Bulger Killer Identity Case

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:20 pm

Had been ruled that it cannot be revealed or the whereabouts for the last few years. If this monster lived near you you have no right to know.

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:24 pm

What do you expect when the law protects the guilty parties..

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:24 pm

That doesn't feel like anything new, or likely to change, so agree or not, what is the point?

Murger · Post by **Murger** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:28 pm

Turtle-head will be along in 3,2,1...

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:32 pm

For the record, i think the law isn't perfect, but i fear that innocent people would get caught up in any revenge, either by mistaken identity, or by being caught in the crossfire so to speak.

It is clear that they are being watched closely, perhaps now more than before due to subsequent offending. It's far from an easy solution, but unless we are to reinstate the death penalty, we are where we are.

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:37 pm

He's been recalled to prison, hasn't he. Let's hope they keep him there for good this time.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:38 pm

Murger wrote:Turtle-head will be along in 3,2,1...

Nah he is rescuing his family in the Phillipines

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-asia-47437671" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

conyoviejo · Post by **conyoviejo** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:40 pm

ZizkovClaret wrote:For the record, i think the law isn't perfect, but i fear that innocent people would get caught up in any revenge, either by mistaken identity, or by being caught in the crossfire so to speak.

It is clear that they are being watched closely, perhaps now more than before due to subsequent offending. It's far from an easy solution, but unless we are to reinstate the death penalty, we are where we are.

They would be watched even closer if they were still in prison where they should be.. Sadistic murdering gits..

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:43 pm

Moot point.
We've been down this road before. Some want the lad's head on a plate, others recognise he was a kid when he did what he did - for whatever reason - and has since shown some more disturbing traits.
We all agree, and know, that he's not going to go free again. Next !

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:43 pm

Good. Don’t want to see anyone else locked up because of that ****.

There would be if his name was revealed.

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:47 pm

Why know? It ruins too many lives to know. Someone will end up with a murder/attempted murder/assault charge, and though he might 'deserve' it, the family and friends of the person who does the assaulting doesn't. And then you end up tabloid headlining as 'random bloke from stoops knifes baby killer to death', which people then cheer, then boo when the stabber gets sent to prison and the bulger killer gets hospital treatment etc etc and that really helps no one.
He shouldn't be allowed to live out his days in peace and harmony, but knowing who and where he is makes your life worse, not better.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:48 pm

Yes, someone would be bound to act lika a "sadistic murdering git" to kill someone they don't even know but consider to be a "sadistic murdering git."

bfccrazy · Post by **bfccrazy** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:51 pm

I think this case shows exactly why the law is in place.

Thompson was seen as the leader when it happened and Venables as the manipulated one.

I read a while ago that the only people that know Thompson’s true identity since release are his “minders” and his partner. He hasn’t been in trouble since and just tried to live a normal life after serving his sentence. If people knew who/where he was, I’m sure there would be many people who wouldn’t have let him do that (I don’t think he should be allowed to, but that’s just personal thoughts on what they did).

Venables has been in trouble multiple times and there were rumours that he was a barman in Burnley for a while too - people should know about where he is IMO but he wouldn’t last there long and it’d just be a bottomless pit of money spent to rehouse and rename him repeatedly.

The law is in place because for every Venables who has just stayed a wrong en - there is also a Thompson who wouldn’t just carry on without reoffending and also have a witch-hunt against him.

As good as it’d be, unfortunately we can’t have a case by case ruling on everything that goes before a judge.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:54 pm

Beautifully put, bfccrazy.
This is exactly why, even now, we have the right to call ourselves a civilised society.
Let the pitchfork mob get outraged about something else............

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 6:59 pm

Leave it as it is. There could be someone with the same name as him and around the same age too. It only takes one bellend, who wants to make a name for himself, and we could end up with another totally innocent victim.

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:10 pm

Blackrod wrote:Had been ruled that it cannot be revealed or the whereabouts for the last few years. If this monster lived near you you have no right to know.

One of them is living a normal life and has stayed out of trouble.

The other is quite rightly back in prison.

Which one are you referring to knowing where he lives?

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:22 pm

ZizkovClaret wrote:For the record, i think the law isn't perfect, but i fear that innocent people would get caught up in any revenge, either by mistaken identity, or by being caught in the crossfire so to speak.

It is clear that they are being watched closely, perhaps now more than before due to subsequent offending. It's far from an easy solution, but unless we are to reinstate the death penalty, we are where we are.

Death penalty? For 10 year olds?

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:24 pm

Foulthrow wrote:Death penalty? For 10 year olds?

Show me where i advocated for it? I simply pointed out that this is a direct result of not having the death penalty, unless the third option of a whole life term is open....

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:29 pm

ZizkovClaret wrote:For the record, i think the law isn't perfect, but i fear that innocent people would get caught up in any revenge, either by mistaken identity, or by being caught in the crossfire so to speak.

It is clear that they are being watched closely, perhaps now more than before due to subsequent offending. It's far from an easy solution, but unless we are to reinstate the death penalty, we are where we are.

Nailed it.

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:30 pm

ZizkovClaret wrote:Show me where i advocated for it? I simply pointed out that this is a direct result of not having the death penalty, unless the third option of a whole life term is open....

It wasn’t clear that you weren’t advocating for it. But, still, they were children, they’ve served their punishment and (IMO) that should be that.

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:33 pm

Foulthrow wrote:It wasn’t clear that you weren’t advocating for it. But, still, they were children, they’ve served their punishment and (IMO) that should be that.

Venables has continued to commit serious crimes. He deserves the chair.

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:44 pm

BurnleyFC wrote:Venables has continued to commit serious crimes. He deserves the chair.

The only chair we do in this country is the dentists chair. As it should be.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:46 pm

Foulthrow wrote:It wasn’t clear that you weren’t advocating for it. But, still, they were children, they’ve served their punishment and (IMO) that should be that.

Because it wasn't your child that died.

Over a billion pounds spent keeping them cretins alive and safe.

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:05 pm

Justice is best served with judgement rather than passion. That’s why we don’t let the victim’s families dole out the punishment.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:13 pm

This sort of thread tends to separate the rational posters from the, you know...

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:21 pm

I seem to remember a case, from a few years ago, where it was somehow revealed that a paedophile was living in a neighbourhood. Unfortunately there was also a paediatrician living in the same area and some numpty, who didn't know the difference between the two, beat the living daylights out of the paediatrician.

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:22 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Because it wasn't your child that died.

Over a billion pounds spent keeping them cretins alive and safe.

A billion? Really?

duncandisorderly · Post by **duncandisorderly** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:23 pm

Funkydrummer wrote:I seem to remember a case, from a few years ago, where it was somehow revealed that a paedophile was living in a neighbourhood. Unfortunately there was also a paediatrician living in the same area and some numpty, who didn't know the difference between the two, beat the living daylights out of the paediatrician.

I think that's an american urban legend gone awry. Nevertheless, your point stands.

Funkydrummer · Post by **Funkydrummer** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:26 pm

duncandisorderly wrote:I think that's an american urban legend gone awry. Nevertheless, your point stands.

Yes, I can't vouch for it's authenticity but as you say, the point still stands.
Very dangerous policy if it were to be adopted.

taio · Post by **taio** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:27 pm

Foulthrow wrote:A billion? Really?

Nah, he was just making stuff up.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:29 pm

Lord Beamish wrote:Justice is best served with judgement rather than passion. That’s why we don’t let the victim’s families dole out the punishment.

Normally I would agree, but child rapists and murderers which both are guilty of, should not be protected at great expense to the taxpayer.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:38 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Normally I would agree, but child rapists and murderers which both are guilty of, should not be protected at great expense to the taxpayer.

And what about mistaken identity?

Most people who get involved with mob rule struggle to understand what a brain cell is!

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:41 pm

Nearly 20 years ago, but it just goes to show what can happen when the 'thick as mince' get the wrong idea in their heads.

A hospital paediatrician has hit out at vandals who forced her to flee her home after apparently taking her job title to mean she was a paedophile.
South African-born Yvette Cloete - a 30-year-old trainee consultant at the Royal Gwent Hospital, Newport, south Wales - said she planned to move home after returning to find the outside of her property daubed with the words "paedo".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/901723.stm

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:43 pm

Foulthrow wrote:A billion? Really?

No, I was exaggerating.

Around 20 million I think.

Still a huge sum.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:44 pm

Spijed wrote:And what about mistaken identity?

Most people who get involved with mob rule struggle to understand what a brain cell is!

And what are you basing this on?

Lord Beamish · Post by **Lord Beamish** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:51 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:Normally I would agree, but child rapists and murderers which both are guilty of, should not be protected at great expense to the taxpayer.

This is precisely why Justice should be served with Judgement and not Passion.

Aside from anything else, it makes people mistake millions for billions.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:51 pm

Er...

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:52 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:And what are you basing this on?

Some of the moronic comments above, one imagines.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:52 pm

We don't need to know who he is now, or where.

He's clearly a wrongun, he's allegedly bragged about who he is, he's had his named changed more than once.
He's been caught with paedophilic material etc.
He's also been visiting Merseyside despite being given a lifetime ban.

He's clearly never going to changed so he's best off being kept locked up.

He's a murderer who collects images of child abuse and possibly had some sort of "child abusers manual" in his possession.
Lock him up for the rest of his life.

The other lad has shown that some people learn from their mistakes and will avoid getting into trouble again.

Interestingly the one who's living a quiet life was meant to be the main instigator in Jamie Bulger's murder...
I think they got that wrong.

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:54 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:And what are you basing this on?

See the story in #23 to realise there are many idiots out there that would take the law into their own hands.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:56 pm

Based on the evidence and the boys' behaviour at that time, they were more likely to be correct. The lads have developed in their different ways since then, one having progressed, the other regressed.
A study into how their paths have diverged would make interesting reading.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:02 pm

Hi I'm a fully grown adult who hates crime and criminals but think all criminals should be killed by vigilantes.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:03 pm

Perhaps we dont need to know their names. Or their identities.

But someone who has killed a child should not be allowed to live a normal life again. End of.

And whether we know its them or not. You should know if someone with that history lives near you.

As one of them has shown. He continues to reoffend.

The only human rights I care about are those of the innocent. Especially children. Instead we are protecting this ****.

Charles Bronson has been in and out of solitary for years. All this would be solved if they just said venables and thompson are in solitary / high security in x prison.

Should we be paying millions to keep them? Probably not. But its a small price compared to what could happen if we didnt.

The ones I feel for most though are James Bulgers family. Not only did they lose their son. They have suffered more than anyone should ever suffer ever since. And everytime its in the media they suffer even more.

The two of them should have been locked up indefinitely and the case dealt with.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:07 pm

If they were adults when they committed the crime, fair enough. I think the fact that they were, to all intents and purposes, children clouds the issue somewhat.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:17 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:If they were adults when they committed the crime, fair enough. I think the fact that they were, to all intents and purposes, children clouds the issue somewhat.

Perhaps. But tough ****. At 10 years old you know that killing a 3 year old is ****** up. End of.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:18 pm

I think they should be let out under close supervision to lead a normal life but with a couple of conditions, make them do community services for a long period of time with anonymity & then reassess them after that, at least then they’ve paid something back into society it will also stand them in good stead for a eventual possible release.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:50 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Perhaps. But tough ****. At 10 years old you know that killing a 3 year old is ****** up. End of.

Really ?

And that's it ?

Wow.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:02 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:Really ?

And that's it ?

Wow.

Yep thats it. I wouldnt want them anywhere near my child. My families kids. Or anyone elses for that matter. Murder and other sadistic crimes especially those committed on children, disabled and elderly should result in life meaning life.

Call me old fashioned bit the only rights I care about in such circumstances are the victims.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:18 pm

Old - fashioned ? I don't know about that.
Incapable of looking at more than one aspect of a pretty complex issue - that of children killing other children ?
Most certainly.

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:20 pm

evensteadiereddie wrote:Old - fashioned ? I don't know about that.
Incapable of looking at more than one aspect of a pretty complex issue - that of children killing other children ?
Most certainly.

Are you telling me at ten years old you are incapable of knowing that killing a toddler is wrong?