Council tax rises where does it all end..

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Don't know whether or not your assertion for that 14 year period is correct, but let's assume that it is.
You have to bear in mind that inflation during that period stood at something between 4 and 5% each year, so after 14 years it would have had to go up by well over 50% just to keep pace with inflation, so not quite so dramatic as it appears.

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Have a read and see.
There are various articles on line about it, but they're all pretty much saying the same.
It doubled, or more, for lots of people under Labour.
I suspect if it wasn't for the freeze by the Tories it would've done the same again.

[JohnDearyMe]

Council funding, primarily in the form of Revenue Support Grant, has beeb absolutely decimated since 2010. No surprise that councils are putting up council tax rates to try and plug the gaps given they've effectively been abandoned by cental government.

[SmudgetheClaret]

Yeah, blame poor people and not the rich people buying up land and not developing it because developing it would increase their Council Tax. Also, you know that choosing to live in a decent property means higher Council Tax and instead of complaining about how you are being penalised by the tax system while land owners get subsidies by you, you're blaming poor people like the UI that you are.

Oh there's a surprise champagne socialist turtle supporting the free stuff brigade! then again he may well be one of em..

[South West Claret.]

I too don’t understand why the size of your property affects how much you have to give the council. There are no service level difference between tax bands, so why should one pay anymore than another?

Because the very very well off wouldn't like it one bit, the Poll Tax (as it was referred to at the time) was to milk the less well off and Fairness had nothing to do with .

Remember it was Thatcher who drove it.

[Imploding Turtle]

Oh there's a surprise champagne socialist turtle supporting the free stuff brigade! then again he may well be one of em..

Literally the dumbest possible reply to my post. Congrats.

Nothing in my post said anything about free stuff. My post was about you subsidising rich people but you hate me and people like me so much that it doesn't compute that i'm arguing in your favour on this issue. It's hilarious to me.

[Pimlico_Claret]

The current system of valuations was brought in extremely rushed and ill thought out, to alleviate the political fallout from the failed poll tax.
I had a surveyor friend who was employed to do the valuations in the Burnley area . He had a driver and they literally sped around as many streets as possible in a ridiculously short period of time and just tick a box as to what he thought the property was worth, looking out of the car window.
It beggars belief that it is still in place over 30 years later. Local taxation needs a radical rethink.

[SmudgetheClaret]

Literally the dumbest possible reply to my post. Congrats.

Nothing in my post said anything about free stuff. My post was about you subsidising rich people but you hate me and people like me so much that it doesn't compute that i'm arguing in your favour on this issue. It's hilarious to me.

I'll think you will find I wasn't blaming poor people I was complaining about those who dodge paying CT ! I doubt anyone who you describe as rich hasn't paid substantial taxes particularly if they have been in business plus it's a fact that the top 1% of earners pay 28% of uk taxes..

[Billy Balfour]

He had a driver and they literally sped around as many streets as possible in a ridiculously short period of time and just tick a box as to what he thought the property was worth, looking out of the car window.
It beggars belief that it is still in place over 30 years later. Local taxation needs a radical rethink.

This is why so many are in the wrong band. My grandparents received a refund from the council when questioned their banding after I had looked online at the neighbouring properties. They were moved from Band D to Band C.

[Imploding Turtle]

I'll think you will find I wasn't blaming poor people I was complaining about those who dodge paying CT ! I doubt anyone who you describe as rich hasn't paid substantial taxes particularly if they have been in business plus it's a fact that the top 1% of earners pay 28% of uk taxes..

I don't believe you. I think we both know when you said "able-bodied dodgers" you were talking about the unemployed benefits recipients. Especially considering you just gave your self a stroke over you working hard to earn enough to afford to live in a decent area.

You can say that's not who you were talking about, but you'd be lying.

[SmudgetheClaret]

I don't believe you. I think we both know when you said "able-bodied dodgers" you were talking about the unemployed benefits recipients. Especially considering you just gave your self a stroke over you working hard to earn enough to afford to live in a decent area.

You can say that's not who you were talking about, but you'd be lying.

Think about it "able bodied Dodgers" people who are fit enough to work but choose not to and yes benefit recipients albeit fraudulently ! your typical of a leftist who jumps to the defence of any group in the name of virtue signalling to make yourself feel righteous at the same time as crossing the street to avoid the begging homeless soldier..

[SmudgetheClaret]

Ps turtle how's that Russian collusion going

[Imploding Turtle]

Ps turtle how's that Russian collusion going

It's going pretty well for them. Their plant is shouting at airplanes.

[nil_desperandum]

This is why so many are in the wrong band. My grandparents received a refund from the council when questioned their banding after I had looked online at the neighbouring properties. They were moved from Band D to Band C.

Yes.
When I moved house a few years ago, I successfully challenged the banding, thus reducing it from band E to D. This mean't that my future bill was reduced.
However the real winners were the previous occupants who received a refund for the past 25 or so years amounting to something between 2 and three grand.
They were so grateful for all the work I put in that they brought me round a cheap bottle of supermarket wine! Cheers!

[Cryssys]

Maybe if the government wasn't spending your state pension money (NIC contributions) to reduce the national debt they would have more money to spend on public services which in turn would mean that council tax rises could be limited?

This government is hell bent on running down public services whilst making it seem like it is all the fault of someone else, i.e. local councils. Being the mugs we are we believe it.

[Danieljwaterhouse]

Well no not really, he doesn't drive & if the job is a 6am start, cycling is to far out & it's not financially viable for a taxi, I guess there's a argument there it's his fault for not having a driving license. I believe him there was nothing today it's very sporadic in terms of work suitability & availability.

There’s always a job that fits in with a persons life. People are too arrogant to do these kind of jobs. There stepping stones to a better job and so on

[Jakubclaret]

There’s always a job that fits in with a persons life. People are too arrogant to do these kind of jobs. There stepping stones to a better job and so on

There was nothing there that particular day, I could lie to you & say there was 20 suitable vacancies & he was overwhelmed & refused work, jobs with job agencies are like buses nothing for ages & there all come at once, I’m not entirely sure you are familiar with recruitment & how there work, it’s a myth when people say there’s always work out there well not consistently anyhow, arrogance doesn’t factor when people need to put bread & water on table, believe me they will do anything to feed there families. If there is no work there is no work, people aren’t imagining it.

[Danieljwaterhouse]

There was nothing there that particular day, I could lie to you & say there was 20 suitable vacancies & he was overwhelmed & refused work, jobs with job agencies are like buses nothing for ages & there all come at once, I’m not entirely sure you are familiar with recruitment & how there work, it’s a myth when people say there’s always work out there well not consistently anyhow, arrogance doesn’t factor when people need to put bread & water on table, believe me they will do anything to feed there families. If there is no work there is no work, people aren’t imagining it.

I am very familiar with recruitment and how it works. Agencies are one of the very first things I would remove to help the job market recover.

Yet, I don’t agree that there aren’t jobs, there are always jobs and whilst it might take a short period of time to follow the recruitment process of someone WANTS to work there will be work!

If someone genuinely believes there are no jobs then they should be up skilling themselves ready for the opportunity, for example all level 2 distance learning courses are free at the moment.

I respect that each persons situation is individual and that many individuals have genuine reasons that require society and government support.

[basil6345789]

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Lancs look what happened when we joined the "Common market" cough..

If you plot a Cusum with these figs will show an uphill trend at an angle of about 10° prior to EEC then a sketchier but still clear one of about the same going downhill.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Maybe if the government wasn't spending your state pension money (NIC contributions) to reduce the national debt they would have more money to spend on public services which in turn would mean that council tax rises could be limited?

This government is hell bent on running down public services whilst making it seem like it is all the fault of someone else, i.e. local councils. Being the mugs we are we believe it.

Council tax increases were greater under Labour than they have been under Tories.
In fact under Labour the council tax pretty much doubled

Tories did out a freeze on for 5 years or so, which stopped them outdoing Labour I suspect.

Use the internet, it's all out there to see.

[Devils_Advocate]

Council tax increases were greater under Labour than they have been under Tories.
In fact under Labour the council tax pretty much doubled

Tories did out a freeze on for 5 years or so, which stopped them outdoing Labour I suspect.

Use the internet, it's all out there to see.

Sid uses the Tory Apologist Whataboutery website if anybody is interested

[AlargeClaret]

As for “ no work out there “ sorry but that’s total and utter horsesh1t . Only this week it was announced we had the highest employment since 1971 . Sure first rung on the ladder / going back to the job market etc may mean the dreaded agencies , unsociable hours , travel to work , menial jobs etc etc It’s all a case of how much you want it .Theres literally Always retail or driving work out there of some description .

[KateR]

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Lancs look what happened when we joined the "Common market" cough..

No, no, tell me it isn't so, the economy only goes down since 2016, fake news at it's very best, am reeling from this news, I can see you and Ringo being best friends from here on out

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Sid uses the Tory Apologist Whataboutery website if anybody is interested

Nope, just pointing out the errors of some people that's all.
If you don't like the facts then that's not my issue.

The peoples party ramped up the council tax levels but non of you seem to give a toss

[KateR]

but surely CT has gone up continually since the time of my parents owning house/property? Much like everything else, very little seems to actually come down except for fuel occasionally which is manly due to OPEC and recently Fracking, so am not sure why it's a surprise.

What does surprise me is the costs being bandied about, I have a 2 bed place in London, pay 93/month Band D, the similar place in Ascot all be it 3 bedrooms is Band F and 223/month, but I did expect since we are supposed to have the North South divide that prices quoted would have been much less.

Clearly what you actually get for your CT has been reduced nation wide, which is far more concerning for me, knife crime in London going through the roof but policing drastically reduced is ridiculous with Khan blaming government and government stating no correlation, therefore nothing get's done and it's going to get worse before it gets better

[Cryssys]

Council tax increases were greater under Labour than they have been under Tories.
In fact under Labour the council tax pretty much doubled

Tories did out a freeze on for 5 years or so, which stopped them outdoing Labour I suspect.

Use the internet, it's all out there to see.

The OP asked the question "Council Tax rises, where does it all end? Your response does nothing to address that and I fail to see why you are dragging up stuff that happened 10 - 15 years ago.

Sure, the Tories froze council tax and reduced central government funding which resulted in a significant reduction in the quality of local services. Councils are now trying to raise more money to repair the damage by raising the council tax which makes them look like the villains rather than the government.

If you want someone to blame for the increases then blame the government, not the council.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

The OP asked the question "Council Tax rises, where does it all end? Your response does nothing to address that and I fail to see why you are dragging up stuff that happened 10 - 15 years ago.

Sure, the Tories froze council tax and reduced central government funding which resulted in a significant reduction in the quality of local services. Councils are now trying to raise more money to repair the damage by raising the council tax which makes them look like the villains rather than the government.

If you want someone to blame for the increases then blame the government, not the council.

Just bored of people insinuating it's all down to one party when clearly it isn't

Barely a peep when they were ramped up under a Labour government.

Yes I know the Tories are being utterly useless, resulting in a rise again of council tax but doesn't explain why it rose when Labour threw money around like confetti.

It's almost like the council's failed to put money away for a rainy day, which we know is rubbish because when Iceland's banking system collapsed a number of councils had money stashed away over there.

[Cryssys]

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Yes I know the Tories are being utterly useless, resulting in a rise again of council tax but doesn't explain why it rose when Labour threw money around like confetti.

It's almost like the council's failed to put money away for a rainy day, which we know is rubbish because when Iceland's banking system collapsed a number of councils had money stashed away over there.

Labour threw money around to improve public services. Whether it was used wisely is another debate.

As you say councils, just like central government, had rainy day money invested. For councils it's been raining non stop since 2010 and in many instances a lot of that money has now been spent trying to maintain essential services at a time when they couldn't raise local taxes and grants were being cut.

[deanothedino]

but surely CT has gone up continually since the time of my parents owning house/property? Much like everything else, very little seems to actually come down except for fuel occasionally which is manly due to OPEC and recently Fracking, so am not sure why it's a surprise.

What does surprise me is the costs being bandied about, I have a 2 bed place in London, pay 93/month Band D, the similar place in Ascot all be it 3 bedrooms is Band F and 223/month, but I did expect since we are supposed to have the North South divide that prices quoted would have been much less.

Clearly what you actually get for your CT has been reduced nation wide, which is far more concerning for me, knife crime in London going through the roof but policing drastically reduced is ridiculous with Khan blaming government and government stating no correlation, therefore nothing get's done and it's going to get worse before it gets better

Except fuel is still up massively overall, even when it's temporarily cheaper.

You pay less per month band D than I pay for a band A where I live!

[Jakubclaret]

I am very familiar with recruitment and how it works. Agencies are one of the very first things I would remove to help the job market recover.

Yet, I don’t agree that there aren’t jobs, there are always jobs and whilst it might take a short period of time to follow the recruitment process of someone WANTS to work there will be work!

If someone genuinely believes there are no jobs then they should be up skilling themselves ready for the opportunity, for example all level 2 distance learning courses are free at the moment.

I respect that each persons situation is individual and that many individuals have genuine reasons that require society and government support.

Agree to disagree on this 1, I've fully explained jobs are not there unless Paul Daniels is rising from the dead & waving a magic wand, people I know are not teaming up together conspiring & telling me a pack of lies, ram on with your fantasy, my last post on this subject.

[Devils_Advocate]

Im disappointed in your negative and defeatist outlook Jakub. I thought us British could overcome all adversity with just positivity and belief but if you are struggling to cope with the availability of jobs now god help you if No Deal brexit ever kicks in

Positive thinking brings about positive actions leading to positivity all round, you should try it!

[Top Claret]

Maybe if the government wasn't spending your state pension money (NIC contributions) to reduce the national debt they would have more money to spend on public services which in turn would mean that council tax rises could be limited?

This government is hell bent on running down public services whilst making it seem like it is all the fault of someone else, i.e. local councils. Being the mugs we are we believe it.

This government is hell bent on trying to balance the books after the mess the last Labour administration left us in.
The tories are making a right old mess of Brexit but has always they are doing a good job of managing the economy. We have record numbers in work and even with Brexit hanging over our heads, we still have one of the strongest economies in Europe.

[kentonclaret]

I always have a wry smile when the Chancellor announces a rise in the tax threshold declaring "we believe that people should have more of their own money in their pockets to spend as they wish." The latest adjustment means that the average taxpayer will be roughly £10 per month better off from April when the latest Council Tax Bills are due. A proportion of the Increase is directly down to government under funding of the police which is now being asked to be made up by local authorities directly. In London there are additional increases from the London Mayor to fight knife crime.

[Bfcboyo]

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