Bolton

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:24 pm

Chester Perry wrote:Andy holt described the situation perfectly today

The Venkys, Eddie Davies, Ellis Short’s of this world, killed their clubs with love.

They feed their puppy to such an extreme that it dies of reckless obesity.

Yet still football fans don't understand it and constantly demand owners splash the cash, mainly out of their own pocket.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:44 pm

Chester Perry wrote:Andy holt described the situation perfectly today

The Venkys, Eddie Davies, Ellis Short’s of this world, killed their clubs with love.

They feed their puppy to such an extreme that it dies of reckless obesity.

To be fair, Jerome Anderson convinced Venkys to buy a puppy. Then, him and Steve Kean proceeded to kick the living crap out of it. Now Venkys are stumping up for all the vet bills.

randomclaret2 · Post by **randomclaret2** » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:50 pm

The Venkys have plenty of chicken scraps for the dog

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:32 pm

Statement today from the Bolton players:

With deep regret we have decided not to fulfil our remaining fixtures until we are paid. The long running financial crisis at our club has been well documented. As has the fact that we, the playing staff, have yet to receive our March salaries.

Five of our coaching staff are also yet to be paid for March. We have endeavoured to continue our training and playing commitments during this extremely difficult time, with seemingly no resolution in sight.

We have been operating in a near untenable environment for some time and it is the accumulation of these issues that has resulted in our decision.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:34 pm

They are doing right. They obviously think that the new owner will shaft them

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:39 pm

Cannot say I can disagree with the players. Seems Bolton’s main aim is to bluff there way along until a gene arrives to save them. Thank the league and PFA need to stop taking the easy options and do something to solve the problem and take some form of real action to resolve it instead of playing along for ease.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:42 pm

They will receive some criticism but from some quarters but you wonder what other options they have. I think they have been very patient and have made the correct decision.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:09 pm

and less than 2 weeks since EFL supremo Shaun Harvey said they had the funds to get to the end of the season - he really knows how to cover himself in glory doesn't he

Bolton's bank accounts have been frozen for weeks,even though there is money in them to pay wages apparently
Bassini still not shown any money and cannot get EFL approval until he has paid wages, he admitted that he agreed a deal with Anderson without knowing what the debts were (we know how that is going at Bury - and they thought they did know about all the debts).
Anderson was going to put then in administration the day the Bassini deal was announced (had a buyer lined up to buy them with a quick turnaround if it was done that way)

shambles - just fortunate from a league perspective that neither opponent is in the promotion/relegation mire or playing someone that is in their other remaining game

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:16 pm

Good on them for taking a stand.

Now this should light a fire under the EFL and get them moving.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:23 pm

The players should be allowed to walk away from their contracts without consequence if they choose to

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:23 pm

Chester Perry wrote:Andy holt described the situation perfectly today

The Venkys, Eddie Davies, Ellis Short’s of this world, killed their clubs with love.

They feed their puppy to such an extreme that it dies of reckless obesity.

Which is exactly why Mike Ashley might no be quite as bad an owner as many Geordies think he is!

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:28 pm

The best chance for the players to get paid is to refuse to play until they are paid. If they play out the season then they lose the only ace they hold. Hope they get there money and then terminate their contracts in the summer.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:34 pm

If they go ahead with this threat and don't fulfill their seasons fixtures, what will happen points wise?

Will the clubs who've got points off them have those points scrubbed?

How's it gonna work.?

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:45 pm

Not sure on the rules and what flexibility the EFL have but with only two games left against teams who cant go up or down easiest would be to award 3-0 victory's to Forest and Brentford

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:48 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:If they go ahead with this threat and don't fulfill their seasons fixtures, what will happen points wise?

Will the clubs who've got points off them have those points scrubbed?

How's it gonna work.?

I suspect Blacjburn Rovers v Middlesbrough will be the starting point

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/mid ... 83330.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Edit - likely to be a bigger points deduction for a 2nd offence (2 games less)77I can see a scenario where Bolton (if rescued) start next season on minus 18-21points
admin = -12pts
failed to play a game = - 3 pts
failed to play 2nd game - <> -3 and -6pts

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:53 pm

Vegas Claret wrote:The players should be allowed to walk away from their contracts without consequence if they choose to

they are entiled to give notice on contracts as result of failure to be paid - club has 14 days to pay or contract becomes null and void

https://www.lawinsport.com/blog/john-sh ... l-position" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sausage · Post by **Sausage** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 5:01 pm

Chester Perry wrote:I suspect Blacjburn Rovers v Middlesbrough will be the starting point

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/mid ... 83330.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Edit - likely to be a bigger points deduction for a 2nd offence (2 games less)77I can see a scenario where Bolton (if rescued) start next season on minus 18-21points
admin = -12pts
failed to play a game = - 3 pts
failed to play 2nd game - <> -3 and -6pts

In that case it might be worth an early bet on Bolton being relegated next season too.

Winstonswhite · Post by **Winstonswhite** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:30 pm

The question is, “will you be able to complete your fixtures next season?”

They haven’t been able to this year, what will change next year, apart from the fact they’ll have even less income?

Out the league I’m afraid. Start again. There’s dozens of better run clubs non league that deserve a place more than them.

bodge · Post by **bodge** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:38 pm

Game off tomorrow, big ructions from this.

Points deduction next season should be the outcome.

scouseclaret · Post by **scouseclaret** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:44 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:The question is, “will you be able to complete your fixtures next season?”

They haven’t been able to this year, what will change next year, apart from the fact they’ll have even less income?

Out the league I’m afraid. Start again. There’s dozens of better run clubs non league that deserve a place more than them.

Sh!t! Is this what becomes of us in 10 years time???

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:47 pm

I'm sure every effort will be made to make sure they complete this season but the good news is that Leeds don't benefit even if they do. Everything else is a secondary consideration.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:50 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Statement today from the Bolton players:

With deep regret we have decided not to fulfil our remaining fixtures until we are paid. The long running financial crisis at our club has been well documented. As has the fact that we, the playing staff, have yet to receive our March salaries.

Five of our coaching staff are also yet to be paid for March. We have endeavoured to continue our training and playing commitments during this extremely difficult time, with seemingly no resolution in sight.

We have been operating in a near untenable environment for some time and it is the accumulation of these issues that has resulted in our decision.

Fair play.

Shambles of a situation and got to feel for the fans.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:51 pm

Doubt they will complete the season now - the two fixtures will probably remain not played.

What a bloody mess.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:54 pm

How on earth has it come to this? A team seemingly established at the top.

A lesson to all. Both clubs and fans.

We should be careful what we wish for and even more careful who we mock. Hopefuly they can get out of the mess.

Was only today I saw a plaque in the bob lord stand that thanked the '500 club'. Fans, businesses and players who helped Burnley out of a 'perilous' financial situation. That was only 2004.

claretdj · Post by **claretdj** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:56 pm

I feel sorry for the 99 Brentford fans stuck up in Horwich tonight..

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 10:57 pm

claretdj wrote:I feel sorry for the 99 Brentford fans stuck up in Horwich tonight..

They could always come and watch their old mate Tarkowski on Sunday

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:00 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:We should be careful what we wish for

That should always be the case but there are still some who still don’t see it and don’t understand why our club is run the way it is.

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:03 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:How on earth has it come to this? A team seemingly established at the top.

A lesson to all. Both clubs and fans.

We should be careful what we wish for and even more careful who we mock. Hopefuly they can get out of the mess.

Was only today I saw a plaque in the bob lord stand that thanked the '500 club'. Fans, businesses and players who helped Burnley out of a 'perilous' financial situation. That was only 2004.

Owen Coyle could turn Milk Sour.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:04 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:How on earth has it come to this? A team seemingly established at the top.

A lesson to all. Both clubs and fans.

We should be careful what we wish for and even more careful who we mock. Hopefuly they can get out of the mess.

Was only today I saw a plaque in the bob lord stand that thanked the '500 club'. Fans, businesses and players who helped Burnley out of a 'perilous' financial situation. That was only 2004.

It's quite easy to understand, but you generally don't appear that interested or arsed when it's discussed.

As for lessons to everyone, our board are well aware of the perils of bank rolling a club and don't do it, yet are castigated by idiots for not doing it

As for Bolton getting out of this mess, they won't until they smash their wage bill right down to something manageable, it needs to be about 50% of their incoming monies to give them a decent chance of stabilizing the club and clearing debts.
They might need to kick around in league 1 or 2 for a few years like Portsmouth, but the owner doesn't appear willing and the potential new owner appears just as dense if it's true he didn't know about all the debts.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:06 pm

I’d say I feel sorry for their Fans, but I don’t. I remember January 2010 far too well.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:10 pm

I believe him......
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/s ... s-on-wages

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:11 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:I’d say I feel sorry for their Fans, but I don’t. I remember January 2010 far too well.

And in the end he caused them far more damage than he did us

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:16 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:I’d say I feel sorry for their Fans, but I don’t. I remember January 2010 far too well.

Easter 1988 was pretty Eventful

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:22 pm

They haven't been paid for March and April's will be due next week you cant blame the players for not playing,Time the tax man put this club to sleep.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:22 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:It's quite easy to understand, but you generally don't appear that interested or arsed when it's discussed.

As for lessons to everyone, our board are well aware of the perils of bank rolling a club and don't do it, yet are castigated by idiots for not doing it

You are proper weird.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:23 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:I’d say I feel sorry for their Fans, but I don’t. I remember January 2010 far too well.

Cant say I do...

25 January 2010 ·

Owen Coyle is Dog

25 July 2011 ·

I cannot help but despise Owen Coyle!

7 January 2012 ·

Owen Coyle is a fat ******!

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:25 pm

My opinion has clearly mellowed though on Bolton

9 October 2012 ·

Going Coyle... HAHAHA! Reap what you sow you horrible creature... I hope you **** off to Annan Athletic or somewhere equally irrelevent and I hope Bolton continue the slide to oblivion... Pointless club with no rivals!

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:29 pm

Are you quoting a Sardine?

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:32 pm

tim_noone wrote:Are you quoting a Sardine?

Is that an anagram of Sidney?

tim_noone · Post by **tim_noone** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:36 pm

Ar sidne? Correct!

Bin Ont Turf · Post by **Bin Ont Turf** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:39 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:I’d say I feel sorry for their Fans, but I don’t. I remember January 2010 far too well.

I remember Boxing day when they were shouting for Coyle.

The pants I have gone through since then.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:41 pm

andrew your 100m in debt and relegated by your saviour
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eleven years established at the top and he destroyed it all. its a shame youve no proper rivals to laugh at your plight so we have to do it!
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GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:58 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:You are proper weird.

Yeah but I'm right

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:13 am

tim_noone wrote:Easter 1988 was pretty Eventful

That was frightening. Coming off the car park behind the supermarket, their fans were looking at cars number plates and if they had a Burnley garage on them, the window was smashed.

So f**k em.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:21 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Yeah but I'm right

tybfc · Post by **tybfc** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:33 am

ClaretTony wrote:Doubt they will complete the season now - the two fixtures will probably remain not played.

What a bloody mess.

It is a bloody mess but think that the League may dig them out of a hole and rearrange Saturday's game and play the final day's game after the salaries have been paid to the staff and the players on Monday.

But Bolton will surely face a massive points deduction at the start of next season whatever the outcome.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 1:00 am

Vegas Claret wrote:I believe him......
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/s ... s-on-wages

Not seen so much bullshit in my life. That’s all Bassini will ever invest into that club, the cost of a half price home shirt.

It’s Anderson’s way of damage limitation. He can’t sell the club, but he can always blame the Football League for not letting this loon takeover.

RIP Bolton Wanderers, I think.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 1:18 am

claptrappers_union wrote:Not seen so much bullshit in my life. That’s all Bassini will ever invest into that club, the cost of a half price home shirt.

It’s Anderson’s way of damage limitation. He can’t sell the club, but he can always blame the Football League for not letting this loon takeover.

RIP Bolton Wanderers, I think.

yep agree, it was pretty painful to watch to be honest

exilecanada · Post by **exilecanada** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 1:42 am

Excuse my ignorance, but I have a question: If the Bolton players don’t complete the season, why would the previous opponents be deducted the points? In my mind that makes no sense, those games are ‘done and dusted’, so to speak. To award the 2 remaining opponents a 3-0 win and 3 points apiece makes sense.

As a footnote: This debacle really highlights the discrepancy between the ‘haves and have nots’ in today footy. Bolton are a storied club, such a shame they may be dissolved…………….Judas jumping ship not withstanding. Citeh, their not too far away neighbor, were dug out from the dirt by ‘nodding donkeys’, many things are amiss with todays game!

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:49 am

exilecanada wrote:Excuse my ignorance, but I have a question: If the Bolton players don’t complete the season, why would the previous opponents be deducted the points? In my mind that makes no sense, those games are ‘done and dusted’, so to speak. To award the 2 remaining opponents a 3-0 win and 3 points apiece makes sense.

Because some clubs will have had an opportunity to lose to them which Bolton's remaining opponents wouldn't have if you simply awarded 3-0 wins based on nothing but the pure luck that they were due to play later in the season.

By removing all points gained by previous teams who played Bolton you ensure that the league table is based only on the football results, and on as little luck as possible.

In this example Forest and Brentford aren't playing for anything, but what if the opponents were Millwall and Sheffield Utd? Then the promotion and relegation race would effectively be off-field circumstances which had nothing to do with the clubs involved in the promotion and relegation battles.

It's a pretty common solution in various leagues across various sports. If one team can't fulfil their remaining fixtures then you remove all their fixtures from the league table.