Adam Johnson Released

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:07 am

I guarantee, unfortunately, he'll be playing pro football again next season

lovebeingaclaret · Post by **lovebeingaclaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:11 am

He doesn't have the right to earn a living?

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:13 am

lovebeingaclaret wrote:He doesn't have the right to earn a living?

Let's face it, he doesn't need to. This isn't a brickie we are talking about. What message does it send to the families in the stand if your club signs him?

I suspect he will sign somewhere like China, Qatar and the like

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:14 am

Everybody makes mistakes,he's done his time give the lad a break.

taio · Post by **taio** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:16 am

ZizkovClaret wrote:Let's face it, he doesn't need to. This isn't a brickie we are talking about. What message does it send to the families in the stand if your club signs him?

I suspect he will sign somewhere like China, Qatar and the like

Suspect he would have difficulty getting visa entry to work in such countries.

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:19 am

taio wrote:Suspect he would have difficulty getting visa entry to work in such countries.

Money talks

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:20 am

Doubt he’ll play in the U.K. Just too much aggro for even a small club , but he’s got a couple of good years left ( he’s a very talented player ) and i imagine hel get ok wages in crap end of Europe somewhere .

His crime ,sexual activity with a minor ( as per evidence he received oral from a 15yr old female fan ) was one of pure and utter idiocy and he new damn well the risks . The old adage rings very true “ what’s the difference between 15 and 16” ? ... “ about 6 years”

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:23 am

A literal convicted pedophile. Done his time but he should just get on with his life now. Whether that means seeking to ply his trade abroad or not, so be it.

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:24 am

AlargeClaret wrote:Doubt he’ll play in the U.K. Just too much aggro for even a small club , but he’s got a couple of good years left ( he’s a very talented player ) and i imagine hel get ok wages in crap end of Europe somewhere .

His crime ,sexual activity with a minor ( as per evidence he received oral from a 15yr old female fan ) was one of pure and utter idiocy and he new damn well the risks . The old adage rings very true “ what’s the difference between 15 and 16” ? ... “ about 6 years”

I had wondered if a club here might try and sign him. Morally it would still be frowned upon, but what he did would not actually have been illegal here and that might affect the thinking.

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:24 am

Wonder if Owen Oyston would have signed him for Blackpool.....

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:25 am

What message do you think it sends? There's a difference between the media outcry that will come with his signing and the purported message it sends vs what it should be; that those who pay their debt to society have the right to rejoin it. He's not going to have an easy time by any stretch, and the nimbyism element to this will mean he'll have to drop quite a few levels before a club, on balance, thinks it's worth the fall out to get the quality in return. Or as you say he ends up in the far East but the publicity might even scupper that.

IndigoLake · Post by **IndigoLake** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:32 am

Hasn't he been in prison for a couple of years? He's 32 this summer so I don't think he'd be playing at the same level regardless of the moral issue of signing him. He's probably out of shape and a bit rusty and may be well past his peak anyway. Agree he may have to go abroad.

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:34 am

Steve1956 wrote:Everybody makes mistakes,he's done his time give the lad a break.

Agree. If you commit a crime you get punished, serve your punishment and move on. He shouldn't be denied the right to earn a living. Who in their lives hasn't made a mistake or even committed a crime and maybe been lucky enough to not get caught? I have known quite a few guys who have been inside and they laugh at this business about prisoners having some kind of 'ethical code' that see's them beating up sex offenders and child abusers when in fact half the guys doing the beating are often guilty of the same things but have never been caught. One guy I knew, a mate who is unfortunately now no longer with us, spent half his adult life in prison and he said that prisoners were the most awful hypocites when it came to sex crime.

Outrage is a funny thing and has to be viewed in the context of your own life. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:38 am

lovebeingaclaret wrote:He doesn't have the right to earn a living?

Of course. But employers also have the right to not employ him. And we have the right to boycott any companies that do.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:43 am

In 2009 there were 1000 live births and 3800 abortions in girls under 16 years of age but I do not recollect a load of prosecutions of the fathers and I doubt there was a single immaculate conception let alone 4800!!!!

thatdberight · Post by **thatdberight** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:57 am

I don't think he got long enough for what he did but, in the absence of being able to make a change to the law, I accept that he's done his time as our society sees fit and has to be allowed to get on with his life now. Depending on what statements he makes acknowledging the facts and magnitude of what he did,if a club, including Burnley, chooses to employ him, so be it. I won't be needing a pitchfork, so IT can have one in each hand.

Im_not_Robbie_Blake · Post by **Im_not_Robbie_Blake** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:05 am

If he now signed for Burnley (and I know that won't happen) I would have to support another team, and I have supported Burnley for almost 50 years.

Steve1956 · Post by **Steve1956** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:18 am

Im_not_Robbie_Blake wrote:If he now signed for Burnley (and I know that won't happen) I would have to support another team, and I have supported Burnley for almost 50 years.

Drastic...and very tragic.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:22 am

Im_not_Robbie_Blake wrote:If he now signed for Burnley (and I know that won't happen) I would have to support another team, and I have supported Burnley for almost 50 years.

Good job you didn't take this stand when we actually did employ someone who had sex with an underage girl quite recently.

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:23 am

NottsClaret wrote:Good job you didn't take this stand when we actually did employ someone who had sex with an underage girl quite recently.

She was 16 wasn’t she?

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:26 am

There's many a footballer who've commited serious crimes, some even involving the DEATH of children.

He served his time now is/was captain for his club.

People quickly forgot about Luke McCormack, I presume Adam Johnson could be similar from a employers point of view, although most definitely not from the fans.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:27 am

NottsClaret wrote:Good job you didn't take this stand when we actually did employ someone who had sex with an underage girl quite recently.

Care to elaborate?

Spijed · Post by **Spijed** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:33 am

And you can guarantee many a rock star has been involved with teenagers/groupies after concerts over the years.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:34 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:She was 16 wasn’t she?

She was 15 but the court accepted his evidence that she said she was 19 and they met in a nightclub. Sounds fair enough to be honest, he got the minimum sentence and was a totally different case to Johnson's to the extent he's allowed to work with juniors now.

Still had to sign the sex offenders register for 12 months though. Can't be too careful!

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:38 am

MACCA wrote:Care to elaborate?

Michael Jolley slept with a girl he met in a night club who was 15, she said she was 19.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:48 am

ClaretAndJew wrote:Michael Jolley slept with a girl he met in a night club who was 15, she said she was 19.

Ahh yes I recall, see people forget, although hardly his fault.
Back 8n my days girls at 14 were going nightclubs and out drinking, I bet it happened quite a lot over a number of years.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:04 pm

at least 4800 times in 2009 to girls under 16 but we do not have data on the age of the providers of the 4800 tadpoles

ClaretAndJew · Post by **ClaretAndJew** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:16 pm

To be fair I lost my virginity at 15 to a 17 year old and I never felt violated.

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:22 pm

mdd2 wrote:In 2009 there were 1000 live births and 3800 abortions in girls under 16 years of age but I do not recollect a load of prosecutions of the fathers and I doubt there was a single immaculate conception let alone 4800!!!!

There's 1000s of Burglaries around here every year with about 3 prosecutions.

It doesn't make it right!!!!!!

Claretforever · Post by **Claretforever** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:29 pm

More for information than anything else, and I know the term sticks regardless as he’s a convicted sex offender, but he’s not officially a paedophile due to her age.

I didn’t know the difference until someone mentioned it on a Twitter I think it was a few months ago, which got me curious to check it out as the “paedo” terms gets thrown about quite loosely.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:41 pm

forget his employment opportunities, his bigger issue will be his relationship with his daughter, how he manages that (or how she manages it) and how authorities allow him to be with her.... (alone?)

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:45 pm

His wife thinks he will be fine apparently

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:48 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:To be fair I lost my virginity at 15 to a 17 year old and I never felt violated.

Then other lad did though.

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:48 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:To be fair I lost my virginity at 15 to a 17 year old and I never felt violated.

did he wear protection...? lube...?

apologies, the statement kind of asked for that primarily because of the unconscious bias that people have that those who are predatory against children in a sexual manner are men. You're right to highlight, whether you intended to or not, that women (and girls for that matter) are also capable of being predatory.

Alanstevensonsgloves · Post by **Alanstevensonsgloves** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:55 pm

mdd2 wrote:In 2009 there were 1000 live births and 3800 abortions in girls under 16 years of age but I do not recollect a load of prosecutions of the fathers and I doubt there was a single immaculate conception let alone 4800!!!!

I blame Brexit!

Oh hang on a minute......

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:57 pm

Quickenthetempo wrote:There's 1000s of Burglaries around here every year with about 3 prosecutions.

It doesn't make it right!!!!!!

And it doesn't but the hue and cry over this guy IMO beggars belief.
He had made a mistake done his time and should be allowed to rejoin society with appropriate safeguards if he is deemed a threat.

Alanstevensonsgloves · Post by **Alanstevensonsgloves** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:57 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:To be fair I lost my virginity at 15 to a 17 year old and I never felt violated.

He must have been gentle with you

Or should that be 'Gentile' !!!

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:02 pm

very sad that Johnson is back going from box to box before Defour is fit

houseboy · Post by **houseboy** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:06 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:To be fair I lost my virginity at 15 to a 17 year old and I never felt violated.

I was 15 and the 'older woman' was 18. She was a Claret though - we met in the old clock end at Old Trafford during a league cup tie. As in your case I felt far from violated and it was one of the best moments of my life when it happened (even though I was probably sh!t at it). I think you are old enough when it feels 'right'. Nature doesn't have age limits. Consent ages are arbitary I suppose as they differ in different countries and are simply down to convention and local morals. I believe it's 15 in Poland but is it 18 in some states in America? Whose to know what is right?

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:09 pm

ClaretAndJew wrote:Michael Jolley slept with a girl he met in a night club who was 15, she said she was 19.

She didn't reveal her age until he refused to give in to demands for money from her and her mates if I recall it rightly.

Doesn't make what he did right, but if an underage girl is in an over 18's nightclub at 2am in the morning...

TheFamilyCat · Post by **TheFamilyCat** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:11 pm

Steve1956 wrote:Everybody makes mistakes,he's done his time give the lad a break.

He groomed her. It was planned and predatory. I wouldn’t call that a mistake.

Imploding Turtle · Post by **Imploding Turtle** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:18 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:He groomed her. It was planned and predatory. I wouldn’t call that a mistake.

Yeah but, you know. It's different this time. Don't ask why, OK? It just is.

Spike · Post by **Spike** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:19 pm

They could turn it into a musical. The Predator and someone who slaps

Blackrod · Post by **Blackrod** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:20 pm

Jailed for 6 years in 2016. It’s only just 2019. Hasn’t done his time at all. What kind of message does this send out to other sexual predators ?

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:52 pm

Eventually pleaded guilty and one assumes did three years without any problems, so standard 50% remission in jail although he will remain under licence and can be recalled at anytime if he violates his parole conditions

claret_in_exile · Post by **claret_in_exile** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 2:32 pm

Blackrod wrote:Jailed for 6 years in 2016. It’s only just 2019. Hasn’t done his time at all. What kind of message does this send out to other sexual predators ?

Not condoning what he did *at all*, but isn't this standard for good behaviour while inside?

AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:06 pm

TheFamilyCat wrote:He groomed her. It was planned and predatory. I wouldn’t call that a mistake.

Very true , this was no mistake he knew the score and basically took what was on offer , the pure stupidity of it beggars belief , couldn’t he just have found a 16yr old fan ?

ŽižkovClaret · Post by **ŽižkovClaret** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:32 pm

I do wonder the way this thread might have gone in the same circumstances, but for Aftab the Taxi Driver.....

cricketfieldclarets · Post by **cricketfieldclarets** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:39 pm

Do people deserve second chances? Yes.

Does a paedophile who will be on the sex register for life deserve the opportunity to play professional football alongside other young players and in front of children in the crowd...? Does he ****!!!

Rick_Muller · Post by **Rick_Muller** » Fri Mar 22, 2019 4:48 pm

cricketfieldclarets wrote:Do people deserve second chances? Yes.

Does a paedophile who will be on the sex register for life deserve the opportunity to play professional football alongside other young players and in front of children in the crowd...? Does he ****!!!

Technically speaking he's not a Paedophile (as highlighted above), he's an Ephebophile