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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:21 pm

claptrappers_union wrote:I suspect Bassini has finally got a consortium together with the financial backing, its just a case of of pleasing them before finalising the sale.
On Friday he said it was his own money

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Re: Bolton

Post by NL Claret » Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:56 pm

Goobs wrote:We either they are going to have a fixture backlog or the EFL will have to take sanctions against them if they can't fulfill their fixtures by the end of the season.
It would be better if sanctions could be taken against the EFL for having a weak fit and proper test. The whole Anderson / Holdsworth / blu marble / sports shield stunk like a two day old turd when they were allowed to buy Bolton. Anderson was a banned director with a track record, this saga is also the fault of the EFL.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Goobs » Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:59 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:They can fulfill them, just not allowed fans in, so in theory there shouldn't be any backlog.
If you read the post I quoted then it suggests that they can't as they aren't allowed to play games behind closed doors unless it is as a result of an EFL sanction which this would not be.

IF that is correct then the games would not be able to go ahead and there would be a backlog or failure to fulfill. I don't know but was speculating on another post which may or may not be correct.

Time will tell I guess (unless someone can prove it either way)
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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:35 pm

see section 33.1

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/ef ... -fixtures/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Bolton

Post by Goddy » Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:54 pm

I guess they'll get 'consent from the League' then, Chester, and get out of it as the alternative (for the League) might well be that they don't fulfil their fixtures which would be a worse outcome (at least for the League), I guess

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:19 pm

Announcement expected around 3pm today - so not long now

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Re: Bolton

Post by Clarets4me » Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:31 pm

Chester Perry wrote:Announcement expected around 3pm today - so not long now
Adjourned until May 8th, to allow due diligence and funds to be put in place ..... HMRC objected to the extension, but Kit suppliers Makron, offered none..

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/17 ... igh-court/

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:52 pm

Clarets4me wrote:Adjourned until May 8th, to allow due diligence and funds to be put in place ..... HMRC objected to the extension, but Kit suppliers Makron, offered none..

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/17 ... igh-court/
this was covered up the thread
the 3pm announcement is likely to be about this weekends home game v Ipswich -
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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:41 pm

the guy is a tool - getting very late in the day for confirmation of Saturday's game *players not trained, Ipswich travel arrangements. caterers, etc) and all he can come up with is this

https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2019/april/ ... chairman2/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:56 pm

reports that the Ipswich game will go ahead if Bolton can get the staff to turn up and work -

https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/bolton-v-i ... -1-5976264" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Bolton

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Thu Apr 04, 2019 12:09 am

If they are to be wound up i suspect the league will prefer they finish the season to save bigger problems if removing them affects promotion to the premier league or relegation from the championship. Hence dragging it out.


As it happens they wont be wound up imo.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:55 am

We now know what Ken Anderson mean't yesterday when he said that the go ahead of this weekend's match was down to the players - he has paid staff so the ground can open but not the players - who had returned to training this morning to be greeted with the news, Blackmail by any other name

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Thu Apr 04, 2019 12:30 pm

Ken's ploy has worked - players have agreed to play the game

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/1 ... ke-action/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Bolton

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Apr 05, 2019 4:51 pm

Bolton v Ipswich tomorrow is now in doubt because of an IT failure at the Macron

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Re: Bolton

Post by randomclaret2 » Fri Apr 05, 2019 4:54 pm

Is that 'IT' as in Income Tax ...?
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Re: Bolton

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:43 pm

ClaretTony wrote:Bolton v Ipswich tomorrow is now in doubt because of an IT failure at the Macron
We have an office next door. Was there today. Some visitors had stayed at the hotel last night and had to go to the bank because they couldn't take card payments - only cash!

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Re: Bolton

Post by bfcjg » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:49 pm

IT is a serial failure in all things BFC and politics.

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Re: Bolton

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:50 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:We have an office next door. Was there today. Some visitors had stayed at the hotel last night and had to go to the bank because they couldn't take card payments - only cash!
It's been like that a while and it just doesn't work demanding cash these days.

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Re: Bolton

Post by bfcjg » Fri Apr 05, 2019 11:36 pm

Highly paid IT engineers working through the night for a club that doesn't its bills ? Nah read a caretaker turning the system on and of in the hope it re-boots

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Re: Bolton

Post by Tricky Trevor » Sat Apr 06, 2019 12:01 am

This story needs a meme of a demonic Ken Anderson with a plug in his hand.

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Re: Bolton

Post by ŽižkovClaret » Sat Apr 06, 2019 12:07 am

Tricky Trevor wrote:This story needs a meme of a demonic Ken Anderson with a plug in his hand.
Even the I.T is sick of his nonsense at this point....

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Re: Bolton

Post by RammyClaret61 » Sat Apr 06, 2019 12:23 am

bfcjg wrote:Highly paid IT engineers working through the night for a club that doesn't its bills ? Nah read a caretaker turning the system on and of in the hope it re-boots
They probably just need to contact their IT provider, who will then probably tell them their account is overdue so we’ve cut you off!

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Re: Bolton

Post by Rowls » Sat Apr 06, 2019 1:39 am

RammyClaret61 wrote:They probably just need to contact their IT provider, who will then probably tell them their account is overdue so we’ve cut you off!
Or else it's a problem which would have been fixed if they were paying staff to maintain systems.

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Re: Bolton

Post by claptrappers_union » Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:16 am

Game is going ahead. Switching the system off for 10 seconds and restarting it again seems to have fixed it.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/17 ... -it-crash/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Bolton

Post by Jel » Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:55 am

How has Imploding Turtle become embroiled in Bolton?
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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Sat Apr 06, 2019 2:57 pm

Apparently no catering in the ground for today's game - shambles

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Re: Bolton

Post by bfcjg » Sat Apr 06, 2019 5:43 pm

Chester Perry wrote:Apparently no catering in the ground for today's game - shambles
Not even pigs trotters. :D

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Re: Bolton

Post by turfytopper » Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:20 pm

Good news is they will shortly be less than 10 years ahead of us

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Re: Bolton

Post by tiger76 » Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:25 pm

Bet they wish they hadn't bothered,the real victims in all this are the backroom staff who will undoubtedly face redundancy in the event of relegation.

Will anyone want to buy a League 1 club with a mountain of debt and few obvious assets.

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Re: Bolton

Post by nil_desperandum » Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:54 am

Apparently the players were booed off yesterday.
You can understand the frustrations of the crowd, but it's pretty classless to boo players who haven't been paid, (IMO).
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Re: Bolton

Post by evensteadiereddie » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:06 am

It just gets better and better.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Lord Beamish » Sun Apr 07, 2019 10:15 am

Their death spiral is a wonder to behold. Pompeyesque.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Apr 08, 2019 11:38 am

The Bolton News are reporting the EFL forwarded Bolton money to allow the game to go ahead.

You can understand them wanting to get all fixtures played but they shouldn't be propping clubs up.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Mon Apr 08, 2019 4:39 pm

So Anderson held the gun to both the EFL and the players and won- he has effectively taken future revenue from any new owner to pay his debt - just how does he continue to get away with it

if the EFL (and the Premier League) have a golden share in each of their member clubs, and if this is the practice they are going to take (they have previously refused for clubs such as Accrington Stanley) then why not just oust the owner bring in an independent to run the club on their behalf until a buyer takes over and then if profits from sale are left over pass on to previous shareholder(s), and then ban the Anderson's of this world for life. That is effectively what the American sports would do
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Re: Bolton

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Apr 08, 2019 10:57 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:The Bolton News are reporting the EFL forwarded Bolton money to allow the game to go ahead.

You can understand them wanting to get all fixtures played but they shouldn't be propping clubs up.
I think that its a sensible thing to do in **** circumstances.

Don't do that and it would cause a real **** storm and various legal battles if Leeds were to lose 6 points and miss out on promotion by even one point.

Equally at the bottom of the table. Think it would send Wigan down.

Also at least there are still 11 players (plus) earning (albeit not getting paid properly) a living and being in the shop window.

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Re: Bolton

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:19 am

Anderson is royally taking the **** now and Bolton should be thrown out of the league for this.

He's clearly not going to pay his bills and the EFL are clearly too soft to stand up to him :roll:

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Re: Bolton

Post by Dark Cloud » Tue Apr 09, 2019 7:53 am

I think so close to the end of the season, it makes sense for the EFL to help out and TRY to get all fixtures played, BUT it does set a (very expensive!) precedent which might come back to bite them in the bum if other clubs start threatening to go under in the future.
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Re: Bolton

Post by mikeS » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:13 am

Sounds a bit like the situation that developed at Rangers in 2011. In the end You have to feel for the supporters.
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Re: Bolton

Post by Lord Beamish » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:52 am

I’d be happy for them to fold at the end of the season. Hell, I’d be happy for them to fold right now if it threw a spanner in Leeds’ works.
Any fraternity I felt with Bolton Wanderers’ Fans ended in the Winter/Spring of 2010. This has been in the post for 9 years. I’m glad it’s finally being delivered.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Falcon » Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:19 am

If the players aren't training or being paid then you may as well just award every side they are facing until the close of the season the three points now.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Spijed » Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:22 am

mikeS wrote:In the end You have to feel for the supporters.
No you don't.

I hope all clubs that spend beyond their means crash and burn. Let's hope in a few years time the Etihad has tumbleweed blowing through the stands.

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Re: Bolton

Post by nil_desperandum » Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:43 am

Falcon wrote:If the players aren't training or being paid then you may as well just award every side they are facing until the close of the season the three points now.
That's my view too.
Whatever happens some teams will lose and some will gain, but they shouldn't be kept going "artificially" just so that they complete their fixtures. The precedent has always been that all the fixtures are wiped out, and if you're a loser then it's just tough (unfortunately).
There was a different failed precedent in the mid- 60s when midway through the season the League decided to relegate Peterborough Utd at the end of the season, with the consequence that they just stopped trying. To be fair what they should have done was to say - if you get relegated you'll go down 2 divisions. This would have ensured the integrity of the competition.
(Just checked it was 1967 -8. It was for making illegal payments. They were 4th in the table having played 19 games at the time, but ended up 24th)

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Re: Bolton

Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:30 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:I think that its a sensible thing to do in **** circumstances.

Don't do that and it would cause a real **** storm and various legal battles if Leeds were to lose 6 points and miss out on promotion by even one point.

Equally at the bottom of the table. Think it would send Wigan down.

Also at least there are still 11 players (plus) earning (albeit not getting paid properly) a living and being in the shop window.
Where does it end though?

Why don't they loan Accy Stanley a million quid to get a state of the art pitch so all games get played on time?

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Re: Bolton

Post by Chester Perry » Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:03 am

Accy are putting a new pitch in this summer of their own accord and for the last few weeks have been carrying out work around one of the stands to help alleviated the flooding problems

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Re: Bolton

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:09 am

Chester Perry wrote:Accy are putting a new pitch in this summer of their own accord and for the last few weeks have been carrying out work around one of the stands to help alleviated the flooding problems
Adding some of these?
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Re: Bolton

Post by Murger » Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:17 am

I wouldn't shed a tear or lose any sleep if Bolton went bust. The way their fans acted when they took Coyle, they deserve everything they get.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Quickenthetempo » Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:23 am

Chester Perry wrote:Accy are putting a new pitch in this summer of their own accord and for the last few weeks have been carrying out work around one of the stands to help alleviated the flooding problems
I know, but I fear they haven't got the finance to get the quality of pitch they need.

The present one is quite new but they're going to spend around 200k, ours was going towards £1m. Just like our training pitches.

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Re: Bolton

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:46 am

Murger wrote:I wouldn't shed a tear or lose any sleep if Bolton went bust. The way their fans acted when they took Coyle, they deserve everything they get.
Agreed.

Whilst many of their fans are genuine, there are lots of ****tards who have delusions of playing in the Champions League. More likely to be the Northern Premier League the way they're heading ;)

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Re: Bolton

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:57 pm

Spijed wrote:No you don't.

I hope all clubs that spend beyond their means crash and burn. Let's hope in a few years time the Etihad has tumbleweed blowing through the stands.
You mean city that have spent millions regenerating deprived areas of manchester and improving the lives of loads of local families. Created tonnes of jobs etc.

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Re: Bolton

Post by nil_desperandum » Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:54 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:You mean city that have spent millions regenerating deprived areas of manchester and improving the lives of loads of local families. Created tonnes of jobs etc.
Not sure whether that stacks up, though I am prepared for you to put me right.
From what I am aware they got a 250 year lease at "nominal" rent for a stadium worth about £110 million* - paid for by you and me (amongst others) along with Manchester council - and have invested about £60 million on local re-generation. So not a bad deal so far.
(*For clarity, they spent about £20 million converting it for football)

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