Sport.cz - Vydra frustrated at strange excuses from Dyche

[Dark Cloud]

Rodgers said that he had told Morgan to warm up if he saw croych warming up.

Morgan is one of if not the best defender in the league aerially. But one of the most immobile and limited on the deck.

As it happened he was already in the pitch after the red. Yet we saw lumping it to two big men wasnt working so instead of changing the style we went even bigger. To someone even slower than Morgan!!

Incredible.

Absolutely spot on. It might not be the case every day, but Saturday was crying out for someone like Vydra to be given a go early because he offers something different, something they don't like, don't think we're capable of and don't expect. Teams probably spend all week dealing with long high balls in training before they play us because we are so predictable, even with the changes we make during a game.

[Murger]

He's not getting any game time anyway, so he probably feels he has nothing to lose by speaking out. Dyches addiction to playing 2 lumps up top is going to cost us.

[snapcrackleandpop]

[quote="Funkydrummer"]There will be disciplinary issues after this I would think.

For Dyche hopefully.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Only got to the bottom of page 1, already feels like I stumbled into an anti-dyche bitching party think page 2 could be too much with some of the whoppers already involved.

[Lancasterclaret]

Making a point that SD should use Vydra earlier of the bench - fine

Dyches addiction to playing 2 huge lumps up top is going to cost us

Is ignoring reality to the levels not seen anywhere else other than the Brexit thread!

(apologies Murger, sure there are a lot worse on here but I'm trawling through the thread to look for them!)

How long ago was that 8 game unbeaten run? Two weeks? Three?

[cricketfieldclarets]

There seems a striking resemblance in those two pics, you don’t think we have gone and signed the same player twice do you.

Exactly my point

[cricketfieldclarets]

The problem is, looking at the figures by trying to do it cheap weve ended up far from it.

[burnleymik]

In all fairness up until his last 2 appearances every previous one looked like he really couldn’t be arsed.

How did you come to that conclusion? I think it's exactly the opposite. In the times he has played he has been trying too hard to impress and made mistakes as a result.

[CrosspoolClarets]

The one I remember was Huddersfield at home. Akin to taking 2 points and flushing them down the loo.

We had 6 shots in the entire game compared to their 19 - and Vydra came on in injury time. If that didn’t demonstrate the lack of a plan B, I don’t know what does. Nobody is saying he should start every game, but if he had 1,000 minutes now rather than <300, I doubt he would be complaining.

[Burnleyareback2]

How did you come to that conclusion? I think it's exactly the opposite. In the times he has played he has been trying too hard to impress and made mistakes as a result.

My conclusion, made by watching him.

[theroyaldyche]

Fact is he needs to play. Crouch isnt.good enuf. Barnes and wood have no pace

You need pace in the prem. Look at the other teams around us and their forwards

[willsclarets]

Must admit I do find it odd he hasn't had more of a shot. Barnes and Wood had an excellent spell together but after 2 or 3 games where it went stale you'd think he'd keep them on their toes by changing the dynamic up top. Alex Ferguson was a master at keeping 4 strikers happy by promising specific games he thought suited them or being quick to react if someone was off their game. Different of course when you have world class players, but the principle in the same. I rate Dyche massively but he's slow to react if we're clearly struggling. It took him a heck of a long time to realise Hendrick wasn't suited to playing behind the striker too.
Not an anti Dyche post I think the guy has worked miracles, but he has to be more flexible.

[Murger]

Making a point that SD should use Vydra earlier of the bench - fine



Is ignoring reality to the levels not seen anywhere else other than the Brexit thread!

(apologies Murger, sure there are a lot worse on here but I'm trawling through the thread to look for them!)

How long ago was that 8 game unbeaten run? Two weeks? Three?

If you're the manager and lumping up top to 2 big 'uns doesn't work, what would you do?

[ŽižkovClaret]

tears flowing into the Danube now Oz......

Dan, i hope your geography is better than that when planning wildlife trips!

[Lancasterclaret]

Change it earlier, which is what we all agree with.

But to be fair to the bloke, he's right more often than we are.

[Murger]

Be interesting to see how often Dyches subs actually affect the game.

[jojomk1]

If you're the manager and lumping up top to 2 big 'uns doesn't work, what would you do?

Bring on an even taller "big un" and launch it even higher - but not before 80 mins

[cricketfieldclarets]

Must admit I do find it odd he hasn't had more of a shot. Barnes and Wood had an excellent spell together but after 2 or 3 games where it went stale you'd think he'd keep them on their toes by changing the dynamic up top. Alex Ferguson was a master at keeping 4 strikers happy by promising specific games he thought suited them or being quick to react if someone was off their game. Different of course when you have world class players, but the principle in the same. I rate Dyche massively but he's slow to react if we're clearly struggling. It took him a heck of a long time to realise Hendrick wasn't suited to playing behind the striker too.
Not an anti Dyche post I think the guy has worked miracles, but he has to be more flexible.

Exactly what I think

[Top Claret]

I feel sorry for the lad it is not fair to bring him on in the last minute of a game. Last Saturday Barnes made little contribution. Vydra should have been given the last 20 - 30 minutes

[South West Claret.]

I feel sorry for the lad it is not fair to bring him on in the last minute of a game. Last Saturday Barnes made little contribution. Vydra should have been given the last 20 - 30 minutes

Yes I think that’s the point most of us have been making all season.

[jrgbfc]

Only got to the bottom of page 1, already feels like I stumbled into an anti-dyche bitching party think page 2 could be too much with some of the whoppers already involved.

It's called expressing an opinion mate. I forgot that wasn't allowed by the Dyche can do no wrong Gestapo on here.

[claretonthecoast1882]

Expressing an opinion is a bit different from constant whinging. You are allowed to whinge as much as you do, I just choose to skip past it.

[Chester Perry]

It's called expressing an opinion mate. I forgot that wasn't allowed by the Dyche can do no wrong Gestapo on here.

As Bill Bullard said - Opinion is really the lowest form of all knowledge. it requires no accountability, no understanding. The highest form of knowledge is empathy. for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world

[ŽižkovClaret]

As Bill Bullard said - Opinion is really the lowest form of all knowledge. it requires no accountability, no understanding. The highest form of knowledge is empathy. for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world

Thing is, many of us have tried to see things from Dyche's point of view on this, and we are utterly baffled.

[Chester Perry]

Thing is, many of us have tried to see things from Dyche's point of view on this, and we are utterly baffled.

all that says is that we have failed to fully empathasise with him - me included on this one

[ŽižkovClaret]

all that says is that we have failed to fully empathasise with him - me included on this one

It is hard to empathise without knowing more frankly. All we are able to do is question without further knowledge

[Chester Perry]

your right Zizkov but my original point was about opinion, and not seeking to understand

[claretfern]

Wolves game will be: same line up, same tactics, same subs...

[Alanstevensonsgloves]

Must admit I do find it odd he hasn't had more of a shot. Barnes and Wood had an excellent spell together but after 2 or 3 games where it went stale you'd think he'd keep them on their toes by changing the dynamic up top. Alex Ferguson was a master at keeping 4 strikers happy by promising specific games he thought suited them or being quick to react if someone was off their game. Different of course when you have world class players, but the principle in the same. I rate Dyche massively but he's slow to react if we're clearly struggling. It took him a heck of a long time to realise Hendrick wasn't suited to playing behind the striker too.
Not an anti Dyche post I think the guy has worked miracles, but he has to be more flexible.

Very true - how long were we all shouting for Ben Mee to be moved to centre back before it actually happened!?

[South West Claret.]

Some or all of this “void of information” on the subject may be able to be cleared up by a journalist asking SD at a pre or post match conference why he didn’t bring Vydra on sooner, as have I said before in the thread.

[Dark Cloud]

Only got to the bottom of page 1, already feels like I stumbled into an anti-dyche bitching party think page 2 could be too much with some of the whoppers already involved.

No way am I anti Dyche and I'm the first to come out and say he's THE reason we've had 6 brilliant years and I hope he stays another 6 and I hope our success continues. AND a great deal of that success has been built on playing to our strengths and the long ball into the box and winning those physical, aerial duels has been a big part of that. I'm not even ever remotely interested in criticising our "style" of football (as some do). As I said on another thread, I'm never bored or frustrated or fed up with our "hoofball" tactics or any of our tactics if we get a result. I simply skip off to the pub and savour my real ale and I never sit there dreaming of some Utopia where Burnley play brilliant, expansive, tippy tappy football and are amazing to watch, but lose 5-4 every week. Bobbins to all that!! BUT when things aren't working and a game is clearly heading down the pan and when an alternative has been expensively acquired and is sitting right there doing nowt, it would seem daft not to give it a try, rather than doing the same old, same old. That's all.

[vinrogue]

Why did Vokes leave? Lack of game time, lack of starting. Why will Vydra leave? Lack of game time, lack of starting? If you can't keep the squad happy then something is wrong perhaps? Plus, when we go out to buy the next striker to replace Vokes and Crouch and the Agent says will my player be your number one striker as Sheffield United and Norwich are both interested him as their main striker..........and on and on and on and on.....

[claretonthecoast1882]

No way am I anti Dyche and I'm the first to come out and say he's THE reason we've had 6 brilliant years and I hope he stays another 6 and I hope our success continues. AND a great deal of that success has been built on playing to our strengths and the long ball into the box and winning those physical, aerial duels has been a big part of that. I'm not even ever remotely interested in criticising our "style" of football (as some do). As I said on another thread, I'm never bored or frustrated or fed up with our "hoofball" tactics or any of our tactics if we get a result. I simply skip off to the pub and savour my real ale and I never sit there dreaming of some Utopia where Burnley play brilliant, expansive, tippy tappy football and are amazing to watch, but lose 5-4 every week. Bobbins to all that!! BUT when things aren't working and a game is clearly heading down the pan and when an alternative has been expensively acquired and is sitting right there doing nowt, it would seem daft not to give it a try, rather than doing the same old, same old. That's all.

Your post points more to a balanced view than whinging, which is a far more sensible approach than the negative group (some who don't even go on) on here.

[burnleymik]

If you're the manager and lumping up top to 2 big 'uns doesn't work, what would you do?

bring a bigger 'un on?

[claretcarrot93]

It's called expressing an opinion mate. I forgot that wasn't allowed by the Dyche can do no wrong Gestapo on here.

I have never seen Claretonthecoast give an opinion. He just name calls people who's opinion he doesn't like

[claretonthecoast1882]

I have never seen Claretonthecoast give an opinion. He just name calls people who's opinion he doesn't like

Which opinion would you like ?

Should he have more game time - yes
Should Dyche have to come out and explain his decisions - no (you trust the manager)
Would I prefer to have a better season - yes
Do I wish the squad was better - yes
Do I wish we signed a couple more players in January - yes

Can I control any of those by whinging - No

Would you like any other opinions ?

[claretcarrot93]

Which opinion would you like ?

Should he have more game time - yes
Should Dyche have to come out and explain his decisions - no (you trust the manager)
Would I prefer to have a better season - yes
Do I wish the squad was better - yes
Do I wish we signed a couple more players in January - yes

Can I control any of those by whinging - No

Would you like any other opinions ?

Thats much better and I also agree with all of that. See isn't it much better giving an opinion rather than swiping at everyone who bad mouths the club. For what its worth there are a lot of people on here who go OTT with the Burnley hate but its better to just ignore them.

[bobinho]

Absolutely spot on. It might not be the case every day, but Saturday was crying out for someone like Vydra to be given a go early because he offers something different, something they don't like, don't think we're capable of and don't expect. Teams probably spend all week dealing with long high balls in training before they play us because we are so predictable, even with the changes we make during a game.

We make changes?

[Dark Cloud]

We make changes?

Well yes, of sorts, but nothing REALLY changes so they're hard to spot, I totally agree!!

[ŽižkovClaret]

The problem is, looking at the figures by trying to do it cheap weve ended up far from it.

Buy cheap, buy 8 (and counting) eh?

[ŽižkovClaret]

Which opinion would you like ?

Should he have more game time - yes
Should Dyche have to come out and explain his decisions - no (you trust the manager)
Would I prefer to have a better season - yes
Do I wish the squad was better - yes
Do I wish we signed a couple more players in January - yes

Can I control any of those by whinging - No

Would you like any other opinions ?

Honestly, how long does the 2nd stay as "no"? He has an asset the club paid good money for, and he is being under-used

[Dark Cloud]

Wolves game will be: same line up, same tactics, same subs...

Minus Vydra who will no doubt be on the naughty step rather than the bench!

[houseboy]

They've bought two lousy past-it players in Hart and Crouch, total anomalies to the ambition of the fans, one played for political reasons beyond all sense to destroy the first half of the season and then Crouch coming on again for political reasons instead of Vydra.

Something is happening behind the scenes to lean on Burnley in this manner, what else? Vokes to Stoke?????? Vydra not played. I think he's being made a muppet of.

What eactly is it with the Hart knockers? Have people got no memories? He was brought in because BOTH our England goalies were out injured, he was brought in out of necessity. When he played he played well enough at times to gain us points that we wouldn't have now and there is an argument to say that if we hadn't had him we might be worse off than we are now. Maybe he was kept in the side too long after Heaton was fit but then we don't know the reason for that. For goodness sake Hart may be past his best but he's still a good goalie and not the apparent duck egg that some on here seem to think he is. Would you really, honestly have rather had Lindegard or Legzdins in goal? I wouldn't.

It is usual on here I suppose for some to take a dislike to a player and bang on about it ad nauseum (Hendrick? Long? Taylor?) so I suppose this kind of thing shouldn't be a surprise. In Harts case I think too many people didn't like him even before he signed so when he came here they had to get the knives out to be consistent.

[claret_in_exile]

I’ve just realised Vokes is no longer here hahahah

Wait until you hear who we got as his replacement ...

[South West Claret.]

Just had a thought has anyone on here actually emailed SD at the club and asked him directly why he’s reluctant to give Vydra more game time.

[Papabendi]

Did Dyche want Vydra, ultimately?

Or was he a panic buy by Garlick once it was clear we were not going to get Rodriguez? The timing seems telling to me.

[Pstotto]

You watch the goals he's conceded and his 'oh no beaten' jibe as he makes a show of saving them. There's one header, I can't remember the match and he jumps like he's in his aerobic class as ball goes straight through between his hands... Notwithstanding the acrobatic theatre at Fulham, Batman's stooge yah at Pinewood Studios wherever.

[bfcjg]

He needs to buy some stilts.

[Billyblah]

He just has to learn to be patient, look at Vokes, Barnes, Tarkowski and Wood, they signed and then almost became fringe players, then their time comes and they are better for it.

When you're fourth bottom and very close to being relegated, patience needs to give way to the need to give the guy much more than 2 minute cameo appearances. Wood and Barnes seemed to drop their heads against 10 man Leicester. And Crouch? Well he ran around like a headless chicken for his brief spell on the pitch. We're in serious trouble.

[Burnleyareback2]

Interesting that Vydra has been built up to be the next Messi until we went on the unbeaten run.

Now we have lost a few games it appears he is better than we first thought. Ignoring the FA cup game he was on the pitch for.