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Re: Bolton on the brink of liquidation.

Post by taio » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:17 am

Roosterbooster wrote:For who??
Bad for them
Bad for us
Bad for football
You do have to wonder what goes through someone's head to think it would be good for Bolton to go under.

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Liquidation

Post by theroyaldyche » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:18 am

Following on from the demise of bolton, if it were to happen to burnley and we ceased to exist

Who would you support?

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Re: Liquidation

Post by wilks_bfc » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:19 am

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Re: Liquidation

Post by ALP » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:21 am

Colne, but I already do as a fan and photographer

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Re: Bolton on the brink of liquidation.

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:22 am

taio wrote:You do have to wonder what goes through someone's head to think it would be good for Bolton to go under.
The only positive is it could serve as a wake up call to the EFL to do something, and other clubs who're sailing close too or over the edge with their finances.

Clubs have carried on risking it because they're probably thinking they won't lose their league status regardless of what happens.

If a club finally does lose their status it could, bizarrely, be beneficial.

Most people widely agree Portsmouth was a shambles and there was some serious **** taking going on down there with all the changes in ownership, the amount of money written off etc.

I'm not saying I should be Bolton either that goes.

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Re: Bolton

Post by NL Claret » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:24 am

I've always disliked Bolton as I'm over the border in Bury. Throughout school I was constantly arguing with Bolton supporting kids. Even though the dislike I wouldn't want to see the club in this position and feel for their fans and staff. There's no gloating just sadness and pity.

Problems deep rooted with Davies huge investment with a business plan based on PL income, Gartside's ill health and then letting holdsworth and Anderson take control.

As for the integrity of the competition they should be booted out. Andy Holt is spot on with his tweets.
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Re: Bolton

Post by RalphCoatesComb » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:25 am

What has happened at Bolton must be a lesson to all football clubs.

Poor financial management will always lead to collapse, bankruptcy, loss of jobs, tears, etc etc.

I am so glad that our Club is in the hands of people who are not prepared to 'break the bank' for short-term gain!
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Re: Liquidation

Post by Quicknick » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:41 am

Skipton Bulldogs. Hang on, they don't exist anymore.

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Re: Liquidation

Post by Darthlaw » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:43 am

FC Toronto.

Genuinely BFC is the only thing keeping me in this country.

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Re: Liquidation

Post by morpheus2 » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:44 am

Blackburn Rovers.
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Re: Liquidation

Post by Holmeclaret » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:45 am

No - one.

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Re: Liquidation

Post by theroyaldyche » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:46 am

morpheus2 wrote:Blackburn Rovers.
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Was dreading that

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Re: Bolton

Post by Grumps » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:51 am

I don't want Bolton to fold, the whole 10yrs ahead of us stuff was Coyle, not the club. However they cannot be allowed to play just when it suits. Seems everyone is at fault, buyers, sellers, administrators and the league, it needs someone to get a grip... Quickly

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Re: Liquidation

Post by Top Claret » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:53 am

Rovers will be long gone by the time its our turn.

If Bolton actually go in the coming weeks I can see the flood gates opening, with the likes of Blackburn Rovers being the next in line

With the Rovers debt and there uninterested foreign owners, I really think the writing could be on the wall for them. Once clubs start to fold the Venkys will think let's bail out and get shut of the ball and chain that is BRFC

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Re: Liquidation

Post by dpinsussex » Mon Aug 26, 2019 11:59 am

Dont worry we have 10 years to think about the answer to that question

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Re: Liquidation

Post by morpheus2 » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:05 pm

dpinsussex wrote:Dont worry we have 10 years to think about the answer to that question
I believe there is just 5 months left of the 10 years old bean.

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Re: Liquidation

Post by dpinsussex » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:06 pm

morpheus2 wrote:I believe there is just 5 months left of the 10 years old bean.
They havent gone pop yet, so the 10 years is still to come. Old bean :)

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Re: Liquidation

Post by Goalposts » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:07 pm

Accrington stanley

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Re: Liquidation

Post by morpheus2 » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:09 pm

I would certainly enjoy something particularly nasty happen to Blackburn Rovers but perhaps not quite liquidation.

The head of JW's statue falling off at an awkward moment maybe?

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Re: Liquidation

Post by Bosscat » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:09 pm

morpheus2 wrote:Blackburn Rovers.
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Some bugger has to looking at the abysmal crowds they get

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Re: Liquidation

Post by Quickenthetempo » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:10 pm

I don't see how a football club can survive what has happened to Bolton unless a foreign chap with billions wants to throw it away.

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Re: Liquidation

Post by Rumpelstiltskin » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:10 pm

Joey Barton’s Fleetwood!

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Re: Liquidation

Post by claptrappers_union » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:11 pm

I think Stanley, easiest club to get to for me

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Re: Liquidation

Post by MACCA » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:14 pm

Might trot a long to the odd Accy Stanley game, but I'd try other things like festivals , watching different live sports and probably a new hobby. I only support 1 team and have no affection or passion for another team in this or another country.

Genuinely cant understand how people follow/support 5 teams in 3 different countries.

Its Burnley for me and that's it.

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Re: Liquidation

Post by turfytopper » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:18 pm

dpinsussex wrote:They havent gone pop yet, so the 10 years is still to come. Old bean :)
It was a rolling 10 years.

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Re: Liquidation

Post by morpheus2 » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:19 pm

dpinsussex wrote:They havent gone pop yet, so the 10 years is still to come. Old bean :)
Aaaah, yes, I see what you mean bean.

Another way of looking at it - and I think Moses was correct when he said Bolton were 10 years ahead of us in this respect...I think we are now (10 years on) about where Bolton were 10 years ago - youth set-up, training ground and facility wise....we are probably a lot better off financially mind, and have a far superior manager of course.
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Re: Liquidation

Post by gtclaret » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:19 pm

It nearly happened in 1987
I would lose interest football. I always say to people that I am not a football fan only a Burnley fan, I have absolutely no interest in other clubs

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Re: Liquidation

Post by Dyched » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:19 pm

Probably a german team that’s cheap to get to and cheap tickets. Probably Frankfurt. I don’t reckon it’d that expensive to watch them at home every other weekend.

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Re: Liquidation

Post by turfytopper » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:21 pm

In answer to the original post......no team would replace Burnley. I left the area in 1981 yet still travel the country watching them from Sussex. I also sulk for days when two points are snatched from us in those circumstances yesterday.

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Re: Liquidation

Post by morpheus2 » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:22 pm

gtclaret wrote:It nearly happened in 1987
I would lose interest football. I always say to people that I am not a football fan only a Burnley fan, I have absolutely no interest in other clubs

I would still perhaps have an interest in watching some other teams do badly...not actually watching the game, just the results and tables.

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Re: Liquidation

Post by Conroy92 » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:23 pm

MACCA wrote:...

Genuinely cant understand how people follow/support 5 teams in 3 different countries.

Its Burnley for me and that's it.
Completely agree! I don't even hold as much passion for England as I do for Burnley!

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Re: Bolton

Post by mdd2 » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:23 pm

Clubs that live beyond their means courtesy of a single benefactor risk sudden demise and until one is allowed to go to the wall no changes to the present fiascos will go on
Bolton and Eddie Rovers and Jack Chelsea when Abramovich tires or kicks it
Thank goodness we have owners plural

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Re: Liquidation

Post by BleedingClaret » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:24 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:I don't see how a football club can survive what has happened to Bolton unless a foreign chap with billions wants to throw it away.
Blackburn could be right where Bolton are but for the Venkys and yet they think somehow the Venkys have held them back
I think Bolton’s move to Horwich is also a factor
The likes of Burnley especially with the club smack bang in the town centre but also Blackburn and Preston where your in your sort of ancestral home means there a lot of fan and business identity that would make them more hardy if the bad times hit.
Maybe another Bolton team set up on a patch of grass actually in Bolton is their best way back

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Re: Liquidation

Post by beddie » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:27 pm

Leeds, Leeds. Leeds. Marching on together. ;)

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Re: Liquidation

Post by ksrclaret » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:28 pm

I'd turn my back on Premier League football entirely and probably go along to the odd few games a year in the lower leagues at clubs local to me.

The Premier League is a horrible, superficial competition that has been ruined by money, fame, celebrity, agents, too many foreign players and managers etc. I wouldn't miss it one single bit and if and when Burnley do get relegated I'll be delighted in that respect, providing that the Championship hasn't become a mini version.

I grew up being obsessed with football and it was the thing that kept me going through some tough times, so I don't think I could give it up.

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Re: Liquidation

Post by claret2018 » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:33 pm

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Re: Bolton

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:33 pm

mdd2 wrote:Clubs that live beyond their means courtesy of a single benefactor risk sudden demise and until one is allowed to go to the wall no changes to the present fiascos will go on
Bolton and Eddie Rovers and Jack Chelsea when Abramovich tires or kicks it
Thank goodness we have owners plural
Hardly plural when one man owns half though

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Re: Bolton

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:35 pm

NL Claret wrote:I've always disliked Bolton as I'm over the border in Bury. Throughout school I was constantly arguing with Bolton supporting kids. Even though the dislike I wouldn't want to see the club in this position and feel for their fans and staff. There's no gloating just sadness and pity.

Problems deep rooted with Davies huge investment with a business plan based on PL income, Gartside's ill health and then letting holdsworth and Anderson take control.

As for the integrity of the competition they should be booted out. Andy Holt is spot on with his tweets.
NL Claret - I agree with just about every word of that. Real sadness to see a club like Bolton go, if indeed they do, but they've been badly run over years, just dipping into one man's money and they should be forced out. But, real sadness to see a club like that go and I'd say the same if it were those by junction 4 on the M65.

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Re: Liquidation

Post by ZizkovClaret » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:48 pm

AFC Burnley, the phoenix club
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Re: Liquidation

Post by Spijed » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:49 pm

The only club I'd like to see going bust is Leicester after the stunt they pulled regarding their ground.

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Re: Liquidation

Post by Lord Beamish » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:53 pm

Burnley FC are the only thing keeping me interested in Football in particular, and Sport in general.

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Re: Bolton

Post by basil6345789 » Mon Aug 26, 2019 12:53 pm

Clubs in that position would be better downsizing, selling assets (eg Rovers' Training Ground) and moving to smaller, more modest surroundings, even ground sharing temporarily if necessary, to keep going. Don't want clubs going out when in time it'll all "reposition itself" - can't go on like this.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Dyched » Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:03 pm

Why has the liquidation thread been merged with this?

We may as well merge the Ashes with the players rating vs Wolves thread.

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Re: Bolton

Post by NL Claret » Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:12 pm

Ken Anderson claims the outstanding signature on the FV deal is that of Keir Gordon, the solicitor of late #BWFC owner Eddie Davies. He adds that the situation is "outside my control". A full statement is expected in due course through his legal reps. #bwfc

Latest from Iles. I wouldn't be trusting what Ken says though.

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Re: Bolton

Post by Nonayforever » Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:19 pm

When the club is liquidated it will be interesting reading on who is to blame.

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Re: Bolton

Post by claptrappers_union » Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:26 pm

It weird reading the beginning of thread, the opening post is about the club about to be taken over.

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Re: Bolton

Post by ClaretTony » Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:28 pm

claptrappers_union wrote:It weird reading the beginning of thread, the opening post is about the club about to be taken over.
Hadn't realised the thread had been running that long

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Re: Bolton

Post by Grumps » Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:31 pm

The thread is disjointed and doesn't make sense, any chance it can be unmerged please

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Re: Bolton

Post by bfcmik » Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:34 pm

As much as I get the tradition view the situation, in reality, is that they have been legally insolvent for many years and only managed to keep playing because of dodgy, if legal, accounting practices and not paying people and businesses what they owe. They get away with it because it is a community's football club however their situation can be compared to a local shop or even a local newspaper - maybe much loved but no longer a viable business. Too many local competitors as well as TV makes life extremely tough for small town clubs, especially when a location is over-provided with such businesses as the Manchester/ Lancashire area clearly is.

The integrity of the whole football pyramid means that clubs will be born or be reborn and some clubs will die - just as the affectionately regarded Woolworth chain of stores did a couple of decades ago.

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Re: Bolton

Post by NL Claret » Mon Aug 26, 2019 1:47 pm

I'd imagine most Bolton fans would like to rewind the clock back to 1997 and redevelop Burnden rather than building a stadium they could not afford. The hotel has been the only thing that has made a profit.

Most of the Bolton fans I know only gave it a couple of seasons at the Reebok then packed in going. When we went in the promotion season when vokes scored the crowd was sparse. Even thiner on the ground last season when I went v WBA. Parking wasn't an issue.

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