Climate Change

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:36 pm

Remember how climate scientists warned about more extreme weather? Well, contrast this February with last February and know that you are experiencing it.

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:39 pm

I can't remember last week, never mind last February, so it doesn't affect me

Guich · Post by **Guich** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:42 pm

Just saying that to Mrs G. We're both working at home and had lunch outside. Fantastic!

We were snowed in last April though so let's not get too giddy.

Enjoy the weather and stop dumping plastic in the oceans I say

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:43 pm

Has every February been the same weather previous to this year ? No fluctuation in temp ever ?

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:50 pm

Another idiot who doesn't understand the difference between climate and weather

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:53 pm

Yes its as hot as it was in 1991.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:54 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Remember how climate scientists warned about more extreme weather? Well, contrast this February with last February and know that you are experiencing it.

Fantastic isn't it!!

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 1:54 pm

Guich wrote:Just saying that to Mrs G. We're both working at home and had lunch outside. Fantastic!

We were snowed in last April though so let's not get too giddy.

Enjoy the weather and stop dumping plastic in the oceans I say

Exactly. That is a major probelm that we should be really concerned about.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:33 pm

Damo wrote:Another idiot who doesn't understand the difference between climate and weather

Indeed, but i'm not allowed to call people idiots anymore because people like you get upset, so thanks for calling him it for me.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:40 pm

Rileybobs wrote:Fantastic isn't it!!

For us, today? Yes.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:44 pm

looking forward to sledging in June...

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:45 pm

We should put all the climate change deniers in a boat and push them off the edge of the flat earth

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:48 pm

Falcon wrote:We should put all the climate change deniers in a boat and push them off the edge of the flat earth

We're waiting until all the ice around the edge melts. Won't be long.

bob-the-scutter · Post by **bob-the-scutter** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:49 pm

Stayingup wrote:Yes its as hot as it was in 1991.

Exactly!
Oh, hang on, last year's hottest summer on record was the 2nd since 1976.
We're all doomed!

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 3:53 pm

A friend went to the Glasgow Film Festival last week and enjoyed balmy weather.

Last year, during the same week, the cinema had to cancel several films and shut early so that staff could get home through several feet of snow.

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:11 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:We're waiting until all the ice around the edge melts.

https://janus.astro.umd.edu/front/pages ... arth2.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

grapidianclaret · Post by **grapidianclaret** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:16 pm

It won't really affect us, so lets joke about it whenever it comes up. I like to look my three boys in the eye when I joke about it. They will still see the funny side. Can't wait till I am a grand parent, then I can look my grand kids in the eye and share the joke with them.

grapidianclaret · Post by **grapidianclaret** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:17 pm

Is this a political thread?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:50 pm

grapidianclaret wrote:Is this a political thread?

No. It's a climate change thread.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:54 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:No. It's a climate change thread.

It is now.

Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May having sexual relations caused the extra few degrees in temperature - it got very hot.

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:56 pm

bfccrazy wrote:It is now.

Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May having sexual relations caused the extra few degrees in temperature - it got very hot.

Well that's a mental image I didn't need.

Can we hasten the climate change a bit so I don't have to live in a world where your post exists?

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 4:56 pm

Damo wrote:Another idiot who doesn't understand the difference between climate and weather

He actually has a point there. I 100% believe in climate change and 100% accept it's man made.

But the fact the air is blowing up from the tropics this week is the reason it's glorious. It would be glorious in any week for the last 200 years with that set up. And it was freezing last year because the wind blew from the east, originating in Siberia.

It'd be better to say it's 17°C today, rather than 16°C because of climate change, although that isn't so dramatic I guess.

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:00 pm

That's the thing. Extreme weather has always happened from time to time. The only difference is that it will happen more and more often as the Earth warms.

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:01 pm

Falcon wrote:Well that's a mental image I didn't need.

Can we hasten the climate change a bit so I don't have to live in a world where your post exists?

That’s where everything has been going wrong!

We don’t need Al Gore going around the world talking about how we need to save the planet - just need posters of Corbyn and May in hot romp plastered all over til people change their ways.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:03 pm

NottsClaret wrote:He actually has a point there. I 100% believe in climate change and 100% accept it's man made.

But the fact the air is blowing up from the tropics this week is the reason it's glorious. It would be glorious in any week for the last 200 years with that set up. And it was freezing last year because the wind blew from the east, originating in Siberia.

It'd be better to say it's 17°C today, rather than 16°C because of climate change, although that isn't so dramatic I guess.

Of course individual extreme weather patterns can be explained. That doesn't mean climate change hasn't contributed. Climate change makes these weather patterns more likely to happen. That's their contribution.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:37 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Of course individual extreme weather patterns can be explained. That doesn't mean climate change hasn't contributed. Climate change makes these weather patterns more likely to happen. That's their contribution.

When did `Climate Change ` begin ?

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:03 pm

FCBurnley wrote:When did `Climate Change ` begin ?

I would hazard a guess at about 4.5 billion years ago?

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:25 pm

https://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/6 ... ps-melting" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"All the scare stories you have ever read about the Antarctic concern one of the few relatively accessible parts: the West Antarctic Ice Sheet.

This has indeed been breaking off in large chunks, which alarmist scientists and newspapers have claimed makes it a dread harbinger of man-made global warming.

Or at least they did until last year when the University of Texas discovered that the more likely cause of this melt, which has been going on for 20,000 years by the way, was the geothermal heat from all the volcanoes sitting underneath it"

Aclaret · Post by **Aclaret** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:38 pm

Global warming ? Bring it on.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:59 pm

FCBurnley wrote:When did `Climate Change ` begin ?

When the earth formed, i guess. But i think even the most dim-witted of users know i'm referring to anthropomorphic climate change when I use the term 'climate change'. Not you though.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:02 pm

Dazzler wrote:https://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/6 ... ps-melting

"All the scare stories you have ever read about the Antarctic concern one of the few relatively accessible parts: the West Antarctic Ice Sheet.

This has indeed been breaking off in large chunks, which alarmist scientists and newspapers have claimed makes it a dread harbinger of man-made global warming.

Or at least they did until last year when the University of Texas discovered that the more likely cause of this melt, which has been going on for 20,000 years by the way, was the geothermal heat from all the volcanoes sitting underneath it"

Nothing James Delingpole is worth listening to. Much less if it involves science. Would you like to see a clip of him? I would. Here you go.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xp20pc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Dazzler · Post by **Dazzler** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:26 pm

I've come across Delingpole a number of times on podcasts & interviews over the past few years. I enjoy listening to controversial folk.

It challenges the mind.

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:47 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:When the earth formed, i guess. But i think even the most dim-witted of users know i'm referring to anthropomorphic climate change when I use the term 'climate change'. Not you though.

I assumed that you would understand my simple question. Clearly not. So, in your esteemed opinion when did current anthropomorphic climate change begin ? Hope that is easier for you to understand.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:52 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:When the earth formed, i guess. But i think even the most dim-witted of users know i'm referring to anthropomorphic climate change when I use the term 'climate change'. Not you though.

Climate change with human characteristics? Now there's a novelty.

Maybe anthropogenic?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:55 pm

dsr wrote:Climate change with human characteristics? Now there's a novelty.

Maybe anthropogenic?

Yes.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:58 pm

FCBurnley wrote:I assumed that you would understand my simple question. Clearly not. So, in your esteemed opinion when did current anthropogenic climate change begin ? Hope that is easier for you to understand.

When we started adding CO2 to the climate that previous climates had already taken care of, on an industrial scale. You know the answer. All deniers know the answer. But i'm curious to see where you're leading with your denialism today, so i'll humour you. The industrial revolution is typically cited as when man started affecting the planet's climate.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:59 pm

The climate is changing and it always has the question is whether the human race is now responsible for changes that did not occur naturally. Most if not all of us will be dead and buried before it can be shown that our behaviour is making things worse. The theory of greenhouse gases seems plausible and to wait until it is nailed on that we have caused some of the problems with the climate would be daft when we can do something to steady the rise in greenhouse gases now. It may like the millenium bug be all wrong but a wait and see attitude is not the way to go about things as my solar panels produced 13kw today.
Daffodils seem early too this year

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:00 pm

mdd2 wrote:The climate is changing and it always has the question is whether the human race is now responsible for changes that did not occur naturally. ...

I disagree. That question has been asked and answered, and anyone who thinks otherwise should be ignored on the issue.

The current question is "so, what are we going to do about it?"

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:04 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:When we started adding CO2 to the climate that previous climates had already taken care of, on an industrial scale. You know the answer. All deniers know the answer. But i'm curious to see where you're leading with your denialism today, so i'll humour you. The industrial revolution is typically cited as when man started affecting the planet's climate.

Not leading anywhere. Just a very simple straight forward question. So around the time of the industrial revolution ? What makes you think I I am in denial of global climate change ?

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:09 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Yes.

Don't mention it.

When did the CO2 become enough to make a difference? Not when the first spinning jenny came into use, obviously. When did man's cumulative emission of carbon become enough to make a difference, and how much later than that (assuming there must be a lead time) did the effects become visible?

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:14 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:When we started adding CO2 to the climate that previous climates had already taken care of, on an industrial scale. You know the answer. All deniers know the answer. But i'm curious to see where you're leading with your denialism today, so i'll humour you. The industrial revolution is typically cited as when man started affecting the planet's climate.

BGS 1959 ish CO2 in the atmosphere 0.03% and now around 0.04%- that is one hell of an increase and I think it was around 0.025% in the 1700's.
Hasn't the problem resulted from digging up and burning trapped carbon and the increase in population and the strive for better standards of living.
Often wondered how much CO2 an extra 3 billion folk make each year just from being alive. Take in 500ml/breath 12 times/minute 0.04% breathed in 4% in 500ml breathed out and do that for 60 years that must be quite a bit of CO2 let alone the methane from the other end!!!!
IT are you saying there has not been previous times of temperature changes like the mini cooling around the 15th 16th centuries?

SmudgetheClaret · Post by **SmudgetheClaret** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:38 pm

Climate change isn't the correct name it should be called more tax on the middle class...

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:42 pm

mdd2 wrote:BGS 1959 ish CO2 in the atmosphere 0.03% and now around 0.04%- that is one hell of an increase and I think it was around 0.025% in the 1700's.
Hasn't the problem resulted from digging up and burning trapped carbon and the increase in population and the strive for better standards of living.
Often wondered how much CO2 an extra 3 billion folk make each year just from being alive. Take in 500ml/breath 12 times/minute 0.04% breathed in 4% in 500ml breathed out and do that for 60 years that must be quite a bit of CO2 let alone the methane from the other end!!!!
IT are you saying there has not been previous times of temperature changes like the mini cooling around the 15th 16th centuries?

I'm not saying that at all. Why would you even ask that?

Also, this will help you answer questions about our breathing.
https://www.skepticalscience.com/breath ... ioxide.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:50 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I'm not saying that at all. Why would you even ask that?

Also, this will help you answer questions about our breathing.
https://www.skepticalscience.com/breath ... ioxide.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Reference not found IT, precis it-is our mere existence ( from 1-7billion) a problem?

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:54 pm

dsr wrote:Don't mention it.

When did the CO2 become enough to make a difference? Not when the first spinning jenny came into use, obviously. When did man's cumulative emission of carbon become enough to make a difference, and how much later than that (assuming there must be a lead time) did the effects become visible?

I have to give you credit, you're very good at asking questions that make it look like you're a good faith participant in this discussion but really you're a denier.

As always happens when it comes to climate science, you ask unanswerable questions that you KNOW are unanswerable questions purely so that when you don't get an answer you can say "well, i guess we just don't really know about the science yet, do we?"

I refer you to my previous sentiment from the middle of last month.

tarkys_ears · Post by **tarkys_ears** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:55 pm

Clearly you didn't buy FIFA or you might have something better to do than trying to start an argument about climate change

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:56 pm

mdd2 wrote:Reference not found IT, precis it-is our mere existence ( from 1-7billion) a problem?

You wondered if our breathing contributes to climate change. It doesn't. The link i offered explains why.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:57 pm

tarkys_ears wrote:Clearly you didn't buy FIFA or you might have something better to do than trying to start an argument about climate change

Thanks for your contribution. Top class.

Claretincraven · Post by **Claretincraven** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:35 pm

I saw a fantastic quote from a guy from E3G who apparently are an environmental lobbying group.
Today's warm weather is all due to climate change. Just imagine if the temperature was twice the seasonal average in the middle of summer.
Bonkers. It's twice the average for the time of the year because the wind is blowing up from the Canaries, and not from the North Atlantic which is the normal weather pattern for late February.

wickdkewlclaret · Post by **wickdkewlclaret** » Mon Feb 25, 2019 9:45 pm

Claretincraven wrote:I saw a fantastic quote from a guy from E3G who apparently are an environmental lobbying group.
Today's warm weather is all due to climate change. Just imagine if the temperature was twice the seasonal average in the middle of summer.
Bonkers. It's twice the average for the time of the year because the wind is blowing up from the Canaries, and not from the North Atlantic which is the normal weather pattern for late February.

Climate change has affected the Gulf Stream pattern permanently, it seldom goes from west to east consistently any more.