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Re: Crouch

Post by randomclaret2 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:54 pm

I take it you havent read Mike Riggs comments Combat Claret ?

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Re: Crouch

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:58 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:...
Zero ambition

Ah there it is. I've missed this complaint. It was so much fun several years ago in the Championship and look at how right it was. There's been literally no ambition shown.

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Re: Crouch

Post by Vino blanco » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:05 pm

I said that signing Crouch was an embarrassment: I still stand by that statement.

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Re: Crouch

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:07 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Ah there it is. I've missed this complaint. It was so much fun several years ago in the Championship and look at how right it was. There's been literally no ambition shown.
Ambition would be signing players who come in and improve the first team.

Hart aside not a single player has done that in the last 3 windows.

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Re: Crouch

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:12 pm

CombatClaret wrote:Does getting players over the line include paying over the odds and/or more than we think they're worth.
Was it £20million Birmingham wanted?!
I think it came down to the fact that Brum would not have been able to buy a replacement, and the player/his agent were not keen on the move. Would £20million have been so wrong, we paid £16m for Wood?

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Re: Crouch

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:25 pm

boatshed bill wrote:I think it came down to the fact that Brum would not have been able to buy a replacement, and the player/his agent were not keen on the move. Would £20million have been so wrong, we paid £16m for Wood?
We clearly dont want Vydra, we could have always exchanged...

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Re: Crouch

Post by boatshed bill » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:29 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:We clearly dont want Vydra, we could have always exchanged...
It does look that way, but I read somewhere that Evans wouldn't have come anyhow.
It does (if true) beg the question why we spent time chasing him.

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Re: Crouch

Post by Dark Cloud » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:42 pm

Anyway, back to Crouch. Old, slow, past it and useless. Otherwise a good addition to the squad, as I believe he's brilliant in the dressing room. Wait until he gets injured and needs an op. We all know it's coming!!!

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Re: Crouch

Post by Northerner » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:57 pm

Tough to admit but with crouch on the field we create more. He wins more headers than Barnes and wood who were woeful today. Wood is one of the most stationary players I've seen.
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Re: Crouch

Post by Murger » Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:04 pm

Crouch isn't the reason we are losing games. Dyches inability to change it up, is.

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Re: Crouch

Post by CombatClaret » Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:04 pm

boatshed bill wrote:I think it came down to the fact that Brum would not have been able to buy a replacement, and the player/his agent were not keen on the move.
But club, player & agent were keen enough to sit through multiple rounds of negotiations and consider several offers.
Doesn't sound like we were barking up the wrong tree from the off, sounds like there was a deal there but too rich for us.

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Re: Crouch

Post by brexit » Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:13 pm

MACCA wrote:You can't blame the board, we've frozen season tickets AGAIN.

What more do you want?

There's not many clubs better ran than ours that can turn over huge profits 3 seasons on the spin and are totally s3lf sufficient.
Stupid comment Season Ticket price are irrelevant in the Premier League ( and most of the EFL) Even increasing the price of every season ticket by £50 would bring the club around 700k per year extra revenue peanuts compared with the television money.

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Re: Crouch

Post by ClaretLoup » Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:22 pm

I would rather see Agyei given a chance than a clapped out relic like Crouch.

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Re: Crouch

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:25 pm

Shouldn't be the season scapegoat not implying anybody is suggesting he is, seems a daft signing but he's the type to pop up with a goal against Cardiff or any team it's in the locker & cap it off a fairy tale ending.

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Re: Crouch

Post by Vino blanco » Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:33 pm

I hope he does 'pop up with a goal against Cardiff', because it would be his 13th league goal since the start of the 2015/16 season. Not what you would call prolific.

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Re: Crouch

Post by Jakubclaret » Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:38 pm

Vino blanco wrote:I hope he does 'pop up with a goal against Cardiff', because it would be his 13th league goal since the start of the 2015/16 season. Not what you would call prolific.
Reminds me of a Kevin Phillips type signing off ,(different style I know) but a potential season defining goal, who knows what he could contribute towards the end.

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Re: Crouch

Post by chipbutty » Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:53 pm

Billy Balfour wrote:Let me guess. Phil Collins, Jimmy Nail, James Blunt?
You are miles off the mark with Dyche and his musical penchants
Massive Kasabian fan, who were here today.

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Re: Crouch

Post by dr dre » Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:59 pm

say what you like about cCrouch but every time he has come on he has created chances for other players like Vydra today and the penalty claim against Morgan was Vokes having the same affect in the same time as a sub which was basically his role this season.
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Re: Crouch

Post by Billy Balfour » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:39 pm

chipbutty wrote:You are miles off the mark with Dyche and his musical penchants
Massive Kasabian fan, who were here today.

https://www.90min.com/posts/6037782-sea ... urite-gigs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Yeah, I know. I was joking. I just picked three dull bands/artists.

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Re: Crouch

Post by Swizzlestick » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:43 pm

He doesn't look anywhere near the required standard, and I remain surprised at the number of people were were a-ok with losing Vokes and replacing him with a 38 year old who couldn't get into a ****-poor Stoke team. He provides an awkward presence at best, and frankly, that just isn't good enough.
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Re: Crouch

Post by taio » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:48 pm

Swizzlestick wrote:He doesn't look anywhere near the required standard, and I remain surprised at the number of people were were a-ok with losing Vokes and replacing him with a 38 year old who couldn't get into a ****-poor Stoke team. He provides an awkward presence at best, and frankly, that just isn't good enough.
No way Vokes should have been sold. Poor decision.
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Re: Crouch

Post by THEWELLERNUT70 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:54 pm

When you've got big slow lumps of defenders eating everything up in the air Crouch is not the answer. Their backline was comfortable yesterday playing with their backs to goal. We needed pace and to play it on the deck to at least get their lumps on the turn and at least expose their lack of mobility and pace. On the very few occasions we did this we had a sending off and a goal in our favour

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Re: Crouch

Post by Winstonswhite » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:02 pm

I’d be interested to hear what Stoke fans think of Vokes. He’s scored once in 6 games and that’s a division lower. It wouldn’t surprise me if it was “how did this immobile lump play in the Premier League”.

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Re: Crouch

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:08 pm

Winstonswhite wrote:I’d be interested to hear what Stoke fans think of Vokes. He’s scored once in 6 games and that’s a division lower. It wouldn’t surprise me if it was “how did this immobile lump play in the Premier League”.
Having seen him first hand at that level alongside Ings, Gray and even Austin I dont need to hear what they think.

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Re: Crouch

Post by taio » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:12 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Having seen him first hand at that level alongside Ings, Gray and even Austin I dont need to hear what they think.
Me neither. Couldn't give a toss what Stoke fans think of him. Vokes was good for us - that's all that matters - and was sold prematurely.

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Re: Crouch

Post by Winstonswhite » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:43 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Having seen him first hand at that level alongside Ings, Gray and even Austin I dont need to hear what they think.
Yes I know you don’t but I think you’re barking up the wrong tree thinking we’d better off if we’d kept Vokes. He had a good few years with us but his time was up at the top level.

For the record it took about two seconds on their forum to see him described just as I’d said. But they’re bound to say that as they’re doing so sh!te. I’m sure he’ll come good at that level.

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Re: Crouch

Post by Somethingfishy » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:50 pm

MACCA wrote:You can't blame the board, we've frozen season tickets AGAIN.

What more do you want?

There's not many clubs better ran than ours that can turn over huge profits 3 seasons on the spin and are totally s3lf sufficient.
I agree. It is a fantastic price to watch Prem footy and is still great value if it is Championship footy we are watching. We will still havea club in 10 years time too!

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Re: Crouch

Post by Swizzlestick » Sun Mar 17, 2019 2:21 pm

Couldn’t give a flying what Stoke fans think. Their team is underperforming in all areas of the pitch. He was good for us and would have been a far better option than Crouch.

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Re: Crouch

Post by MDWat » Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:52 pm

A nonsense of a signing. He's absolutely useless.

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Re: Crouch

Post by Top Claret » Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:04 pm

I didn't mind seeing Vokes go he has had a poor season and missed a hat full of chances. Vokes was looking very leggy, he wouldn't have offered any better than Crouch. Cork and Westwood look to be back to their old selfs, that is concerning. They both need to find some form quick if we are to stop up
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Re: Crouch

Post by Dark Cloud » Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:56 pm

The problem is we start with a big, always offside, slow/static, "target man" who struggles to control the ball up front and then when hoofing the ball up to him isn't working, we simply take him off and bring on an even bigger, slower and more static "target man"!! So unsurprisingly not much changes!! Yesterday Barnes was having a very poor game, so why not try something different and get Vydra on far earlier? At least then we might pose a threat on the deck where Leicester looked far more vulnerable.
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Re: Crouch

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:05 pm

Somethingfishy wrote:I agree. It is a fantastic price to watch Prem footy and is still great value if it is Championship footy we are watching. We will still havea club in 10 years time too!
People keep spitting this 'we will still have a club to support' nonsense.

Leeds. The biggest basket case of the lot along with Portsmouth are still going.

Theres zero chance we would ever cease to exist.

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Re: Crouch

Post by Indecisive » Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:25 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Ambition would be signing players who come in and improve the first team.

Hart aside not a single player has done that in the last 3 windows.
Wood and Cork came in and helped us towards a 7th place finish last year.

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Re: Crouch

Post by joey13 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:31 pm

Vokes is starting for Stoke , Crouch wasn’t, the reason for this is obvious

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Re: Crouch

Post by CaptainKirk » Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:37 pm

I think Crouch is a good player and may yet prove his worth.

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Re: Crouch

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:29 pm

Indecisive wrote:Wood and Cork came in and helped us towards a 7th place finish last year.
Cork signed 4 windows ago. I will give you Wood. Ooo err.

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Re: Crouch

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:34 pm

CaptainKirk wrote:I think Crouch is a good player and may yet prove his worth.
He has scored 13 goals in the last 4 seasons. He won't do anything Vokes couldn't.

Like The Juke, Sordell, Wells, Walters signings it is a complete and utter waste of money and a **** take out of all the fans. And I said so about all of them when we signed them, Walters aside.

None of them (Walters aside) had any sort of pedigree at the level we were playing at when we signed them and it was obvious to all that they would be a waste of a signing.
I held out some hope on Vydra (like I did Bamford), but when even he isnt given a chance there is no hope. Foolish to even think Crouch will offer anything.

He may, just may get us a vital goal in one of our remaining games. Hopefuly Cardiff to make him a true cult hero here. He doesnt deserve abuse or ****.


But even if he does get us that goal, the fact remains it was a dreadful signing and under no circumstances should we be renewing his contract for next season.

And I love Peter Crouch.

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Re: Crouch

Post by Steve1956 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:37 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:He has scored 13 goals in the last 4 seasons. He won't do anything Vokes couldn't.

Like The Juke, Sordell, Wells, Walters signings it is a complete and utter waste of money and a **** take out of all the fans. And I said so about all of them when we signed them, Walters aside.

None of them (Walters aside) had any sort of pedigree at the level we were playing at when we signed them and it was obvious to all that they would be a waste of a signing.
I held out some hope on Vydra (like I did Bamford), but when even he isnt given a chance there is no hope. Foolish to even think Crouch will offer anything.

He may, just may get us a vital goal in one of our remaining games. Hopefuly Cardiff to make him a true cult hero here. He doesnt deserve abuse or ****.


But even if he does get us that goal, the fact remains it was a dreadful signing and under no circumstances should we be renewing his contract for next season.

And I love Peter Crouch.
Crouch and Vydra will rip the Championship a new arse next season...little big man it's worked before,he will get another 12 months if we go down.

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Re: Crouch

Post by IanMcL » Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:55 pm

Crouch has done nothing wrong. He is an intelligent footballer, who causes havoc. On another (fair) day, the defender with his arms spread and handling the ball, all because of the Crouch effect, would have been properly penalised and we would have got a penalty.

I like Mr Dyche. He understands the possibilities for Burnley FC, has magnified and upgraded them and appreciates the limitations of a small town club.

Pity some fans don't get either, after we lose a match but rejoice in the winning.

Up the Clarets

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Re: Crouch

Post by Indecisive » Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:56 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Cork signed 4 windows ago. I will give you Wood. Ooo err.
You’re right. I read seasons rather than windows. The last three windows only goes back 14 months.

Your point holds I guess, in that we haven’t really added to the first team squad in that time. Love the bit of bait you cast dropping in Hart as the anomaly.

This next window will be important if we do stay up, and we’ve got to hope provides Rigg with the opportunity to show the value he can add.

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Re: Crouch

Post by TVC15 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:15 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Cork signed 4 windows ago. I will give you Wood. Ooo err.
Not too hot on the facts are we CC ?
When is it you think we signed Cork ?

Did we not sign Charlie Taylor in the same window ?
So that’s more than £30m spent in that window on 3 players on 3 first eleven regulars.

Plus we signed Bardsley that same window.

Oh and i make it 3 windows ago.

Other than that you are once again spot on !

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Re: Crouch

Post by cricketfieldclarets » Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:33 am

TVC15 wrote:Not too hot on the facts are we CC ?
When is it you think we signed Cork ?

Did we not sign Charlie Taylor in the same window ?
So that’s more than £30m spent in that window on 3 players on 3 first eleven regulars.

Plus we signed Bardsley that same window.

Oh and i make it 3 windows ago.

Other than that you are once again spot on !
July 2017. There has been 3 nore windows since. Fact.

Taylor and Bardsley were bought as back up / the future. Its only through injury and bad form they have eventually made it into the squad. 24 appearences (not starts) last season BETWEEN them last season only backs that up.

I appreciate that probably seems like loads compared to Gibson and Vydra

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Re: Crouch

Post by South West Claret. » Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:37 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:It says it all. When trying to change something we just bring on an even bigger version of the striker who was doing nothing anyway.

Shocking that 20 years after we were pursuing him hes the option we are resorting to change things in the premier league.

To put it in perspective its like signing Lansbury in 2035.

5 seasons in this league. 7th last season. And thats the option we have.

Big questions need asking even if we do stay up.

Zero ambition or creativity on and off the field.
Once again..you stupid boy CFC :D

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Re: Crouch

Post by TVC15 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:45 am

So Cork was bought in the same window as Wood then.

Of course Bardsley was bought as back up - but he was bought because Dyche thought he was good enough to play in the first team if needed.
As for Taylor i’m not really sure what you are complaining about ? Do you not think that he was a good signing ?

Throughout his time here Dyche has signed many players and not put them straight in the first eleven irrespective of the fee or who they are.

Nobody is happy with the last couple of transfer windows but let’s not make stuff up about previous windows just because we are in big relegation trouble now. Dyche has has had a lot more good transfer windows than bad.
But eh you keep on moaning about Walters, Wells, Juke, Sordell, the Olympiakos tie, etc etc - as long it makes you feel better.

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Re: Crouch

Post by Lord Beamish » Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:51 am

TVC15 wrote:So Cork was bought in the same window as Wood then.

Of course Bardsley was bought as back up - but he was bought because Dyche thought he was good enough to play in the first team if needed.
As for Taylor i’m not really sure what you are complaining about ? Do you not think that he was a good signing ?

Throughout his time here Dyche has signed many players and not put them straight in the first eleven irrespective of the fee or who they are.

Nobody is happy with the last couple of transfer windows but let’s not make stuff up about previous windows just because we are in big relegation trouble now. Dyche has has had a lot more good transfer windows than bad.
But eh you keep on moaning about Walters, Wells, Juke, Sordell, the Olympiakos tie, etc etc - as long it makes you feel better.
It’s not the last couple, it’s the last three. The one just gone actually saw us weaken our first team and bench by shipping out Vokes and replacing him with Crouch. The one last summer was arguably worse because we seemed to not take the European Campaign into account at all, and outside of Hart, didnt bring anyone in who actually broke into, let alone affected change on the Starting 11. There’s no way of dressing it up; we haven’t had a good TW since the summer before last, and now we’re reaping that harvest.
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Re: Crouch

Post by TVC15 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:03 am

We have done little business in January transfer windows under Dyche - he has said he does not like them. Last January we brought in Lennon on a big wage and for the first eleven. I can’t remember any fans at the time saying that was a poor transfer window - infact most said it was a good one bringing in a player of his pedigree. But we were doing well last season so people’s memories do start to change when we are struggling.
Eg CC forgot we bought Cork and Wood in the summer of 2017...but yet he managed to remember buying Walters and Wells - strange that isn’t it ?!!

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Re: Crouch

Post by BurnleyFC » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:04 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote: To put it in perspective its like signing Lansbury in 2035.
:lol:

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Re: Crouch

Post by Lord Beamish » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:06 am

TVC15 wrote:We have done little business in January transfer windows under Dyche - he has said he does not like them. Last January we brought in Lennon on a big wage and for the first eleven. I can’t remember any fans at the time saying that was a poor transfer window - infact most said it was a good one bringing in a player of his pedigree. But we were doing well last season so people’s memories do start to change when we are struggling.
Eg CC forgot we bought Cork and Wood in the summer of 2017...but yet he managed to remember buying Walters and Wells - strange that isn’t it ?!!
We got Lennon on the cheap, because of his off-field problems. He was a risk, and it hasn’t paid off. Fair enough. Two Januarys ago we bought Brady and Westwood for a combined fee of £20m. That was our last good January TW, and one that improved our first team; unlike the last one.

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Re: Crouch

Post by TVC15 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:23 am

Lord Beamish wrote:We got Lennon on the cheap, because of his off-field problems. He was a risk, and it hasn’t paid off. Fair enough. Two Januarys ago we bought Brady and Westwood for a combined fee of £20m. That was our last good January TW, and one that improved our first team; unlike the last one.
£3m a year salary is not exactly “on the cheap”.
When we bought Lennon that was to improve the first team.
When we bought Brady and Westwood - only one of them was to improve the first team. Westwood was bought as a squad player...and hardly kicked a ball for a good while after.
These windows are being looked at now with hindsight - even now the Brady one isn’t looking too great is it ?

Most people thought last summers transfer window was poor at the time - but even then we bought the championships top scorer on £50k a week and for £11m. That really isn’t that different to buying Chris Wood the summer before is it ?

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Re: Crouch

Post by South West Claret. » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:28 am

Most players are signed because the management team think the signing will add something positive to the squad, that's why we signed Crouch..it's that simple.

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