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Money back from an Abandon game?

Post by South West Claret. » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:29 pm

Went to the Exmouth Town v Plymouth Reserves Cup match last night and it was abandon at HT because of fog.

My questions in the event are what are the laws/Rules governing money back or not? I had to scoot for the bus after the Ref's decision but asked a couple of fellas before and they didn't know.

That's the 3rd time iv'e experienced it over the years once in the 60's (for a mass brawl) and our game at Derby (fog).

Looked on the FA site and can't find anything about money back or not, but as we only saw 50% of the game I expected a refund or free entrance to the replay.

Does anyone hear know from recent experience what the actual Laws/Rules are on the subject please.

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Post by dsr » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:37 pm

You need to ask Exmouth Town. Different clubs have different rules. How much money are you talking about?

You wouldn't normally get a refund if the game is half finished.

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Post by dpinsussex » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:38 pm

Clubs discretion I believe

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Post by dpinsussex » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:39 pm

dsr wrote:You need to ask Exmouth Town. Different clubs have different rules. How much money are you talking about?

You wouldn't normally get a refund if the game is half finished.
Sounds like a senior cup game. Probably £8-10

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Post by theroyaldyche » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:43 pm

Costs more to turn your pc on and type the original post

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Post by Goobs » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:44 pm

Sod PPI and Airport delays. This could be the next big compo claim and we can get in on the ground floor. UTC up the claims, we'll take 50% of everything we claim for you.

Who's with me?
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Post by dpinsussex » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:51 pm

Quick Google search

In terms of the match day ticket process for next season, entry to Southern Road for games will be £5 an adult and £4 for Over-65s and Under-18s. In addition, the club are also introducing free entry for all Under-16s next season. For the six pre-season matches set for Southern Road, entry will be £4 for all, but again, the club is keen to point to the ‘free for Under-16s’ which will also apply to the pre-season programme.

Tight Wad comes to mind :) :)

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:56 pm

Send a letter to the club, make sure it has to be signed for so you can prove they have got it.

Should cost no more than £2 to claim back your £2. Alternatively you could leave the amount in a non league clubs coffers.
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Post by South West Claret. » Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:56 pm

dsr wrote:You need to ask Exmouth Town. Different clubs have different rules. How much money are you talking about?

You wouldn't normally get a refund if the game is half finished.
Surely the FA should a have definitive Laws/Rules on the subject and not left to individual Clubs who will for obvious self interest reasons say no.

BTW I have emailed the FA asking the question but thought in the meantime I will ask on here.

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Post by Reckoner » Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:15 pm

You've written to the FA to request details of definitive rules in relation to non league games abandoned before the end to check on the legal status of your £5?

Inspiring stuff comrade.
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Post by maccclaret » Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:35 pm

You should get your money back if there were less than 20 overs.
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Post by South West Claret. » Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:38 pm

dpinsussex wrote:Clubs discretion I believe
Not as far as they are concerned DiS, answer from the club is "we will contact the FA and see what they say, but unfortunately it's not down to us as a club."

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Post by Goobs » Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:51 pm

South West Claret. wrote:Not as far as they are concerned DiS, answer from the club is "we will contact the FA and see what they say, but unfortunately it's not down to us as a club."
They've probably no idea, as nobody has ever bothered to ask for a refund before ;)
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Post by dsr » Thu Feb 28, 2019 3:56 pm

Are you after compensation for your travel costs as well, or just the £2.50's worth of football that you missed?

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Post by Reckoner » Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:00 pm

This thread is like listening to North Norfolk Digital
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Post by Rileybobs » Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:08 pm

You won't get anywhere dealing with the FA or the club in question. A matter like this needs escalating to the top, I'd go straight to the the Independent Football Ombudsman.

Good luck and keep us updated!

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Post by Bosscat » Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:36 pm

South West Claret. wrote:Went to the Exmouth Town v Plymouth Reserves Cup match last night and it was abandon at HT because of fog.

My questions in the event are what are the laws/Rules governing money back or not? I had to scoot for the bus after the Ref's decision but asked a couple of fellas before and they didn't know.

That's the 3rd time iv'e experienced it over the years once in the 60's (for a mass brawl) and our game at Derby (fog).

Looked on the FA site and can't find anything about money back or not, but as we only saw 50% of the game I expected a refund or free entrance to the replay.

Does anyone hear know from recent experience what the actual Laws/Rules are on the subject please.
Write to Theresa May ... take it to the top...

I am sure she will find time between brexit and sorting out the debacle that is the UK Government.

Thats my thoughts anyway good luck :D

Just as an aside we got €1200 (€600 each for me n the Mrs) for a delay with Virgin m8 just to rub it in ;)

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Post by ŽižkovClaret » Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:40 pm

For the last time, its ABERDEEN!
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Re: Money back from an Abandon game?

Post by bfcmik » Thu Feb 28, 2019 5:39 pm

Exmouth Town will still have to pay all the expenses for the game, just because it was abandoned at half time will not lower the costs by much, if at all. You paid to for admission to the venue and you got what you paid for, just a little shorter than you were anticipating but it was not Exmouth Town's fault proceedings were cut short.

However, would you have been expecting a bill asking for more money in the event of extra time being played? Same principle.

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Post by dpinsussex » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:13 pm

Attendance was 180 so allowing for kids and pensioners say 3 quid ahead. £540 revenue.
Referees match fees £150
Food and drink for players, club officials and match officials £100
Floodlights £30
Staffing assuming most are volunteers £100
Kit washing say £20
Pitch costs assuming their own £50

Leaves them with not much. About £90.

Grumpy spectators demanding their money back - less than 20 needed.

Support grass roots football and let it go as one of those things.
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Post by Ashingtonclaret46 » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:26 pm

dpinsussex wrote:Attendance was 180 so allowing for kids and pensioners say 3 quid ahead. £540 revenue.
Referees match fees £150
Food and drink for players, club officials and match officials £100
Floodlights £30
Staffing assuming most are volunteers £100
Kit washing say £20
Pitch costs assuming their own £50

Leaves them with not much. About £90.

Grumpy spectators demanding their money back - less than 20 needed.

Support grass roots football and let it go as one of those things.
In addition they have to stage the match again so more expense coming their way.
It was a County Cup game so the County FA will probably have something in their Rules which cover a match being abandoned because they normally govern the admission charges for such games up this end of the country anyway.

I suppose that they could always ask the PL to help them out because they are always 'championing' grassroots football and saying what they do for it.
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Post by South West Claret. » Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:21 pm

dpinsussex wrote:Attendance was 180 so allowing for kids and pensioners say 3 quid ahead. £540 revenue.
Referees match fees £150
Food and drink for players, club officials and match officials £100
Floodlights £30
Staffing assuming most are volunteers £100
Kit washing say £20
Pitch costs assuming their own £50

Leaves them with not much. About £90.

Grumpy spectators demanding their money back - less than 20 needed.

Support grass roots football and let it go as one of those things.
Costings irrelevant when you consider the money that changes hands behind the scenes at some clubs at these lower levels.

If anyone’s grumpy it certainly isn’t me on here.

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Post by South West Claret. » Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:23 pm

Ashingtonclaret46 wrote:In addition they have to stage the match again so more expense coming their way.
It was a County Cup game so the County FA will probably have something in their Rules which cover a match being abandoned because they normally govern the admission charges for such games up this end of the country anyway.

I suppose that they could always ask the PL to help them out because they are always 'championing' grassroots football and saying what they do for it.
Again irrelevant in the overall scheme of things.

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Post by dsr » Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:32 pm

You might do better chasing it up with Plymouth. If it's like other cups, the gate money may be shared; and Plymouth being a professional club, they might be more willing to pay the £1.50 that will be their share of the gate money. You only missed half a game, so you would have lost £1 overall.

All I can offer is my sincerest sympathy and I sincerely hope that nothing so awful ever happens to you again.
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Post by South West Claret. » Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:45 pm

dsr wrote:You might do better chasing it up with Plymouth. If it's like other cups, the gate money may be shared; and Plymouth being a professional club, they might be more willing to pay the £1.50 that will be their share of the gate money. You only missed half a game, so you would have lost £1 overall.

All I can offer is my sincerest sympathy and I sincerely hope that nothing so awful ever happens to you again.
Sarcasm the lowest form of wit.

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Post by paulus the woodgnome » Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:41 am

Is an abandon game the same as an abandoned game?

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Post by deanothedino » Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:29 am

South West Claret. wrote:Sarcasm the lowest form of wit.
Could be worse... He could be spending hours on getting £2.50 back

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Post by claretonthecoast1882 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:08 am

Have you any plans to contact the club where the mass brawl was, maybe get in touch with Derby too. If you get some money back from all 3 games you could possibly get a pint with your refund

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Post by South West Claret. » Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:46 am

Sarcasm the lowest form of wit.

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Post by bfcmik » Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:01 am

South West Claret. wrote:Sarcasm the lowest form of wit.
But often the most satisfying!

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Post by fatboy47 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:08 am

Small claims court could be your best bet.

Don't let go of this one, you're doing it for the common good, it could be any one of us next.
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Post by bfcmatt » Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:09 am

Morning all, i have been reading through the post and i must admit to being a little disappointed with many of the responses on here to somebody who is clearly out of pocket. I am guessing that non of you would be happy to have the "mick" taken out of you over such a delicate issue. As such i have taken it upon my self to open a gofund me page so that we can have a (hopefully) massive collection to help south west get his couple of quid back.
please follow the link to donate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xNQ4F8F49A" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Post by Bosscat » Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:12 am

bfcmatt wrote:Morning all, i have been reading through the post and i must admit to being a little disappointed with many of the responses on here to somebody who is clearly out of pocket. I am guessing that non of you would be happy to have the "mick" taken out of you over such a delicate issue. As such i have taken it upon my self to open a gofund me page so that we can have a (hopefully) massive collection to help south west get his couple of quid back.
please follow the link to donate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xNQ4F8F49A" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Have donated my share of 3p this morning ... it is wonderful to think we can all pull together in times of Crises like these....

Well done all ... lets help our friend in his hour of need.
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Post by IanMcL » Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:49 am

It's not the amount...It's the principle! ;)

I suspect a counter claim from the club, stating that irrespective of the length of the match, the staff were made available to serve pies and drinks. Programme was printed to add pleasure in break times....longer on this occasion. The stadium was lit and hospitable, toilet on use and pitch played on until agreed break time.

Admin costs to investigate complaint and respond, including FA, legal etc.

You owe them £150.
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Post by Rileybobs » Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:10 am

SWC - have you considered setting up a crowd funding page? I bet you'd be surprised by the response and I wouldn't be surprised if you managed to recoup your losses in a matter of hours.

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Post by claptrappers_union » Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:43 pm

SWC, my thoughts are with you and your family at this difficult time.
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Post by wilks_bfc » Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:12 pm

I’m doing a fundraising walk of Hadrians Wall in May.

It was to go towards the grassroots football team I coach at but I’m going to propose we change to this worthy cause
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Post by bfccrazy » Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:35 pm

Next time you’re on the turf gimme a shout and I’ll do my bit for non league football and give you the refund myself - it helps out a non league team and helps out a fellow claret in what must be a terrible time. Double win.

My thoughts are with you mate, ignore the haters and stay strong.

(Please note that you will be depriving me of 1 twix bar which I’m sure people will agree is a huge sacrifice)
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Post by Bosscat » Fri Mar 01, 2019 6:55 pm

Rileybobs wrote:SWC - have you considered setting up a crowd funding page? I bet you'd be surprised by the response and I wouldn't be surprised if you managed to recoup your losses in a matter of hours.
Already done m8
bfcmatt wrote:Morning all, i have been reading through the post and i must admit to being a little disappointed with many of the responses on here to somebody who is clearly out of pocket. I am guessing that non of you would be happy to have the "mick" taken out of you over such a delicate issue. As such i have taken it upon my self to open a gofund me page so that we can have a (hopefully) massive collection to help south west get his couple of quid back.
please follow the link to donate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xNQ4F8F49A" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Post by Paul Waine » Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:16 pm

Hi South West, some interesting points you've raised around abandon(ed) games. I went to t'Turf back when we were a Championship club - I'd driven up from London - and didn't see the game because the "heavens opened" and the game was called off before kick-off. I didn't find out until after I'd parked up and walked to the ground (I guess others did the same that day).

So, I didn't see the game - and couldn't get there for the re-arranged date.

Then there are the season ticket holders who don't get on to some of the games because of personal circumstances - and weren't able to pass to someone who could use it.

And, I'm also thinking about when we turn up - I was at Selhurst Park, for example - and the team don't play well (expressing it politely, of course).

I don't think I've ever left early, but if I had done - I wasn't at Kevin Mac's City game (though apparently he wasn't either), for example....

So, is it the number of minutes the teams are on the pitch or the quality of the football? What is the "sale of goods" contract rights that we have as football fans?

For me, "all is forgiven" when the Clarets play and win. I guess Exmouth Town is your second team?

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Post by Granny WeatherWax » Fri Mar 01, 2019 9:31 pm

Just read all the thread. Surely SWC is on a massive pi$$ take.

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Post by Goobs » Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:07 pm

Granny WeatherWax wrote:Just read all the thread. Surely SWC is on a massive pi$$ take.
Well it's either that or SWC is a massive pi$$ flap

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Post by bfcmatt » Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:09 pm

UPDATE.........
It's good news Bob has decided to get on board with this one. He was absolutely disgusted with the shenanigans from Exmouth when he was told about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUoSIf55FN0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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