Anti semetism

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:34 am

Here's an article on the BBC too:

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50567564" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:09 am

Rowls wrote:Perhaps if it were as easy as you put it UpTheClaretsFCBK then Jeremy would have put the issue to bed by now?

As it is, it's plaguing his election campaign, 80% of British Jews think Jeremy Corbyn is anti-semitic and the chief Rabbi of the UK has made an unprecedented move in asking people not to vote for the Labour Party.

You really have to look at the source of that poll. Conducted by the Jewish Leadership Council.

https://www.thejlc.org/vice_presidents" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you study the list, you'll find that their many prominent members are directly funded by Israel. For instance, Luciana Berger, former Director of Labour Friends of Israel.

These polls are nowhere near independent.

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:13 am

As for the UK's chief Rabbi, he's certainly got no ulterior motive in asking people not to vote Labour.... Not.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:24 am

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:You really have to look at the source of that poll. Conducted by the Jewish Leadership Council.

https://www.thejlc.org/vice_presidents" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If you study the list, you'll find that their many prominent members are directly funded by Israel. For instance, Luciana Berger, former Director of Labour Friends of Israel.

These polls are nowhere near independent.

Do you think there's some kind of conspiracy behind these polls?

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 3:26 am

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:As for the UK's chief Rabbi, he's certainly got no ulterior motive in asking people not to vote Labour.... Not.

Maureen Lipman:

Maurren Lipman wrote:Of course, we were all Labour, everybody voted Labour. I voted Labour all my life.

“You know what my late husband said? If you’re Jewish, they gave you your Labour Party badge the day after your circumcision. They gave with one hand, they took with the other.

“But this lot… this lot’s not Labour. They’re not socialists. You know what they are, Nora? They’re extremists, that’s what my Melvyn says, and he’s not often wrong.

That's lifelong Labour voter Maureen Lipman.

evensteadiereddie · Post by **evensteadiereddie** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:21 am

Eee, he's sharp is that Melvyn, isn't he ?
This sounds like one of her ****-takes.

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:25 am

Rowls wrote:Maureen Lipman:

That's lifelong Labour voter Maureen Lipman.

Maureen Lipman is 73 years old and retired with a comfortable financial situation. There's nothing about the Labour Party that would appeal to that demographic. Their policies are designed to empower young people and working people and poor retired people. She even says that she voted Labour because everyone did at the time.

It's quite easy to pick a celebrity out like that. Steve Coogan for instance speaks regularly at Labour events and has for years.

HieronymousBoschHobs · Post by **HieronymousBoschHobs** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:55 am

Rowls likes this issue because his side have been accused of being racists for decades and now, finally, he thinks, the tables have turned.

Claretmatt4 · Post by **Claretmatt4** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:06 am

Rowls wrote:Perhaps if it were as easy as you put it UpTheClaretsFCBK then Jeremy would have put the issue to bed by now?

You know very well that overturning a very vocal and opportunistic tabloid press with a 'story' to tell is like shutting Pandora box...

Sad that something like this is being used as political bait - politics continues to outdo itself at each new General election.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:06 am

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:The opinion of Andrew Feinstein:

- Son of on a holocaust survivor
- Worked for Nelson Mandela as an MP
- Lectured on genocide prevention at Auschwitz

This would seem to support the suggestion that the only defence to the accusation of being anti Semitic is that he has been fighting racism all his life. It’s also a bit “me best friends black”

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:15 am

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:As for the UK's chief Rabbi, he's certainly got no ulterior motive in asking people not to vote Labour.... Not.

Lives in T. May's constituency. Coincidence?

joey13 · Post by **joey13** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:20 am

Rowls wrote:Maureen Lipman:

That's lifelong Labour voter Maureen Lipman.

The same Maureen Lipman who slagged off Jewish Labour leader Ed Miliband

aggi · Post by **aggi** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:57 am

joey13 wrote:The same Maureen Lipman who slagged off Jewish Labour leader Ed Miliband

It doesn't matter what happened under Miliband, it's Corbyn's fault. Rowls has been consistent on that throughout this thread.

Billy Balfour · Post by **Billy Balfour** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:14 pm

When did you stop beating your wife, Mr Corbyn?

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 2:38 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:This would seem to support the suggestion that the only defence to the accusation of being anti Semitic is that he has been fighting racism all his life. It’s also a bit “me best friends black”

If you can't use the countless and unrelenting instances in which you've fought against racism to defend yourself against accusations of being a racist, then what can you use?

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:53 pm

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote:If you can't use the countless and unrelenting instances in which you've fought against racism to defend yourself against accusations of being a racist, then what can you use?

You can be a bit more specific- we all know about his campaigning against racism when the victim is black, Asian, Latino, Arabic, not so much about Jews. Yesterday is a prime example - “I was out on the streets of Tottenham fighting racism” - not against the Jews. Not heard of you marching down Golders Green high street but have noted his inability to see a mural depicting 4 hook nosed Jews as being racist.

MrTopTier · Post by **MrTopTier** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 7:10 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50491208

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... omophobic/

Not exclusive to the Labour party, but missed out on this thread.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:53 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:You can be a bit more specific- we all know about his campaigning against racism when the victim is black, Asian, Latino, Arabic, not so much about Jews. Yesterday is a prime example - “I was out on the streets of Tottenham fighting racism” - not against the Jews. Not heard of you marching down Golders Green high street but have noted his inability to see a mural depicting 4 hook nosed Jews as being racist.

Read this article from the Spectator for things he's done for his local Jewish community:

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/05/i ... i-semitic/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If he went back in time to the '30s, do you think he'd stand with Jewish East Enders, or march with the Blackshirts?

wickdkewlclaret · Post by **wickdkewlclaret** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:03 pm

Typical Tories clinging on to something that is no longer even an issue. It’s another desperate smear and everyone’s desperate to cling on to it.

I see the BBC had a similar article about Boris being proven as Islamophobic at the same time, but of course this was way down the front page, of course.

Let’s not forget his car crash interview on question time where he was outed as calling Islamic women ‘Letterboxes’ and Homosexuals ‘Tank Top bum boys’

You are 100% voting for a homophobic racist. And trust me, that ain’t Corbyn.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:21 pm

20 years ago Johnson used that phrase in an article and Corbyn was having tea with terrorists.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:30 pm

Burnley Ace wrote:20 years ago Johnson used that phrase in an article and Corbyn was having tea with terrorists.

When Corbyn was having tea with ex IRA members, Johnson was more likely to be smashing up restaurants, and burning fifty pound notes in front of homeless people in Oxford as a member of the Bullingdon Club.

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:42 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... m-of-trust" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If Johnson were just an eccentric family member with a penchant for exaggerating things, he'd be harmless. But giving a liar like that the keys to Downing St, and control of our healthcare system is a risk too far. I think he'll be bad for the country in a lot of ways, but the NHS is something we can all agree shouldn't be meddled with for the benefit of US corporations.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:53 am

MrTopTier wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50491208

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... omophobic/

Not exclusive to the Labour party, but missed out on this thread.

Well this is about anti-semitism in the Labour Party. See OP for explanation.

And the Conservative Party are leading the way here - they have quickly acted to suspend their candidate. That is what Labour have been failing to do.

MrTopTier · Post by **MrTopTier** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:56 am

The title of the thread is Anti semitism, not anti semitism in the Labour Party.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:58 am

Rowls wrote:Well this is about anti-semitism in the Labour Party. See OP for explanation.

And the Conservative Party are leading the way here - they have quickly acted to suspend their candidate. That is what Labour have been failing to do.

Better late than never Labour finally taking action https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50585278

Pstotto · Post by **Pstotto** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 10:40 pm

Everybody's NICE aren't they? Except everyone else... Jews, blacks, Muslims, lesbians and gays and disabled people are all REALLY NICE apparently and everyone else is really horrible.

Of course the nicest people are the Somalians, the more in the UK the better.

I'm horrible.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:13 pm

This is even affecting the SNP,https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50586995

The interesting aspect of this case is that it's probably the 1st suspension of a candidate in a winnable seat,this constituency looking at the polling in Scotland,should be an SNP gain from Labour,so if this proves to be the case will the SNP reinstate the winners membership

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:21 am

Burnley Ace wrote: ↑
Wed Nov 27, 2019 6:53 pm
You can be a bit more specific- we all know about his campaigning against racism when the victim is black, Asian, Latino, Arabic, not so much about Jews. Yesterday is a prime example - “I was out on the streets of Tottenham fighting racism” - not against the Jews. Not heard of you marching down Golders Green high street but have noted his inability to see a mural depicting 4 hook nosed Jews as being racist.

Bit late with this, but are these enough for you?

Corbyn organised the Apr. 1977 defence of Jewish populated Wood Green from a Neo-Nazi march
EDM3933 7 Nov. 1990: Corbyn signs motion condemning the rise of antisemitism
EDM634, 11 Apr. 2000: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion condemning David Irving for being a Holocaust Denier
EDM1124, 6 Nov. 2000: Jeremy Corbyn praised the ‘British Schindler’, Bill Barazetti, for his WW2 kindertransport
EDM742, 28 Jan. 2002: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion praising football clubs for commemorating Holocaust Day
EDM1233 30 Apr. 2002: Corbyn was a primary sponsor on a motion condemning antisemitism
11 May 2002: Jeremy led a clean up of Finsbury Park Synagogue after an anti-Semitic attack
EDM1691, 23 July 2002: Corbyn condemned attacks on a synagogue in Swansea
EDM123 26 Nov. 2003: Corbyn officially condemns attacks on 2 Istanbul synagogues
EDM298, 16 Dec. 2003: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
2004: Jeremy condemned news that anti-Semitic hate crimes had risen for yet another year
EDM461, 21 Jan. 2004: Jeremy Corbyn condemned the French government’s moves to ban the Jewish Kippa in French Schools
EDM717, 26 Feb. 2004: Jeremy signed a motion praising Simon Wiesenthal for bringing Nazi perpetrators of the Holocaust to justice
EDM1613, 8 Sept. 2004: Corbyn co-sponsored a bill expressing fears for the future of the United Synagogue Pension Scheme
EDM1699, 11 Oct. 2004: Jeremy Corbyn condemned arbitrary attacks on civilians in Israel and Palestine
EDM482, 12 Jan. 2005: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
EDM343, 16 June 2005: Jeremy condemned the desecration of a Jewish cemetery in east London
EDM1343, 11 Jan. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
EDM1774, 8 Mar. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn led condemnations of an Iranian Magazine soliciting cartoons about the Holocaust
EDM1267, 16 Apr. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn condemned Bryan Ferry for anti-Semitic remarks
EDM2414, 26 June 2006: Jeremy Corbyn praised British war veterans for their efforts to combat the Holocaust
EDM2705, 10 Oct. 2006: Jeremy signed a motion marking the 70th anniversary of Cable Street
EDM271, 14 Nov. 2007: Jeremy co-sponsored a motion lamenting the poverty and social exclusion East London Jews suffered
EDM153, 12 May 2008: Corbyn praised the efforts of the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto during the uprising of 1944
EDM2350, 27 Oct 2008: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion marking the 70th anniversary of the horrors of the holocaust
EDM173, 8 Dec. 2008: Jeremy condemned the Press Complaints Commission for refusing to sanction The Times for antisemitism
EDM461, 14 Jan. 2009: Jeremy Corbyn condemned a wave of recent anti-Semitic incidents targeted
EDM605, 27 Jan. 2009: Corbyn signed John Mann’s motion condemning antisemitism on university campuses
EDM917 26 Feb. 2009: Jeremy signs a motion condemning antisemitism on the internet
EDM1175 24 Mar. 2009: Corbyn signs a motion praising the heroism of British Jews during Holocaust
EDM337, 2 Dec. 2009: Jeremy Condemned Iran’s treatment of Jewish minorities in Iran
EDM850 9 Feb. 2010: Jeremy joins in calls for Facebook to do more to fight antisemitism
EDM891: 22 Feb 2010: Corbyn co-sponsors a motion calling for Yemen’s Jews to be given refugee status to the UK
EDM908 27 Oct. 2010: Corbyn praises work of late Israeli PM in his pursuit of a 2 state solution
EDM1360, 27 Jan. 2011: Corbyn co-sponsored a motion praising the ‘never again for anyone initiative’
EDM1527, 3 Mar. 2011: Corbyn backed Ian Paisley’s motion condemning the anti-Semitic remarks of Dior’s lead fashion designer
EDM2870, 14 Mar. 2012: Jeremy Corbyn condemned the sale of Nazi memorabilia at an auction in Bristol
EDM2866, 14 Mar 2012: Jeremy Corbyn co-sponsored a bill condemning the rise of antisemitism in Lithuania
EDM2899, 20 Mar. 2012, Jeremy Corbyn condemned a terrorist attack on a Jewish school in Toulouse
EDM168, 12 June 2012, Jeremy co-sponsored a motion condemning anti-Semitic attacks during EURO 2012 in Poland
EDM 195 13 June 2012: Jeremy attacks BBC for cutting Jewish programmes from Its schedule
EDM 1133 1 Mar 2013: Corbyn joins a chorus of calls condemning antisemitism In sport
1 Oct. 2013: Corbyn was one of the few MPs who defended Ralph Miliband from Daily Mail antisemitism
EDM 932 9 Jan 2014: Jeremy praises Holocaust Memorial’s work on antisemitism education
EDM 165 22 June 2015: Jeremy condemns a Neo-Nazi rally planned for a Jewish area of London
Sat 4 July 2015: Jeremy co-planned a counter-fascist demo in defence of Jewish residents at Golders Green. The march was re-routed
18 Nov. 2015, Corbyn used one of his first PMQs to challenge Cameron to do more on antisemiUsm
9 Oct 2016: Corbyn, close to tears, leads commemoration of the Battle of Cable Street
3 Dec. 2016: Corbyn visits Terezin Concentration Camp to commemorate Holocaust victims
In 2017-19 Jeremy introduced 20 new measures to combat antisemitism in the Labour Party

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:35 pm

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 09, 2019 1:21 am
Bit late with this, but are these enough for you?

Corbyn organised the Apr. 1977 defence of Jewish populated Wood Green from a Neo-Nazi march
EDM3933 7 Nov. 1990: Corbyn signs motion condemning the rise of antisemitism
EDM634, 11 Apr. 2000: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion condemning David Irving for being a Holocaust Denier
EDM1124, 6 Nov. 2000: Jeremy Corbyn praised the ‘British Schindler’, Bill Barazetti, for his WW2 kindertransport
EDM742, 28 Jan. 2002: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion praising football clubs for commemorating Holocaust Day
EDM1233 30 Apr. 2002: Corbyn was a primary sponsor on a motion condemning antisemitism
11 May 2002: Jeremy led a clean up of Finsbury Park Synagogue after an anti-Semitic attack
EDM1691, 23 July 2002: Corbyn condemned attacks on a synagogue in Swansea
EDM123 26 Nov. 2003: Corbyn officially condemns attacks on 2 Istanbul synagogues
EDM298, 16 Dec. 2003: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
2004: Jeremy condemned news that anti-Semitic hate crimes had risen for yet another year
EDM461, 21 Jan. 2004: Jeremy Corbyn condemned the French government’s moves to ban the Jewish Kippa in French Schools
EDM717, 26 Feb. 2004: Jeremy signed a motion praising Simon Wiesenthal for bringing Nazi perpetrators of the Holocaust to justice
EDM1613, 8 Sept. 2004: Corbyn co-sponsored a bill expressing fears for the future of the United Synagogue Pension Scheme
EDM1699, 11 Oct. 2004: Jeremy Corbyn condemned arbitrary attacks on civilians in Israel and Palestine
EDM482, 12 Jan. 2005: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
EDM343, 16 June 2005: Jeremy condemned the desecration of a Jewish cemetery in east London
EDM1343, 11 Jan. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
EDM1774, 8 Mar. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn led condemnations of an Iranian Magazine soliciting cartoons about the Holocaust
EDM1267, 16 Apr. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn condemned Bryan Ferry for anti-Semitic remarks
EDM2414, 26 June 2006: Jeremy Corbyn praised British war veterans for their efforts to combat the Holocaust
EDM2705, 10 Oct. 2006: Jeremy signed a motion marking the 70th anniversary of Cable Street
EDM271, 14 Nov. 2007: Jeremy co-sponsored a motion lamenting the poverty and social exclusion East London Jews suffered
EDM153, 12 May 2008: Corbyn praised the efforts of the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto during the uprising of 1944
EDM2350, 27 Oct 2008: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion marking the 70th anniversary of the horrors of the holocaust
EDM173, 8 Dec. 2008: Jeremy condemned the Press Complaints Commission for refusing to sanction The Times for antisemitism
EDM461, 14 Jan. 2009: Jeremy Corbyn condemned a wave of recent anti-Semitic incidents targeted
EDM605, 27 Jan. 2009: Corbyn signed John Mann’s motion condemning antisemitism on university campuses
EDM917 26 Feb. 2009: Jeremy signs a motion condemning antisemitism on the internet
EDM1175 24 Mar. 2009: Corbyn signs a motion praising the heroism of British Jews during Holocaust
EDM337, 2 Dec. 2009: Jeremy Condemned Iran’s treatment of Jewish minorities in Iran
EDM850 9 Feb. 2010: Jeremy joins in calls for Facebook to do more to fight antisemitism
EDM891: 22 Feb 2010: Corbyn co-sponsors a motion calling for Yemen’s Jews to be given refugee status to the UK
EDM908 27 Oct. 2010: Corbyn praises work of late Israeli PM in his pursuit of a 2 state solution
EDM1360, 27 Jan. 2011: Corbyn co-sponsored a motion praising the ‘never again for anyone initiative’
EDM1527, 3 Mar. 2011: Corbyn backed Ian Paisley’s motion condemning the anti-Semitic remarks of Dior’s lead fashion designer
EDM2870, 14 Mar. 2012: Jeremy Corbyn condemned the sale of Nazi memorabilia at an auction in Bristol
EDM2866, 14 Mar 2012: Jeremy Corbyn co-sponsored a bill condemning the rise of antisemitism in Lithuania
EDM2899, 20 Mar. 2012, Jeremy Corbyn condemned a terrorist attack on a Jewish school in Toulouse
EDM168, 12 June 2012, Jeremy co-sponsored a motion condemning anti-Semitic attacks during EURO 2012 in Poland
EDM 195 13 June 2012: Jeremy attacks BBC for cutting Jewish programmes from Its schedule
EDM 1133 1 Mar 2013: Corbyn joins a chorus of calls condemning antisemitism In sport
1 Oct. 2013: Corbyn was one of the few MPs who defended Ralph Miliband from Daily Mail antisemitism
EDM 932 9 Jan 2014: Jeremy praises Holocaust Memorial’s work on antisemitism education
EDM 165 22 June 2015: Jeremy condemns a Neo-Nazi rally planned for a Jewish area of London
Sat 4 July 2015: Jeremy co-planned a counter-fascist demo in defence of Jewish residents at Golders Green. The march was re-routed
18 Nov. 2015, Corbyn used one of his first PMQs to challenge Cameron to do more on antisemiUsm
9 Oct 2016: Corbyn, close to tears, leads commemoration of the Battle of Cable Street
3 Dec. 2016: Corbyn visits Terezin Concentration Camp to commemorate Holocaust victims
In 2017-19 Jeremy introduced 20 new measures to combat antisemitism in the Labour Party

Not really - crocodile tears for effect. Have you got a timeline showing when are where he’s “sat down” and had meetings with Israeli government officials?

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:43 pm

Burnley Ace wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:35 pm
Not really - crocodile tears for effect. Have you got a timeline showing when are where he’s “sat down” and had meetings with Israeli government officials?

I'd say the above is sufficient. 50 clear instances where he has stood in solidarity with Jews.

Meeting Israeli officials is not a prerequisite to not being an anti-semite. I'd say the world is full of people who aren't anti-semitic, but have never met with Israeli officials, I for example, have never met with Israeli officials.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:34 am

UpTheClaretsFCBK wrote: ↑
Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:43 pm
Meeting Israeli officials is not a prerequisite to not being an anti-semite.

You''re quite right here. Certainly not necessary to meet Israeli officials to prove you're possibly not anti-Semitic.

But Jeremy has sat down with many, many anti-semites and I don't know of a single time he has sat down with Israelies.

Similarly, he thinks that it's fine to share stages and "engage in debate" with terrorist groups like his friends Hamas, the IRA and Hezbollah and yet he refuses to share platforms with mainstream UK politicians like David Cameron?

It's puzzling isn't it?

His commitment to hearing both sides of the argument only appears to go one way.

When did he sit down with Zionist groups? When did he call Zionists his friends? When did he condemn Vladamir Putin? When did he back up the British armed forces? When did he invite the UVF to Parliament in the interests of peace?

UpTheClaretsFCBK · Post by **UpTheClaretsFCBK** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:54 am

Rowls wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:34 am
You''re quite right here. Certainly not necessary to meet Israeli officials to prove you're possibly not anti-Semitic.

But Jeremy has sat down with many, many anti-semites and I don't know of a single time he has sat down with Israelies.

Similarly, he thinks that it's fine to share stages and "engage in debate" with terrorist groups like his friends Hamas, the IRA and Hezbollah and yet he refuses to share platforms with mainstream UK politicians like David Cameron?

It's puzzling isn't it?

His commitment to hearing both sides of the argument only appears to go one way.

When did he sit down with Zionist groups? When did he call Zionists his friends? When did he condemn Vladamir Putin? When did he back up the British armed forces? When did he invite the UVF to Parliament in the interests of peace?

What escapes your attention is that there is no evidence that he's not attempted to meet with the Israeli or Zionist groups, he publicly offered to meet UK Chief Rabbi Mirvis a couple of weeks ago. Although I wouldn't like to speculate on who or why, he has publicly stated he's met with Israeli officials and visited Knesset on several occasions. Given his success in helping to broker peace in Northern Ireland, it's astounding that people think this is a negative.

During the Northern Ireland peace process, Corbyn met with David Ervine, a member of the UVF (Ulster Volunteer Force), who was arrested I 1974 while driving a car containing a significant quantity of explosives, Gary McMichael met Corbyn on several occasions. He's also met with Rev Ian Paisley, he wrote to Neil Latimer, a member of the UDF Four, while he was in prison on several occasions.

There's commitment to hearing both sides, if you bother to look for the side the papers don't want to show you.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:55 pm

https://twitter.com/_Geordi_kev_/status ... 2734725120

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:49 pm

Time for Labour activists to drive out the anti-semites and those who have enabled them to flourish.

Weak opposition is not good for democracy.

I genuinely hope a credible Labour candidate will emerge. It's not for me as a non-Labour supporter to pick and I genuinely don't care which wing of their party Labour choose from but I dearly hope they do something to cut out the cancer which has infected Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:09 pm

Good to see Kier Starmer's Labour Party has a proper zero-tolerance policy when it comes to anti-semitism.

It might take a long time to weed out those who give succour to these opinions.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-53183085

claretandy · Post by **claretandy** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:13 pm

Fair play to Starmer, all the right people (Owen Jones, Ash Sarkar) are absolutely furious !

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:13 pm

claretandy wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:13 pm
Fair play to Starmer, all the right people (Owen Jones, Ash Sarkar) are absolutely furious !

He reportedly gave her repeated chances to remove the retweet and she refused. I believe he's made the correct decision.

Bigbopper · Post by **Bigbopper** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:32 pm

Will Equity now make Ms Peake unemployable as they did with Fox.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:38 pm

I’m no fan of Long-Bailey, quite the opposite, but what has she actually done that was anti-Semitic?

If it’s also riled Owen Jones, I can live with it!

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:48 pm

DCWat wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:38 pm
I’m no fan of Long-Bailey, quite the opposite, but what has she actually done that was anti-Semitic?

If it’s also riled Owen Jones, I can live with it!

From what I can see it is that she has endorsed an article from Maxine Peake. The article from Peake seems to be claiming that the tactics used by the US police which led to the death of George Floyd came from the Israeli security forces which trained the Minneapolis police

There is a question about the accuracy but more important seems to be the emphasis on it being linked to Israel rather than the issue of the police tactics themselves. Its a bit like the people whose concern about the sexual abuse of children in the UK is more focused on the colour and religion of the perpetrators than the suffering of ALL the children abused

In both cases the area of focus indicates that there is racism and prejudice being hidden behind a real issue

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:40 pm

It seems something of a tenuous link to me. I’m all for calling out racism. More and more it seems thing are being called out as racist, when they’re not.

Is a comment about what the Israeli military may have trained US police in (reported by such as Amnesty) really an anti Semitic statement?

Devils_Advocate · Post by **Devils_Advocate** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:47 pm

Im not as convinced as others and it is more complex than some make out but it does seem to reinforce antisemitic tropes around Israeli / Jewish attitudes to black people which is a real problem in the world

What Im also not convinced by is a lot on here who are very comfortable to just accept it as clear racism would have the same attitude if the accusation was against white people for racism against brown and black people under similar circumstances

Erasmus · Post by **Erasmus** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:13 pm

If all that was said was that the police tactic was learned from Israeli security forces then there is no way that is anti-semitic. It may be criticism of Israeli security forces, but that is not racism. If this is all that was said then it is a terrible error. Israel and its supporters have been trying for years to block criticism of its conduct by claiming it is all anti-semitism and thereby stifling legitimate criticism of its policies of land seizure and ethnic cleansing, and it seems that Starmer has caved in to that. Unless there is something more it is quite wrong.

Gordaleman · Post by **Gordaleman** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:22 pm

What really p*sses me off about this 'Anti Semetism' stuff is this. We seen to be able to criticise governments all over the worls for human rights abuses. China, Saudi Arabia and Myanmar to name just three. But when people criticise the Israeli government for the same sort of abuse of the Palestinians, it's 'Anti semitism'.

I wonder, could it be because the American Senate and House of Representatives is full of Jews and Britain does nearly everything America tells us? We can't even use our nuclear weapons unless America says it's OK. (Not that I'd want us to, I hasten to add.)

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:24 pm

Hi guys,

This is the thread to discuss anti-semitism. It isn't a thread for anti-semitism.

Thanks

timshorts · Post by **timshorts** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:31 pm

She's in the wrong party. Boris would have swept that under the table with a robust "there's nothing to see here. As far as I am concerned the matter is closed"

AndrewJB · Post by **AndrewJB** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:05 pm

Rowls wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:24 pm
Hi guys,

This is the thread to discuss anti-semitism. It isn't a thread for anti-semitism.

Thanks

In what way was RLB being anti-Semitic?

fidelcastro · Post by **fidelcastro** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:08 pm

AndrewJB wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:05 pm
In what way was RLB being anti-Semitic?

She wasn't, but Israel was mentioned, and that's enough to make you an anti-semite these days, apparently.

Rowls · Post by **Rowls** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:18 pm

AndrewJB wrote: ↑
Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:05 pm
In what way was RLB being anti-Semitic?

Kier Starmer wrote:"The sharing of that article was wrong… because the article contained anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and I have therefore stood Rebecca Long-Bailey down from the shadow cabinet.

"I've made it my first priority to tackle anti-Semitism and rebuilding trust with the Jewish community is a number one priority for me."

basil6345789 · Post by **basil6345789** » Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:43 pm

Racist behaviour?