NL Claret wrote:How are they allowed to play whereas Bury are not?

And that is the $64000 question

King Solomon's solution would be for Bassini and Anderson to buy half each

Seems fair to me

bfcmik wrote:And that is the $64000 question

Which is precisely $64000 more than Bolton are worth.

bfcjg wrote:Which is precisely $64000 more than Bolton are worth.

They probably dream of being worth £0

Falcon wrote:They probably dream of being worth £0

I missed three noughts off good spot.

Bassini challenge turned over. Takeover could go ahead.
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Just an indication of the mess they're in ....

My neighbour is a Doncaster Rovers fan, trying to buy a ticket for next Tuesday's league fixture for Bolton v Doncaster. He lives in Burnley, but Bolton won't send his tickets direct. He'd have to go to Doncaster to pick up tickets, because you can't pay on the day, as Bolton administrators won't authorise the wages of the turnstile staff. As for Bolton fans, they can buy their tickets on-line, and are encouraged to use the " Print ticket at home " function, to avoid having to queue to collect them. No season tickets are sold ....

Today's game with Tranmere was nearly suspended due to Bolton's lack of players. Their medical staff are worried about the fitness of the young players and Bolton cannot register players.

Fair play to their fans, BOlton News reckons 2000 going to Tranmere.

Lost 5-0 today. Could be a very long and tough season for their fans.

Reality check today,after their draw last week,but the whole club is a mess,and until the off the field affairs are sorted ,these results will continue.

The club have unilaterally postponed tomorrow's match due to concern's over player welfare of their kids

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This is going to be a difficult one for the EFL - I feel the decision is right for the youngsters

Whose fault is it they have no senior players ? They cannot be picking and choosing when games are played.If they cant pay players and therefore cannot fulfil fixtures they should be expelled. The League still havent punished them for not playing the Brentford fixture

I still don't understand why the league stopped Bury from playing but allowed Bolton to play. Bolton tried to get Saturday's game at Tranmere called off but the league wouldn't allow it, now they have called one off regardless.

randomclaret2 wrote:Whose fault is it they have no senior players ? They cannot be picking and choosing when games are played.If they cant pay players and therefore cannot fulfil fixtures they should be expelled. The League still havent punished them for not playing the Brentford
fixture

as far as I understand The league won't let them sign anyone at the moment

ClaretTony wrote:I still don't understand why the league stopped Bury from playing but allowed Bolton to play. Bolton tried to get Saturday's game at Tranmere called off but the league wouldn't allow it, now they have called one off regardless.

Complete double standards Tony.....so very wrong!

ClaretTony wrote:I still don't understand why the league stopped Bury from playing but allowed Bolton to play. Bolton tried to get Saturday's game at Tranmere called off but the league wouldn't allow it, now they have called one off regardless.

I think it comes down to one issue

Bury have an owner with football creditors who have not and continue not to be paid outstanding dues to date

Bolton had one of those - he has gone - with administrators now in charge who have found buyers that the EFL deem fit and proper and who importantly have no outstanding due payments to football creditors - the club does but not them as yet

Bolton have already messed the league up with the 5-0 game, them +5 goals could be the difference between staying up and going down yet Donny won't get that chance. They and bury should both be expelled, sad but needs to happen, they should never have been allowed to start. The EFL have got egg on their faces and some serious questions need to be answered

It makes a mockery of the competition. Tranmere get 3 pts and 5 goals yet Doncaster could play this game after the registration embargo has been lifted against a totally different Bolton team.

Chester Perry wrote:I think it comes down to one issue

Bury have an owner with football creditors who have not and continue not to be paid outstanding dues to date

Bolton had one of those - he has gone - with administrators now in charge who have found buyers that the EFL deem fit and proper and who importantly have no outstanding due payments to football creditors - the club does but not them as yet

Is this the same EFL that allowed Dale to buy Bury even though he allegedly FAILED the fit and proper test??

ClaretDiver wrote:Is this the same EFL that allowed Dale to buy Bury even though he allegedly FAILED the fit and proper test??

He failed the fit and proper test however there's nothing to stop Dale becoming the owner. The EFL penalised Bury with a player registration embargo. The rules are shot, Bury should have been suspended in December rather than an embargo.

The whole situation with both clubs is now farcical. Bolton have called the game off, what's the punishment? Same as for not playing Brentford at the end of last season, which was...........

What result will EFL conjure up when Bury `play`Bolton ? I guess both teams will be awarded a 1-0 win and 3 points because the other team failed to turn up.

NL Claret wrote:He failed the fit and proper test however there's nothing to stop Dale becoming the owner. The EFL penalised Bury with a player registration embargo. The rules are shot, Bury should have been suspended in December rather than an embargo.

The whole situation with both clubs is now farcical. Bolton have called the game off, what's the punishment? Same as for not playing Brentford at the end of last season, which was...........

They will have a penalty against them for failing to fulfill a fixture just as they will for the Brentford game from last season.

But this farce has to stop now and they cannot be allowed to continue, playing kids in one game then calling the next one off in the hope of them having a stronger squad when it is rescheduled.

ClaretTony wrote:They will have a penalty against them for failing to fulfill a fixture just as they will for the Brentford game from last season.

But this farce has to stop now and they cannot be allowed to continue, playing kids in one game then calling the next one off in the hope of them having a stronger squad when it is rescheduled.

I was just about to post that surely Bolton are due either a points deduction, or Donny are due the win, due to the football league not ratifying the postponement.

ClaretTony wrote:They will have a penalty against them for failing to fulfill a fixture just as they will for the Brentford game from last season.

But this farce has to stop now and they cannot be allowed to continue, playing kids in one game then calling the next one off in the hope of them having a stronger squad when it is rescheduled.

Both Bury and Bolton should now be expelled. And the league should be completed with the remaining 22 teams. Bury and Bolton should be classed as relegated teams. This gives time for fixtures to be rearranged and the season completed. Obviously Bury and Boltons records should be expunged. EFL can then amend promotion relegation to and from D2 as required. EFL are simply making themselves into a laughing stock.

Doncaster Rovers chief executive Gavin Baldwin has spoken following Bolton Wanderers’ announcement that they have postponed Tuesday’s Sky Bet League One fixture.

He said: “Bolton Wanderers have postponed this game without the agreement of Rovers or the EFL, and we were surprised to learn of the news via Bolton’s social media.

“We have a lot of sympathy for Bolton’s plight, but we’ve prepared for this game as normal and fully expected it to go ahead. We will work with the EFL to understand this situation and keep supporters as informed as we can when we are able to say more.”

They cannot get away with this.If any club with a lot of injuries or a young struggling squad can simply unilaterally call a game off then the League structure is finished.

bfcmik wrote:Lost 5-0 today. Could be a very long and tough season for their fans.

After their gloating over the SuBo treachery, I hope it's a long slow death

They cannot be allowed to do this for every midweek fixture and they can't sign players, except OOC guys, until January. Meaning these kids have got a long Autumn ahead.
If the takeover isn't done in a fortnight they have to be booted for the sake of the competition.

Some players are expected to miss training on Thursday to collect their GCSE results.

I think with us having reached the point we have, and with Bolton themselves cancelling a fixture it's time for the League to step up.
It's becoming unfair on the other 22 teams and could ultimately affect promotion ' relegation issues.
My solution:
Expunge the results of games Bolton have so far played, and cancel all Bolton and Bury fixtures till the end of the season.
Only 2 teams get relegated with 4 promoted.
Bury and Bolton have until Dec 31st to get their house properly in order and make cast iron guarantees. If they can do so they can then start next season in Div 2 on minus 10. If either or both fail to do so then they lose their place in the league pyramid.
Time to end the farce.

What about suspending both their memberships for this season, and, assuming they can sort their affairs out, relegating them direct to the National League .... 2 others to go down to League 2, with the usual 4 promoted ....

Then just relegate the bottom side from League 2, and promote the top two from the National League, + one other from the play-offs as usual ...

I’m not sure the league really know what to do but this decision is appalling given they’ve not even spoken to Doncaster.

You can’t award them the game in fairness but Bolton, should they eventually play, will have to have points deducted.

It has surely now reached the point where the league must expel them.

Just seen this from the league:

The EFL remains acutely aware of the ongoing risks this challenging and complex situation has to the integrity of the competition

I hope they are aware.

You get the impression that the only reason this situation is being allowed to continue, both Bolton and Bury, is that the EFL are going to come under intense scrutiny if/when they are told they cannot compete in League One this season - bearing in mind both were in a terrible mess long before the season started.

Aside from the further punishment coming Bolton's way for tomorrow's postponement what do the league do about the 'result' - as has been said there's no way Doncaster will accept a re-scheduled game later in the season when Bolton may have a team of senior pros available. Likewise if Doncaster are awarded the game at a nominal 2-0 scoreline they might well say they expected to win 5-0 - which could be significant if promotion/play-off places are decided on goal difference.

Difficult to see an acceptable way out from the corner the EFL have recklessly painted themselves into.

nil_desperandum wrote:I think with us having reached the point we have, and with Bolton themselves cancelling a fixture it's time for the League to step up.
It's becoming unfair on the other 22 teams and could ultimately affect promotion ' relegation issues.
My solution:
Expunge the results of games Bolton have so far played, and cancel all Bolton and Bury fixtures till the end of the season.
Only 2 teams get relegated with 4 promoted.
Bury and Bolton have until Dec 31st to get their house properly in order and make cast iron guarantees. If they can do so they can then start next season in Div 2 on minus 10. If either or both fail to do so then they lose their place in the league pyramid.
Time to end the farce.

This is exactly what the EFL should be working towards instead of pussyfooting about,either they are able to fulfil their duties as league members or they are not.

Bolton are due to play Ipswich on Saturday,and yet Ipswich don't know if the game will go ahead or not,how on earth can they prepare their squad if they don't know what's happening,not to mention the many Ipswich fans who may well have already booked transport and maybe even time off work why should they suffer for Bolton's convenience.

Bury's fixture away to Tranmere is still scheduled to go ahead,but nobody would be if that was postponed as well.

Someone in the EFL hierarchy has to take the bull by the horns and deal with this situation ASAP,it's becoming more ridiculous by the day now.

Really this should have been sorted one way or another before the season commenced,but the league don't have the balls to take the hard decisions required.

Looking forward to September 8th. Bury v Bolton scheduled

FCBurnley wrote:Looking forward to September 8th. Bury v Bolton scheduled

That’s international break weekend isn’t it?

It used to be the done thing to mock the old school administrators of the FA and Football League but they put the jokers who run things now to shame

randomclaret2 wrote:It used to be the done thing to mock the old school administrators of the FA and Football League but they put the jokers who run things now to shame

I think the Premier League has been well run, certainly in the Scudamore era, but the Football League has been anything but. The two clowns who did the contract full of holes with ITV Digital were bad enough but I’ll never understand how Shaun Harvey was given the top job. The League and football are paying the price now.

ClaretTony wrote:That’s international break weekend isn’t it?

Not sure but it is listed on bbc. Actually Bolton v bury on the Sunday. 12.30 ko

FCBurnley wrote:Not sure but it is listed on bbc. Actually Bolton v bury on the Sunday. 12.30 ko

Just checked, it is the break weekend.

ClaretTony wrote:I’m not sure the league really know what to do but this decision is appalling given they’ve not even spoken to Doncaster.

You can’t award them the game in fairness but Bolton, should they eventually play, will have to have points deducted.

It has surely now reached the point where the league must expel them.

Your last point is correct. What would be the point of a further points deduction? They're as good as relegated now, so they could just continue messing everyone around and end up on minus 50. But minus, 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 what does it matter?
Meanwhile they're distorting the competition / league.

nil_desperandum wrote:Your last point is correct. What would be the point of a further points deduction? They're as good as relegated now, so they could just continue messing everyone around and end up on minus 50. But minus, 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 what does it matter?
Meanwhile they're distorting the competition / league.

I’ve never been in favour of points deductions for admin, they do distort the competition. I’ve always felt an automatic one division drop for the following season is better so when Bolton went into admin last season AND were relegated too, they should have dropped two divisions.

ClaretTony wrote:I’ve never been in favour of points deductions for admin, they do distort the competition. I’ve always felt an automatic one division drop for the following season is better so when Bolton went into admin last season AND were relegated too, they should have dropped two divisions.

That is absolutely correct.
Do you remember when Peterborough Utd were found to be in breach of the rules in the early 60s and were told that they would be relegated at the end of the season?
They had no further incentive to win matches, and effectively gave up. Without checking I think they were pretty near the top and ended up bottom. They should have been told that if they got relegated they would drop 2 divisions.
(That having been said I doubt Dyche would have allowed team to just give up).

nil_desperandum wrote:That is absolutely correct.
Do you remember when Peterborough Utd were found to be in breach of the rules in the early 60s and were told that they would be relegated at the end of the season?
They had no further incentive to win matches, and effectively gave up. Without checking I think they were pretty near the top and ended up bottom. They should have been told that if they got relegated they would drop 2 divisions.
(That having been said I doubt Dyche would have allowed team to just give up).

I’d forgotten the Peterborough one and there is that problem of them giving up.

ClaretTony wrote:I’d forgotten the Peterborough one and there is that problem of them giving up.

Just checked. It was a bit later than I recalled.
1967 / 8.
They were 4th in the old Div 3 after 19 games but after the "punishment" they ended up 24th with just 31 points

nil_desperandum wrote:Just checked. It was a bit later than I recalled.
1967 / 8.
They were 4th in the old Div 3 after 19 games but after the "punishment" they ended up 24th with just 31 points

I'd forgotten all about it. They hadn't been in the league that long either.

nil_desperandum wrote:That is absolutely correct.
Do you remember when Peterborough Utd were found to be in breach of the rules in the early 60s and were told that they would be relegated at the end of the season?
They had no further incentive to win matches, and effectively gave up. Without checking I think they were pretty near the top and ended up bottom. They should have been told that if they got relegated they would drop 2 divisions.
(That having been said I doubt Dyche would have allowed team to just give up).

Man United got caught doing the same thing at the same time, without even the excuse that they were new and didn't know the rules. They were relegated as well, of course, because it would have been ridiculous and dishonest not to treat them the same. Oh, hang on - it appears they weren't relegated after all, they were fined instead - about four and sixpence, probably. They apparently got off on a technicality, the technicality being that they were Manchester United.

Things don't change.

bfcmik wrote:Lost 5-0 today. Could be a very long and tough season for their fans.

Irrespective of history ....and I never liked Bolton in particular..it really is sad Times for the genuine Fans /people of Bolton. Greed got in the way of a once great club.we shouldn't Gloat.

nil_desperandum wrote:I think with us having reached the point we have, and with Bolton themselves cancelling a fixture it's time for the League to step up.
It's becoming unfair on the other 22 teams and could ultimately affect promotion ' relegation issues.
My solution:
Expunge the results of games Bolton have so far played, and cancel all Bolton and Bury fixtures till the end of the season.
Only 2 teams get relegated with 4 promoted.
Bury and Bolton have until Dec 31st to get their house properly in order and make cast iron guarantees. If they can do so they can then start next season in Div 2 on minus 10. If either or both fail to do so then they lose their place in the league pyramid.
Time to end the farce.

Can’t really see how this would work either. How can a club operate at all without their only revenue stream - ie staging football matches? Both clubs would inevitably fold anyway, and why should they be allowed to be “reborn” in League 2 after missing an entire season of fixtures?

It’s very sad, and I genuinely sympathise with their fans, but surely now enough’s enough.