Bolton

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed May 08, 2019 11:43 am

Bolton News reporting that the Court is not impressed that Anderson is not represented

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Wed May 08, 2019 11:43 am

summitclaret wrote:How far away ( from us ) are they?

24.6 miles (47 minutes)

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Wed May 08, 2019 11:44 am

This is just so delicious. Hopefully the Bastards can go a similar way, very soon.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Wed May 08, 2019 11:46 am

Lord Beamish wrote:This is just so delicious. Hopefully the Bastards can go a similar way, very soon.

Very soon but very slowly once it begins, would hate their pain to be over quickly

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Wed May 08, 2019 11:51 am

Lord Beamish wrote:This is just so delicious. Hopefully the Bastards can go a similar way, very soon.

Not much chance of that - Venky's appear in for the long haul and keep issuing share capital. Fans finally realising that, even though the Venky's got it very badly wrong in first few years, they are the only route out of the hole and the club is now being managed relatively sensibly (for a Championship club).

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Wed May 08, 2019 11:53 am

Unless the ultra-rich Venkys get bored with Rovers and bin em off, I think we might be waiting a while for that.

Its a different situation at Deadwood.
There's certainly no lack of dosh being pumped in.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Wed May 08, 2019 12:00 pm

Adjourned for 14 days after Eddie Davies Trust applied for admin. Made clear that the club is not currently in admin.

Chester Perry · Post by **Chester Perry** » Wed May 08, 2019 12:05 pm

ElectroClaret wrote:Unless the ultra-rich Venkys get bored with Rovers and bin em off, I think we might be waiting a while for that.

Its a different situation at Deadwood.
There's certainly no lack of dosh being pumped in.

One little titbit from their recent fans forum is that the their is urgent focus on maintenance now at the ground - they have a £500k budget for paint (not painters) in the next 5 years - now which Darwen firm used to sponsor them, time for a call methinks.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed May 08, 2019 12:11 pm

bob-the-scutter wrote:24.6 miles (47 minutes)

Longer by bus.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Wed May 08, 2019 12:21 pm

They shoot horses don't they

THEWELLERNUT70 · Post by **THEWELLERNUT70** » Wed May 08, 2019 12:22 pm

bob-the-scutter wrote:24.6 miles (47 minutes)

I did it 22 minutes once in a Focus ST :p

BFCmaj · Post by **BFCmaj** » Wed May 08, 2019 12:30 pm

summitclaret wrote:How far away ( from us ) are they?

10 years

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Wed May 08, 2019 12:30 pm

Chester Perry wrote:Not much chance of that - Venky's appear in for the long haul and keep issuing share capital. Fans finally realising that, even though the Venky's got it very badly wrong in first few years, they are the only route out of the hole and the club is now being managed relatively sensibly (for a Championship club).

One can dream.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed May 08, 2019 12:31 pm

summitclaret wrote:How far away ( from us ) are they?

10 years

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Wed May 08, 2019 1:28 pm

have they gone Bust yet?

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Wed May 08, 2019 1:53 pm

summitclaret wrote:How far away ( from us ) are they?

About 10 years apparently ....

chekhov · Post by **chekhov** » Wed May 08, 2019 1:57 pm

An awful lot of Schadenfreude here. I think it will be a great shame if one of Lancashire’s trad league clubs go to the wall.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed May 08, 2019 3:27 pm

chekhov wrote:An awful lot of Schadenfreude here. I think it will be a great shame if one of Lancashire’s trad league clubs go to the wall.

Not a shame at all,remembering 10 years ago they poached our manager and scuppered our January transfer window,I've no sympathy for them whatsoever like they had non for us ten years ago. BOLTON!

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Wed May 08, 2019 3:31 pm

I feel sorry for the supporters. They're the same as you or me. They just want their club to not die.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Wed May 08, 2019 3:35 pm

:Gartside shat all over us back in the day,I have no sympathy for Bolton in the slightest, it's only prolonging the agony put them down I say,their support can always go and watch someone else

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Wed May 08, 2019 3:35 pm

I remember their supporters too when they had numbers in their favour until that night in 88.

**** em

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Wed May 08, 2019 3:51 pm

""An awful lot of Schadenfreude here""

Nowt wrong wi' a bit of Schadenfreude

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Wed May 08, 2019 4:26 pm

fatboy47 wrote:""An awful lot of Schadenfreude here""

Nowt wrong wi' a bit of Schadenfreude

Especially when it’s in kind for their own schadenfreude.

chekhov · Post by **chekhov** » Wed May 08, 2019 4:31 pm

Steve1956 wrote::Gartside shat all over us back in the day,I have no sympathy for Bolton in the slightest, it's only prolonging the agony put them down I say,their support can always go and watch someone else

Thé words petty and small-minded spring to mind. But I suppose it shouldn’t be surprising that your average football fan is petty and small-minded!

Erasmus · Post by **Erasmus** » Wed May 08, 2019 4:33 pm

As with every team, ourselves included, there are a number of supporters who are a bit unpleasant and they are mostly the ones you notice. The majority will be decent people, but you don't notice them so much.

Surely we can afford to be a bit magnanimous in our present position rather than descending to the level we haven't liked amongst their supporters when they were on top. If we are going to criticise their supporters for being unsympathetic towards us then we shouldn't mimic that type of attitude.

martin_p · Post by **martin_p** » Wed May 08, 2019 4:41 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:10 years

Don’t want to alarm anyone, but 10 years ago Bolton finished 13th in the Premier League with 41 points!

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Wed May 08, 2019 5:13 pm

"If we are going to criticise their supporters for being unsympathetic towards us then we shouldn't mimic that type of attitude."

Too right, Erasmus.

Would we like other clubs' fans to think all Clarets are low life?

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Wed May 08, 2019 5:18 pm

All clubs have their share of knobheads, even us

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dpinsussex · Post by **dpinsussex** » Wed May 08, 2019 5:20 pm

Steve1956 wrote::Gartside shat all over us back in the day,I have no sympathy for Bolton in the slightest, it's only prolonging the agony put them down I say,their support can always go and watch someone else

You could argue that he did us a favour in removing Coyle.
Clearly no plan B. And if they hadn't been so kind we wouldn't have had Dyche.

Thank you Bolton and Mr Garside.

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Wed May 08, 2019 5:36 pm

ecc wrote:"If we are going to criticise their supporters for being unsympathetic towards us then we shouldn't mimic that type of attitude."

Too right, Erasmus.

Would we like other clubs' fans to think all Clarets are low life?

Why not a few more thinking it won’t make that much difference

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Wed May 08, 2019 5:37 pm

Erasmus wrote: Surely we can afford to be a bit magnanimous in our present position rather than descending to the level we haven't liked amongst their supporters when they were on top. If we are going to criticise their supporters for being unsympathetic towards us then we shouldn't mimic that type of attitude.

Life’s too short for magnanimity.

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Wed May 08, 2019 5:38 pm

I wouldn't want any supporter to lose their club, because I know how important my club is to me.

It's like hoping that their family pet dies.

ecc · Post by **ecc** » Wed May 08, 2019 10:23 pm

"Life’s too short for magnanimity."

Without magnanimity life has no meaning.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Thu May 09, 2019 8:38 am

ecc wrote:"Life’s too short for magnanimity."

Without magnanimity life has no meaning.

Even less without irony.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Thu May 09, 2019 8:40 am

claptrappers_union wrote:I wouldn't want any supporter to lose their club, because I know how important my club is to me.

It's like hoping that their family pet dies.

As a comparison Bolton are more of a goldfish kind of pet than a dog

andyh · Post by **andyh** » Thu May 09, 2019 8:56 am

Bolton is a small club in Lancashire. They have had a wealthy but not mega rich benefactor. They bet the ranch in a way many on here advocate.

They pinched a manager from another struggling club and by doing so survived another couple of years in the prem. That was probably the last shrewd thing they did. I hate what is happening to them because there but for the grace of God...

Football finances are seriously messed up. There appears to be more clubs in absolute meltdown than ever before. It is really difficult to be competitive and not overspend. We currently seem to be doing well but it only takes a few bad turns to see us in the same mess. We are not fundamentally different from Bolton.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Thu May 09, 2019 8:59 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:As a comparison Bolton are more of a goldfish kind of pet than a dog

Harsh on goldfish

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Thu May 09, 2019 9:01 am

andyh wrote:Bolton is a small club in Lancashire. They have had a wealthy but not mega rich benefactor. They bet the ranch in a way many on here advocate.

They pinched a manager from another struggling club and by doing so survived another couple of years in the prem. That was probably the last shrewd thing they did. I hate what is happening to them because there but for the grace of God...

Football finances are seriously messed up. There appears to be more clubs in absolute meltdown than ever before. It is really difficult to be competitive and not overspend. We currently seem to be doing well but it only takes a few bad turns to see us in the same mess. We are not fundamentally different from Bolton.

We’re the polar opposite of Bolton. They were bankrolled by one man. When that tap was turned off, they were always going to be ******.

andyh · Post by **andyh** » Thu May 09, 2019 9:08 am

We are for now. But look back to Brendan Flood... W that could have turned out very badly. We were lucky and maybe Flood and the ITV digital experience taught us something. But at some point we will forget and make bad decisions. It is the cyclical nature of these things.

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Thu May 09, 2019 9:26 am

andyh wrote:Bolton is a small club in Lancashire. They have had a wealthy but not mega rich benefactor. They bet the ranch in a way many on here advocate.

They pinched a manager from another struggling club and by doing so survived another couple of years in the prem. That was probably the last shrewd thing they did. I hate what is happening to them because there but for the grace of God...

Football finances are seriously messed up. There appears to be more clubs in absolute meltdown than ever before. It is really difficult to be competitive and not overspend. We currently seem to be doing well but it only takes a few bad turns to see us in the same mess. We are not fundamentally different from Bolton.

The third sentence above is rubbish. Hardly any on here want us to bet the ranch. I don't however we have to take our weaknesses seriously this summer. We scraped thro this time with a major deficiency in cm.

andyh · Post by **andyh** » Thu May 09, 2019 9:36 am

summitclaret wrote:The third sentence above is rubbish. Hardly any on here want us to bet the ranch. I don't however we have to take our weaknesses seriously this summer. We scraped thro this time with a major deficiency in cm.

And that is always how it starts. The reality is if we are more cautious than everyone around us we will eventually drop back to then Championship and people will say we should have spent more.
The thing is regardless of how much we spend we will eventually return to the championship. All the smaller teams do. It is a question of what financial state we are in when we do.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu May 09, 2019 9:37 am

He's got you there summit to be fair

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Thu May 09, 2019 10:12 am

Defeatist and a self fulfilling.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu May 09, 2019 10:14 am

Accepting reality is not defeatist or self fulfilling.

Refusing to see the consequences of spending too much now (when all the evidence of the effect is there) isn't very sensible.

That doesn't mean that we don't want to strive to be the best that we can be, or that we can't sign five players this summer, but it means we can't spend £20 million with a five year contract on a massive gamble.

We have to gamble a bit, but we have to know our limit, and if the other 19 clubs ignore that, we can't pretend that we can keep up to that level.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Thu May 09, 2019 10:26 am

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:As a comparison Bolton are more of a goldfish kind of pet than a dog

Which bog are we flushing them down then?

summitclaret · Post by **summitclaret** » Thu May 09, 2019 10:38 am

Lancasterclaret wrote:Accepting reality is not defeatist or self fulfilling.

Refusing to see the consequences of spending too much now (when all the evidence of the effect is there) isn't very sensible.

That doesn't mean that we don't want to strive to be the best that we can be, or that we can't sign five players this summer, but it means we can't spend £20 million with a five year contract on a massive gamble.

We have to gamble a bit, but we have to know our limit, and if the other 19 clubs ignore that, we can't pretend that we can keep up to that level.

I think I must be writing in double Dutch if you can deduce that from what I said. This is about addresting our obvious weaknesses not being spendthrift.

Dark Cloud · Post by **Dark Cloud** » Thu May 09, 2019 11:46 am

I do think the reality is that we will drop back down at some stage. After all I'm sure Bolton, Rovers, Sheff Wednesday and others going back a few years and then more latterly Swansea, Stoke, West Brom, Villa etc all thought they were totally secure and planned accordingly, but were very, very wrong and they are arguably bigger clubs than us. We have to be realistic and Bolton is a wonderful model of how NOT to approach Premier League football unless you're one of the big 4/5. Eye catching, marquee signings using next year's TV money (or borrowed money) are all well and good for those top, top clubs, but anybody else only needs one or two to go wrong and suddenly you're in the poo. I am firmly in the camp that believes we actually didn't spend enough last summer and that this season we've got away with it, just. So we do need to SENSIBLY invest rather more this window, but we still have to walk that very narrow tight rope. Plus, we as fans have to be aware that the more we earn as a club in the Premier League, the more things tend to cost. Players cost more in fees and wages and just being in the PL brings its own costs e.g. £12 million? for disabled facilities and so on. We have to target players who will fit in with us, money wise and playing wise, but I think if we don't accept that we will need to spend rather more we'll be dropping down sooner rather than later.

andyh · Post by **andyh** » Thu May 09, 2019 11:51 am

summitclaret wrote:I think I must be writing in double Dutch if you can deduce that from what I said. This is about addresting our obvious weaknesses not being spendthrift.

You are not. I think we all know we will buy this summer. Most on here think cm is most needed area to improve. Some will think we should have pushed the boat out more, regardless of who we get. I was totally underwhelmed by Hendrick and Westwood. They have actually turned out ok. Defour I was made up. And whilst he has had great games he has had nowhere near the impact of the other two. What I learned is that Sean can see stuff I can’t. Budgets, wages, fitness, strategy etc etc. We have to trust he is right and we might be wrong because of our limited view. We will end up with players we can afford cos we control that. Whether they are good enough to survive is a gamble. Whether they are exciting enough to please the masses (you and I included) is almost irrelevant.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Thu May 09, 2019 12:02 pm

andyh wrote:And that is always how it starts. The reality is if we are more cautious than everyone around us we will eventually drop back to then Championship and people will say we should have spent more.
The thing is regardless of how much we spend we will eventually return to the championship. All the smaller teams do. It is a question of what financial state we are in when we do.

Indeed, and yet those like Summitclaret think we can stay in the Prem if we spend the right amount.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Thu May 09, 2019 12:29 pm

Dark Cloud wrote:I do think the reality is that we will drop back down at some stage. After all I'm sure Bolton, Rovers, Sheff Wednesday and others going back a few years and then more latterly Swansea, Stoke, West Brom, Villa etc all thought they were totally secure and planned accordingly, but were very, very wrong and they are arguably bigger clubs than us. We have to be realistic and Bolton is a wonderful model of how NOT to approach Premier League football unless you're one of the big 4/5. Eye catching, marquee signings using next year's TV money (or borrowed money) are all well and good for those top, top clubs, but anybody else only needs one or two to go wrong and suddenly you're in the poo. I am firmly in the camp that believes we actually didn't spend enough last summer and that this season we've got away with it, just. So we do need to SENSIBLY invest rather more this window, but we still have to walk that very narrow tight rope. Plus, we as fans have to be aware that the more we earn as a club in the Premier League, the more things tend to cost. Players cost more in fees and wages and just being in the PL brings its own costs e.g. £12 million? for disabled facilities and so on. We have to target players who will fit in with us, money wise and playing wise, but I think if we don't accept that we will need to spend rather more we'll be dropping down sooner rather than later.

The last line is the problem for me though

At what stage do we go "right, thats too much of a risk"?