Anti semetism

[Rowls]

Apparently, a man who worked for Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party and was part of the team who were investigating anti-semitism in Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party posted what have been described as anti-semitic tweets:

https://twitter.com/Daniel_Sugarman/sta ... 6602763264" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Don't know the veracity of this story as it has only appeared on twitter.

[Rowls]

Just gonna give this a quick bump because a lot of people who are engaging in the Islamphobia thread might have missed it:

One of the men who was investigating anti-semitism in Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party has been accused of posting anti-semitic tweets.

[tiger76]

Chris Williamson MP has been re-admitted to the Labour Party and it's causing a major storm among Labour parliamentarians.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48790803

Derby North is a marginal seat his majority was only around 2,000,so a by-election there would be tasty.

[If it be your will]

Chris Williamson MP has been re-admitted to the Labour Party and it's causing a major storm among Labour parliamentarians.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48790803

Derby North is a marginal seat his majority was only around 2,000,so a by-election there would be tasty.

Yes I know, and they're all having a go at Corbyn about it!

They accused Corbyn of getting involved in antisemitism cases, and demanded the process be independent; when the process became independent, they demand Corbyn should get involved!

They're quite funny to watch, these Labour MPs. They're nuts.

[If it be your will]

https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status ... 0323211264" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No, Margaret, lass! He can't! He doesn't have that power!

Nuts. Absolute fruitcakes...


(Neither does the NEC, by the way, so the BBC are wrong as well. It's actually the NCC's decision.)

[Pstotto]

The Jews run the art world. I suffer their tastes in art, my whole life suffers.

[Greenmile]

The Jews run the art world. I suffer their tastes in art, my whole life suffers.

And are you part of the Labour Party? (sorry, I mean “Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party”)

[Pstotto]

No, I'm not. I've not heard of any connection between the art world and the Labour Party. I hate Labour, they're worse than the Conservatives, it's subjugation of the people by the people it's the worst of both worlds politically and culturally.

[Greenmile]

No, I'm not. I've not heard of any connection between the art world and the Labour Party. I hate Labour, they're worse than the Conservatives, it's subjugation of the people by the people it's the worst of both worlds politically and culturally.

Then you’re on the wrong thread. You’ll need to start a new thread entitled “antisemitism in what passes for Pstotto’s mind”.

(you’re welcome, Rowls)

[Pstotto]

Suit yourself you miserable c***.

[Pstotto]

Enough of this time-wasting, I'm off to a private view at Vilma Gold.

On second thoughts not, I've just checked and the gallery's closed.

[tiger76]

Williamson suspended again https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48806066

Excuse my laughter that Keith Vaz of all people has so much power on Labour's NEC.

This is becoming farcical at a time when Labour should be holding this shambles of a government to account.

[Imploding Turtle]

Are we still pretending that the Labour leadership that is doing something about anti-semitism is to blame for anti-semitism while not blaming the previous leaderships for antisemitism that was allowed to go unchecked during their tenure? We are? OK. Good to know.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Is that classed as whataboutary?

[Imploding Turtle]

Is that classed as whataboutary?

No. It's called shooting the messenger. The "Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party" is doing something about the antisemitism that has gone unchallenged under Miliband, Brown and Blair. But people are blaming Jeremy Corbyn for the antisemitism. It's dumb as ****.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

No. It's called shooting the messenger. The "Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party" is doing something about the antisemitism that has gone unchallenged under Miliband, Brown and Blair. But people are blaming Jeremy Corbyn for the antisemitism. It's dumb as ****.

Are they doing something because it's reached the point where it can't be swept under the carpet anymore or because they want to do something about it?

Corbyn has been a Labour MP for decades now isn't it, but has he ever raised the issue of anti-Semitism in the Labour party before?

[If it be your will]

Are they doing something because it's reached the point where it can't be swept under the carpet anymore or because they want to do something about it?

Corbyn has been a Labour MP for decades now isn't it, but has he ever raised the issue of anti-Semitism in the Labour party before?

Oh, yeah. He's spent an awful lot of his career campaigning against antisemitism. Possibly more than any other MP. As Alexei Sayle said, nobody gave a s*** about antisemitism until Jeremy Corbyn became leader, except Jeremy Corbyn. Take this from The Spectator (of all places):

The fact of the matter is that Corbyn has an impressive record of supporting Jewish communal initiatives. For instance he was recently supportive of Jewish efforts to facilitate the speedy issue of death certificates by the north London coroner. In 2015 he took part in a ceremony in his Islington constituency to commemorate the founding of the North London Synagogue. In 2010 he put his name to an Early Day Motion (tabled by Diane Abbott) calling on the UK government to facilitate the settlement of Yemeni Jews in Britain. Indeed I could fill this entire article with a list of philo-Semitic EDMs that Corbyn has signed since he was first elected as Labour MP for Islington North in 1983.

In 1987 the West London Synagogue approached Islington Council with a startling proposal: to sell its original cemetery to property developers, destroying the gravestones and digging-up and reburying the bodies lying under them. This cemetery (dating from 1840) was not merely of great historic and architectural interest – in the view of orthodox Jews, the deliberate destruction of a cemetery is sacrilegious. So when Islington Council granted the planning application, a Jewish-led and ultimately successful campaign was launched to have the decision reversed. I was part of that campaign. So was Jeremy Corbyn. Meanwhile, the then-leader of Islington Council (1982-92), whose decision to permit the destruction of the cemetery was eventually overturned, was none other than Margaret Hodge (though it is unclear whether she personally was in favour of the proposal).

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/05/i ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Do you think this account is accurate? Does it alter your perception at all?

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Oh, yeah. He's spent an awful lot of his career campaigning against antisemitism. Possibly more than any other MP. As Alexei Sayle said, nobody gave a s*** about antisemitism until Jeremy Corbyn became leader, except Jeremy Corbyn. Take this from The Spectator (of all places):

The fact of the matter is that Corbyn has an impressive record of supporting Jewish communal initiatives. For instance he was recently supportive of Jewish efforts to facilitate the speedy issue of death certificates by the north London coroner. In 2015 he took part in a ceremony in his Islington constituency to commemorate the founding of the North London Synagogue. In 2010 he put his name to an Early Day Motion (tabled by Diane Abbott) calling on the UK government to facilitate the settlement of Yemeni Jews in Britain. Indeed I could fill this entire article with a list of philo-Semitic EDMs that Corbyn has signed since he was first elected as Labour MP for Islington North in 1983.

In 1987 the West London Synagogue approached Islington Council with a startling proposal: to sell its original cemetery to property developers, destroying the gravestones and digging-up and reburying the bodies lying under them. This cemetery (dating from 1840) was not merely of great historic and architectural interest – in the view of orthodox Jews, the deliberate destruction of a cemetery is sacrilegious. So when Islington Council granted the planning application, a Jewish-led and ultimately successful campaign was launched to have the decision reversed. I was part of that campaign. So was Jeremy Corbyn. Meanwhile, the then-leader of Islington Council (1982-92), whose decision to permit the destruction of the cemetery was eventually overturned, was none other than Margaret Hodge (though it is unclear whether she personally was in favour of the proposal).

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/05/i ... ssion=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Do you think this account is accurate? Does it alter your perception at all?

It was a genuine question, because I didn't know.

From the looks of it, he's not an anti-Semitic person, he's just being tarred with a brush.

As for perception, he's a politician....I don't really like any of them.

[If it be your will]

It was a genuine question, because I didn't know.

From the looks of it, he's not an anti-Semitic person, he's just being tarred with a brush.

As for perception, he's a politician....I don't really like any of them.

It hardly matters anymore, he'll never be PM. Too many people believe too many things for anyone posing a genuine challenge to the elite to ever be PM. (No - Farage absolutely doesn't qualify!)

They're running with Corbyn having dementia or something now. It probably won't be long before this subject gets its own thread as well. It's just relentless. Obviously people like me will keep stubbornly voting for him, but he'll never make it.

[AndrewJB]

It hardly matters anymore, he'll never be PM. Too many people believe too many things for anyone posing a genuine challenge to the elite to ever be PM. (No - Farage absolutely doesn't qualify!)

They're running with Corbyn having dementia or something now. It probably won't be long before this subject gets its own thread as well. It's just relentless. Obviously people like me will keep stubbornly voting for him, but he'll never make it.

People have been saying Corbyn will never make it at every step of his journey. 1000/1 odds against him becoming leader. Overcoming the majority of MPs in the “chicken coup” And overcoming a twenty point polling deficit during a snap election. If it weren’t for Brexit, Labour would be well ahead by now.

[NottsClaret]

And overcoming a twenty point polling deficit during a snap election.

He didn't overcome it, he lost. Against Theresa May and this desperate collection of gormless Tory clowns.

If it weren’t for Brexit, Labour would be well ahead by now.

If it weren't for Corbyn, Labour would be well ahead by now.

[Imploding Turtle]

He didn't overcome it, he lost. Against Theresa May and this desperate collection of gormless Tory clowns.




If it weren't for Corbyn, Labour would be well ahead by now.

He did better than Miliband in an election his opponents called because they thought they could increase their majority, instead they lost it.

Maybe another leader would have done better, or maybe another leader would have just been equally the victim of right-wing media smear jobs of the kind that call Corbyn a terrorist sympathiser and Miliband's father a traitor. My point being that no matter who the Labour leader is, they'll still be attacked with lies from the Tory press, and Corbyn has been smeared with some obscene lies, and he still got a better result than either of the last two Labour leaders. He's earned another election.

[If it be your will]

People have been saying Corbyn will never make it at every step of his journey. 1000/1 odds against him becoming leader. Overcoming the majority of MPs in the “chicken coup” And overcoming a twenty point polling deficit during a snap election. If it weren’t for Brexit, Labour would be well ahead by now.

Nah. Once Thornberry - publicly, on telly! - and Starmer (and others) turned their backs on Corbyn, it was game over. The Guardian are heavily reporting McDonnell is rebelling against Corbyn too, but I'm not absolutely persuaded that's true just yet. (And, electoral liability though she is, Abbott, to her credit, has shown some steel in the last few weeks.) But either way, it's finished.

All Corbyn can do now is hang on long enough for the local trigger ballots to happen, in the hope the centrists get wiped out, and then hope something emerges from the ashes somewhere down the line. He's done a phenomenal job of re-awakening the left, resurrecting the idea that there is an alternative way of organising ourselves economically, rather than the dirge of the last 20 years, though. For that I'll be forever grateful. It certainly hasn't been a waste of time. A new generation has now at least been exposed to socialist ideas, and that will last another 20 years.

When you say 'If it weren't for Brexit', do you mean in the sense of the whole thing, or Labour's position on Brexit? If you're saying the latter I profoundly disagree, that's all. I think Corbyn took the perfect position. Had he leapt in either direction on Brexit he'd have been finished ages ago. Everyone just needed to hold their nerve and let the Tories get on with it - there's nothing Labour could've realistically done to alter Brexit's course anyway, as we're about to discover. But the remainers just couldn't do it. They just couldn't do it!

[AndrewJB]

Nah. Once Thornberry - publicly, on telly! - and Starmer (and others) turned their backs on Corbyn, it was game over. The Guardian are heavily reporting McDonnell is rebelling against Corbyn too, but I'm not absolutely persuaded that's true just yet. (And, electoral liability though she is, Abbott, to her credit, has shown some steel in the last few weeks.) But either way, it's finished.

All Corbyn can do now is hang on long enough for the local trigger ballots to happen, in the hope the centrists get wiped out, and then hope something emerges from the ashes somewhere down the line. He's done a phenomenal job of re-awakening the left, resurrecting the idea that there is an alternative way of organising ourselves economically, rather than the dirge of the last 20 years, though. For that I'll be forever grateful. It certainly hasn't been a waste of time. A new generation has now at least been exposed to socialist ideas, and that will last another 20 years.

When you say 'If it weren't for Brexit', do you mean in the sense of the whole thing, or Labour's position on Brexit? If you're saying the latter I profoundly disagree, that's all. I think Corbyn took the perfect position. Had he leapt in either direction on Brexit he'd have been finished ages ago. Everyone just needed to hold their nerve and let the Tories get on with it - there's nothing Labour could've realistically done to alter Brexit's course anyway, as we're about to discover. But the remainers just couldn't do it. They just couldn't do it!

Yes, when I said 'if it weren't for brexit' I meant the entire issue. The Tories have avoided issues such as housing, education, healthcare, local government funding, the fact that benefit sanctions are still in place and causing misery when they've been shown not to work, rail misery, and utility gouging (I'm sure you could come up with a more detailed list); but those issues remain important. Brexit has just given them a temporary pass on these things, but it won't last forever.

As for Corbyn, I have no sentimental attachment there. If the party decided they wanted someone more photogenic, or younger, or someone with a more positive public image then as long as they hold the course in terms of policy direction, I'd say go for it. Thinking pragmatically though, I'd wonder at the efficacy of a cosmetic change when the press will go after them with as much gusto as they did Corbyn (unless the new person changes tack on taxing the rich - which as we all know is why the press hate Corbyn). At least with Corbyn they've exhausted their smears, and are now just completely making things up (like "he's too old"). He hasn't buckled so far, so it's unlikely he will now. And Corbyn is fastidious with his honesty. They won't find expenses fiddled, or political donations from fracking conmpanies - whereas the next person is unlikely to be so clean.

Even with the press behind him, I don't think the next election will be as simple as Boris Johnson waving a flag, and telling a joke to win a majority. All of the issues mentioned above are the kind that could galvanise people who don't normally vote to do so, as we saw with the increase in student registrations the last time. That's where Corbyn and Labour should be looking for support, and in that the fact most Tories are horrified by the thought of him as PM should be met with a shrug. For most of them anyone to the left of Genghis Khan is a "marxist threat" so attempting to please them is pointless.

[If it be your will]

Yes, when I said 'if it weren't for brexit' I meant the entire issue. The Tories have avoided issues such as housing, education, healthcare, local government funding, the fact that benefit sanctions are still in place and causing misery when they've been shown not to work, rail misery, and utility gouging (I'm sure you could come up with a more detailed list); but those issues remain important. Brexit has just given them a temporary pass on these things, but it won't last forever.

As for Corbyn, I have no sentimental attachment there. If the party decided they wanted someone more photogenic, or younger, or someone with a more positive public image then as long as they hold the course in terms of policy direction, I'd say go for it. Thinking pragmatically though, I'd wonder at the efficacy of a cosmetic change when the press will go after them with as much gusto as they did Corbyn (unless the new person changes tack on taxing the rich - which as we all know is why the press hate Corbyn). At least with Corbyn they've exhausted their smears, and are now just completely making things up (like "he's too old"). He hasn't buckled so far, so it's unlikely he will now. And Corbyn is fastidious with his honesty. They won't find expenses fiddled, or political donations from fracking conmpanies - whereas the next person is unlikely to be so clean.

Even with the press behind him, I don't think the next election will be as simple as Boris Johnson waving a flag, and telling a joke to win a majority. All of the issues mentioned above are the kind that could galvanise people who don't normally vote to do so, as we saw with the increase in student registrations the last time. That's where Corbyn and Labour should be looking for support, and in that the fact most Tories are horrified by the thought of him as PM should be met with a shrug. For most of them anyone to the left of Genghis Khan is a "marxist threat" so attempting to please them is pointless.

There's no point leaving posts designed for 3rd party observers on this forum- there aren't any!

(This post wasn't designed for me was it? If it was, I apologise. But I can't see what I'm supposed to say in response if it was. You know I already know all this.)

[AndrewJB]

There's no point leaving posts designed for 3rd party observers on this forum- there aren't any!

(This post wasn't designed for me was it? If it was, I apologise. But I can't see what I'm supposed to say in response if it was. You know I already know all this.)

That first point, and I ramble as well.

[If it be your will]

That first point, and I ramble as well.

Ok, you can be assured that point has be lodged! And yes, I do think Corbyn would be flying by now had Brexit not got in the way, but we are where we are, and Corbyn's Labour, I think, has been terminally wounded over the last 3 weeks. That said, the Tories wouldn't have completely imploded without Brexit either, but I still think Corbyn's project would be well on top by now, yes.

At least when he's gone the issue of antisemitism will magically vanish. Except, of course, in Islington, where Corbyn will keep up his 35-year fight against it no doubt.

[taio]

More difficulties for Labour on this subject.

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-07-07/lab ... leblowers/

[AndyClaret]

More difficulties for Labour on this subject.

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-07-07/lab ... leblowers/

Classic Labour do as i say, not as i do, they want to ban NDA's in the workplace unless it's them that you want to whistle blow on.

[Imploding Turtle]

In 2010 Jeremy Corbyn and Diana Abbott, the terrible antisemites that they are, hatched a devilish plot to make it look like they weren't antisemites by sponsoring a motion to allow persecuted Jews from Yemen to be resettled here. this was ignored by the then-Labour government.

Clearly this was in preparation for when Corbyn would become leader 5 years later as a sort of preemptive defence against accusations of his antisemitism.

What a *******.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/com ... onsored_a/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Funny, isn't it? That the likely reason this wasn't something our government chose to care about is because of the anti-immigrant and anti-asylum rhetoric and attitudes of many of those who are now saying that Corbyn hates Jews.

[Imploding Turtle]

Antisemitism is racism, i think we all agree.

So, if a Labour MP told Jewish people to go back to Israel, would that be antisemitic?

[Chobulous]

Antisemitism is racism, i think we all agree.

So, if the a Labour MP told Jewish people to go back to Israel, would that be antisemitic?

Yes, because the inference would be the the Labour MP didn’t want them here.

[AndrewJB]

I don’t think Rowls flagged this one up, so I thought I’d help:

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190 ... ur-critic/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Imploding Turtle]

I don’t think Rowls flagged this one up, so I thought I’d help:

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190 ... ur-critic/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I have a feeling he might have "missed" that one deliberately.

The Tory press certainly appear to have missed it.

[AndrewJB]

I have a feeling he might have "missed" that one deliberately.

The Tory press certainly appear to have missed it.

Nope, not seen this one anywhere else. But don't go suggesting that they report on anti-Semitism selectively just to smear Corbyn, you neo-bolshoid, terror loving, peacenik.

[AndyClaret]

Dan Hodges on top form again.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/arti ... -race.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Pstotto]

Hands up if you think Jews are really nice...

YEAH I DO!

Three cheers for Jews!

[Rowls]

Bumping for the benefit of HieronymousBoschHobs

[HieronymousBoschHobs]

Bumping for the benefit of HieronymousBoschHobs

Thank you Rowls for alerting me to this valuable resource. You are evidently a more experienced scholar of Labour's antisemitic tribulations than I: would you kindly summarise the findings of the 2019 UpTheClaret's Investigation? I'm aware it is an onerous task, but this is surely important work given the global importance of fighting anti-semitism. Please ensure the quantitative aspect of your report is formatted in line with the guidelines established by the EU Directive for Social Science Research in order to guarantee prompt publication.

[Rowls]

Thank you Rowls for alerting me to this valuable resource. You are evidently a more experienced scholar of Labour's antisemitic tribulations than I: would you kindly summarise the findings of the 2019 UpTheClaret's Investigation? I'm aware it is an onerous task, but this is surely important work given the global importance of fighting anti-semitism. Please ensure the quantitative aspect of your report is formatted in line with the guidelines established by the EU Directive for Social Science Research in order to guarantee prompt publication.

No probs.

I already summarized at page 6 so I can re-post here.

Not an exhaustive list, but you get the idea:

Anyway, here we are on page 6 so I thought I'd make a little recap of all the instances that I've been able to post since this thread started:

1. A helpful BBC guide to anti-semitism in Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45030552" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

2. A Labour mayoral candidate willing to defend Naz Shah's comments
https://order-order.com/2019/03/08/labo ... semistism/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

3. A Labour shadow minister who lied about sharing anti-semitic posts, then apologized
https://twitter.com/JewishChron/status/ ... 2754785281" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... byn-labour" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

4. Member of Corbyn's office blocked the suspension of a Labour Party member later arrested over alleged hate crimes
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/memb ... d-1.482318" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/sta ... 3530095616" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

5. Jeremy Corbyn himself caught defending an extremely anti-semitic "blood libel" cleric who was banned from the UK
https://twitter.com/magnitsky/status/11 ... 4784778240" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

6. Jeremy Corbyn (again) accused of taking money from a branch of the anti-semitic terrorist organisation Hamas (accusation unrefuted to my knowledge - open to correction on this matter)
https://order-order.com/2019/04/05/corb ... ying-trip/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

7. The day the Sunday Times decided the story was big enough to lead the front page
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news ... -9zzl0gxpv" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

8. The BBC following suit and an admission from Jeremy Corbyn (him again)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47924025" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

9. Richard Burgon, MP for Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party caught lying about publicly beating the drum of "anti-Zionism"
https://twitter.com/magnitsky/status/11 ... 0713327618" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

10. Member of Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party suspended after call to "march on synagogue"
https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/la ... synagogue/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

11. Jeremy Corbyn (yet again) praising an anti-semitic mural (which it turns out he hadn't "looked closely enough" at)
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... byn-labour" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

12. Jeremy Corbyn (who'd have thought it) writing a foreward praising a book widely decried as deeply anti-semitic
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/corb ... -6jfcmh5fp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

13. A Twitter account set up by Jewish ex-Labour member to highlight anti-semitism in Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party
https://twitter.com/GnasherJew" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

14. Jeremy Corbyn (shock, horror) explaining how Israel is somehow exerting influence over and/or controlling the BBC, presumably as part of a conspiracy
https://order-order.com/2019/05/02/corb ... uence-bbc/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And there we have it!

That's a brief summary of the things that have cropped up in the past few months. As we can see, these stories do seem to pop up frequently - even when they refer to past events.

There doesn't seem to be a shortage of instances that directly involve Jeremy Corbyn either.

Some people might think these are anti-semitic, others might think they constitute legitimate political debate and criticisms. I'm just leaving them here for people to decide themselves.

I'll keep posting examples as and when they appear.

[HieronymousBoschHobs]

No probs.

I already summarized at page 6 so I can re-post here.

Not an exhaustive list, but you get the idea:

Thanks Rowls. I think they pretty much want to gas or at least infertilize the inferior races. Really glad you've discovered this, are you organising any action or aware of anyone who is? Keen to get involved.

[Rowls]

Thanks Rowls. I think they pretty much want to gas or at least infertilize the inferior races. Really glad you've discovered this, are you organising any action or aware of anyone who is? Keen to get involved.

I'm not politically active in the UK Heironymous because I don't live there. But yes, I am the kind of guy who is keen to "get involved" in causes I agree with.

I always try not to be the kind of guy who turns a blind eye to things either. It's a balancing act at times but it's off topic.

There's not much open talk of "gas" or infertilizing these days but racism is always a problem. There are a multitude of problems but to keep this thread on topic the anti-semitism problem is most keenly centred around the Islamic community and the far-left, now excompassing Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party.

[HieronymousBoschHobs]

I'm not politically active in the UK Heironymous because I don't live there. But yes, I am the kind of guy who is keen to "get involved" in causes I agree with.

I always try not to be the kind of guy who turns a blind eye to things either. It's a balancing act at times but it's off topic.

There's not much open talk of "gas" or infertilizing these days but racism is always a problem. There are a multitude of problems but to keep this thread on topic the anti-semitism problem is most keenly centred around the Islamic community and the far-left, now encompassing Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party.

If you're sincere about this then fair play: apologies for my post in the other thread. As I've stated, I don't want to support an anti-semitic party and you seem to have the impression it is. I'm not that closely involved, so I wouldn't know and part of what I was saying is that I want to know - not just reports of people being disciplined but reports of what's actually happening generally to make Jewish MPs feel as they do. I've said I understand why people think it's a conspiracy against Corbyn, but that doesn't mean I believe that myself - I don't know what to believe and, if recent political history is anything to go by, probably none of us will know the truth until Corbyn is gone and some autobiographies are released.

You've provided a lot of links - I honestly cannot be bothered to go through them all and get into the specifics of it, but it often seems to relate to Palestine-Israel and Labour members expressing views about that quagmire which are deemed anti-semitic. I do think you are pursuing this issue with an axe to grind, but I hope, because you seem an intelligent poster, that you can try to see it a little more how I see it: I'm not a social justice warrior, but I don't want to be involved with anything which starts regurgitating history's most miserable chapters. So when MPs say the Labour Party is institutionally anti-semitic, and people are amassing evidence, as you have (quite diligently!), to suggest as much, I'm not happy because it's a moral issue for me and I have to square my political allegiances with deeper commitments. I want this sorted, but, as I said before - and I think it's fair - I also want to know what's gone on.

Cheers,

HBH.

[Rowls]

Jewish Chronicle:

https://twitter.com/JewishChron/status/ ... 04/photo/1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[RMutt]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Pollard" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Scroll down to ‘views’ and on the way look at who else he writes for.

[Rowls]

Can someone help me out. The news is full of the Labour party's apparent problem with anti semetism, but as yet I haven't heard any reports of what specific anti Semitic acts have taken place. I have no particular political axe to grind by the way. Is it just that the Westminster elite think it's important and don't realise that the rest of the country is more concerned with getting through life at the moment. The Labour Party is a lot of things, but racist?

Hi again corporal jones!

Here's a link to the Andrew Neil interview with Jeremy Corbyn where they talk at length about anti-semitism in the Labour Party.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EySXP15S8k" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hope this helps

Rowls

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

It's very very easy to summarise this issue which continues to recur because the media keep regurgitating it.

Large factions of both Labour MPs, voters and members are deeply against the regime of Israel's occupation of Gaza and their treatment of the Palestinian people. The Israeli government seem to have been able to convince most of the world that saying anything negative about Israel is anti-semitic. The media take that as an opportunity to perpetuate a false narrative about the Labour Party at any point that a MP or member speaks up for Palestine or against the Israeli regime. The facts are very clear, the occupation of Gaza and the human rights abuses that have been conducted by Israel are numerous, serious and illegal. It equate it to opposing India's illegal annexation of Kashmir and Jammu and that making you hate Hindus. It's utter ridiculous.

Jeremy Corbyn may be many things, but he's definitely not a racist.

[Rowls]

Perhaps if it were as easy as you put it UpTheClaretsFCBK then Jeremy would have put the issue to bed by now?

As it is, it's plaguing his election campaign, 80% of British Jews think Jeremy Corbyn is anti-semitic and the chief Rabbi of the UK has made an unprecedented move in asking people not to vote for the Labour Party.

[UpTheClaretsFCBK]

The opinion of Andrew Feinstein:

- Son of on a holocaust survivor
- Worked for Nelson Mandela as an MP
- Lectured on genocide prevention at Auschwitz

[Rowls]

Well maybe the opinion of this Andrew Feinstein will close this matter for good for Jeremy Corbyn?

Who knows?