Bolton

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:27 pm

Also, club, stadium and general admin staff were due to be paid today. Unsurprisingly, they haven't been.
(BBC North West)

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:35 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Already been reported by the Bolton News that Pawel Olkoswki has handed in his notice. I posted it on this thread a few days ago.

Handing in your notice (as I understand Olkowski has done - whatever that means here; footballers aren't usually in contracts which they can terminate at their convenience) and "wanting to leave" (reported by The Bolton News) are different from withdrawing your labour. I'm not an expert in football contract law so I don't know the nuances.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:46 pm

thatdberight wrote:Handing in your notice (as I understand Olkowski has done - whatever that means here; footballers aren't usually in contracts which they can terminate at their convenience) and "wanting to leave" (reported by The Bolton News) are different from withdrawing your labour. I'm not an expert in football contract law so I don't know the nuances.

That's exactly what Olkowski has done. The withdrawing of labour has been done with the support of their union.

ceborame · Post by **ceborame** » Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:59 pm

Claret Tony

Make your mind up; handed in notice or withdrawal of labour (= going on strike) ? They are not the same thing

Anyway I'm glad the PFA have got involved

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:04 pm

After a certain time, the contracts are deemed to be terminated, if not paid.

RingoMcCartney · Post by **RingoMcCartney** » Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:05 pm

3 months - free agents.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:07 pm

While I do not agree with everything in this article, I do agree that cashflow is paramount - and to think people complain about our cash in the bank

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/1 ... very-edge/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:19 pm

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/1 ... g-to-club/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; reports that players can terminate on 14 days' notice if their pay is 14 days late.

ceborame · Post by **ceborame** » Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:30 pm

thatdberight wrote:https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/1 ... g-to-club/ reports that players can terminate on 14 days' notice if their pay is 14 days late.

If that's the case, what the hell have the PFA been advising them ?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:47 pm

ceborame wrote:Claret Tony

Make your mind up; handed in notice or withdrawal of labour (= going on strike) ? They are not the same thing

I'm fully aware of that

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Tue Apr 30, 2019 3:59 pm

ceborame wrote:If that's the case, what the hell have the PFA been advising them ?

I'm sure non payment of wages would support the strike action while they individually also (apparently) hold the ability to terminate the contract. Again, I've no idea what the consequences of termination for breach are. Do all the payments to the end of the contract become due or not? It would be a very expensive point of principle to walk away from a long-term contract if wages are simply delayed.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:13 pm

Somebody is now reading like a prophet - from 2010

http://twohundredpercent.net/where-burn ... oing-wong/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:15 pm

If they can walk away and seek a club that can/will pay them on time then I'm sure they'll forgo any future owed wages from Bolton.

Although I vaguely recall David James and possibly Sol Campbell chasing Portsmouth for years over owed money when it was all going down the drain there.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:46 pm

Disappointing that they haven't gone bust yet.

claret wizard · Post by **claret wizard** » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:00 pm

I'm not getting Bolton sentiment stuff either. There might be a few decent Bolton fans who would have mourned the Clarets in '87, but not many. My experiences of every trip to either Burnden or Horwich (not Bolton) have invariably involved Bolton idiots fighting or threatening to. What they did under Davies would be classed as cheating now, ok, not then, but there is still a reckoning to be paid. That reckoning is now. They shouldn't be able to slime out of it with an admin period and pop back up in League One on minus whatever points. Let the club die.

ceborame · Post by **ceborame** » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:01 pm

thatdberight wrote:I'm sure non payment of wages would support the strike action while they individually also (apparently) hold the ability to terminate the contract. Again, I've no idea what the consequences of termination for breach are. Do all the payments to the end of the contract become due or not? It would be a very expensive point of principle to walk away from a long-term contract if wages are simply delayed.

The point I was making was that if they can walk away from their contract after 14 days of non payment, why didn't the PFA advise them to do this rather than take the (potentially) unlawful strike action that they did.

Isn't Gordon Taylor the highest paid trade union leader in the UK (edit - highest paid in the world)? And this has happened at Bolton on his watch

Cleveleys_claret · Post by **Cleveleys_claret** » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:22 pm

ceborame wrote:The point I was making was that if they can walk away from their contract after 14 days of non payment, why didn't the PFA advise them to do this rather than take the (potentially) unlawful strike action that they did.

Isn't Gordon Taylor the highest paid trade union leader in the UK (edit - highest paid in the world)? And this has happened at Bolton on his watch

Why would a player with 2/3 years at 10/15k a week walk away from a contract knowing that they will probably not get even half of that at another club?

In the last few years whenever this happened the players always ended up getting paid so the players probably thought after the 1st month that they would get it the following month once the PFA got involved. After 2 they have probably realised that their is a strong possibility that the club could become extinct. This has probably forced their hand regards the strike action as it is so close to the end of the season. If they hadnt done anything and the season ended they know there would be no rush from a buyer to buy the club in preseason when their is no income and just large outgoings.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:00 pm

Bassini given another 48hrs to convince EFL

https://twitter.com/TelegraphDucker/sta ... 4558402560" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Anderson may feel time is up

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:04 pm

I thought he had everything he needed last week?

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:05 pm

The EFL are not coming out of this too well.

Nonayforever · Post by **Nonayforever** » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:28 pm

[quote="Chester Perry"]Bassini given another 48hrs to convince EFL
/quote]

The whole scenario is a complete sham from top to bottom.

Why give a con artist more time to do what he should have done weeks ago ?

Everything surrounding Bolton stinks, including the courts who should have compiled with the Inland Revenue months and months ago.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:16 pm

If the Football League authorities don't have the evidence yet to say that Bassini isn't a fit and proper person, then should we have a fit and proper person test for the Football League authorities?

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:17 pm

One simple question to Bassini.

ClaretDiver · Post by **ClaretDiver** » Wed May 01, 2019 5:48 am

dsr wrote:If the Football League authorities don't have the evidence yet to say that Bassini isn't a fit and proper person, then should we have a fit and proper person test for the Football League authorities?

Maybe it should be undertaken by a 3rd party body following stricter guidelines? This way there can be no bias from the Football League? Just a thought!

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed May 01, 2019 9:11 am

ecc wrote:The EFL are not coming out of this too well.

Well, well, that's a surprise

They've become a shocking and inept organisation under Harvey's watch.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed May 01, 2019 9:11 am

dsr wrote:If the Football League authorities don't have the evidence yet to say that Bassini isn't a fit and proper person, then should we have a fit and proper person test for the Football League authorities?

If they did then their chief exec Harvey would never have got the job. He took both Bradford City and Leeds into administration.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Wed May 01, 2019 9:20 am

EFL quite happy just to kick this down the road by giving Bassani the green light.

With the debts they have, its just a matter of time before Bolton go bust, and the EFL want to put that off as long as possible.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Wed May 01, 2019 11:57 am

In post #412 I posted a link to an article from 2010 that article referred to this document of Bolton's finances at the time from @SwissRamble when he just had the blog - be warned it is a lengthy read

http://swissramble.blogspot.com/2010/11 ... -debt.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Wed May 01, 2019 12:03 pm

turns out Bassini requested the extra 48 hrs from the EFL - when will people just say no

https://twitter.com/MarcIles/status/1123498519652909057" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Wed May 01, 2019 12:11 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote:EFL quite happy just to kick this down the road by giving Bassani the green light.

With the debts they have, its just a matter of time before Bolton go bust, and the EFL want to put that off as long as possible.

I think Lancaster has this spot on. A club the size of Bolton going bust would be a huge embarrassment for the EFL. Seems they can’t prevent it from happening themselves so can only do what they can to delay it and pray for a miracle.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Wed May 01, 2019 12:25 pm

The number of clubs in this mess is so high that the PL/EFL/FA have effectively put themselves in a position where it is impossible to turn anyone down who is crazy enough to bail a club out for a season or more.

@AndyhHolt was given a link to https://www.theguardian.com/football/bl ... ier-league" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, this morning - it is from 4 years ago and contains rhetoric I wouldn't necessarily agree with but was quite prophetic as to what was coming

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Wed May 01, 2019 2:37 pm

Rumours flying around that the hotel is closing it's doors this afternoon with all it's patrons told to check-out

https://twitter.com/MarcIles/status/1123580416970108929" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Erasmus · Post by **Erasmus** » Wed May 01, 2019 5:49 pm

I seem to remember Bolton getting relegated some time in the early 1960s when I was a small boy. I remember gloating about it, mainly because of their beating Manchester United in the 1958 Cup Final, just after the Munich disaster. I was shocked when my grandfather gave me a good telling off, saying what a great old club Bolton Wanderers were with fine traditions. I still keep his words in mind so I have to admit that I am sorry to see Bolton in such a parlous state. Their supporters are no different to ours, they just wear a different badge, so I have sympathy for them as well. It's a terrible thing to see old established clubs driven into the ground like this by the modern, money-based systems in football

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Wed May 01, 2019 6:03 pm

Bassini has absolutely no money and is a fantasist who is taking the P. How come it's obvious to everyone, but not to Anderson and the EFL? Crumbs, the EFL (along with the PL) have seen this guy "in action" before and it wasn't pretty. Anderson should actively be looking for and talking to others (if there are any)

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Wed May 01, 2019 6:24 pm

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/laur ... n-1.483603" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He reminds me of someone with his snappy catchphrase, opaque finances, problems at hotels going bust and claims which can't be validated. He also didn't hand out the teacher of the year award this week.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Wed May 01, 2019 6:25 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:Bassini has absolutely no money and is a fantasist who is taking the P.

Remember when Peter Shackleton turned up here?

4:20 · Post by **4:20** » Wed May 01, 2019 6:31 pm

Chester Perry wrote:Rumours flying around that the hotel is closing it's doors this afternoon with all it's patrons told to check-out

https://twitter.com/MarcIles/status/1123580416970108929" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tickled me this,

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Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Wed May 01, 2019 7:19 pm

Spijed wrote:Remember when Peter Shackleton turned up here?

Absolutely, but tbh I think many of us and particularly those in charge at the time quickly saw through him, but those at Bolton and at the EFL seem to be giving Bassini the attention he seeks.
(TBH, and it's been discussed on here before, I do wonder if Shackleton really did have someone in the background who suggested they'd back him with a shed load of cash, but ultimately they left him high and dry and let him down. Maybe?)

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Thu May 02, 2019 11:38 am

Players have confirmed that they will play at Forest on Sunday, but still no confirmation for the Brentford game

https://twitter.com/MarcIles/status/1123877519550242820" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

meanwhile
- Bassini is scheduled to meet the EFL at 7pm tonight
- stories are circulating that Ken Anderson has changed his price again for the club - but that could just be Bassini forgetting what he agreed

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Thu May 02, 2019 11:55 am

This is a long agonising death...come on HMRC show some balls and put this lingering death to bed.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Thu May 02, 2019 12:04 pm

Steve1956 wrote:This is a long agonising death...come on HMRC show some balls and put this lingering death to bed.

Have to wait until next Wednesday when they are back in the High Court - could yet be playing Brentford that day or even the day after -

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Thu May 02, 2019 12:07 pm

Chester Perry wrote:Have to wait until next Wednesday when they are back in the High Court - could yet be playing Brentford that day or even the day after -

Have HMRC ever wound a Football up,it seems to me football clubs are exempt unlike the rest of us.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu May 02, 2019 1:01 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Have HMRC ever wound a Football up,it seems to me football clubs are exempt unlike the rest of us.

They have. Non league clubs have been wound up by them

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu May 02, 2019 1:02 pm

Spijed wrote:Remember when Peter Shackleton turned up here?

What a bloody joke he was. Thank goodness Kilby came in when he did.

Woodleyclaret · Post by **Woodleyclaret** » Thu May 02, 2019 3:59 pm

I still have fond memories of Nat Lofthouse telling me to get my fxxxing bike out of the boardroom at Burden Park
I had cycled from Preston and forgetting my lock asked for permission to store bike and was directed to put in in the unused boardroom

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Thu May 02, 2019 5:02 pm

ClaretTony wrote:What a bloody joke he was. Thank goodness Kilby came in when he did.

We were getting hammered by Wigan at Springfield Park on Easter Monday, we were in the stand and decided to leave early. Walking past the directors box mine and Peter's eyes met, with the rage of a shocking performance I shouted "you can fcuk off!" at him. Bad times those were.

Back to Bolton, has Bassini actually found out the real amount of debt and realised there is a good chance of starting next season on -12 points and he would be paying the Davies family for years?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Thu May 02, 2019 5:09 pm

NL Claret wrote:We were getting hammered by Wigan at Springfield Park on Easter Monday, we were in the stand and decided to leave early. Walking past the directors box mine and Peter's eyes met, with the rage of a shocking performance I shouted "you can fcuk off!" at him. Bad times those were.

Back to Bolton, has Bassini actually found out the real amount of debt and realised there is a good chance of starting next season on -12 points and he would be paying the Davies family for years?

He was strutting around at Wigan as though he owned the club. A few days later he made a complete fool of himself at a Supporters event but he was Teasdale’s last hope of clinging on and cling on he did.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Thu May 02, 2019 5:12 pm

Bassini sounding the retreat?

https://twitter.com/MarcIles/status/1123968443563245569" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/17 ... n-bassini/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

the guy does himself no favours

https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/11 ... 7626644480" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu May 02, 2019 5:14 pm

Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

As already been stated, Boltons debt too big to successfully service, only a complete collapse and starting again is probably the only solution.

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Thu May 02, 2019 5:37 pm

"Bassini had previously admitted he had not conducted thorough due diligence on the Wanderers accounts prior to being named as the ‘mystery buyer’ whose assurances helped the club get a second adjournment at the High Court last month. "

Frightening. You're (for some insane reason) thinking of buying a debt-ridden club and you don't conduct thorough due diligence. Is he playing with a full deck?