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Re: Bolton

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:19 am

nil_desperandum wrote:Not sure whether that stacks up, though I am prepared for you to put me right.
From what I am aware they got a 250 year lease at "nominal" rent for a stadium worth about £110 million* - paid for by you and me (amongst others) along with Manchester council - and have invested about £60 million on local re-generation. So not a bad deal so far.
(*For clarity, they spent about £20 million converting it for football)
And jobs? etc? And people coming to the area? And 60k people a week spending in the area?

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Re: Bolton

Post by claptrappers_union » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:07 am

City’s new youth development and first team training centre – the City Football Academy (CFA) – was today opened by former manager and captain, Tony Book.

The unveiling of the 80–acre regenerated brownfield site, adjacent to the Etihad Stadium and part of the wider 200 acres known as the Etihad Campus, was overseen by Chairman Khaldoon Al Mubarak and the Right Honourable George Osborne, Chancellor of the Exchequer during his visit to the city.

City Chairman Khaldoon Al Mubarak added:

“At the outset of his ownership, back in Autumn 2008, His Highness Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan, set out his vision for the future of Manchester City Football Club. He pledged to bring success on the field and to nurture young talent whilst at the same time remaining proudly rooted to the community in which it resided.

The cornerstone of the future, was a vision for youth development and sustainability; a vision to educate talented young footballers on and off the pitch and to do so in a facility supported by the best coaches and coaching programmes. The vision was underpinned by an unwavering commitment to the regeneration of the local area in both economic and environmental terms.

Today marks the end of six years of extensive research, development and construction involving many, many people. It also marks the beginning of a responsibility to deliver against the opportunities that this Academy now creates for us.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUkz ... 47q2kmQ4n4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Bolton

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:49 am

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... ug-7313788" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Part of their grand plan.

Strange how a country with such a sketchy human rights record is so interested in promoting a good image over here in the UK....
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Re: Bolton

Post by jtv » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:04 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Strange how a country with such a sketchy human rights record is so interested in promoting a good image over here in the UK....
Stranger still how a thread on Bolton has ended up in a debate on Man City!
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Re: Bolton

Post by nil_desperandum » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:30 am

Not doubting that the dubious owners at City have put money into the community, but are you suggesting that it is purely altruistic, or is it an investment, and don't you think they are getting / expecting something in return?
And to repeat they did get a stadium paid for out of public money virtually for free.
(By the way I speak as someone who throughout my years as a Burnley supporter has always had Man City of one of my "other" teams that I look out for, so I've no bias against the club).

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Re: Bolton

Post by dsr » Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:00 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:And jobs? etc? And people coming to the area? And 60k people a week spending in the area?
If they're getting credit for jobs created at the Etihad, remember to knock off the jobs lost at Maine Road.
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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:17 pm

Getting beyond the beyond of farcical now - Bolton Whites Hotel in the High Court on the 17th to face it's own winding up order

https://twitter.com/MarcIles/status/1115949503713087488" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Bolton

Post by claptrappers_union » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:12 pm

dsr wrote:If they're getting credit for jobs created at the Etihad, remember to knock off the jobs lost at Maine Road.
There will be 1000s of new jobs. Where as before it might’ve been a few hundred weekend jobs. You can’t even compare. That side Manchester has been totally transformed since City were taken over.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:35 pm

While the Etihad campus is indeed impressive and gives that troubled part of Manchester employment opportunities - I believe people need to understand the exercise "sports-washing" and "soft-power" that has gone on here given the records with Abu Dhabi - plenty of posts on the subject in the magic money tree thread this year

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Re: Bolton

Post by claretburns » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:47 pm

claptrappers_union wrote:There will be 1000s of new jobs. Where as before it might’ve been a few hundred weekend jobs. You can’t even compare. That side Manchester has been totally transformed since City were taken over.
Let's not forget though the cafe's, bars, pubs, restaurants, shops etc in the area where Maine Road was which would have lost so much income which would result in closure, to say it was a few hundred weekend jobs does not cover it.

By the way, I am not saying the move to The Etihad was right or not or more jobs have been created or not, just saying weekend jobs we're only effected isn't correct.

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Re: Bolton

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:32 am

https://mobile.twitter.com/bbc5live/sta ... gr%5Etweet" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

5 live chatting to Bolton player, Andrew Taylor, about what's going on there.
They're also chatting about it this morning from 9am.

They've already had some on who're blaming Anderson for it all :roll:

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:08 am

apparently Bassini has still not taken the fit and proper test he intimated he had passed 2 weeks ago

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/1 ... lton-sale/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Bolton

Post by claptrappers_union » Mon Apr 15, 2019 1:31 am

Like the article says, he’ll do that once everything is agreed... he’s got history though...

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Re: Bolton

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:54 am

Some great comments on that article, about passing the test.

I like the one about having a pulse = passed :lol:

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Re: Bolton

Post by steve1264b » Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:06 am

This is really a difficult decision for the league. They know Bassini is unsuitable but if he is the only game in town that keeps Bolton as a club going what do they do?

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Re: Bolton

Post by NL Claret » Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:30 am

Not a difficult decision at all, if he's not fit and proper he shouldn’t be able to be the owner. Sets a precedent and if that's the case of just give it to him as he's the only one , then might as well get rid of the fit and proper rule.
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Re: Bolton

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:48 am

steve1264b wrote:This is really a difficult decision for the league. They know Bassini is unsuitable but if he is the only game in town that keeps Bolton as a club going what do they do?
Throw them to the taxman....

If the EFL is just going to keep bending over and allow itself to be shafted by clubs who can't manage their finances then what's the point in things like FFP?

They've set a precedent now by handing over Bolton's money early so they can honour their fixtures.

If they can drag this out until the summer with no sale in sight then the EFL should grow a set and drop them out of the league's and ban them until they get their act together.
That should make some other clubs wake up and take notice.
Same with Birmingham proper taking the ****.

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Re: Bolton

Post by TVC15 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:09 am

I don’t have any sympathy for Bolton but it’s no surprise the league are helping them out.
Loads of clubs have breached FFP rules in the past and many to a greater extent than Bolton when you look at QPR, Leeds and others. Look at what Wolves did last year - they had a team of top European players loaned or bought by the biggest set of dodgy deals from Mendes that the league has ever seen - what was their punishment ? Promotion and a top 10 position in the premier league. How can anything Wolves did not be in breach of rules that are supposed to cover “fair play” ?

And then we get to the likes of Man City, Chelsea, PSG, Real Madrid etc...which I know are governed separately but the magnitude of their financial breaches dwarfs anything Bolton have ever done and these teams just carry on getting away with it....and always will because the authorities know their own gravy train just does not exist without the rich leagues and rich clubs.
What would be the reaction if they tried to deduct points from City, PSG or Real Madrid ? Never going to happen.
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Re: Bolton

Post by gawthorpe_view » Tue Apr 16, 2019 4:00 pm

The on-site hotel, 'Bolton Whites' are the subject of a winding up order at the high court tomorrow morning.
If that goes, the club will be worth even less.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:48 am

You have got to love the delusion - targeted the right person responsible just ignored the timeline of downfall

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/1 ... -chairman/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

though he is right they might be better off in the rugby "Premiership" than the Premier League

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:55 am

And as they continue to avoid paying staff and other creditors it emerges that the EFL believe that they have enough money to see out the season

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/efl-r ... continues/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yet rumours abound that they have until 11 am today to pay the emergency services what they owe or a safe Certificate for the next game v Villa on Friday will be withdrawn

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:09 pm

As the hotel awaits judgement in the high court, players and staff have been told a sale is imminent, Ken has this to say from the US

https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2019/april/ ... chairman4/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:17 pm

inevitably the Hotel Winding up order has been adjourned to coincide with that for the club on May 8th

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Re: Bolton

Post by lesxdp » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:22 pm

That picture looks more like Dean Holdsworth than Anderson.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:36 pm

Deal done with Bassini? I for one am yet to be convinced

https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2019/april/club-statement2/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Bolton

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:08 pm

Still potential for a disaster, so keep watching viewers.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Devils_Advocate » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:16 pm

Hope for the sake of their fans and football in general this financial mess can be sorted and get Bolton back to being about football.

A proper club with a great tradition who as founder members, 4 times FA Cup winners and good local rivals to ourselves share a lot of similarities to us Burnley fans both past and present

Good luck Bolton and fingers crossed over the next few years you will just be a normal football club once again

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Re: Bolton

Post by Corky » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:17 pm

How on earth can a guy like Bassini be allowed to take over Bolton. potential disaster indeed.

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Re: Bolton

Post by DCWat » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:49 pm

Out of the frying pan and into the Furnace!!

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Re: Bolton

Post by ElectroClaret » Wed Apr 17, 2019 4:57 pm

Corky wrote:How on earth can a guy like Bassini be allowed to take over Bolton. potential disaster indeed.
True. Don't have many other options, though, do they Corky? :(
Looks like he's the only game in town.

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Re: Bolton

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:01 pm

Devils_Advocate wrote:Hope for the sake of their fans and football in general this financial mess can be sorted and get Bolton back to being about football.

A proper club with a great tradition who as founder members, 4 times FA Cup winners and good local rivals to ourselves share a lot of similarities to us Burnley fans both past and present

Good luck Bolton and fingers crossed over the next few years you will just be a normal football club once again
Football in general?
They won't be the last club to be ran badly, there's others getting close to the mess Bolton are in, Birmingham being one to start with.
Football in general needs to sort itself out in regards to finances but the governing bodies haven't got the power/guts to do it.

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Re: Bolton

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:02 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:True. Don't have many other options, though, do they Corky? :(
Looks like he's the only game in town.
Yeah the EFL do.
If they decide he isn't fit for purpose, which they won't, then they can stop the sale of the club.

They can also actually monitor and approve all transfers, contract renewals etc.

There's always more options over selling the club to someone not fit for the job.

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Re: Bolton

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:19 pm

Corky wrote:How on earth can a guy like Bassini be allowed to take over Bolton. potential disaster indeed.
It can't end well.

There can't be many assets left but Bassini isn't doing this for the good of his health !

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Re: Bolton

Post by claptrappers_union » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:27 pm

If you have a prospective owner who MIGHT not pass the fit and proper test, then it’s not going to be great is it.

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Re: Bolton

Post by NL Claret » Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:32 am

This couldn't be scripted, the new potential owner has not really looked into the debt, didn't have enough time! 5 year plan to get back in the PL.

This really will make a mockery of the fit and proper test if he gets in.

The murky world of Bolton Wanderers finances.

How much did Davies actually take out of the club? Writing £180m off, who does that? Has Anderson fired a parting shot at the way it was previously run? Well he least he paid his family well whilst he was at Bolton.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:01 am

Bassini will be negotiating with creditors - if he pays all debts in full the full credit to him as all other suitors did not want to.

One thing for sure is - if you are a new owner and repay all outstanding debts for which you were not responsible, it buys you and incredible amount of good will going forward in the community


The key question remains though - just where is he getting this money from - had none relatively speaking a couple of years ago and none of his 3 new businesses have yet filed accounts
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Re: Bolton

Post by The Enclosure » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:11 am

Am really surprised that the Warburton family have not got involved in some way.Probably (certainly) have more business sense I suppose.

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Re: Bolton

Post by ClaretAndJew » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:11 am

The Enclosure wrote:Am really surprised that the Warburton family have not got involved in some way.Probably (certainly) have more business sense I suppose.
I thought it was us that were in to bread?
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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:21 am

Warburton family are one of the primary creditors for Bolton - not shown signs they want to own - what happened under Davies (and Walker family at Rovers) has probably scared them off

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Thu Apr 18, 2019 10:29 pm

The Guardian do absolutely nothing to reassure Bolton fans - while giving lots of background on their prospective new owner

https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... buy-bolton" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Bolton

Post by The Enclosure » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:10 pm

Chester Perry wrote:Warburton family are one of the primary creditors for Bolton - not shown signs they want to own - what happened under Davies (and Walker family at Rovers) has probably scared them off
I think Brett Warburton was a Director of the club at one point but not certain.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Dark Cloud » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:13 pm

Bassini is clearly a fantasist who's wallet is even more empty than his head and his threats. His track record in business and in football is basically appalling and if I was a Bolton fan I'd be very, very scared. As regards him passing the "fit and proper persons test". Should be a piece of cake!

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Re: Bolton

Post by TheFamilyCat » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:19 am

The Enclosure wrote:Am really surprised that the Warburton family have not got involved in some way.Probably (certainly) have more business sense I suppose.
I won’t be getting involved, thanks.

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Re: Bolton

Post by bfcjg » Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:10 am

Bstards could be the team that relegate them. Won't be many Venkys out chants from the fiddlers,perhaps Bolton could chant we want Venkys and they could squabble over them like spoilt brats .

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Fri Apr 19, 2019 1:39 pm

Still not paid wages or got EFL clearance but paid emergency services so game could go ahead today -

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/1 ... -takeover/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:02 pm

relegated after losing 2 - 0 at home to Villa

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Re: Bolton

Post by bfcjg » Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:05 pm

Chester Perry wrote:relegated after losing 2 - 0 at home to Villa
We really need to enjoy the next ten years. :D

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Re: Bolton

Post by NL Claret » Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:08 pm

The Enclosure wrote:I think Brett Warburton was a Director of the club at one point but not certain.
He was a director until recently, might still be. I think he has loaned the club money overtime and could be a creditor who is happy to wait for his cash. He was criticised by some Bolton fans for not putting more cash in, who could blame him knowing their financial predicament. At least with a large away following today some staff might get paid.

Edit - resigned in 2016.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Fri Apr 19, 2019 5:20 pm

Andy holt described the situation perfectly today

The Venkys, Eddie Davies, Ellis Short’s of this world, killed their clubs with love.

They feed their puppy to such an extreme that it dies of reckless obesity.
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Re: Bolton

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:10 pm

bfcjg wrote:We really need to enjoy the next ten years. :D
:lol: :lol: :lol:

"Bas - Sin - I"

Got a certain Division 1 ring to it

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