: Bolton

Post by gandhisflipflop » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:26 pm

Good, **** em. They were happy enough to gloat when we lost coyle insisting that the Burnley fans comments regarding their finances was just sour grapes. Well Bolton Wanderers you reap what you sow. Implode and take the barstewerds with you.
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Re: Bolton

Post by wilks_bfc » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:26 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:Isnt the 10 years up next year
5 January
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Re: Bolton

Post by Pimlico_Claret » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:27 pm

theroyaldyche wrote:Coyle?
Obviously. I think he's brass necked enough to put himself forward as the new saviour, a sort of second coming, he's quite religious ya know.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Alanstevensonsgloves » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:34 pm

Falcon wrote:If BWFC folded then AFC Bolton Wanderers (or whatever the phoenix club would be called).
How about 'Phoenix Knights'?!

Think about it.....

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Re: Bolton

Post by FCBurnley » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:43 pm

One Eddie Davis there’s only 1 Eddie Davis

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Re: Bolton

Post by FCBurnley » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:45 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:Isnt the 10 years up next year
Er well maybe I will make it then haha

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Re: Bolton

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:03 pm

ClaretTony wrote:You have to be surprised that he’s stayed as long as he has
It takes some bottle to stay on a sinking ship, especially one that has been lying on the bottom of the ocean so long :lol:

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Re: Bolton

Post by Tricky Trevor » Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:07 pm

Ten Years After came to mind. How about this for them. Help me.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lswhcutrRlA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Bolton

Post by EarbyClaret » Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:43 pm

RalphCoatesComb wrote: It takes some bottle to stay on a sinking ship, especially one that has been lying on the bottom of the ocean so long
Bolton are effectively a footballing Titanic and Phil Parkinson has finally got fed-up of re-arranging the deck chairs. You sense his presence gave a semblance of order and professionalism about the place. This could be the final nail in the coffin.

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Re: Bolton

Post by gawthorpe_view » Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:00 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote:Isnt the 10 years up next year

Nah it's a rolling contract.

A running gag.

And a gift that keeps on giving.
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Re: Bolton

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:23 pm

gawthorpe_view wrote:Nah it's a rolling contract.

A running gag.

And a gift that keeps on giving.
There are some things in life that you regret having said, like "I do" ;)

I'm guessing SuBo has cold sweats over his "10-years ahead" diatribe :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Bolton

Post by Wembley09 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:39 pm

The Lincoln manager had a rant about Bolton after their game last night, he was really not happy with Bolton.. can't blame him to be honest.


“Darren Moore's side were due to play Bolton last night, however the game was cancelled on Monday with The Trotters expressing concerns over the welfare of their young playing squad.
And Cowley has launched a lengthy rant over the involvement of the EFL with Rovers enjoying a week break from League One action, compared to The Imps' three, who suffered their defeat of the season at MK Dons last night.


"It’s a huge disadvantage for us, there’s no hiding place from that, and no doubt Darren Moore (the Doncaster manager) was here watching us (at MK Dons),” Cowley told Lincolnshire Live.

“They’ve now had a free week while we’ve played five games this month so far. We’ve got nine games in a month and we’ve only got 18 players and have two long-term injuries.

“So what do I do on Friday? Do I cancel the game and let everyone know by social media?

“I’m perplexed and I’m disappointed by the EFL, I do genuinely feel sorry for Bolton and Bury. But I’m frustrated and annoyed that the EFL have allowed it to get to this stage, we saw Bolton do a similar thing last season for the match against Brentford."

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Re: Bolton

Post by Stan Tastic » Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:14 pm

Thought I'd see exactly what Coyle said when he left.
Owen Coyle, freshly installed as the manager of Bolton Wanderers, has defended his decision to leave Burnley for a club in the relegation zone and described his new employers as "five or 10 years ahead" of the club he has left behind.

Burnley continue to search for Coyle's replacement, with the Doncaster manager Sean O'Driscoll due to be interviewed tomorrow. The former Sheffield Wednesday manager Brian Laws, who lost his job at Hillsborough last month, is also on the shortlist, having already been spoken to twice. Initial contact has also been made with Leeds United's Simon Grayson.

Coyle said he left Turf Moor with a "heavy heart" and described it as "horrible" to go on bad terms but he strongly denied that he had been disloyal or economical with the truth, having initially stated he was not interested in replacing Gary Megson. "I may have been evasive but I'd rather be evasive than tell anybody a lie," he said. "The local newspaper in Burnley had a front page with a headline that said 'Betrayed'. If that's how people want to portray it, that's up to them. But I can look in the mirror and know that I haven't told a lie throughout the whole thing.

"Ultimately I can understand that people are hurt and disappointed. It's such an emotional game and there was nobody more emotional than me about leaving the club last week. But I had to take the emotion out of it and make a decision for football reasons.

"I'll always love that football club but this is an unbelievable opportunity for me. In terms of Manchester United and Chelsea, this is not a huge club. But it has parity with the rest of the established Premier League clubs. In terms of the infrastructure and the academy and the training ground and the budget, it is up there. Everything I want in a football club is here. The best way to put it is that this is probably five or 10 years ahead of what we were trying to achieve at Burnley."

Bolton are currently in the relegation zone, two points behind Burnley, but Coyle has been told there is money ­available this month to help get them out of trouble. He said it was a "kneejerk reaction" to ­suggest he had gone to Bolton to enhance his own salary. "I've never been motivated by ­personal money in my life," he said.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... rs-burnley

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Re: Bolton

Post by Colburn_Claret » Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:38 pm

Stan Tastic wrote:Thought I'd see exactly what Coyle said when he left.



https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... rs-burnley
Such a pity there isnt a comments list at the bottom of the story.
That would have been worth an extra few laughs.

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Re: Bolton

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:11 am

"I may have been evasive but I'd rather be evasive than tell anybody a lie"

Tell that to Sandy, the Klutz who was left to face the media! :o

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Re: Bolton

Post by scouseclaret » Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:25 am

Fair play to Coyle then. In terms of the “infrastructure, academy and training ground” it did take between 5&10 years for us to build ours and them to sell theirs :lol:

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Re: Bolton

Post by box_of_frogs » Thu Aug 22, 2019 6:57 am

Good to see people still can’t get over Coyke leaving.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Woodleyclaret » Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:21 am

Whos Coyke?

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Re: Bolton

Post by Corky » Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:32 am

Given he is a frog he does well to type at all!!!
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Re: Bolton

Post by Dyched » Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:20 am

box_of_frogs wrote:Good to see people still can’t get over Coyke leaving.
Really is quite pathetic isn’t it?!

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Re: Bolton

Post by conyoviejo » Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:24 am

box_of_frogs wrote:Good to see people still can’t get over Coyke leaving.
Probably take about 10 years . ;)

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Re: Bolton

Post by Falcon » Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:58 am

Can't even indulge in a harmless spot of Schadenfreude without being accused of not being 'over' something, pfft.
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Re: Bolton

Post by tiger76 » Thu Aug 22, 2019 10:18 am

Wembley09 wrote:The Lincoln manager had a rant about Bolton after their game last night, he was really not happy with Bolton.. can't blame him to be honest.


“Darren Moore's side were due to play Bolton last night, however the game was cancelled on Monday with The Trotters expressing concerns over the welfare of their young playing squad.
And Cowley has launched a lengthy rant over the involvement of the EFL with Rovers enjoying a week break from League One action, compared to The Imps' three, who suffered their defeat of the season at MK Dons last night.


"It’s a huge disadvantage for us, there’s no hiding place from that, and no doubt Darren Moore (the Doncaster manager) was here watching us (at MK Dons),” Cowley told Lincolnshire Live.

“They’ve now had a free week while we’ve played five games this month so far. We’ve got nine games in a month and we’ve only got 18 players and have two long-term injuries.

“So what do I do on Friday? Do I cancel the game and let everyone know by social media?

“I’m perplexed and I’m disappointed by the EFL, I do genuinely feel sorry for Bolton and Bury. But I’m frustrated and annoyed that the EFL have allowed it to get to this stage, we saw Bolton do a similar thing last season for the match against Brentford."
Can't disagree with anything Cowley says,it's time Bolton were given a deadline to sort their affairs out,

On numerous occasions rumours have surfaced regarding the Bolton takeover,only for them to fall through at the 11th hour.

Bury have until tomorrow and it's not looking promising,but enough's enough now the rest of the League 1 clubs need to know what the playing field is.

You can't have clubs arbitrarily cancelling games with 24 hours notice,who is running the EFL because some of their member clubs seem to have no regard for the authorities and are doing as they wish.

If this behaviour is allowed to continue unchecked the EFL will become even more of a laughing stock then it currently is.

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