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Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by Chester Perry » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:58 pm

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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:16 am

1 good season, not played for 6 months and he's 3rd choice at Burnley. £10m is about right. If he was at another club and we were looking at him i wouldn't want my club risking too much money on him.

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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by Tricky Trevor » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:24 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:1 good season, not played for 6 months and he's 3rd choice at Burnley. £10m is about right. If he was at another club and we were looking at him i wouldn't want my club risking too much money on him.
One season so good it saw him into a World Cup squad and stopped by injury not loss of form. Has to be worth more than £10m.
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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by Chester Perry » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:34 am

Many would suggest that one good season is one more than Jordan Pickford who went for £30m
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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:38 am

Has Pickford had a good season since his move to Everton?

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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by Imploding Turtle » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:47 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Has Pickford had a good season since his move to Everton?
That's a fair point, although Sunderland hardly had much of a defence. Our defence kept a lot of shots from even reaching Pope, and the quality of the players in front of him has to play a part when you're looking to spend millions on a goalkeeper with so little information on which to make a valuation.

Given that it was only one season, he had a favourable situation with the players in front of him, and throw in the risk that it was a flash in the pan then i think £10m is fine.

And if anyone doesn't think that a players' value should be affected by their team mates then i refer you to the example of Michael Keane who in hindsight clearly benefited from playing along side players, and under coaches, who amplified his abilities.
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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by SGr » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:03 am

Mike McGrath has come out with a lot of nonsense, BUT would he want to play second fiddle to Heaton next season?

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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by tim_noone » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:38 am

SGr wrote:Mike McGrath has come out with a lot of nonsense, BUT would he want to play second fiddle to Heaton next season?
TBF He's got Hart n Pope to contend with Also....

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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by MT03ALG » Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:48 am

Nick Pope's parents don't think he will be at Burnley next season.

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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by Vegas Claret » Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:57 am

if we sell him for ten million then the "the transfer window is hard, it's so expensive boo ******* hoo" won't wash any more

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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by Woodleyclaret » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:39 am

Its a story from the Sun.The only thing you can believe in the Sun is the date on the front.
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Post by Rumpelstiltskin » Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:52 am

Make sure there are significant add ons...Maybe £10 million for first England appearance then £500,OOO for each additional appearance...Take it or leave it Arsenal

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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by wilks_bfc » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:27 am

Woodleyclaret wrote:Its a story from the Sun.The only thing you can believe in the Sun is the date on the front.

Tbh even then I’d be using another source just to confirm it
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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by South West Claret. » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:28 am

And just what do you expect from that rag?

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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by mealdeal » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:32 am

MT03ALG wrote:Nick Pope's parents don't think he will be at Burnley next season.
Indeed they don’t.

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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by Rileybobs » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:37 am

If Pope is to leave we ought to be expecting double the figure quoted.

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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by Rileybobs » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:38 am

MT03ALG wrote:Nick Pope's parents don't think he will be at Burnley next season.
What have his parents said?

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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by Steve1956 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:51 am

Rileybobs wrote:What have his parents said?
"Nick you really need to see a dentist about a brace"
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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by Dark Cloud » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:54 am

I'm assuming Charlton will be getting a large slice of any fee anyway. But for the record I personally think he's the best of our 3 keepers and I'd be looking to hang on tbh.
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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by Blackrod » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:00 am

That paper doesn’t even send reporters to games and post nonsense imo in match reports. So hopefully more nonsense. Pope should be the future and Hart should go. Pope should be battling Heaton and it only takes one injury.

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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by randomclaret2 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:06 am

If we are relegated the club will snap any club's hand off for £10m

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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by PaintYorkClaretnBlue » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:06 am

The fact that he went to the World Cup with England puts his value way over £10m in today’s market.

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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by jrgbfc » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:09 am

PaintYorkClaretnBlue wrote:The fact that he went to the World Cup with England puts his value way over £10m in today’s market.
He went as our third choice keeper! 15 million tops.

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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by WestMidsClaret » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:10 am

Rather keep Pope then the other 2 to be honest. He'll only get better if he keeps on the upward trajectory he was on. But if he sees his future elsewhere then we should hold out for a decent amount.

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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by Steve1956 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:10 am

Pickford went for £30 million...... Yes £30 million...Pope's price I'd say £30million is a fair price for a proven Premier league performer why do we always sell ourselves short?
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Post by jrgbfc » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:17 am

No one is going to pay 30 million for Pope. We're then stuck with an unhappy member of the squad. Say for example the Arsenal rumours are true, that would be pretty much the perfect move for him. He's a Southern lad, and even if he goes as number 2 he'd get to play plenty of games in the cup competitions.

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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by boatshed bill » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:18 am

The comparison with Pickford ignores the fact that Pickford was in absolutely brilliant form with Sunderland, currently Pope has no form.
How Pickford has performed since his transfer to Everton is irrelevant.

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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by Stayingup » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:23 am

Dark Cloud wrote:I'm assuming Charlton will be getting a large slice of any fee anyway. But for the record I personally think he's the best of our 3 keepers and I'd be looking to hang on tbh.
Its a good point because hes also the youngest.

Not a popular view this maybe but he would be number one for me.

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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by Steve1956 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:30 am

jrgbfc wrote:No one is going to pay 30 million for Pope. We're then stuck with an unhappy member of the squad. Say for example the Arsenal rumours are true, that would be pretty much the perfect move for him. He's a Southern lad, and even if he goes as number 2 he'd get to play plenty of games in the cup competitions.
Playing in a cup game once every blue moon is not my idea of fun and it's probably not Pope's either...it's about playing EVERY game for your club.

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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by Right_winger » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:33 am

£10m seems to be on the low side. £15-£20m is more realistic in today’s market.

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Post by Goobs » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:40 am

Had we sold him in the summer just gone (pre injury) then I reckon we could have been looking at about £20m-£25m for him.

Now after not playing for a year I think £10m-£15m is a good and fair price.

If you want to compare him to Pickford then the following should be taken into account,
Pickford had just had a very standout season in a poor team where he made some fantastic saves.
Nick Pope will likely have played played about 2-3 games in 12 months at the time of sale.
IF we sell him this summer then Nick Pope will be 27, at the time he was sold Pickford was 23.
Pickford can play the "sweeper keeper" role a lot of managers like at the moment Popes kicking makes Marlon Beresford look accurate.

I like Nick Pope and would love him to stay as I think he is close to being the best England have (very close match with Heaton) however anyone thinking we will get anywhere near £30m is going to be sadly disappointed.

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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by jrgbfc » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:42 am

Steve1956 wrote:Playing in a cup game once every blue moon is not my idea of fun and it's probably not Pope's either...it's about playing EVERY game for your club.
He'd get a lot more games as Arsenal's reserve keeper than staying as ours though, and earn more money. If he moves to one of the big boys he'll have to accept starting as a number 2.

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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by Quickenthetempo » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:42 am

I'm hoping he will be our number one next year. That the injury has had no lasting damage and he comes for every cross that comes in our box like old times.

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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by Lancasterclaret » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:42 am

One of either Hart, Heaton or Pope is definitely going.

Heaton is the No 1 and would have to be injured or suffer a catastrophic loss of form that we've never seen from him to lose his place I reckon.

Pope is a brilliant keeper, and deserves to be No 1 somewhere.

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Post by Pstotto » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:02 am

Nick Pope is our no.1 goalkeeper who can't get in the team due to an etiquette queue and a tragic signing for some behind-the-scenes reason. Worth £40M, we should sell Hart now and keep Pope.

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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by Goobs » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:05 am

If Pope is worth £40m then it will be interesting to see how we spend the £150m we get for Selling Tarks in the summer :lol:

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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by AlargeClaret » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:41 am

Between about 10-15m is about right he’s only had 1 season in the prem . He’s a good keeper and for crosses he’s not far of the great Petr cech imo . He’s not however the ideal modern template for most “ big” club keepers who have been overpaying for keepers quite staggeringly recently .If we get above 15m that would be remarkable

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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by elwaclaret » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:58 am

Another who thinks it’s makes no sense selling Pope unless he’s desperate to go. Hart needs first team football.

Pope should be vying with Heaton next season again for me. Not that I would have a problem with Hart staying if one of the above want a move regardless.

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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by MACCA » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:15 am

A few questions that need answering first from the managers, boards and players point of view.

1. Can we keep all 3 happy if all fit - No
2. Who will command the highest fee/profit - Pope
3. Will Pope want to be 2nd or 3rd choice here on the wages he is on - No
4. If we sell Pope for anywhere over 10-15m will the board think that's good business - Yes
5. Can we then promote a 3rd GK from within and/or buy one at a vastly reduce rate than the income received - Yes
6. Will selling Pope have a negative effect/dramatical change on the playing squad side in terms of quality or moral - No

He has to be either number 1 here, or leave IMO. I'd prefer the former, with once proven fully fit and back to his best rewarded with a new 5 year deal, to be our keeper for the long term regardless of division, and he can concentrate on settling back in and getting back to the form pre England call up.

Sadly I think we will think of the here and now, flog him, and 12-24 months later ( maximum ) be looking at finding a new number one.

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Post by claretspice » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:38 am

elwaclaret wrote:Another who thinks it’s makes no sense selling Pope unless he’s desperate to go. Hart needs first team football.

Pope should be vying with Heaton next season again for me. Not that I would have a problem with Hart staying if one of the above want a move regardless.
All fine in a perfect world, but Pope isn't realistically going to be that happy to be back up at a club like Burnley. I'd rather Hart went, but if someone wants Pope at a price that we're comfortable with, that probably makes more financial sense.

In truth there's a reasonable possibility both Pope and Hart go this summer as neither will want to lay back up indefinitely. Heaton is first choice, and it's important to the club that Heaton remains first choice because he's such a key figure within the club. I think we've learned that this season.

How much Pope is worth depends on what someone is willing to pay for him, but I'd have thought £20 million was absolutely tops and £15 million probably more realistic.

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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by TVC15 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:55 am

I think there is a good chance of Pope and Hart both not being here by next summer.
We should be looking to move Hart on - and hopefully he wants to go himself. He does not seem the type to want to sit on the bench and it’s an expensive reserve player for us.
Nick Pope - will be gutted for him to leave. But he will not want another year out / on the bench.
Think it would be the same situation if Tom was not in the nets - you can’t realistically keep 3 (or 2) keepers of that quality at the club when you are a team the size of Burnley.

As for Pope’s value we need to be asking for a minimum of £20m in my view. His stats and performances are all there for everyone to see....and in this market he is worth at least that.

We’ll need to go to the market and try and find the next Tom or Nick Pope - we have a great record in this department so no reason we can’t do it again.
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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by ClaretTony » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:35 pm

Not the best week to post this given last Sunday at Anfield but Tom is the best of the three for me. And we would have lost him in January had he not got back in the team when he did.

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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by IanMcL » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:47 pm

I think Pope is going to be a world beating goalkeeper.

However, we have 3 keepers. 1 has filled in and has now been replaced.

One has regained his place in the first team and wants to stay. Biggest of fish in our pond.

The best of then will be snapped up sooner or later. Likely sooner. If we let the first two go, in favour of Pope, we would still lose Pope. Then we would have 0 out of 3 left.
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Re: Laughable valuation on Nick Pope amid claims we are ready to sell

Post by jdrobbo » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:50 pm

For me, he’s our best keeper. We’d be absolutely stupid to sell him.
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Post by TVC15 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:55 pm

jdrobbo wrote:For me, he’s our best keeper. We’d be absolutely stupid to sell him.
I’m sure we don’t want to but if he wants to go like most players the club ends up granting their wishes.
It’s not stupid to cash in on a player who wants to go - it’s just reality.
No other club has our scenario really - these big clubs with experienced no2 keepers like Romero the keepers seem happy to be no 2 playing in the odd cup tie and picking up a bigger wage than when they were no 1 keepers at their old clubs. Pope’s situation is not like that. He needs to play and to put it quite coldly he “needs” a big pay day / contract whilst his stock is this high.

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