Adam Johnson Released

[nil_desperandum]

If he now signed for Burnley (and I know that won't happen) I would have to support another team, and I have supported Burnley for almost 50 years.

Did you turn your back on the club when - mistakenly IMO - they signed violent abusive wife-beater Paul Gascoigne?
If not I think you're being over-dramatic.

[tarkys_ears]

A lot of people seem to be sticking up for (and seemingly quite happy to receive) a convicted paedophile.

[Imploding Turtle]

Technically speaking he's not a Paedophile (as highlighted above), he's an Ephebophile

And he's a groomer. But, you know, one of the ones who can be forgiven.

[Billy Balfour]

He doesn't have the right to earn a living?

Not one where he comes into contact kids and teenagers under the age of consent. So for me, this kind of puts him out of football in any capacity.

Also, for what's it's worth. I wouldn't employ someone who has to sign on the sex offender register for the rest of their life.

[Rick_Muller]

And he's a groomer. But, you know, one of the ones who can be forgiven.

I dont think I've ever said he should be forgiven, just ensuring the correct technical term is used.

[Imploding Turtle]

I dont think I've ever said he should be forgiven, just ensuring the correct technical term is used.

I wasn't having a go at you. I was just making a snark remark about the lack of hate he's receiving when usually we hate child groomers on here. Something different, but i can't figure it out.

[thatdberight]

I do wonder the way this thread might have gone in the same circumstances, but for Aftab the Taxi Driver.....

There's a difference between taxi drivers and footballers. I can't see that Aftab or Adam would make any difference; for that you'll need to talk to somebody who has a more simplistic view where it's always about white people being racist or Islamophobic. I'm sure there's somebody round here fitting that bill.

[Devils_Advocate]

YouTube gold

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23GJZidRTjg

[thatdberight]

Did you turn your back on the club when - mistakenly IMO - they signed violent abusive wife-beater Paul Gascoigne?
If not I think you're being over-dramatic.

To be fair, people can have a cut-off point. George Oghani, Andy Payton and others weren't without legal problems but there must be a scale where you say, "Too much" but can accept other transgressions. I don't know how to judge wife-beating against Johnson's crimes.

[thatdberight]

A lot of people seem to be sticking up for (and seemingly quite happy to receive) a convicted paedophile.

Accepting the punishment prescribed by law as it currently stands, even if you disagree with it, isn't the same as sticking up for the perpetrator. Just in case you're confused by the two concepts.

[CoolClaret]

There's 3 types of nonces imo,
Grade 1 - 14-15 year olds
Grade 2 - 10-13 year olds
Grade 3 - 9 and under

He's not the worst type of nonce but he's still a nonce

[Imploding Turtle]

There's 3 types of nonces imo,
Grade 1 - 14-15 year olds
Grade 2 - 10-13 year olds
Grade 3 - 9 and under

He's not the worst type of nonce but he's still a nonce

Just some light child rape then, eh?

[Imploding Turtle]

Accepting the punishment prescribed by law as it currently stands, even if you disagree with it, isn't the same as sticking up for the perpetrator. Just in case you're confused by the two concepts.

It's a shame you don't have that attitude when it comes to people like me saying that accused people deserve trials instead of accusing me of sticking up for the accused.

You probably don't see the similarity though.

[thatdberight]

It's a shame you don't have that attitude when it comes to people like me saying that accused people deserve trials instead of accusing me of sticking up for the accused.

You probably don't see the similarity though.

I'm not sure I did say that but I'm you spend the rare moments you're not posting cataloguing and cross-indexing everyone else's posts so maybe I did.

[thatdberight]

Just some light child rape then, eh?

You mean like the Sexual Offences Act (2003) which distinguishes offences carried out against children under 13? That kind of nuance which passes you by when you fancy?

[CoolClaret]

Just some light child rape then, eh?

Not quite, but there's a clear difference between grooming a 15 y/o and a 7 y/o, well at least in my opinion.

He's still a nonce, he thought he could risk it and that he'd get away with it - nonce

[Imploding Turtle]

Not quite, but there's a clear difference between grooming a 15 y/o and a 7 y/o, well at least in my opinion.

He's still a nonce, he thought he could risk it and that he'd get away with it - nonce

I'm aware. I was just making a "light treason" reference, but with rape.

[Steve1956]

He groomed her. It was planned and predatory. I wouldn’t call that a mistake.

Just because it was as you say,its still a mistake,a big one granted,have you never done something you regretted,I know I have

[Damo]

I honestly cant tell if some of you are Chris Morris level trolls or actually serious.
Either way this thread is really amusing

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Just because it was as you say,its still a mistake,a big one granted,have you never done something you regretted,I know I have

Erm.....

I can categorically state I've never groomed an underage person for sex.
Something tells me it's a bad idea..

[Steve1956]

Erm.....

I can categorically state I've never groomed an underage person for sex.
Something tells me it's a bad idea..

No need for that Sid you know what I meant.

[Imploding Turtle]

I honestly cant tell if some of you are Chris Morris level trolls or actually serious.
Either way this thread is really amusing

Chris Morris isn't a troll.

[AlargeClaret]

Imploding Turtle wrote:
And he's a groomer. But, you know, one of the ones who can be forgiven.

So comparing this to systematic endemic child grooming and rape by Asian gangs ofpossibly 1000’s of men leading to prostituting untold numbers of young girls across the country to be passed around until unconscious is the same as some thick as mince footballer getting a bj off an equally dopey 15yr old ? AJ was was dealt with by the law rightly sent to prison . Much like your sainted grooming gangs .

[Damo]

Chris Morris isn't a troll.

Hes the greatest troll of all time

[cricketfieldclarets]

There's 3 types of nonces imo,
Grade 1 - 14-15 year olds
Grade 2 - 10-13 year olds
Grade 3 - 9 and under

He's not the worst type of nonce but he's still a nonce

Wow.

[Imploding Turtle]

Imploding Turtle wrote:
And he's a groomer. But, you know, one of the ones who can be forgiven.

So comparing this to systematic endemic child grooming and rape by Asian gangs ofpossibly 1000’s of men leading to prostituting untold numbers of young girls across the country to be passed around until unconscious is the same as some thick as mince footballer getting a bj off an equally dopey 15yr old ? AJ was was dealt with by the law rightly sent to prison . Much like your sainted grooming gangs .

"Much like your sainted grooming gangs"

See what I mean?

[Millertime v1.7]

Hoping Aberdeen can swoop in with a deal for him (as long as his fitness is up to scratch). Get him on a free transfer from Monster Mansion and then sell on to china for a profit.

[CoolClaret]

Wow.

You not think? I mean all are absolutely disgraceful but there is differences.

My post was also a little bit facetious

[tim_noone]

Hoping Aberdeen can swoop in with a deal for him (as long as his fitness is up to scratch). Get him on a free transfer from Monster Mansion and then sell on to china for a profit.

Judging by Scotland's Result yesterday he'll be most certainly up to scratch....a good fit for Aberdeen

[Rowls]

Adam Johnson released - just goes to show doesn't it?

Even if you've got all the ability to to a professional footballer one day you can have a roof over your head, a bed to sleep in and you're getting served food every day and the next thing you know that's all taken away.

Makes you think.

[Danieljwaterhouse]

I never thought I’d find myself debating moderation for a convicted sex offender and it’s sparked some fiery debate in our house this week.

I don’t think AJ should be being vilified as much as he currently is. I certainly believe he should be allowed to return to football, but the main thing that sticking in my throat is that he has to see his daughter in the company of a social worker. That’s going to ruin his relationship with an innocent child and be a stick to beat him with for years to come.

I don’t see how he’s been proven to be a risk to her? He did something wrong, we all think that, but she was 15, she consented, she engaged with the ‘banter’ and she likely was bragging about it and loving her 15minutes. This is right in the cusp of law, and I’m sure AJ is one of thousands of situations like this that happen most Saturday nights in the UK.

[TheFamilyCat]

Just because it was as you say,its still a mistake,a big one granted,have you never done something you regretted,I know I have

I have done things I regret but none of them were serious criminal activity and i’m pretty sure most, of not all, were rash decisions and not something I put a lot of thought and planning into.

Had he met her once, in a nightclub and drunkenly neglected to check her age, or she lied to about it - yes, i’d class that as a mistake.

But grooming her over a period of time, knowing her to be 15? Sorry, I wouldn’t describe that as a “mistake”.

[TheFamilyCat]

I never thought I’d find myself debating moderation for a convicted sex offender and it’s sparked some fiery debate in our house this week.

I don’t think AJ should be being vilified as much as he currently is. I certainly believe he should be allowed to return to football, but the main thing that sticking in my throat is that he has to see his daughter in the company of a social worker. That’s going to ruin his relationship with an innocent child and be a stick to beat him with for years to come.

I don’t see how he’s been proven to be a risk to her? He did something wrong, we all think that, but she was 15, she consented, she engaged with the ‘banter’ and she likely was bragging about it and loving her 15minutes. This is right in the cusp of law, and I’m sure AJ is one of thousands of situations like this that happen most Saturday nights in the UK.

That’s tough **** i’m afraid. Social workers are applying rules, the same that would apply to anyone else. Do the crime, do the time, face the consequences.

[gtclaret]

Everybody makes mistakes,he's done his time give the lad a break.

Absolute crap, and very dangerous crap as well. Not talking specifically about this case, but in general. Rape is not a mistake like a car accident. The victims of rape and violence never recover, the families also suffer. My friend had his daughter murdered by her ex boyfriend. 10 years later he still suffering, whilst the perpetrator is now free, and"has done his time". The thug that threw acid in that models face is now free, but she isn't, not for the rest of her life. Yet he walks away to continue his life as if nothing has happened because "we all make mistakes, give the lad a break"

[FactualFrank]

I read on social media murmurs of him suing the newspapers for incorrectly calling him a paedophile, which as mentioned earlier in the thread, he isn't.

[Steve1956]

Absolute crap, and very dangerous crap as well. Not talking specifically about this case, but in general. Rape is not a mistake like a car accident. The victims of rape and violence never recover, the families also suffer. My friend had his daughter murdered by her ex boyfriend. 10 years later he still suffering, whilst the perpetrator is now free, and"has done his time". The thug that threw acid in that models face is now free, but she isn't, not for the rest of her life. Yet he walks away to continue his life as if nothing has happened because "we all make mistakes, give the lad a break"

Ok,I respect your point of view,pity you didn't respect mine and just ranted at me.

[Steve1956]

I have done things I regret but none of them were serious criminal activity and i’m pretty sure most, of not all, were rash decisions and not something I put a lot of thought and planning into.

Had he met her once, in a nightclub and drunkenly neglected to check her age, or she lied to about it - yes, i’d class that as a mistake.

But grooming her over a period of time, knowing her to be 15? Sorry, I wouldn’t describe that as a “mistake”.

We all have flaws in our character, it's a massive mistake,but a mistake all the same.

[ŽižkovClaret]

There's 3 types of nonces imo,
Grade 1 - 14-15 year olds
Grade 2 - 10-13 year olds
Grade 3 - 9 and under

He's not the worst type of nonce but he's still a nonce

CoolClaret earlier.....

[Im_not_Robbie_Blake]

That's a nice photo of Barbra. What does it have to do with anything else mentioned here? She doesn't look under age for one thing.

[ŽižkovClaret]

That's a nice photo of Barbra. What does it have to do with anything else mentioned here? She doesn't look under age for one thing.

Which brings us, in roundabout fashion, to Jackson’s fellow musical celebrity, Barbra Streisand, who absolutely believes Robson and Safechuck. But also, really: Was being sexually assaulted by a world-famous musician really so damaging to their lives?

That’s the extremely rough takeaway from an interview Streisand gave to The Times this week, wherein she responded to questions about Neverland with a truly baffling mixture of sympathy and “Bygones be bygones, huh?” cheerfulness. Let’s jump right to the worst bit, shall we?

“You can say ‘molested,’” Streisand started, ominously, “But those children, as you heard them say [the grown-up Robson and Safechuk], they were thrilled to be there. They both married and they both have children, so it didn’t kill them.”

Indeed, it did not kill them, and, indeed, they did, as young children, derive some excitement and material benefits from the extremely rich, extremely famous person lavishing them with attention, praise, and gifts as part of a long-term process to (allegedly) sexually assault them. That, presumably is why Jackson lavished said gifts and attention, although on the subject of his motivations, Streisand also has some thoughts: “His sexual needs were his sexual needs, coming from whatever childhood he has or whatever DNA he has.”

In the interview, Streisand—who only knew Jackson in passing—is fairly forgiving of his accused intention of using his status and power to take sexual advantage of Robson and Safechuck (who were children), stating that “It’s a combination of feelings. I feel bad for the children. I feel bad for him. I blame, I guess, the parents, who would allow their children to sleep with him.”

[Im_not_Robbie_Blake]

Oh, I had had no idea she had been in the news! Perhaps a few words of explanation rather than a photo of someone with no comment might be more useful, Mr Zizkof. Some of us don't keep up with the gossipy news so need help.

[AlargeClaret]

I was thinking Scotland could be an serious option ( semi wild and lawless) but I’d genuinely think his personal safety could be at risk .

[Rumbletonk]

[quote="CoolClaret"]There's 3 types of nonces imo,
Grade 1 - 14-15 year olds
Grade 2 - 10-13 year olds
Grade 3 - 9 and under

He's not the worst type of nonce but he's still a nonce[/quote

I know you think they are all sick but that grading system is bat **** mental

[CoolClaret]

I don't actually say about folk 'is a grade 1 nonce', that was the facetious part; looking back probably a bit illtasted.

I'm just saying there's a difference between nonces that get sexual gratification off prepubescent minors to pubescent minors, quite a large difference imo - as stated above the law differentiates between them as well.

[ClaretMoffitt]

Imploding Turtle wrote:
And he's a groomer. But, you know, one of the ones who can be forgiven.

So comparing this to systematic endemic child grooming and rape by Asian gangs ofpossibly 1000’s of men leading to prostituting untold numbers of young girls across the country to be passed around until unconscious is the same as some thick as mince footballer getting a bj off an equally dopey 15yr old ? AJ was was dealt with by the law rightly sent to prison . Much like your sainted grooming gangs .

They literally threatened to set their families houses on fire if they told the police or tried to escape but no its exactly the same.

[Imploding Turtle]

They literally threatened to set their families houses on fire if they told the police or tried to escape but no its exactly the same.

No no. You're not doing it right. What you have to do is imply that i like it when grooming gangs do it. And lets face it, you want to do that anyway.

git gud!

[Swizzlestick]

Claretmoffitt must have an alarm that goes off whenever there’s an opportunity to have a go at Muslims.

[andyh]

I lived in Denmark many years ago. A guy in the same office around 30 was talking about his girlfriend. They obviously were having a sexual relationship. I asked her age. She was 15. The age of consent is different in Denmark apparently. My face probably said it all. But it does show some of these things CAN be seen differently. But just how stupid is AJ throwing it all away for the difference a few months can make.

[Imploding Turtle]

Claretmoffitt must have an alarm that goes off whenever there’s an opportunity to have a go at Muslims.

It's just his alarm clock every morning.

[LeadBelly]

The age of consent is different in Denmark apparently.

Yes we are above the norm;
it's as low as 14 in Portugal, Germany, Italy, Austria and a fair few countries to the east of that
it's 15 in France, Poland, Denmark, Sweden, Iceland
Ireland has 17
16 here + Spain, Nederlands, Belgium, Swityz, Norway.

A bit arbitrary really but generally the law is known in each country.