Under 10s "free" in the JMU - what's the point?

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:40 pm

Why do the club even bother advertising the fact that season tickets are free in the Jimmy Mac upper when there are none available? Is it simply to make themselves look good or to tick some PL box about affordability for families?

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:43 pm

Foulthrow wrote:Why do the club even bother advertising the fact that season tickets are free in the Jimmy Mac upper when there are none available? Is it simply to make themselves look good or to tick some PL box about affordability for families?

There are existing season ticket holders in there who will still qualify next season so the price has to be included in the season ticket advertising. And it is very definitely not ticking any PL boxes.

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:46 pm

I'll keep banging the drum that it should be obligatory to move out of the JMU when none of the ST's in your group are u18

It may be small numbers but it would help

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:46 pm

I raised this issue last year. I believe there are free U10 tickets available, however the club cannot sell them without a Full paying Adult ticket in the seat next to the U10 - so you'll find there are no suitable seats for sale. I gave up trying to get a free U10 ticket in the end, and I chose seats in CFS instead.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:57 pm

ZizkovClaret wrote:I'll keep banging the drum that it should be obligatory to move out of the JMU when none of the ST's in your group are u18

It may be small numbers but it would help

That would cause more problems than it's worth to be honest, you would be having to move groups of people and there wouldn't be seats available elsewhere.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:03 pm

When we renewed for this season we enquires about moving to the JMU so we could start taking nephew on.

This meant we needed 4 seats together which we couldn’t find (but we could buy 4 separate seats and then transfer them during the seat swap period - if any were available)

This year we tried again and we were able to get 4 together so new seats for us now

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:07 pm

ClaretTony wrote:That would cause more problems than it's worth to be honest, you would be having to move groups of people and there wouldn't be seats available elsewhere.

Although I know what you mean it’s not necessarily true.

Currently there are 3 of us in the JML and we want 4 in upper so nephew can start coming. As previously said we’ve luckily been able to do it this year, but even for the odd games this season it’s been impossible to do it.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:14 pm

It's nothing a relegation won't fix.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:14 pm

The JMU seating has been done to death on here.

Plenty of solitary seats in the stand, including on the same row but when it's suggested people are moved a seat in either direction so some can be paired to be sold up it's always met with hostility.

I'd honestly get less hassle banging someone's wife then I would initiating a seat movement plan.

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:21 pm

ZizkovClaret wrote:I'll keep banging the drum that it should be obligatory to move out of the JMU when none of the ST's in your group are u18

It may be small numbers but it would help

My party is three over 18s in the JMU. We have had season tickets in there since the stand opened. I don’t actually disagree with the sentiment, but how would it be fair for us to be booted out our seats, the location of which has been gradually upgraded as the years have gone by, to be moved into another stand, with a worse view and a higher price?

As I say, I completely understand the sentiment as I will want to bring my lad on in a couple of years, but it’s not at all easy to solve.

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:23 pm

Rileybobs wrote:My party is three over 18s in the JMU. We have had season tickets in there since the stand opened. I don’t actually disagree with the sentiment, but how would it be fair for us to be booted out our seats, the location of which has been gradually upgraded as the years have gone by, to be moved into another stand, with a worse view and a higher price?

As I say, I completely understand the sentiment as I will want to bring my lad on in a couple of years, but it’s not at all easy to solve.

I would argue a deal where you would be given an improved view at the same price for the 1st season after move, so JHU wings?

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:24 pm

Surely it is easy to resolve though? Just don’t limit free under tens to the JMU.

Corky · Post by **Corky** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:25 pm

So what is being said here; capacity is an issue or someone just can't be arsed to have a root and branch look at resolving the situation. If it just means shifting a few people round in an area that I assume is designated for family use then so be it. Do it.

It seems criminal that whilst we are in the Prem the Club are not doing their utmost to ensure that "under 10s" get hooked on supporting the Clarets.

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:26 pm

wilks_bfc wrote:Although I know what you mean it’s not necessarily true.

Currently there are 3 of us in the JML and we want 4 in upper so nephew can start coming. As previously said we’ve luckily been able to do it this year, but even for the odd games this season it’s been impossible to do it.

I think it would be very true. Imagine a family of four say being forced out of the JMU and trying to find seats together in another stand. I doubt there will be many, if any, fours available. So forcing people out of the JMU would, in my view, cause too many problems for existing season ticket holders.

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:27 pm

It is frustrating to see it advertised though. I took my 8 year old lad to the Spurs game and he loved it. He then kept banging on about getting a season ticket. I think, perfect, get ones in the JMU. After a frustrating conversation through a low down window (what’s that all about?) it turns out there’s none available! Don’t advertise it then!!!!

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:28 pm

But yet we are told a project such as an extra tier of fresh seats in the BL isnt needed, despite the fact giving first dibs on these to Adults in the JMU would go a long way to resolving this issue

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:39 pm

ZizkovClaret wrote:I would argue a deal where you would be given an improved view at the same price for the 1st season after move, so JHU wings?

OK in theory, but could you guarantee that you could accommodate all parties of over 18's so that they are sat together?

Also, I don't consider the wings of the JHU as better seats than ours.

As someone else says, if we were relegated this wouldn't be an issue. By dislodging a lot of loyal supporters the club would be risking alienating them.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 3:58 pm

There always seems to be loads of single seats available in the JMU, with multiple single seats on the same row. To provide seats together (2, 3, 4 etc) for new ST holders could this not be resolved by just moving ST holders along their row? Just looked at what's available for the Leicester game and if people moved just a seat or two away from their normal seats there would be 14 pairs available, plus 5 3's and a 4.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:03 pm

Leisure wrote:There always seems to be loads of single seats available in the JMU, with multiple single seats on the same row. To provide seats together (2, 3, 4 etc) for new ST holders could this not be resolved by just moving ST holders along their row? Just looked at what's available for the Leicester game and if people moved just a seat or two away from their normal seats there would be 14 pairs available, plus 5 3's and a 4.

Just stop right there, it isn't worth making such a sensible suggestion.
It's met with hostility every single time it's raised on here and it's mentioned annually.
We just have to accept that people on here aren't willing to move one seat along for the benefit of others.

I suspect if the club sent out some letters to current JMU season ticket holders they'd get a reasonable response though, quite possibly willing from many people.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:09 pm

Leisure wrote:There always seems to be loads of single seats available in the JMU, with multiple single seats on the same row. To provide seats together (2, 3, 4 etc) for new ST holders could this not be resolved by just moving ST holders along their row? Just looked at what's available for the Leicester game and if people moved just a seat or two away from their normal seats there would be 14 pairs available, plus 5 3's and a 4.

I totally agree with this approach, especially if the move was towards centre (in theory the best block), leaving the blocks of seats together at each side of the stand. Over time, with seat moves etc, by the time your U10 is actually interested you may be sitting more centrally and have a "better" seat...

As Sid has said though, you cant raise such forward thinking ideas on here as you'll be lynched...

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:12 pm

I'm happy to settle for banging someone's spouse instead, less aggro

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:13 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:I'm happy to settle for banging someone's spouse instead, less aggro

Even if that results in them needing another under 10 seat a few seasons later ?

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:35 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Even if that results in them needing another under 10 seat a few seasons later ?

lol

PaintYorkClaretnBlue · Post by **PaintYorkClaretnBlue** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:42 pm

Leisure wrote:There always seems to be loads of single seats available in the JMU, with multiple single seats on the same row. To provide seats together (2, 3, 4 etc) for new ST holders could this not be resolved by just moving ST holders along their row? Just looked at what's available for the Leicester game and if people moved just a seat or two away from their normal seats there would be 14 pairs available, plus 5 3's and a 4.

I sit in there and this would be a sensible approach, it’s ridiculous that it hasn’t been considered.

AndyClaret · Post by **AndyClaret** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:44 pm

This is why we do need an increase in capacity, not enough suitable seats for families, and not enough suitable seats for people willing to move out of the family stand.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:44 pm

claretonthecoast1882 wrote:Even if that results in them needing another under 10 seat a few seasons later ?

Perhaps he single handedly wants to raise the gate at TM ...

Hope they have brought in contactless payment

... else he will need loadsa cash to by twix's and cokes for that lot

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:45 pm

Bosscat wrote:Perhaps he single handedly wants to raise the gate at TM ...

Hope they have brought in contactless payment ... else he will need loadsa cash to by twix's and cokes for that lot

Or more piggy banks being brought to matches

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 4:49 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Just stop right there, it isn't worth making such a sensible suggestion.
It's met with hostility every single time it's raised on here and it's mentioned annually.
We just have to accept that people on here aren't willing to move one seat along for the benefit of others.

I suspect if the club sent out some letters to current JMU season ticket holders they'd get a reasonable response though, quite possibly willing from many people.

I'd be more than happy to move along a few seats either way if it freed up a block of seats that could be used by a family.

Leisure · Post by **Leisure** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:16 pm

AndyClaret wrote:This is why we do need an increase in capacity, not enough suitable seats for families, and not enough suitable seats for people willing to move out of the family stand.

Not sure just how it's known that there aren't enough suitable seats for those willing to move out, when as far as I'm aware no one has ever been asked whether or not they would be willing to do so.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 5:56 pm

Leisure wrote:Not sure just how it's known that there aren't enough suitable seats for those willing to move out, when as far as I'm aware no one has ever been asked whether or not they would be willing to do so.

They don't need to be asked to move out of the stand do they?
I'll need to check the small print, but I thought that you couldn't purchase a season ticket in the JMU unless you were buying kids/U18's tickets at the same time??

If that's the case, once a person dings over to 18yrs old then the following season they're ineligible for a ticket in the JMU unless they're being purchased with a kids ticket ..
Just needs the rules enforcing.

NL Claret · Post by **NL Claret** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:20 pm

Would UTC posters / fans be happy if the club took Man City's approach when they put the third tier on behind the goal. Some season ticket holders in the main stand were given the option of paying a substantial increase to stay where they were or move to the 3rd tier for the same price.

Still don't buy into the capacity increase, didn't work at Valley Parade.

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:21 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:They don't need to be asked to move out of the stand do they?
I'll need to check the small print, but I thought that you couldn't purchase a season ticket in the JMU unless you were buying kids/U18's tickets at the same time??

If that's the case, once a person dings over to 18yrs old then the following season they're ineligible for a ticket in the JMU unless they're being purchased with a kids ticket ..
Just needs the rules enforcing.

This is the confusing thing about it.
The small print says
“ADULTS/OVER 65/U22 must be purchased with U18, U12 or U10 ticket within this area”

Which I thought meant that to buy an adult/over 65 or u22 ticket you needed to get a U18, U12 or U10 but it could read the other way around

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:27 pm

NL Claret wrote:Would UTC posters / fans be happy if the club took Man City's approach when they put the third tier on behind the goal. Some season ticket holders in the main stand were given the option of paying a substantial increase to stay where they were or move to the 3rd tier for the same price.

Still don't buy into the capacity increase, didn't work at Valley Parade.

Nowts ever worked at Valley Parade that's why they are still in league one, just

Rileybobs · Post by **Rileybobs** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:07 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:They don't need to be asked to move out of the stand do they?
I'll need to check the small print, but I thought that you couldn't purchase a season ticket in the JMU unless you were buying kids/U18's tickets at the same time??

If that's the case, once a person dings over to 18yrs old then the following season they're ineligible for a ticket in the JMU unless they're being purchased with a kids ticket ..
Just needs the rules enforcing.

Couldn’t that lead to some people taking up the offer of a free under 10’s ticket with no intention to use it, thus exacerbating the problem?

Foulthrow · Post by **Foulthrow** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:09 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:They don't need to be asked to move out of the stand do they?
I'll need to check the small print, but I thought that you couldn't purchase a season ticket in the JMU unless you were buying kids/U18's tickets at the same time??

If that's the case, once a person dings over to 18yrs old then the following season they're ineligible for a ticket in the JMU unless they're being purchased with a kids ticket ..
Just needs the rules enforcing.

Is this not part of the problem though? Are some people simply adding an U10 on when they renew their ticket? It would cost them no extra and ensures they keep their seat. There will always be a son, nephew, niece, neighbour’s lad or whatever.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:20 pm

Foulthrow wrote:Is this not part of the problem though? Are some people simply adding an U10 on when they renew their ticket? It would cost them no extra and ensures they keep their seat. There will always be a son, nephew, niece, neighbour’s lad or whatever.

Not if they enforced stricter rules like perhaps be a parent or demonstration of parental control along with living at the same address and then finally birth certificate... lots of hoops but necessary to do

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:08 pm

More than well done to the club for offering free u10 seats.

Perhaps there should be a charge for every seat, albeit low for juniors. Might create a little space. Free is too easy to take and not use.

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:30 am

Rileybobs wrote:Couldn’t that lead to some people taking up the offer of a free under 10’s ticket with no intention to use it, thus exacerbating the problem?

The club can monitor if a ticket is used throughout the season.
If a ticket isn't used for the season than clearly it's someone taking advantage of a deal to allow them to sit in the stand.
Then the club can act.
This could be done half way through the season for example, prior to the renewal period.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:39 am

Judging by the amount of empty seats around every game I suspect a lot of the free tickets are not used.

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:20 am

Lots of good ideas but it won't happen. The amount of work required by the club would be too much added to the gaming of the system that would go on by people who will just add an under-10 ticket when they need one.

AndyClaret · Post by **AndyClaret** » Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:53 pm

Foulthrow wrote:Is this not part of the problem though? Are some people simply adding an U10 on when they renew their ticket? It would cost them no extra and ensures they keep their seat. There will always be a son, nephew, niece, neighbour’s lad or whatever.

It's only for NEW season tickets that you have to have a under 18, renewals don't need to, there are loads of people sat near me with no kids.