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Women in Football.

Post by Aclaret » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:18 pm

No it's not a sexist thread. Women pundits and commentators on every footy show now. Will the time come when we get a football manageress in the game ? After all we have chaps managing the ladies.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:22 pm

Aclaret wrote:No it's not a sexist thread. Women pundits and commentators on every footy show now. Will the time come when we get a football manageress in the game ? After all we have chaps managing the ladies.
Well I think Blanche from Corry would make better changes than Dyche. And shes been dead ten years. So perhaps not a bad suggestion.

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Re: Women in Football.

Post by Pimlico_Claret » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:25 pm

Absolutely no problem with this female on the punditry team trend recently , but it just seems to have become a tick box exercise recently, which is unfortunate, should have been a natural progression.
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Post by bfcjg » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:25 pm

No problem for me. As long as they have insight and offer a view that you might not have thought of etc. Can't be worse than Garth Crooks etc.

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Re: Women in Football.

Post by conyoviejo » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:38 pm

There are two in rugby league are are very knowledgeable indeed.. Don't have a problem with them if they know their stuff.. Same goes for those in football.

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Re: Women in Football.

Post by Aclaret » Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:42 pm

But will a club have the balls...hmm, nerve to appoint a woman as a manager, can't see it myself.

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Post by tim_noone » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:58 pm

Robbie savage....

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Post by Foulthrow » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:02 pm

Have they not been told that they must have a woman on the show? Like when they told comedy panel shows that they can no longer be all male?

No problem from me. I’ve never watched the “expert” analysis anyway.

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Re: Women in Football.

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:20 pm

Aclaret wrote:No it's not a sexist thread. Women pundits and commentators on every footy show now. Will the time come when we get a football manageress in the game ? After all we have chaps managing the ladies.
I hope so.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:29 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I hope so.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by theroyaldyche » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:35 pm

Women pundits on a live game. No from me

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Post by dsr » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:47 pm

Aclaret wrote:No it's not a sexist thread. Women pundits and commentators on every footy show now. Will the time come when we get a football manageress in the game ? After all we have chaps managing the ladies.
Hard to do. How many managers have never played League football? How many women have played League football? Until the set of people who have done both exceeds zero, then we are unlikely to get any women managers.

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Post by tim_noone » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:58 pm

theroyaldyche wrote:Women pundits on a live game. No from me
No pundits full stop.

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Post by TheFamilyCat » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:58 pm

dsr wrote:Hard to do. How many managers have never played League football? How many women have played League football? Until the set of people who have done both exceeds zero, then we are unlikely to get any women managers.
Has every current manager played league football? Genuinely don’t know, hence the question. But, for example, Jose Mourinho played less than 100 games for clubs most of us have never heard of. Similarly, Arsene Wenger’s playing career was hardly glittering. I don’t think a playing career is a prerequisite for being a manager.

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Post by dsr » Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:30 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:Has every current manager played league football? Genuinely don’t know, hence the question. But, for example, Jose Mourinho played less than 100 games for clubs most of us have never heard of. Similarly, Arsene Wenger’s playing career was hardly glittering. I don’t think a playing career is a prerequisite for being a manager.
No. John Coleman never did. But he did play a lot of non-league football at a level higher than Accrington were when they appointed him.

I would say a playing career is essential for a manager. Not necessarily a good career, as you say; but I bet Wenger and Mourinho played hundreds of games at men's professional or semi-professional level. But any footballer with a professional career behind him, or her, has a big advantage of having been steeped in how to manage (or how not to manage) in a way that an occasional player never could.

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Post by South West Claret. » Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:58 pm

Aclaret wrote:No it's not a sexist thread. Women pundits and commentators on every footy show now. Will the time come when we get a football manageress in the game ? After all we have chaps managing the ladies.

I don’t see why not if they are good enough, think it’s only a matter of time.

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Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:26 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote::lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I honestly don't know why that's funny, but i'm glad you got a chuckle.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:05 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:Has every current manager played league football? Genuinely don’t know, hence the question. But, for example, Jose Mourinho played less than 100 games for clubs most of us have never heard of. Similarly, Arsene Wenger’s playing career was hardly glittering. I don’t think a playing career is a prerequisite for being a manager.
The manager who beat us yesterday, Breandan Rodgers didnt.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:05 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:I honestly don't know why that's funny, but i'm glad you got a chuckle.
Because its hilarious.
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Re: Women in Football.

Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:13 am

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Because its hilarious.

OK, but why?

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:14 am

Imploding Turtle wrote:OK, but why?
Because it should never happen for a whole host of reasons but so called equality.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:57 am

dsr wrote:Hard to do. How many managers have never played League football? How many women have played League football? Until the set of people who have done both exceeds zero, then we are unlikely to get any women managers.
Andre Villas Boas has never played a professional game in his life.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:02 am

Looking at how poor some male football managers have been, I would have no issue with a woman being given a chance.

However a large chunk of football fans wouldn't have it, as shown on here over the years.
Something about it being a man's game blah blah blah, the absolute dinosaurs.

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Post by TheFamilyCat » Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:03 am

dsr wrote:No. John Coleman never did. But he did play a lot of non-league football at a level higher than Accrington were when they appointed him.

I would say a playing career is essential for a manager. Not necessarily a good career, as you say; but I bet Wenger and Mourinho played hundreds of games at men's professional or semi-professional level. But any footballer with a professional career behind him, or her, has a big advantage of having been steeped in how to manage (or how not to manage) in a way that an occasional player never could.
Women’s football is a professional sport. So female players meet that criteria.
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Post by TheFamilyCat » Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:08 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Looking at how poor some male football managers have been, I would have no issue with a woman being given a chance.

However a large chunk of football fans wouldn't have it, as shown on here over the years.
Something about it being a man's game blah blah blah, the absolute dinosaurs.
I do think that a female manager would struggle to command respect, I’m not saying I think that’s right, but I think it would be the case.

Also, the hire and fire nature of league management would be a very difficult environment for a “trailblazer” to crack. And as soon as a female manager was sacked the club would inevitably face accusations of sexism, however justifiable the sacking may have been.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:10 am

TheFamilyCat wrote:I do think that a female manager would struggle to command respect, I’m not saying I think that’s right, but I think it would be the case.

Also, the hire and fire nature of league management would be a very difficult environment for a “trailblazer” to crack. And as soon as a female manager was sacked the club would inevitably face accusations of sexism, however justifiable the sacking may have been.
The sexism thing would need combating, but we still have the issue on racism in football, so it wouldn't be changed anytime soon.

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Post by Jimmymaccer » Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:19 am

Wouldn’t mind Gabby Logan as manager........!

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Post by TVC15 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:04 am

Emma Hayes would IMHO be more than capable of managing a men’s team.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:24 am

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Andre Villas Boas has never played a professional game in his life.
You can tell
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Post by groove » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:32 am

I'm not reyt keen on female commentators. It just doesn't sound right. Think of all the famous action clips like "they think it's all over" or "it's up for grabs now" etc and it wouldn't be the same with a contrived female voice doing it. If I was a footballer and just scored the goal of my life I would be gutted to watch MOTD and find the commentary was a females voice. The lass on MOTD last night was introduced as having won 9 league titles with Arsenal. It didn't say Arsenal ladies, just Arsenal. It's a desperate attempt to give the women's game credibility. The women's game is watched by crowds in the hundreds, yet the results take precedence over professional lower league games on the news. It's cynical, desperate box ticking and an attempt to get the masses interested because it's the only football terrestrial television can afford to show live. Keep the female pundits and commentators in the women's game.
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Post by CaptainKirk » Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:38 am

Agree with Groove.
However, I could watch Alex Scott (?) all night whatever subject she was talking about!

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Post by CaptainKirk » Sun Mar 17, 2019 11:55 am

On a serious point, Alex Scott knows her stuff and gets her points across very well (as does Gabby Logan) unlike some of the other buffoons they have on there such as Dion Dublin and Paul Ince, but we know why they are on and it is not for their “expert analysis”.

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Post by GodIsADeeJay81 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:19 pm

groove wrote:I'm not reyt keen on female commentators. It just doesn't sound right. Think of all the famous action clips like "they think it's all over" or "it's up for grabs now" etc and it wouldn't be the same with a contrived female voice doing it. If I was a footballer and just scored the goal of my life I would be gutted to watch MOTD and find the commentary was a females voice. The lass on MOTD last night was introduced as having won 9 league titles with Arsenal. It didn't say Arsenal ladies, just Arsenal. It's a desperate attempt to give the women's game credibility. The women's game is watched by crowds in the hundreds, yet the results take precedence over professional lower league games on the news. It's cynical, desperate box ticking and an attempt to get the masses interested because it's the only football terrestrial television can afford to show live. Keep the female pundits and commentators in the women's game.
Next just tell us you don't want women in the man's side of the game because they're women, it's quicker and easier for us to read.

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Post by ClaretMoffitt » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:26 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:I hope so.
why

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Post by Bosscat » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:29 pm

Aclaret wrote:But will a club have the balls...hmm, nerve to appoint a woman as a manager, can't see it myself.
Never say never ... like in most walks of life ... a job should be given to a person on ability ... not because they are male / female / Black / White etc etc etc.

You only have to see dinosaurs like Grumpy Sourness etc to see why its a breath of fresh air like Alex Scott on Football Shows... plus they are more pleasing on the eye as well :roll:

So why not as a manager (or should that be manageress like Charlie in Skiptons WH Smith)
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Post by thatdberight » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:29 pm

bfcjg wrote:Can't be worse than Garth Crooks etc.
Talk about setting the bar low...

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Post by aggi » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:34 pm

dsr wrote:No. John Coleman never did. But he did play a lot of non-league football at a level higher than Accrington were when they appointed him.

I would say a playing career is essential for a manager. Not necessarily a good career, as you say; but I bet Wenger and Mourinho played hundreds of games at men's professional or semi-professional level. But any footballer with a professional career behind him, or her, has a big advantage of having been steeped in how to manage (or how not to manage) in a way that an occasional player never could.
I'm not sure how this relates to men's versus women's football. Are you saying that the experience of semi-pro players like Mourinho and Benitez in low level football is better than female players who are professional and, in some cases, have played in front of 70,000 plus crowds and are being managed by a manager who's played over 500 premier league games?

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Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:49 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:why

Larger pool of managerial talent to choose from, and it would mean we're becoming more equal.

The real question is: why wouldn't someone hope so?
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Post by tim_noone » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:56 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Next just tell us you don't want women in the man's side of the game because they're women, it's quicker and easier for us to read.
I'm just guessing ....but you would be one of the first to moan.

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Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:02 pm

tim_noone wrote:I'm just guessing ....but you would be one of the first to moan.

Pointing out an obvious example of sexism isn't moaning.

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Post by tim_noone » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:07 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Pointing out an obvious example of sexism isn't moaning.
I accept that.... But he's just going around the houses.imo he would moan....as lots would on any Female appointment be it player or management.

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Post by taio » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:10 pm

I prefer men pundits to women. Not because I have anything against woman - I just think men know more about football. My missus happens to agree. If that makes someone think I'm sexist I couldn't give a ****.
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Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:14 pm

tim_noone wrote:I accept that.... But he's just going around the houses.imo he would moan....as lots would on any Female appointment be it player or management.
Oh, right. I think i misunderstood your complaint.
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Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:15 pm

taio wrote:I prefer men pundits to women. Not because I have anything against woman - I just think men know more about football. My missus happens to agree. If that makes someone think I'm sexist I couldn't give a ****.
Right, but they don't know more about football because they're men. What you're really saying is that you prefer pundits who are more knowledgeable than pundits who are less knowledgeable.
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Post by taio » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:16 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Right, but they don't know more about football because they're men. What you're really saying is that you prefer pundits who are more knowledgeable than pundits who are less knowledgeable.
Yes and they happen to be men.
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Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:20 pm

taio wrote:Yes and they happen to be men.
I get that, but you don't prefer men over women. You prefer knowledgeable over unknowledgeable.

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Post by cricketfieldclarets » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:26 pm

tim_noone wrote:I accept that.... But he's just going around the houses.imo he would moan....as lots would on any Female appointment be it player or management.
We are talking about a guy who wouldve had John Venables for England ahead of Terry!

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Post by ClaretMoffitt » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:29 pm

Imploding Turtle wrote:Larger pool of managerial talent to choose from, and it would mean we're becoming more equal.

The real question is: why wouldn't someone hope so?

i'd be okay with this if we made the sport totally gender neutral.

Leagues and all.

Thats true equality.

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Post by Imploding Turtle » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:39 pm

ClaretMoffitt wrote:i'd be okay with this if we made the sport totally gender neutral.

Leagues and all.

Thats true equality.

Funny how you never had that objection to men managing and coaching in the women's game. It's only when we talk about women managing and coaching in the men's game where that objection comes up. Not "haha" funny, mind.

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Post by groove » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:58 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:Next just tell us you don't want women in the man's side of the game because they're women, it's quicker and easier for us to read.
I don't want women in the men's games because they're women. Even though I enjoy watching my daughter play football every week. I wouldn't want her commentating on MOTD though. I just prefer male commentators.

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